2002 Motion Camaro, NOT

[sYc]

Have been asked by Joel Rosen to let everyone know that he is no longer involved with Berger Chevrolet and GMMG in the production of 2002 Motion Camaros. There were several issues which caused Joel to withdraw from the project, includng a difference in opinion of how the cars should be equipped.

And, since Joel is no longer involved, the sYc has with drawn its support from the project as well.

[bkhpah]

Does this mean that the full page ad is the new MCR magazine is the only Motion collectors item? I was wondering why the Berger/Motion/MGGM Camaro never mentioned Joel Rosen. Wasn't his involvment the reason to buy one anyway?...BKH

[sYc]

According to Joel, this ad was ran without his permission. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/bs.gif In fact, as of this morning, he was still looking for a copy of the mag to view the ad for himself.

And by the way, we think you should be a detective, as you had figured out that Joel was out of the project before he knew it. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/worship.gif

[JoeG]

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[hvychev]

Here ya go Joel. (if you are reading)

Tom can you share the details of why such a historic project was trashed?

[JoeG]

Gee thanks Frank,---now that's public.

[sYc]

This information was posted per Joel's request. He and I visited for over an hour about the project, and during that conversation, he asked that I let everyone connected with this board know what was going on. The gremiln was my way of expressing how I felt, knowing that the ad had ran, even though the project was not going to happen. I am sure there are folks out there who have seen the ad and are not aware that Joel and Motion Performance are not involved. I would hate to thionk that there is someone out there right now doing his best to come up with the funds, and/or convince his better half, to let him buy one of the cars mentioned in the ad.

[JoeG]

SYC,
I got the wrong spin off the post Tom, my mistake /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif--JoeG

[matt murphy]

Tom and fellow SYC club members,

I feel that it is necessary to reply to these posts since the reasons for the cancellation of the Berger/Motion/GMMG project are being asked for. First of all, this was going to be a neat project and one that all three parties are sorry that it didn't happen. It is tough to put together a project like this since we had never done this with Berger or any other dealership. Bringing in Joel and the Motion theme was a great idea and I know Joel, Matt Berger, Dennis and myself were all very interested in making this happen. As time went on, I was finding it more and more difficult to keep everyone together on this project. I have to give my best to Joel Rosen on this project because if anyone of us thought he was no longer interested in cars or high performance cars, we were wrong. He is still very much interested in these cars and very interested in building such a car. There was never any problem between Joel, myself or Matt Berger. The real reason that this project was cancelled was that the three of us could not come to an agreement on what this car should look like and the power it should have. Joel wanted his car to look like what he wanted and Matt Berger wanted something different.

This was a project presented to us (Berger/GMMG) by a few of the members of the SYC, including Tom. Berger and GMMG were working on doing a project when the idea was presented to do a Motion car. We have the cars and will continue to do a project with them that will be of interest to many of you. Sadly, it will not be a Motion theme, or Motion style stripes or with Joels involvement. It is tough trying to pull together two big names in this industry and make one car when they both have great ideas, but are very different in design ideas. I believe Joel and his ideas would work and if created, would be a BAD ASS Camaro with more power than anything out there; however, Matt felt that the direction he wanted to go in was not in the interest of Joel. Unfortunately for the Motion enthusiasts, Matt owns the cars and is funding this project, and as my investor, I have to follow his wishes and direction. Joel said that if it isn't what he want then it isn't going to be called a Motion Camaro. I know that Berger or GMMG will not copy or use any of the Motion ideas for the project that will still go on.

I could go on and on here, but the point is that we tried to make it happen and before too much more time and money was spent, we decided to cancel this project. I did not feel that either side was willing to bent on their intent for the car, and I asked Matt to change direction on this project before any more money or time was lost. I hope that maybe Joel and Marty could put something together, to make a modern Motion car, because the interest is here for one, and the ideas Joel has are very wild and cool.

As for the Berger/Motion Ad in Muscle Car Review . . . it was brought up to Bergers ad dept that if they could put together an ad in 24 hours, since a full page color ad was cancelled in the magazine by another vendor, then the magazine would cut the cost of the ad to Berger Chevy. Their ad dept put it together and Joel; was made aware of it, and a copy was emailed to Joel by me that night. Any changes to be made were just not in the time limit allowed and we all agreed on it. We also agreed to do a second ad that Joel would have the ability to make changes to it to include his name, etc. I don't want to go any further into this ad because Muscle Car Review started printing the magazine before the Supercar Reunion. At that time, Joel, Berger and GMMG were moving forward with the project. Joel even mentioned at the Reunion that he was working with Berger and GMMG to do a Motion Camaro. Ads and articles for most magazines are put together and finalized up to 3 months in advance. The project was offically cancelled this week; therefore, the ad could never have been cancelled. It is maybe a collectors piece and something that will remind us of the Motion project that would have made the Camaro enthusiasts stand up and take notice.

I am sorry for the inconvience this project has caused people, but we tried to make it happen, and did the best we could to make it happen. If this project was funded by Joel then things would be different; but like all investors, they have the final say, since it is their money.

If anyone wants to discuss this any further with me, I can be reached at 770-592-6261. Thank you for your time and patience in reading this 1000+ word explanation. I was never good at making a comment or two without talking peoples ears off. Sorry . . . /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/flag.gif

[hvychev]

Well said Matt.

[55chevy]

well that just sucks.. I realize that Matt owns the cars and is funding the thing.. but there is only ONE Mr MoTion.. And he's never let us down before.. Give the man what he wants.. If Berger had different views... Come out with a BERGER camaro with those views attached... get it? Matt Berger doesn't design Motion Camaros.. Joel Rosen does.. Thats it. 1969......2003.. it don't matter. Come on guys... /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif

[camarojoe]

Ed, If it was your money invested, and you owned the cars, and someone wanted to do something you didnt like, would you go along with it anyhow? Maybe you would, but I know i wouldn't, regardless of WHO it was. I'm not taking sides here, but i can see how a dispute could easily cause problems. As Matt Murphy said, If Joel Rosen could put his own money into it and get some cars and create a "true" Motion-built modern supercar, he could do anything and everything he wants, and I'm sure the results would be wild, but when you try to do stuff with other people's money, you cant have 100% "artistic freedom", because the person footing the bill always has the ultimate "last word" in what his money is spent on. While I'm on my soapbox, I'd have to admit I actually believe the last true Motion cars (or ANY supercars for that matter) were built in the late 60s-early 70's anyhow. Not to disrepect the newer cars, as I love em, but i think new supercars should have new names, and pull their own weight, without relying on the names of past supercars. Like i said, thats just my opinion. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/flag.gif

[55chevy]

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif agreed.. And now that you mention it, going on what I know.. Joel isn't hurting for $ .. So in reality since Matt is fully funding the project, he has the final say.. And if Joel doesn't agree with Matt on the final Motion camaro.. Then Joel should bring out a Motion Camaro that he wants to come out on his own.. If he want's to. And since Matt has the cars and the funding, I say put them out as something "unique".. They don't have to be "motion" to be AWESOME. Give us something we haven't seen yet. I dare you. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif

[SMGCO]

Thanks for your detailed explaination and candor Matt. I hope all this doesn't knock you off balance with what your currently working on.

[AutoInsane]

I dont think it would be too tough for Joel to get some deposits for a true modern Motion Camaro!!

Can we get more details on the car Joel wanted to build?

[sYc]

427, supercharged w/nitrous. Some where in the range of 750 HP. In addition, special hood, wheels, spoiler, ground affects, with paint design in part by "Gary the Local Brush". As with most, if not all of Joel's cars, not for the faint of heart, either in performance or styling. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif

[Belair62]

Were they thinking of a 9" Ford in that thing ?

[55chevy]

Doesn't sound like anything wrong with Joels ideas.. So what were the differences that led to this project falling apart? /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif

[sYc]

Matt Berger was concerned with liablilty issues in regards to putting a supercharger/nitrous on a 600hp 427, and Matt Murphy and Joel had a difference of opinion on what/who's exterior pieces to use.

As for some of the other issues involved, and where things go from here, might be best if Dennis Barker chimed in here, as he was in charge of promoting, advertising and of course sales for the proposed new Motion car.