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CopoFan
05-06-2003, 02:58 AM
Hi all from a new user who has been really enjoying this site for the past year or so. I have spent many hours reading the many knowledgeable postings, and have found this to be the friendliest and most informative message board by far.

My interest in Chevy Supercars stems from the Chevelle in the attached picture that has been owned by my brother and now my friend for the past seven years.

We traced the car back through its second and third owners, Wally Collins (78 thru 96) and Alex (70-78). The car has spent its life in the Cleveland, Ohio area. We met with Alex and found that he bought the car from a salvage yard in early 1970. The car was there because it was stolen from the original owner and was missing the motor, trans and wheels. Alex claimed right away that this car was originally a 427 car. He bought a 396 and 4 speed tranny (out of a 67) from the same salvage yard and put them in this car. He also claims to have some paperwork and pictures from the car, but getting these items out of him isn't the easiest since there's really nothing motivating him to do so.

The rear end (12 bolt 4.10 POSI) does in fact have the KQ code stamped on it, and the build location and date seem to jive with other COPO's. Here is the info. from the trim tag...
ST69 13637 BAL 224156 BDY
TR 755 52 52 PNT
05DB11/875 B M179013
(the 1/8 above represents what seems to be the number 8 stamped a bit below the number 1).

It came with a bench seat and floor shifter... power disc and manual steering, and no other significant options. There are no signs of SS or engine markings on the body or interior (we initially thought it was a 6 cylinder car that had a 396 put in it because of the front marker lights). It does have the big block frame braces on the rear control arms as the SS's have. As you can see, it still has its wild 70's paint job, which is actually a repaint of the original scheme that Alex put on it in the early 70's.

Are they any other things to look for for COPO proof? Is there any way to trace the insurance records from the original theft? Any idea what dealer in the Cleveland area this may have been sold out of?

Also, I notice more than a few Ohioan's on this board... anyone recognize this car from back in the day?

Thank you much in advance,
Bob

COPO PETE
05-06-2003, 03:08 AM
The KQ bum is a very positive sign. A lot of the COPO Chevelles have a build sheet in or under the back seat. You really nead to take it out and have a peek. There are enough clues to warrant having a look.
Peter

micky69396
05-06-2003, 03:14 AM
I see the photo was taken at TDR. Other than finding a build sheet, right now ther is no for certain way to determine if its a COPO or not, but you have some signs there. If you need some help give me a call.

68l30
05-06-2003, 03:19 AM
Nice car! I haven't seen it around before....Could have come from any of the following in our area: Ed Stinn,Rodenfels(Bill Doroty),Jackshaw,Prout,Central,Evans......There were a lot dealers around back then.Sounds like a possible COPO. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif

Steve

copo9566aa
05-06-2003, 03:27 AM
Possible COPO Chevelle... /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif

Stefano
05-06-2003, 03:59 AM
CopoFan,
The rear axle housing is a strong clue, if it is original to the car? What is the axle tube date and the casting date of the axle housing? Have you examined the internals of the rear end for Copo specific items and dates?


Many COPO Chevelles had the SS designation on the standard steering wheel as well as most other indicators of an L-78 Super Sport.

Are there any holes for SS emblems in the rear tail panel?

CopoFan
05-06-2003, 04:22 AM
Thanks to everyone so far for the quick responses!

We've checked the most of the obvious places for the build sheet (back seat, door panels, under carpet) and have had no luck. We have a feeling the build sheet was found and removed during the paint work back in the 70's.

There is no sign that the rear end isn't original, especially since the paint on it matches the rest of the underneath which was all done many years ago. What internals of the rear end would point to COPO?

I attached a shot of the rear, which reminds me that everything was taken off of the tail panel for some reason.

Now that I think about it, there may be an SS emblem in the interior, but I'll defer that and the SS holes on the back panel to the current owner, Anthony, who will hopefully be catching up on this thread tomorrow.

Thanks again...
Bob

copo9566aa
05-06-2003, 04:28 AM
The VIN is probably close to 9B38..... /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif
What is the story about the vinyl top...

JoeC
05-06-2003, 11:51 AM
Is this car for sale? /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif

Chevy454
05-06-2003, 04:35 PM
This car is pretty close to my car and another member's car...looks like they were all built just a few days apart.

But, copo9566aa, if were taking bets on the VIN#, I've got 9B383! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif Seriously, though, I would be interested in the VIN# of this car...

copo9566aa
05-06-2003, 05:22 PM
/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif....N /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif

CopoFan
05-06-2003, 05:40 PM
You are correct... (except for the N)... 9B383. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

Chevy454
05-06-2003, 06:03 PM
Doh! N, B, same difference! Guess I'm having a little trouble switching from Camaro to Chevelle mode this morning. I got the important part correct though... /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif

copo9566aa
05-06-2003, 06:07 PM
Rob is probably rusty in Chevelle codes. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif

83% COPO....Chevelle /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/burnout.gif

JoeC
05-06-2003, 07:38 PM
Any numbers in the extreme upper right of trim tag? Also look for evidence of "Maliblu" emblem in q-panels (shouldn't be there) and look for factory stamped (not drilled) holes for rear panel trim between tail lights. The build sheets have be found literally anywhere in the car. In headliner, doors, under carpet, under dash, in fenders, but mostly in seat springs (front or rear). It would be great if you can find it. Also check for BB rad support. I have alot of info on COPO Chevelle trim tags and can tell more if I see a good picture of the trim tag.

COPO PETE
05-07-2003, 01:36 AM
So does this car have a Malibu interior?
Peter

CopoFan
05-07-2003, 02:32 AM
Yes, the interior is definately a Malibu interior. It has Malibu on the steering wheel, dash and door panels. There are no signs of SS396 anywhere on the car. I checked the tail panel, and you can tell that it originally had the two moldings going across it, but could locate no holes in the middle for the SS396 emblems. Also, we could see no sign of the Malibu emblem holes in the quarters, and we're 99% sure these are the original quarters.

Someone else said to check for the big block radiator support, but I'm not totally sure how to check this. It does have the big block braces in the rear connecting to the rear end upper control arms.

A picture of the trim tag is on the way, have to pull it off the digital cam and hope that it came out OK.

CopoFan
05-07-2003, 03:17 AM
Here are two shots of the trim tag, although neither came out too good. The key is that there is a number in the upper right corner, and it is 16.

CopoFan
05-07-2003, 03:20 AM
Let me try again, this time the images are much bigger...

Chevy454
05-07-2003, 04:32 PM
I'd bet that the "8" stamped on top of the 1 in "B1175" is supposed to be in the lower left hand corner of the trim tag, in the exact opposite location of the "16". That would be consistent with the rest of the trim tags I have. Judging by the position of the 8 and the 16 I'd say the trim tag was punched rather "hastily"!

copo9566aa
05-07-2003, 06:32 PM
The location of the top (Dual) digit and low (8) digit is not similar /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/no.gif
to the (235)Tag. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif