COPO On E-Bay

[Camaroinaz]

Newly listed. Car seems familiar?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2412393051&category=61 61
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[PATRICKJOINER]

Check out who the seller is!!!!

[SuperNovaSS]

Burnished brown COPO + Dennis Tuttle= double trouble! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/no.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbsdown.gif

[1969L78Nova]

Read the Vehicle Description...It's TENKO car! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/haha.gif

[Jeff H]

Where do some people come up with their facts and numbers? His description is a complete fabrication. Is this car known as a restamped engine?

[Norm reynolds]

He we go again this car has been around It was discussed on this site a few times
I have it in my clone data base If I remember right Reggie had it for a year and sold it as a clone I think he got burned on that one
http://pic7.picturetrail.com/VOL208/993878/1849316/23913689.jpg

[SuperNovaSS]

This is the saem car that had the tags pulled off a car in a wrecking yard right? /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif

[Norm reynolds]

You Got it /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/scholar.gif

[T Billigen]

Here we go again!!!! Here is the vin tag info:
ST 69 12437 NOR 155017 BDY
TR 711 61 F PNT
11A X44 D80
Found in a junk yard in West Virginia by Rick Dyer, I wonder where he found the engine and trans at?

[CWilliams]

Whatever happened to the million dollar cuda he had on ebay a few months ago?

[Z28DZ]

The ad certainly didn't enhance his reputation in a positive way, but it does reinforce the negative notoriety he currently enjoys from car hobbyists. The information is certainly available for him to at least make the information in the ad viable and correct. Why not tell it like it is? /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif

[Winmon]

Wonder if Wagner's knew of the cars history? Guess they gave up trying to sell it. So has the engine/tranny been restamped then?

[yountto]

ED,At least he takes paypal..pay with your credit card,get 2% cash back and 90 day fraud protection all in one shot[might need a super duper platinum card though],might even get some free airline miles...Im just jealous because it took my #1 Documented Ls6 Convertible 8 days on ebay to get where the copo is in 5 hours...who said you need a buildsheet?

[T Billigen]

When found in the junk yard it did not have a motor or tranny! Would a real COPO have this late of a build date? I could have bought this car 7or8 years ago from a fellow in Ohio but did not like the cars background or the brown vinyl roof that is supposed to be on it!I think the fellow wanted around 40K.

[bkhpah]

The car might be BS, but it is nicer looking than the ultra BS Yenko Series II cars...BKH

[Belair62]

LOL...good one Brian.... /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[T Billigen]

I agree with you Brian, it sure looks good but looks are sometimes only skin deep!

[MWCLASSIC]

I WAS ASKED AND OFFERED BIG MONEY TO REP THIS CAR AS REAL ABOUT A YEAR AGO. MY RESPONSE WAS NOT ON YOUR LIFE. THEN I TURNED AND RAN TO THE NEAREST EXIT.HOW DOES A CAR LIKE THIS CONTINUE TO BE PURCHASED AS REAL? /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif

[Norm reynolds]

52.000.00 high bid ?? it seem this car keeps coming up for sale every year and hooks in another sucker /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif

[yountto]

It was 80,000.00 reserve met a few hours ago...

[Z28DZ]

Chuck - maybe I could negotiate a trip to Disneyworld as part of the deal /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif . Brian - the more I see how this stuff is going the luckier I feel to have what I have and to know folks that will guide me in the right direction (and kick me in the butt when I need it /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif). I hope Jim M. can accomplish the research he is involved with now.

[budnate]

Not anymore, Bid retraction By????. Hemi De-javu /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/haha.gif

[Camaroinaz]

He gives the person who retracted their bid a hard time about not being able to use the phone when in the ad he says e-mail is okay. I tried the e-mail to see what documentation he had /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif and this is the automated response I received:
"Hello ----

I am currently travelling and will not have internet access (although I will have regular updates on the auction from someone that does). Please call 918.271.4692 and I'll answer any questions that you have.

Thanks for your interest and good luck!"

Maybe he's delivering the Hemi via a slow boat to China? /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif

[mc25t190]

the most tainted car and seller in musclecar history. its story is so long i won't even go near a burnished brown car, of course unless i reallllllllly know the seller well! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/no.gif well with tuttle i'm sure it has a build sheet or he will give you your $ back guarantee.

[Supergas990]

Just wondering if the car is really listed in the registry as the ad states?

It would seem strange to me that it is based on the posts I've read about the car /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif

Blair

[will]

if reggie sold it as a clone then someone since then is a fraud. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif

[Chevy454]

Which registry? /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif

[budnate]

For someone that is not near a Computer he sure responded right away to the Bid Retraction!. To Funny.

Bud.

[Bill Pritchard]

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For someone that is not near a Computer he sure responded right away to the Bid Retraction!

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Excellent point, Bud /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/haha.gif

[Jeff H]

And he's so professional the way he handles things. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

[robber6910]

Okay now who's playing with Dennis' head? Comment posted on Ebay ad:

On Apr-22-03 at 19:08:26 PDT, seller added the following information:
You guys just have to keep playing you childish games .You can't contact seller if your not intelligent enough to use a phone of which orange 396 obviously can't.



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[Charley Lillard]

Think about it. He is Committing Fraud by selling the Fake COPO. Any Emails from People telling him its a Fake could potentially be used against him and I'm sure he will be very Happy to tell you all kinds of lies over the Phone that he probably wouldn't want a Record of if it was done by Email. Someday he is gonna Rip Off the Wrong Guy and we won't have to worry about him anymore. This is the same fake COPO that they had posted color copies of My timeslips out of My Silver COPO as if they belonged to the Fake. The Trim tag says Vinyl top but there are no signs of the orig 1/4's ever having a Vinyl top. He will probably end up trading it for the Orange 3000 mile L89 Convert.

[Mr70]

This is a good example of why a seller would choose the private bidders option.No one can contact the bidders to inform them,and Charley hit the nail on the head.The seller won't answer any emails because they can be saved as evidence if you will.On the other hand The verbal phone comunications normally can't for the most part.
Good observation on the email response to budnate.
This guy is to much..... /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbsdown.gif

[robber6910]

Phone conversations can always be recorded. Gotta check out the local spy shop and see what they have in stock /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif

[Tommy_Mathison]

so what exactly is the story behind this car? anyone care to share? /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[Tommy_Mathison]

an idea, someone start a new auction with somthing in the title that relates to this car being a clone so that when bidders search for it, they see, and will realize the car is a clone as you say it is. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif

[T Billigen]

It is back to 80K again! I wonder if the bidding is on the up&up? /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif

[T Billigen]

I got an e-mail from a fellow named Dennis? He does'nt sound very happy! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/haha.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/haha.gif

[Norm reynolds]

Its a shame that itís a private auction if its on the up & up some poor Joe is about to get screwed and watch it be back for sale six months later
Charlie was right as rain some day Dennis will screw the wrong person
And that will be the end of it http://www.yenko.net/attachments/39128-greenchainsaw.gif but this clown car WILL change hands many more times
Heck it might set a record as the car with most owners

[T Billigen]

This fellow wants me to prove that is a fake. I am not the one selling it! All he has to do is get the COPO certifcation and he could shut everyones mouth including mine! I'm sure Ed would be glad to verify it for him, the small price that he charges is nothing compared to value of a real COPO! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif

[Norm reynolds]

It is known that Reggie Jackson had this car and it was check out and he sold it at b/j as a clone you dont have to prove anything
This car speaks for its self

[T Billigen]

Amen!!!!!!!!!!!! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/worship.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/worship.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/worship.gif

[yountto]

Werent there 1015 COPO Camaros produced by GM in 1969 of which 201 [20%] were Yenkos??

[x44d80]

Over 200k now. approx 22 bids. I remember a really nice dark green Canadian COPO with full doc's having trouble at 65k a year or so ago. What's wrong with this picture?

[Z28DZ]

Here is some info on COPO production provided by JoeC at this link dated Aug. 2000:

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=UBB10&Number=280&Forum=All _Forums&Words=COPO%20engine%20production&Match=Ent ire%20Phrase&Searchpage=0&Limit=25&Old=allposts&Ma in=238&Search=true#Post280

Also, in this link I believe this same brown COPO is nominally discussed.

JoeC - Another interesting topic on the COPO cars is the production numbers. Some people use the number total of 1338 COPO Camaros and COPO Chevelles built (derived from the number of engines produced) to estimate the number of cars built. The engines were built on a forecast of car production and I believe it is too easy to over estimate car production using engine production since it can be up to 100% inaccurate. There were situations where engines were assembled and stamped with a code for a car that was never built. If you use engine production to estimate that particular cars production number you would be 100% off. Another example is the 1969 ZL1 Corvette where over 70 engines were built and 2 cars were sold to the public.
According to Chevy documentation there were 700 COPO cars œin process” on July 7, 1969 including ZL1Ãs, Yenkos, COPO Camaros and COPO Chevelles. It is not clear what Chevy means by œin process”. What would be the trim tag date on a car that was œin process” in July? I guess the trim tag would get an Aug. or later date. If you take the 700 COPOÃs and subtract the 69 ZL1Ãs, 198 Yenko Camaros, and 99 Yenko Chevelles you get 700-69-198-99=334 remaining COPO Camaros and Chevelles built as of July Œ69. If you take the engine numbers estimate and do the same math you get 1338-69-198-99=972. That would be 972 engines left after July Ã69. ThatÃs a big difference.
(I subtracted the ZL1Ãs even though they were not included in the 1338 engines total)
If Chevy said there were 700 COPO cars œin process” on July 7, 1969 then they would have to have built 638 more COPO Camaros and Chevelles between Aug. and Nov. (972“334=638) to match the COPO engine production. I know the 1969 Camaros ran late into Nov.Ã69 but I have not heard of many COPO cars with a trim tag date of Aug. or later so I find it difficult to believe they could have made 638 COPO cars after JulyÃ69. How many 1969 COPO or Yenko cars have been documented with a trim tag date of Aug. or later?

[Norm reynolds]

Yes whatís is wrong with this picture four days to go and the high bid is 200.100.00
It has to be one of three things #1 Dennis is biding against him self #2 someone is yanking his chain or #3 some one is either dummy or has more money that he knows what to do with This is totally NUTS We have one fellow building Yenko series II
Camaros and we have another knuckle head selling fake cars and they are making good money at it I just donít get it
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[Jeff H]

I sure hope it's someone yanking his chain. If it's a real bid, then I guess we'll all be selling stuff real soon! Maybe it's one of those Nigerian nationals that wants to buy the car. He'll send Dennis a cashier's check for more than the auction amount and he can just return the difference with the car. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

[Norm reynolds]

Now that would be justice served

[Bill Pritchard]

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Maybe it's one of those Nigerian nationals that wants to buy the car.

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Yes, and then it will end up as an official Miss World Pageant vehicle, transporting contestants around /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/haha.gif

[Norm reynolds]

Now I know that the bidding is a joke 25 bids NOW at 325.100.00 what gives /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/bs.gif

[YenkoYS100]

Typical of eBay & private auctions.

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to look at the economy and know what is really going on. How many people are really buying very many things besides gasoline & food right now ? How much real estate is being sold right now ? The auto manufactures are coming up with lifetime warranties and 0 %, no payments till you have mo money, and are still having slow sales.

Yea, I believe that auction.

[Charley Lillard]

My guess is that a Good Samaritan is protecting any potential Victims by making sure nobody else is High Bidder. We owe somebody a Beer.

[Ed Cunneen]

The last COPO or Yenko Chevelle I have in my registry is 07D in the 412000 series.
The last COPO Camaro I have is in the 693000 series, which is close to the end of production. I believe the last Yenko Camaro is 09A. I show just a handful of late built COPO Camaros.

[Chevy454]

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My guess is that a Good Samaritan is protecting any potential Victims by making sure nobody else is High Bidder. We owe somebody a Beer.

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I hope you're right...and if such person ever steps forward, I'd be more than happy to "lend" them a couple of cold ones. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif And, if they do happen to win the auction, but don't end up taking the car, then wouldn't they get to leave some "feedback" stating whatever they wanted to say, for all the world to see? Interesting...

[Bob Jenkins]

look at the current bid!

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2412393051&category=61 61


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[Z28DZ]

Well, it looks like the frenzy is over (dead) and check out all the hits on the counter.

Thanks for the info Ed C.

[55chevy]

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Now I know that the bidding is a joke 25 bids NOW at 325.100.00 what gives /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/bs.gif

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Ok here's a point no one has brought up. Bidding closed at $325,100. Even if the bidding was a joke, Ebay will still try to take their cut of that high closing bid. It would be funny to see what actually happened with this auction and how it's being handled. I'm sure when this car does change hands it won't be for that high of a dollar figure and it'll happen behind the scenes. I have a feeling we haven't seen the last of this brown *copo*. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/bs.gif

Ed

[Charley Lillard]

I think Ebay now just has a flat Fee of less than 100.00 to sell a Car.

[SS454]

Yep 40.00 thats all. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/flag.gif

[Jeff H]

$40 to list it and $40 more if it sells.

[KLONECO]

There should be a flat fee period!!! It takes no more effort to do paper work for a $1.00 item than a $1,000,000.00 item!!! I believe he is just sitting back laughing his a$$ off! You know it"s B.S.!!! Unless there is some hidden gold bullion in the frame somewhere? It is too bad for the hobby period...that this type of shananigans must take place!!!!! It really hurts everybody! ( from the little enthusiasts...to the big ones!) It just plain takes the fun out of the whole hobby!!!! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbsdown.gif

[yountto]

Everyone that is having a good time trying to derail the auction by bidding crazy amounts is only doing one thing...making the potential buyer who purchases the car OFFLINE pay alot more than he should or would have,as the seller can use the large bid amounts as leverage[same result as if the seller was to bid it up himself] .....makes sense that if you think a car is fake the last thing you should do is BID on it..As stated on the Ebay auction page, a bid is a LEGAL binding contract. If the seller ended the auction early at 325k the high bidder would be LEGALLY bound to buy the car possibly be sued for non performance[this is a fact]...Regardless of who the seller is and what anyone thinks of him,playing any type of games on ebay is not a recommended solution to any problem.....

[Norm reynolds]

Yountto you are on to something here Just found this on ebay
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2412780508
go down a little and it states that non paying winning bidders will have depost charged to credit card on file with ebay /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif

[yountto]

I have said for 3 years now that ebay should charge no pay bidders a fee from a credit card and make buyers register with a credit card just like the sellers always have..Hope thats the route ebay is finally taking .The $$ amount would warrant what legal action outside of ebay the seller would take,no sense in sueing for non payment on a 40.00 crankshaft.But for 325K i believe id call Robert Shapiro...The irony is that the buyer may end up getting sued on this car,not the seller..

[budnate]

NON PAYING WINNING BIDDERS WILL HAVE DEPOSIT CHARGED TO CREDIT CARD ON FILE WITH E-BAY.

New one on me, is this a Bluff???

I am with Chuck these goofballs that bid should have a card on file and be fined or charged for the item, I have been stiffed plenty on small stuff but it is a hassle to get e-bay to credit back the auction, to be Honest I have eaten every non paying auction, they never get back to me, I wanted to call Motown and hookup with his relative the last time,

Bud.

[Winmon]

Seems to me that if Dennis did try suing the winning bidder for non performance that the winning bidder might have the upper hand in the fact that the car is not what Dennis advertised it as being. If it is a fake car, then is'nt he is basically commiting fraud by claiming it is a COPO? Would that not be grounds for terminating the contract?

[KLONECO]

NO ..ITS CALLED TRUST!!!! every auction is either license or deposit!! $1000.00 whatever... "SAME AS A SIMPLE CARD GAME....KEEPS THE HONEST PEOPLE HONEST" fair hand shakes... seem to be obsolete these days /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif why some abuse it? never done it... never lived it ! be tried and true you can not lose!!! simple .................."DON'T PLAY WHAT YOU CAN'T PAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! then EBAY and every other aspect in life will be ok (IMO) if I am wrong....speek to me!!!! , not the organizer of this good and meaningful site /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif

[KLONECO]

I Guess a closed mouth gathers no foot?....... /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif

[Winmon]

TRUST? What about the $50,000 -$85,000 worth of trust that the guy/guys had who were placing the bids (if they were legit bidders) on this car ?!? I am assuming that they were placing those high bids based upon the information (false info) that was given in the description. Now, I DEFIANTLY agree that placing a bid on an item without the intention of paying for it is obviously wrong. Or even just plain flaking out and changing your mind. But it is JUST as wrong to sell an item giving knownly false information. I do have to say that if I was the serious high bidder on this car and got out bid by someone who was playing games, I would sure as hell be glad it happened once I found out that the car is not a COPO, but just a nicely restored plain jane car.

[robber6910]

Ebay is providing a service and should have some checks and balances in place when an item goes over a certain amount. It kills me when the seller is bidding on their own auction just to push the price up. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbsdown.gif

[Camaroinaz]

Well, it looks like Dennis got around to answering his e-mails. Anyone else receive this one?

"all you guys on yenko site can blow me with your childness games where is the proof about the car so I can take it off and take it back where I bought it real proof not hear say"
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[T Billigen]

Mr. Tuttle has real way with words! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbsdown.gif

[Norm reynolds]

Hey Dennis WHY did Reggie Jackson sale this car as a CLONE and why has this car changed so many hands was it because it was found that it was not real
Boy I wish some one would shut him down If some one did buy this car will it go up for sale agan once they found what this car is

[ford26t]

I must be missing something all that money well I might have to put mine up for sale does anyone know If he got paid this much

[Norm reynolds]

If he did get that kind of money I have a numbers matching
full size blazer wonder what Dennis would give me for it /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/haha.gif

[yountto]

Did Reggie sell this car as a KNOWN made up car[he or someone he knew made up the car] ,or as a car he couldnt document with certainty,therefore calling it a clone to protect himself in the future if it was later proven fake ?????There is a big difference.

[Norm reynolds]

The trim tag on this car came off a real copo that was totaled and in a junk yard there are many other problems with this car I think Reggie check this car out and found that it was not the real thing

[Thomas]

So who was the one that bid $325000.- for this car? /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

[robber6910]

Dennis is just pissed because he is on the receiving end of the stick for once in his life. Now he knows what it is truly like to be burned at both ends. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/haha.gif

[Chevy454]

[ QUOTE ]
Well, it looks like Dennis got around to answering his e-mails. Anyone else receive this one?

"all you guys on yenko site can blow me with your childness games where is the proof about the car so I can take it off and take it back where I bought it real proof not hear say"

[/ QUOTE ]

You know you (yenko.net) have made it when you start getting plugs of THIS caliber! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif

[Mr70]

Yes. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/haha.gif High praise indeed considering the source!

[Charley Lillard]

Funny thing is he sent another Board member a Email saying he had sold it. And why would any of us want to assist him in getting a Refund ?

[T Billigen]

I think Ed Cunneen went and looked at this car and found that it was NOT a COPO! I also have recently seen it in one of the auto traders listed as a clone.