War Starting Soon?? Breaking news

[whitetop]

CNN is reporting that UN is in the process of evacuating all inspection personal as I type. Fleisher cancelled all press breifings today and Bush's Health car plan speech and Bush has unexpected message to the nation tonight at 8:00.
Is this the 72 hour deadline?

[budnate]

Dang, Buckle up Boys.

[MotownMadman]

We gotta have faith guys... I have been watching the events on this unfold rather closely the last 90 days, I was worried for awhile if this might be the right course of action. I came to the conclusion that it must be the right thing to do. Considering the opposition to this war world wide it would seem this to be political suicide for Bush, Powell, Rumsfeldt, and everybody else in the administration. We all know a politician's first duty is towards their career, it would seem hard to believe that we have a group of politician's all ending their career at once. The only way they will get re-elected after something the world opposes such as this is if they are absolutly correct in their way of thinking, which I now believe they are.... They know more than they are telling us! I am quite sure they have gathered intellegence, probably in an illegal manner, which shows them without a doubt of the weapons this madman has, all that could change world opinion on this issue and once again make the politicians popular would be if they become the heros by finding the weapons of mass destuction ready to use, the old "save the day" routine. I can not imagine all of the respected politicians involved taking a chance at cutting their own throat on a "possible" find of threatning weapons. Like them or not, agree with them or not, that is our American right, but we need to have faith in them for hopefully doing the right thing. Aint no question we will kick Iraq's A$$ anyway, it has been long overdue. Just my opinion guys, we all have the right to one, because of things just like this. Our ongoing fight for freedom! Motown
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[Jeff H]

It's necessary and the hidden weapons will be found. We need to stand behind our troops regardless of what our feelings are on this issue. This world doesn't need another Hitler and I'll leave it at that.

[MotownMadman]

Amen!

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[JBB]

This has to be done everyone. I don't like war, as the stories from my father (WWII), and my brother in law (Viet nam) make my skin crawl. If anyone thinks we DON'T have to go, explain that to the family members of people on the planes, and in the Pentagon, and the World trade center. You see France didn't lose the Eiffel tower or The Louve Museum, Germany didn't lose the Brandenburg gate or some similar monument, but Britain sure remembers the London Blitz in the 1940-42 era. If we don't clean house now, they will attack again, and I am sure they will be much more effective in killing Americans. I can belive the wimps out there who don't want to support our President, do they know the organizers of the "peace rally's" have Marxist connections? Do they know the French have a contract with Iraq through Total Elf for oil? This is about protecting our future......Mr. President, do what you have to...... /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/flag.gif

[jus4funn68]

Guys, I have not got a problem backing the president and the troops,BUT, this country should not be the agressor in this matter. We have always condemed other countries for being the agessors and now we are doing exactly what we tried to stop in WWII (my dad was there too),and in Korea, and in Vietnam. When almost the whole world is against what you are doing, something is wrong here. Maybe the government knows more that we do in the public, if so, make a case. Im sorry but right now a case has not been made. If we were attacking BinLaden it would be different, but we are not. Ask yourself... are we REALLY in the right?? Kevin

[YENKO DEUCE REGISTRY]

Where does BinLaden get his money?

[whitetop]

New 21,000lb Daisy Cutter bomb. Hugger orange with black stripes non the less. daisy cutter (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/858266/posts)

[JBB]

I don't see how we are the aggressor's, we didn't attack ourselves on Sept 11th 2001. They started something....we have to finish it. I wish General George S. Patton was involved in this, it would already be over........ /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif

[MotownMadman]

It is a basic concept across the world...you dont follow the rules...you suffer the consequences. The UN has provided ample opportunity in the last 12 years for this idiot to follow the rules and disarm. He has not done so. If you play, you pay. To stand in defiance of the entire world would be considered the act of an insane person, considering the amount of time he has had to comply I dont believe we are the agressor in this situation, I would think more like the term enforcer would apply. I dont think anyone would believe this guy would not aid and assist terrorist groups who targeted America, it is probable he already has.
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[55chevy]

Kevin, In my opinion we are definitly in the Right /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/flag.gif This is not just a war against Bin Laden, this is a war against Terrorists and any person or persons supporting them, be it one person or an entire country! We were not the first agressors in this war, but we WILL be the last. These stupid terrorist bastards thought it would be fun for their cause to poke the sleeping monster with a stick that one Sept 11th. Well now the Monster is wide awake, very pissed off and it is coming to get them! And it will not rest until it does! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif This is not a political game, this is Justice.. For THOUSANDS OF DEAD AMERICANS WHO DIED NEEDLESSLY! suddam hussain, bin lauden and all of their followers can all Burn In Hell! (I won't even capitalize their names in my sentence!). I fully support ridding our planet of these so called "human beings" who's only life goal is to hurt, cause suffering and kill those who don't follow them, their beliefs and their ignorant Alah!

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Ed

[rich p]

The man talks alot of garbage. And people believe him!!
Why did he go into Kuwait and try to destroy that Country or take over that Country? Why don't they look at what he did to the Kurds ??
Where were the protestors when he did this?
Tell me of another country that tried to pull this off in today's world. If we didn't step in, he would now own Kuwait.
Where was the world when he went into Kuwait and killed, raped and stole everything(money,gold,peoples belongings etc..) Where was the world when this scum was doing this? God bless America that we stepped in and didn't allow another country to do such a horrifying thing.
They should be embarassed to be standing behind today's newest Hitler.Given the right bomb he will use it.
Why are they not protesting him to step down instead of screaming agaist us like we are the enemy.Shame on them and the countries that follow.
We help so many coutries and we are still hated like we are taking over there countries when we are there to give them their country back to the people.
I could go on for days on this topic !!!

[whitetop]

I cannot for the life of me understand the Hollywood left in this country. If a Taliban style gov't ever took control in this country(Yes I know it's doubtful but I'm trying to make a point) all the folks in the Hollywood film industry would be one of the first ones hung with piano wire from a crane in a football stadium. For you people that do not know in Afganiston during Taliban control if they found you with a T.V you were hung in the Kabul soccer stadium. They did this every Saturday. Same thing with any video tapes and most kinds of music. Right after the liberation people went to their backyards and dug up the TV's. But yet the HL said we should not have gone over there and should mind our own business.

The Hollywood crowd is the worst of the worst infidels in the minds of the Islamic Fundalmentalist. You would think the HL would be screaming from the rooftops to stop the Islamic Fundalmentalist and their terrorist minnions. But no. Shows the mentality of these people.

BTW The list of actors I will allow myself to watch is getting less and less every week. Hope conservative Mel Gibson is around for along time.

[Eli]

Folks-
My company designs and builds combat system equipment for use by the U.S. Navy. All of us here understand that the end item user of our equipment is, ultimately, someones son, daughter, husband, wife, etc. If war does break out please remember who you are turning your back on if you do not provide 100% support.

By the way, did you hear why there are so many trees in France?

Because the Germans liked to march in the shade! <font color="blue"> </font> <font color="blue"> </font>

[whitetop]

Jus4funn68 (Kevin)

Here is why we need to take out Saddam. If Saddam could make a nuke he would sell it to a terrorist to use it against one of our cities.

I read a report done by a think tank of what would happen to the US economically if a nuke went off in downtown NY on Wall Street. Chilling.

The majority of all large banks and financial institutions are based in NYC. Yes they keep backup records in other areas of the US but the heads of thse companies and the best of the best minds are based in NYC.

Our country would suffer an economic collapse that would make the depression look like Christmas. The economic uncertantity alone would cause most people to stop buying anything other than food and heat immediately. The economy would start rolling down a hill like a snowball.
The report said that the gov. would shut down the banks asap to stop a run on the banks. Pension plans would be frozen for at least 1 year if not dissolved due to insolvency. Would you continue funding your pension plan and how? Most countries would pull their investments out of our economy due to uncertaintity. If you could not pull money out of a bank(or did not have a job) could you buy car parts, pool, garden tractor, new TV, carpeting? There would be massive unemployment within 1 month. Your only concern would be getting food and heat so any business that does not deal in these commodoties would be hurting big time.
Many countries in the world are near bankruptcy. Don't think it could not happen to the US. We have record trade deficets and huge deficit compounding the problem.

The report said it would take 4-6 years for the country to recover. Most people would be starting from scratch as their pensions plans would be gone.

[budnate]

All valid points Guys, One other thing, He was supposed to disarm from the first go over there and basically thumbed his knose at who ever tried to talk with him about it, So the talking has been going on for along time before 9/11 and the latest talks, It was On CNN quite awhile back talking about it,

[Belair62]

I have no pity on these extremist fools like hussein and his pals...but it seems much of the world is against this action. If we have proof whether legal, or illegal we should put it on the table for all to see...if we do have this information we should wait until about an hour after we start destroying his regime before we publish it and at the same time..stop writing checks to all of our wonderful allies like France and Germany.Better yet...why not just give Israel a call and tell them to go remove hussein and bin laden and just call us when they are done....

[MotownMadman]

Bel Air, One more post and you will have 1000, and officially "No Life"! Geez, 1000 posts, Noah was only 947 when he built the Ark! LOL!
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[Belair62]

Best part about it is not 1 of my 1000 posts actually were worth a damn....it's been fun but I am no longer going to post because Marlin has bad breath and so does Stefano and Clill

[Stefano]

Next time ask before you try to kiss me /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif

[Belair62]

get some Scope will you. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/3gears.gif

[MotownMadman]

Bel Air, One of the board members here (you know who you are!) has referred to members of this site as "elitists" and "schoolyard bullies", so which catagory do you fall into Bel Air? If I had to guess I would say......
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[Belair62]

....none of the above ?????

[55chevy]

Let us remember..... /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/flag.gif

Now Lets go get 'em! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif

[NCGuy68]

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Where does BinLaden get his money?

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His deceased father owned the largest construction co. in Saudi. The Saudi royal family commissioned them to build much of 'modern' Riyadh (the capital) including the most holy Islamic shrine, Mecca.

It was reported that upon the father's death, each of his sons (I believe 12 in number) received the equivalent of $300 million US dollars from the estate.

In a nut shell, this Sicko is spreading world-wide terrorism using inherited US petro dollars.

Go figure........In any case, support our troops if it comes down to war.

[whitetop]

He also gets his money from Saudi Arabia. Osama hates the Saudi royal family as much as the US. It's been reported that the Saudi gov't gave Osama money not to target Saudi Arabia with terrorist acts. Also Muslim groups that are sympathetic with his beliefs funnel him money, many are right here in the US.

[toner]

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif The french and germans are worried that once we get in there we'll find MADE IN FRANCE or MADE IN GERMANY on items that were banned for import by the sanctions. We should not be aggressors, but it is time we showed the world who the baddest boys on the block are /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/flag.gif. North korea should take note and learn from the coming lesson /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/scholar.gif about to be shown to saddam.

toner

[Tommy]

Wonder if that new Hugger Orange/Black stripe Daisy Cutter is A COPO???
Tommy

[MotownMadman]

Tommy, Actually, I think it is a ZL-1, meaning Z Last 1 he is ever gonna see!
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[jus4funn68]

I guess my point was this.. BinLaden didnt get his money from Saddam... he had it already. Without the backing of the UN.. we are the agressors.I love my country but we are not following the rules either this time.

[Jeff H]

Not true, we are still following up on the resolutions from back in 90/91. He never disarmed like he was instructed to.

[jus4funn68]

That is true Jeff, but... the UN has not endorsed the US to enforce the sanctions. Until they do, we are in the wrong too. Although we are the only true superpower left in the world, that does not make us the worldwide police. I think Saddam needs to be dealt with, I just dont want to turn the world against our country because we cant wait for backing from our allies. When in history have we attacked anyone without being attacked first? We cant hold Saddam accountable for BinLaden... think about it.

[MotownMadman]

The UN has turned into a shallow entity that will not enforce it's own resolutions, if they were enforcing, or doing their job so to speak, we would not be a position to enforce 1441 on our own. What good is a international group of policy or rule makers who will not back up what they say? Saddam is making a mockery out of the whole UN process and has been for twelve years. If Iraq was in compliance from the begining there never would have been a 1441 resolution, that resolution came in the wake of previous non-compliance by Iraq from previous disarm resolutions. Saddam is very effective in what he is doing, creating the illusion of the belief that more time is the answer, all while his sole purpose is to sit back and divide the world politically and morally, which up until this point has been very effective. Someone has to take the inititive to stop this madman once and for all and put an end to the manipulation he has been using on the world and the UN. We are not the aggresor in this situation, it is Saddam's choice of war or no war, if he was doing what has been mandated by the UN we would not be in the position to have to use force to achieve what the UN has been mandating for 12 years. If you break the law in this country you would not consider the police as aggressor's when they come to arrest you for the crime you have commited. Saddam has broken international UN law repeatedly, by making him face the consequences to his actions is not an act of aggression, it is an act of common sense to protect all freedom loving nations in the world. If this man is allowed to go unchecked for any futher length of time all it will do is make him more secure in the fact that he does not have to follow the rules and that he can manipulate the entire world and the UN with his actions. We all have to follow are own and international laws, why should he not, especially considering the gravity of the consequences for the free world should he choose to use the weapons or more likely provide them to a terrorist organization so he doesnt have to get his hands dirty? There is a long history in this country of our ancestors fighting for the freedom we all enjoy, why should we stand aside and let this tyrant threaten us and the rest of the free world? We should not, and we will not, I am thankful that we have a government that has the guts to go against world opinion and rid the world of this idiot, when it is all said and done the rest of the world, including the people of Iraq, will be thankful to the US for taking out the trash. The most effective world leaders throughout history have been the ones who did not have popular opinion on their side when they were making tough choices to lead. I salute our military and troops for being out there making the world a safer place for us all to live.
Thanks,
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[DarrenX33]

Right on Matt! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/flag.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[jus4funn68]

You make a very compelling argument Motown... /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/worship.gif Lets all hope and pray that all this makes the world a better place when it is over. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/flag.gif Kevin

[JBB]

It will make the world a safer place. Who gives a [censored] what Hollywood says? The are a bunch of cartoon characters, they make there money playing fake people on a silver screen, big accomplishment. That alone means they have no say in what our Govt should do, yet they have a right to thier opinion............... /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif

[MotownMadman]

Does anybody besides me find it odd that after 9/11 we have had no idea of the whereabouts of Bin Laden, his second in command who was just arrested, Bin ladens sons who were purportedly arrested today, none of these people could be found let alone arrested, now we have some and it appears we have Bin Laden found and cornered. Is it odd that his loyal true to heart second in command terrorist who suddenly gets arrested co-operates so easily to give up Bin Ladens whereabouts? I find all this timing suspicous. Bin Laden made it clear he would go out a martyr against the US, the problem with that is he would not be around to watch the shock waves of his actions. What better way to be a Martyr then to get himself and his ranking command arrested and transported to the "Belly Of The Eagle", which would no doubt infuriate his terrorist organization combined with the Infidels invading Muslim territory and attacking a Muslim country, these combined actions would drive his organization over the edge to commit pre-planned terrorist attacks against our country with no regard for their own safety. What an interesting way to become a Martyr, at the same time causing his troops to rally together against the US, and allowing Bin Laden and his upper command to stand by in US custody and observe the fruits of his Martyr actions. It all seems to convenient that all it once they are being found and arrested at the same time as the beginning of the war. Considering the financial resources and the entire middle east willing to network hiding them all, it seems unreal we would have all that luck within a two week period. How would our military and the American popualtion act as a whole if our leader was to be arrested by a middle eastern faction and carried away to their country? That is how his terrorist group will feel over the arrest of him and his military leaders. Conspiracy theory? Maybe. Something these people could pull off with their state of mind towards the US and their military tactics? Certainly. Keep aware of your surroundings in the coming weeks and months.
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[55chevy]

A good thought Matt, But I could have sworn I heard the President say in his speach last night that when bin laden is found the will not be taken alive. Correct me if I'm wrong. (the kids were being quite noisy during the Pres's speach)

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[MotownMadman]

He stated he thought Bin Laden would not be taken alive from what they know of him, so if he is taken alive that may be a good indicator that this concept is not far off the mark. Either way dead or alive it will have the same effect on his crew, it would be like someone from another country assasinating our President.
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[Belair62]

I don't think they are going to come here or Guantanamo to be interrogated...a secret location is what they said I think....I would think a 480volt cattle prod on his nuts will make him sing like a bird.

[L78Impala]

Now Belair...you know that the UN does not allow that. http://www.ls1.com/forums/images/smilies/damnit.gif

[Belair62]

Doubt they will be there to watch !!!! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif

[JBB]

Sept 11th, again, has changed everything. After that quite stunning and viscious attack, we now have the right to go anywhere, anytime, to investigate or the resident Goverments can form an anti terrorist wing globally implemented, but yet at certain levels highly inconspicuous spelled out to entertain the talents and skill of the best each country of the world has to offer, known only unto themselves, with a strict code of secrecy, Honoring world peace. In order to maintain a level of equal reaction, each country, each state is represented by it population of itself, say per 10,000 people, 2 Special World Terrorist Agents? ........................................joel