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Zedder
03-26-2003, 04:28 PM
Recently saw an ad in an old Ontario magazine advertising the Yenko Stormer at a Hamilton, Ontario Chev dealer and wondered if any of these cars have ever been located? Anyone know how many were made?

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YENKO DEUCE REGISTRY
03-26-2003, 04:41 PM
I heard 12, maybe have been in the context of 'a dozen or so' or 'no more than a dozen', so I don't think anyone knows for sure. I have an ad for one as well. I think Ed Cunneen may have mentioned one was found, but not sure.

hvychev
03-26-2003, 06:02 PM
I never heard of these cars. What was the deal with them?

Jeff H
03-26-2003, 07:49 PM
I thought there was 1 in the old USCC magazine one time. I'll have to go through them and see if I can find it. I thought it was blue.

DarrenX33
03-27-2003, 01:25 PM
Frank- From what I have read and never seen. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif

Stormer = SCCA tuned 302 Z/28. Believe Yenko did them from 67 to 69.

JoeC
03-27-2003, 02:56 PM
What is the date on the Stormer ad?

I have a theory about Yenko Stormer but just a theory. The Yenko Stinger was built to satisfy the SCCA rules which required 100 units built and approved as a two seat sports car. In the eyes of SCCA it was not a Corvair but was a Stinger manufactured by Yenko Sports Cars Inc. You needed a Stinger ID tag to race SCCA D Production class. Now here is my theory. In 1966 Yenko planed to build a car called the Stormer based on the Camaro to meet the 100 minimum to make it legal for SCCA. This later became unnecessary because SCCA came out with a new set of rules for Trans Am which required 1000 minimum. Chevy did the Z/28 to meet the rules. Only 602 Z/28s built but SCCA allowed them to race anyway. Yenko built some race prepared Z/28s but the Stormer program didn't progress because you did not need a special built Camaro to race in Trans Am class. Just a theory.

Stefano
03-27-2003, 10:07 PM
The Stormer(Price) was advertised on the Span Inc. Brochure along with the 427 Conversion Camaro and the Yenko Stinger.

It was a very expensive car, almost $1,000.00 more than the 427 Camaro if I remember correctly ,which IMO would point to a full race prep. set up.

Zedder
03-28-2003, 02:13 AM
Thanks for the replies guys. JoeC, I agree with your thoughts on the Stormer based on the description of the car given in the Span ads. For the price, I'm sure most people would have opted for the 427 cars for street use. I think I recall that Yenko got at least 3 '67 Z-28s, but I doubt that they would have recieved a dozen, and even if they did, it is doubtful that these all would have become SCCA cars. I have heard rumors of another '67 Z in my home town that has been tucked away for 20 plus years and it definitely is not one of the 14 Canadian cars. The Stormer ad that I saw says, "Come see the Yenko Stormer" at the local Chev dealer. This leads me to believe that they actually brought at least one Stormer into Canada. The search continues... /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif

1967Z28
03-30-2003, 05:09 AM
Mark,

The Stormer was a "turn-key" SCCA race car. The number I have heard is that three were done for '67. I have no idea whether that is factual or not but I'm sure that number is a lot closer to reality than twelve. Mo Carter had one of the very earliest '67 Z28s and he got his through City Chevrolet in Hamilton, Ontario. Maybe his car had some prep done by Yenko. He did not ever run an official Trans Am race with it but ran in the A/Sedan class on both sides of the border. I have attached an ad for the Stormer dated mid-February 1967. The price was $5900 for a ready-to-run race car.

-Jon

1967 Z28 street car
1967 Z28 Trans Am race car
1967 Z28 Registry

KLONECO
03-30-2003, 05:40 AM
Heat treated front spindles?????? /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif yea ok

Zedder
03-30-2003, 04:08 PM
Hi Jon,

Thanks for the response. You could be right about Carter's car as the local ad is from his dealership. Thanks for attaching the ad - that pretty much covers the package doesn't it! Have any of the Yenko Z-28s been located?

Take care,

1967Z28
03-30-2003, 08:17 PM
Mark,

The 1967 Z28 Registry is into the 180's and no Yenko Z28s accounted for so far, unfortunately.

-Jon

1967 Z28 street car
1967 Z28 Trans Am race car
1967 Z28 Registry

Belair62
03-30-2003, 10:02 PM
KLONECO DO THE HEAT TREATED SPINDLES SURPRISE YOU ?

Zedder
03-31-2003, 12:10 AM
Thanks Jon /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

JoeC
03-31-2003, 10:56 AM
Jon that is a nice Stomer ad.
I like the second from last item listed
"Yenko crash tested roll bar"
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KLONECO
03-31-2003, 01:57 PM
Belair, Yes I never heard of that before. Is that a big block option or something? power / drum spindles yea, never heard of a spindle snapping, breaking either. It just seemed like an odd thing to put in the ad.

YENKO DEUCE REGISTRY
03-31-2003, 02:07 PM
I've seen spindles break, not a pretty sight. If that happens, just hang on till the ride stops - not much you can do. I've also had a tie rod break, not fun!

Ed Cunneen
04-01-2003, 01:31 PM
I have vins on three '67 Yenko Z/28 Camaros. Two were sold as race cars.

YENKO DEUCE REGISTRY
04-01-2003, 06:38 PM
Ed;
Were they Stormer Z28's or non-modified Z28's?

whitez
04-01-2003, 08:40 PM
Mark, I have several ads from both City Chev Olds Ltd., and Maurice Carter Chev Olds Ltd. advertising the Camaro Stormers and none make reference to Yenko. Just curious as I had been involved with " Mo " over the years prior to his sudden death and the Yenko Stormer Camaro had never been mentioned. Don. 1969 Z-28 "Mo" Carter Trans-Am Camaro

1967Z28
04-01-2003, 11:08 PM
Don,

I wonder if you can help me with some info on Mo Carter. I have a picture of him outside his '67 Z28 (car #88) and on the back of his driver's uniform it says City Chevrolet. I assumed he was sponsored by City Chevrolet but if he had his own dealership, that would seem a little odd. Can you shed any light on the subject? I have info that shows City Chevrolet got a '67 Z28 in January '67, I don't have anything that shows Maurice Carter Chevrolet got one. Any help is appreciated as I am trying to write a book and be as accurate as possible.

Thanks,
-Jon

1967 Z28 street car
1967 Z28 Trans Am race car
1967 Z28 Registry

whitez
04-02-2003, 01:53 AM
Jon,

City Chev Olds Ltd., 98 Main Street E., Hamilton, Ont was purchased by Mo Carter in the early 60's and this is where the 1967 Seq.#24, Pre Prod. Z-28 Camaro was delivered.He then built a new dealership ,Maurice Carter Chevrolet Oldsmobile, Ltd 155 Cannon St. East, Hamilton, Ont., advertised as Canada's Largest in late 1968. This later became just Carter Chev Olds Ltd and today is once again City Chev Olds Ltd., under new ownership.I trust that clears up the Corporate confusion.
With reference to your second question, from all records that I have "Mo" ran #8 on all of his cars from 1966 up to and including May 16,17 1970 with the exception the 1968 Camaro which occasionally had to use #80, ie. Mt. Tremblant in August of 69. As for picture???? The 1967 cars ran under City Chev Super Sports Ctr., City Chev Olds Super Sports & Compact Centre, Hamilton, Ont., and City Chevrolet Oldsmobile Ltd., from all records I have. Trust this is of some help.

Don.

1969 Z-28, "Mo" Carter Trans-Am Camaro

Zedder
04-02-2003, 02:10 AM
Hi Don,

I'll try and find that ad for the Yenko Stormer and scan it. Be patient as we have everything packed away in the basement right now while we do some pre-move renovations /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif Do you have any idea what happened to Mo's '67 Z?

Thanks,

1967Z28
04-02-2003, 04:01 AM
Don,

I was confused by the way it was worded that maybe City Chevrolet and Maurice Carter Chevrolet existed at the same time. I am clear now that that was not the case. Thanks for clearing that up. I have an entry list for the '67 Watkins Glen sedan race (see attached) for your records. The car ran that race as #88. I also saw that Carter's '68 ran at the '69 Daytona 24hr as car #18. Lots of times, at the big endurance races at Daytona and Sebring there were a lot of entries and you weren't always able to run your usual number.

-Jon

JChlupsa
04-02-2003, 04:34 AM
ad

JChlupsa
04-02-2003, 04:35 AM
1 more

JChlupsa
04-02-2003, 04:35 AM
again

Jeff H
04-02-2003, 02:24 PM
I was under the impression the Stormer was a non Z28(327 car) turned into a race prepped car. These ads make it look like the Stormer was based on the Z28 option though. Now I'm more confused. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif

1967Z28
04-02-2003, 04:29 PM
I'm not sure what led you to believe the Stormer was based on a 327 car but that was an incorrect assumption. It was a race-prepped Camaro based on the Z28. If you wanted to road race your Camaro, you had to have a car which fell into the A-Sedan catagory or you raced it in the Trans-Am series. Both had a 5-liter (305 cu. in.) limit so you needed to campaign a car with that size of an engine. The Yenko Stormer was an attempt by Don Yenko to fill a perceived need for a "turn-key" Camaro road racer for those who did not want to prepare their own car.

-Jon

1967 Z28 street car
1967 Z28 Trans Am race car
1967 Z28 Registry

Jeff H
04-02-2003, 04:42 PM
Because there was no such thing as the Z28 early in the production year and I thought he offered the Stormer before the Z28 came out. All they had to do was destroke the 327 to get the 302. Does anyone have dates on these ads?

1967Z28
04-02-2003, 06:20 PM
The Camaro did not road race in 1966. It was not eligible until the new racing season started after the new year in 1967. I'm not 100% sure but I think that was the case with most racing organizations, including NHRA. By the time the new racing season started, the Z28 was in (limited) production. The Stormer ads that you saw were posted by me on www.1967z28.com (http://www.1967z28.com) and they were from publications dated in 1967. The Stormer was based on the Z28 and did not debut until the Z28 was made available. The Z28 was a car built to fit road racing rules and requirements. There were some non-Z28s that did get raced in '67 but they did so with 302 engines. Two cars come to mind. The Dick Guldstrand and Tom Lynch cars, both from the Dana Chevrolet race shop. SS350 bodies were used because the Z28 was not immediately available in California and work needed to get started for them to make the Sebring race that first year.

-Jon

1967 Z28 street car
1967 Z28 Trans Am race car
1967 Z28 Registry

will
04-02-2003, 07:07 PM
in ref to 67 yenko z's there was a 67 camaro from yenko at the world of wheels in balt this was part of a maryland camaro club his car was a small block car as Iremember wondering about how it was yenko and a s/b maybe it was a z the car was light blue I took pic's of the car and sign I'll see if I can find them tonite.

whitez
04-03-2003, 02:21 AM
Jon,
Thanks for the update,however, I did know about Daytona, Sebring and Michigan in 68 but totally missed the 1967 Glen Race. I had most of the Glen Lineups including the June 25 race .As you know my old Gary Morgan Trans-Am Camaro ran most of the Club Races at the Glen so I had the info but just did not pick up the "Mo" Carter entry. Thanks again,
Don

whitez
04-03-2003, 02:31 AM
Hi Mark,

Sounds like all must have gone well with your Architect,we have a lot to catch up on. Answer "YES".

Don

Zedder
04-03-2003, 02:41 AM
Hi Don,

We've hit a bit of a snag with the architect...we can't fit a 5 car garage on the land! So, we are doing some reno's on the current house to make it last another couple of years and are selling the land in Dundas. We're looking for a larger lot- perhaps in Carlisle. All of my books etc. are stored in Rubber-maid bins (my wife is obsessed with those things) to make room for the construction. I'll look for you at Mapleview etc. to catch up. Take care,

whitez
04-03-2003, 05:51 PM
Mark,

Good luck with the reno.

Don.

copo9566aa
11-07-2003, 05:46 AM
Overall Results
Maurice (Mo) Carter Camaro Stormer...
Spring Trophy Mosport June 3.