View Full Version : Olds W-30?
skierkaj
10-20-2003, 05:17 PM
I don't know if I believe this guy. He listed this car for sale on ebay, and gave some whacko number for the vin. I proceeded to email him for the "correct" vin, and he gave me this, "3G87H2R106316", which is still not consistent with a true W-30. He says the car is original and unmolested, but I think he's not telling the truth. What do you guys/gals think? Here's the auction Olds (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2438389800&category=15 287&rd=1)
55chevy
10-20-2003, 05:25 PM
Nice hood /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif I'm not seeing the orange fenderwells.. W-30 emblems could've been added any time to that car in the past 30 years. Looks like they've been on there a while though. Looks to be a real 442 anyway.
Casey Marks
10-20-2003, 05:43 PM
Jeepers !! Could the guy come up with any MORE impossible VIN numbers for the car ?? All we need is a good Hemi B-body VIN thrown in for the fun of it .... /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif
It IS a '72. And you can tell if it is a W-30 in '72 by the VIN - - just not THOSE VIN's ..... /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/bs.gif Prior years you cannot tell engine by VIN. However, ALL "W" cars were built in Lansing - an "M" for the 7th digit. Cutout bumper is a good sign.
Also visible would be an aluminum intake manifold, sport mirrors and possibly the optional aluminum rear end center section--just some info.
skierkaj
10-20-2003, 07:06 PM
I wouldn't trust this guy. Maybe if he had the numbers on the engine, and a window sticker, and a build sheet to back all of this up, I'd believe him then. Way to get my hopes up! What a ba$tard!
Fhakya
10-20-2003, 09:40 PM
That hood is killing me! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/haha.gif Now that's Ram Air!
jaze70ss
10-20-2003, 10:41 PM
I am amazed at the stealthy dissappearing rear spoiler. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/haha.gif
jay b
55chevy
10-21-2003, 04:10 AM
/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/haha.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/haha.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/haha.gif You're right.. I didn't even notice the "David Blaine" edition rear spoiler. Do you think it was on there for a few pics then fell off?? or off there for a few pics then fell on?? /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
Sure wouldn't trust this as a W-30 car now without docs. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbsdown.gif
skierkaj
10-21-2003, 05:18 AM
the guy emailed me and said that he'd have proof within a couple of days to prove that it's genuine, but i doubt he's telling the truth.
Ackman70
10-21-2003, 11:00 PM
According to the VIN he gave you the car is a '72 Cutlass S Hardtop Coupe with a 350 2 bbl. single exhaust assembled in Arlington, TX. A true W-30 will have the letter X in the VIN.
skierkaj
10-21-2003, 11:41 PM
you're right about the car, but it was optioned with the dual exhaust, cause it's got the cutout bumper. I've heard stories that not all W-30's were made in Lansing, MI, and in fact, there might have been some that were made at other plants. I heard that if the plants had the parts to make the cars into W-30's, they assembled them elsewhere to save money on shipping.
442w30
10-22-2003, 09:23 AM
It is true that it needs an X in the VIN for it to be a real W-30.
Also, a notched bumper does not a real car make. Truth be told, the 350-2 was the standard engine.
Correct, the single exhaust was standrd in 1972. We bought a new 442 from Nortell Olds in Chicago and it was a single exhaust car. In the summer of 1973 I bought a sculptured bumper from the dealer and put dual exhaust on the car. I inquired about the W25 hood and even then it was about $400 over the counter.
skierkaj
10-22-2003, 02:16 PM
I keep emailing this guy, and he's not talkin. Maybe he's got something to hide? He said that he was going to come up with proof, but I'm not sure how he's gonna do it with the wrong vin. The car does still appear to have some W-30 goodies, whether it's genuine or not; ie: cutout bumper, 455, spoiler, etc. Do you guys think that I should bid? /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif
55chevy
10-22-2003, 02:56 PM
Without some better pics of the cars actual condition, inside, outside, under, engine bay, trunk, etc... I'd say no. If you could view the car in person you'd probably agree. Alot of $$$ and work needed to bring that one up to being nice again. The body appears fairly straight, but who's to say a magnet would stick to it. The rear bumper may have the cutouts, but it's all bent up. I'd hate to see whats living inside it.. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/no.gif
Belair62
10-22-2003, 03:12 PM
skirkij....what about those other cars you were talking about....this thing looks nasty....
skierkaj
10-22-2003, 07:19 PM
what do you mean "Other cars I was talking about"? I'm not so sure i know what you mean. Explain further.
skierkaj
10-22-2003, 07:24 PM
I'm sure there's some mice that have a nest in that thing somewhere! I'd actually be surprised if there is bondo on that thing, since the paint looks like it's been on there a really long time. It's fresh paint jobs that you have to worry about body filler. I emailed this guy and told him to stop misrepresenting his product, as the Vin points to a non-W-30 car. I said that if he keeps representing it as is, I'd email the high bidder, or winning bidder, and tell them that they do not have an actual W-30. Can't that guy get in trouble for misrepresenting his auction?
442w30
10-22-2003, 07:59 PM
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The car does still appear to have some W-30 goodies, whether it's genuine or not; ie: cutout bumper, 455, spoiler, etc.
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Cutout bumpers are hallmarks of 442s, not W-30s. W-30s are just an engine package. Spoilers were optional. Judge it as a cheap and fast Cutlass/442 clone and maybe you can figure it out. If it does not meet that criteria, skip it. There's plenty of good cars and good sellers for you to not worry about this one.
T Billigen
10-22-2003, 08:39 PM
Your right about Olds being made at other plants. Wilmington was one plant that was a BOP plant where they made Pontiac, Olds and Buick along with Chevies. I ordered a new 1968 W-30 and I think it was built in New Jersey?
skierkaj
10-22-2003, 09:03 PM
so it is possible then that this car could be a W-30, and have a vin without an x, and have been made somewhere besides lansing?
Jeff H
10-22-2003, 09:48 PM
Doesn't the 5th digit of the VIN tell you what the engine is with GM cars starting in 72? If so, then it should be pretty easy to tell if it's a real W30 or not. Has the guy given you the correct VIN yet?
skierkaj
10-22-2003, 11:35 PM
No correct Vin as of yet, but he better get his act together and stop lying! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/scholar.gif
robber6910
10-23-2003, 09:09 AM
On 10/19 the guy states that he made a mistake. His exact words as follows:
On Oct-19-03 at 12:51:00 PDT, seller added the following information:
I am sorry I made a huge typing mistake the car is a 1972. The VIN is 687112R106316. Sorry.
Maybe the car was a 443 prototype. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/haha.gif
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