Possible Yenko SOLD on e-bay.....

[Mr Yenko]

Just watched a 69 Camaro "Z-10 Pace car" sell for $8,800 with a yenko vin, 124379N614924.Can someone tell me what they think? e-bay auction #2441534073
The Mayor /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/scholar.gif

[Jeff H]

That could be one heck of a buy if that is the actual VIN for the car. The car will obviously need a complete restoration to return it to a Yenko, but that's wild!

[Charley Lillard]

Just put the Yenko Paint scheme back on it and make it a Yenko Pro Street Car.... Cool...

[Kim_Howie]

I would say there is something wrong. Look at the next to last bid. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif

[Charley Lillard]

So Mr Mayor...You actually just sat and watched as a Yenko sold for 8K ?

[MikeA]

Clickable (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&mfcisapicommand=ViewItem&it em=2441534073)

[Mr Yenko]

Who do you think told them about the car?You guys should really look CLOSER to the vin #'s and then get back to me.
The "MAYOR of Fishkill" /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif

[x44d80]

Does Mark Hassett have the real 124379N614924 Yenko? or am I missing something in the translation here? /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif

[bkhpah]

According to the records we keep, the VIN is registered to a 4-speed HO AM Y Camaro sold out of Bresee Chevrolet in Syracuse NY. This car would share the same VIN with Hassetts. The Mayor called me in a panic over this VIN. He knew the VIN was a Yenko, but crossed it to Hassetts with the records I shared with him. He even tried to contact Mark before the end of the auction. I clicked on the item with just over a minute to go. We figured it was worth a shot if the VIN is real. If not we would walk. This whole thing lasted a minute. We did not get the car. The question remains why does this car share a Yenko VIN with another car? This car is in NY, and so was Bresee. I hope for Marks sake it was a misprint. The money on the car was at a little over 5k for what is not a very good car. I pushed it to over 8700.00 and did not touch it. I wonder if the high bidder knows its a Yenko VIN too...BKH : /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif

[T Billigen]

I can't believe someone would copy a Yenko vin and think they could get away with passing it off as real? If Mark has the verification from Cunneen I would have to say his is the real deal! I don't think they could possibly make a mistake at the factory and stamp two vins with the same number? But I guess anything is possible. I think more than likely the vin was printed wrong on the e-bay car.

[mhassett]

Brian When I saw the Post I wondered what was so IMPORTANT and then I did call Brian Potter, my Vin is #124379N615904 and the one on E-Bay is #124379N614924. Car in question has (2) different numbers than mine. Mark <font color="purple"> </font>

[bkhpah]

Why does a certificate make it a real car? If the car was not inspected in person. My old Yenko Camaro had one of the Cunneen certificates. He never looked at the car. He only verified a VIN for the old owner. A cerificate over the phone is not an inspection...BKH

[bkhpah]

I have the VIN 615204 as a HO 4-speed am/ps car from Stauffer, in Scranton PA. 614924 out of Breese in NY...BKH

[mhassett]

Kevin gave me ALOT of PAPERWORK with the car. The PROTECTO PLATE has the VIN # STAMPED in and the car came from Roy Stauffer Chevrolet, Scranton, Pa. Have paperwork when it was sold new to Larry Butler, ALSO have the Pre-Delivery Service and Adjustment Check Sheet. ALSO have the NEW CAR INVENTORY SHEET, stock number 9584. Thanks Everyone for Looking out for me that could have been scary, you NEVER know what people are up to!!! Thanks again, Mark <font color="blue"> </font>

[mhassett]

Brian, is Quickrod1 the Rod we know?? Just was thinking about that. MARK

[bkhpah]

Not sure who the new owner is. I'll bet the seller is happy with the extra money the car drew in the end...BKH

[bkhpah]

The car has very little clues from the pictures. It does have a 4-speed brake pedal...BKH

[T Billigen]

Bryan, I think your right about just a vin number verifing anything! If there is any doubt at all it should be gone over by an expert. With Mark's docs. and the numbers are not the same I think it is a mute point. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[Kim_Howie]

You guys have me confused?? The car for sale was 614924 right? Mark's car is 615904 right? Brian you have a different # than the other two 615204 right? SOOOOOO are the other two #s Yenko's ?? /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif

[Mr Yenko]

Vin # 614924 has Kevin Suydam's name on the Yenko inventory sheets as being the last owner.I knew that Mark had bought a car from kevin.I was making sure that Mark's car was not that car."MOF"

[Jeff H]

So this could still be a lost Yenko that somebody just got a great deal on???? 4 speed brake pedal with PDB. This could be interesting.

[Clint_69]

I purchased the car. I have given the gentleman a deposit via credit card since he has a business and we have a documented agreement. I guess I learned from Kevin. The car was not as modified as I thought such as the dash and the tunnel were only covered and not cut. I am pretty excited!

[Clint_69]

Thank god the firewall has not been modified either.

[Jeff H]

So is that really the correct VIN he has listed and you just found a lost Yenko? (as they say on the Hemi commercials - sweeeeeeeet!)

[SuperCars]

The left Yenko inventory sheet (yellow) is one I received with the car. The overlayed top sheet (pink) is one I received from a friend, and is possibly what Brian has a photocopy of. This is what happens when photocopies, of photocopies, of photocopies, are passed around. It appears to me someone has tried to overwrite and enhance the pink one. When I first received the (pink) one from my friend, I called Vince Emme, who knew of my car as verified and reconfirmed it for me by double checking it on his "original" sheet saying the number on my (yellow) sheet was the correct number.

http://www.corvettes-musclecars.com/yenko.net/69Sy.jpg

I keep copies of paperwork of all my cars I've sold, so this cars will follow in the next post.

[SuperCars]

One side of POP

http://www.corvettes-musclecars.com/yenko.net/69Sy2.jpg

[SuperCars]

other side.

http://www.corvettes-musclecars.com/yenko.net/69Sy3.jpg

[SuperCars]

Delivery inspection sheet.

http://www.corvettes-musclecars.com/yenko.net/69Sy4.jpg

[Mr Yenko]

So we still have no idea about vin # 614924.Does anyone have anything to ad to this vin?Does Kevin have proof of this car?"MOF" /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif

[SuperCars]

I have no info on VIN# 614924 other than it is on the sheets and sold by Bresee Chevrolet. I have never owned it, never seen nor heard of any list with me as owner of it. I really don't know how Mark Hassett's car could be brought into this "Possible Yenko SOLD on e-bay" thread though.

In my opinion Clint R just made a great deal, Congratulations Clint!

After past threads, and current threads (reading the GTO RA IV thread), I'm really trying to refrain from participating anymore. But felt it important to clear up what I knew about the car I sold Mark.

[Mike]

As always, a day late and a dollar short /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif
And right in my backyard too!!

Mike

[Mr70]

How much more is this Camaro worth,if not $8800.00 if it is indeed a real Yenko Camaro?
I am confused because Brian H. is very well known about these,and he was the second place bidder.Did he not bid it to as much as it could ever be worth potentially,in it's current condition now?

[Mr Yenko]

Well it is nice the owner of the car says the car is STILL available and is to contact me TODAY. Being that the car is in MY BACKYARD. I will keep you guys posted."MOF" /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif

[JChlupsa]

Thought it sold on Ebay!! and now its still up for grabs.
Once this thread heads south like the Nova one its gets closed

Here Ill help you all out /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/JeffSucksToo.gif

[T Billigen]

I was just contacted by a friend of mine and this is a "Real" Yenko!
614924
711 72-72 X-44

[Clint_69]

With all due respect, I have already paid the seller my deposit and have a signed purchase agreement between the seller and myself on the car. Very much like Kevin, the deal is done and I know that there will be people who are attempting to get this car but it is too late. Why would anyone contact the seller about the car Brian if I already told you it was sold? This situation sounds very familiar.

[T Billigen]

Congratulations Clint! I like to see someone get lucky /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif

[Clint_69]

When was your info sent to you Brian? The agreement was not signed and the car was not paid for until this morning. The seller has assured that the car is not going anywhere but in my garage.

[sYc Yenko]

Congratulations client, good going!!!!!

[hvychev]

If people are trying to get this car under Clint by contacting the seller that is a VERY UGLY thing! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif I hope people from here have NOT sunk to those lows. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif

[sixtiesmuscle]

You mean have NOT sunk, right Frank? I wouldn't count on that.

[SuperCars]

Darn, I'm trying hard to keep quiet here. Frank, some already sunk that low when several guys kept calling the Nova guy, clearly after I posted "I bought it", and still PRIOR to his post of still taking offers. Then it was after a couple days of the callers trying to buy it out from under me, that the Nova guy posted "still taking offers". You see it was those guys PRIOR to his post were telling him it was worth more, and would pay him more that I was unhappy with; not the callers after he posted.

But, Clint lets wait and see, as my guess is that MrYenko is only joking you, just to get a reaction.

Now, you can see from my perspective, over my Nova deal, how wrong it was for the callers trying to buy it after I posted "I bought it", which were attempts to buy it PRIOR to the Nova guy making his post of still taking offers.

[hvychev]

I understand Kevin but I personally think that Clint's situation is more severe. Clint won his car in an "organized" auction with e-bay. He clearly was the high bidder and the seller is obligated to sell him the car under a binding agreement since the reserve was met.

Good luck Clint

[SuperCars]

In all due respect, it's the same to me. We both had legal binding agreements, and "a deal is a deal". We both posted we "bought it". The only thing Clint hasn't resorted to yet is confronting whomever would try such a thing. But I think MrYenko is only joking, so it is best not to get heated. Unless the eBay Yenko seller posts on here, "still taking offers" that is. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[Jeff H]

Clint, congrats on getting a great deal on a lost Yenko. Personally, I don't see any problem with contacting the seller just in case the buyer can't come up with the funds, I would want to be 2nd in line if the opportunity popped up. It's the seller that has no right to say the vehicle is still available when an agreement or contract has been made. It doesn't matter if people contact the seller after the deal is reached. But I would be mad if I made a deal with someone and other's chimed in to say a car was worth a lot more. Good luck with the car Clint.

[T Billigen]

I think some people on here do not have the word "integrity" in their vocabulary. But "Greed" is!!! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/3gears.gif

[Mike]

For the record I'd like to let everyone know that I'm NOT one of the individuals that contacted the seller about this Yenko. I'll admit I'd love to have been the one that found it but hey...thats the breaks. Hopefully there are a few more out there /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Clint, good luck with the car and we'll talk to you soon.

Mike
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[Mr Yenko]

He e-mailed this morning his phone #,cause i e-mailed him twice last night before the auction ended.I just got off the phone with his son and waiting for him to call me back.We will have to see what he has to say when he calls back."MOF" /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif

[hvychev]

Kevin why do you keep suggesting that Brian Potter is jokeing? I do not get that impression at all.

If you are Brian you should speak up as this is not something to joke about with what happened with the BM Nova recently.

[Mr Yenko]

I guess I should have kept my mouth shout.Then NONE of you guys would have even known of the car till I had it in my gargage."MOF"

[hvychev]

Well Kevin I guess we have our answer. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif

[KENNY_PASCOE]

NO KIDDING JACKASS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[hvychev]

Ken who are you referring to?

[shor]

<font color="brown">HERE ARE THE AUCTION RESULTS </font>
Currently $8,800.09 First bid $2,500.00
Quantity 1 # of bids 8
Time left Auction has ended.
Started Nov-05-03 17:26:54 PST
Ends Nov-15-03 17:26:54 PST
Seller (Rating) ken6769( 1 )



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Bidding History (Highest bids first)
User ID Bid Amount Date of Bid
quickrod1( 58) $8,800.09 Nov-11-03 22:02:09 PST
bkhpah( 80) $8,700.09 Nov-15-03 17:26:24 PST
jobary21( 59) $5,000.00 Nov-10-03 07:51:31 PST
jobary21( 59) $4,500.00 Nov-10-03 07:50:58 PST
quickrod1( 58) $4,051.00 Nov-07-03 13:26:26 PST
pmibcw( 30) $4,000.01 Nov-06-03 20:16:12 PST
hutchins007( 3 ) $3,500.00 Nov-06-03 18:39:21 PST
firstkiss69( 58) $3,000.00 Nov-05-03 18:11:56 PST

[shor]

??? Who is quickrod1 ???

[T Billigen]

I don't think it is you Frank! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif

[sixtiesmuscle]

Looks to me like the winning bidder had already bid days before you opened your mouth at all MOF. I thought it was strange when you "watched it sell" without bidding. If you wanted it, and new it was real, why did you not bid? Trying to screw the deal up now is unethical plain &amp; simple. If that's not important to you, then tell the guy what it's REALLY worth, and, step up.

If I had bid on the car days before, and, you posted a great find for all to see, I'd be pissed too. Wouldn't you if the situation was reversed? Then not to bid on it, but ,wait to horn in after the auction is over really boggles the mind. Just MHO, of course.

[Jeff H]

It looks like Clint had his bid placed on the car several days ago so I don't see how anyone else could think they had the best shot at it. Let's not turn this one into an ugly thread like so many others.

[hvychev]

What amazes me is that a couple of people are blatantly displaying that they are pissed that someone else won the auction fair and square and are telling the rest of us that they have already moved in to try and blow the deal for their own personal gain. Your lucky that I am not the high bidder on the auction.

[KENNY_PASCOE]

REFERRING TO MR YENKO.... KP

[Mr70]

Or your Mrs...... /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/haha.gif

[Mr Yenko]

I have no reason for another yenko.I made this post cause i thought that there might be a bogus yenko.If clint 69 is Quickrod1 then my hat is off to you,Clint.But when i saw Kevin Sudam's name in the sheets i was concerned.But i found the car with less then a hour to go.I called the boys in Pa. to see what they knew of that vin.Iam by noway trying to back door the high bidder.But i will wait to see what Doug the owner of the car has to say when i talk to him tonite.So lets not get our UNDERWEAR in a BUNCH."MOF" /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/scholar.gif

[Jeff H]

So it turns out that a case of messed up Yenko paperwork could have been to Clint's advantage here. I'm pretty surprised that the paperwork showing Kevin then Mark as the owner has the wrong VIN, especially when dealing with high dollar, rare muscle cars. I guess the real proof will be when Clint can verify the hidden VIN's show it to be the real thing. Definitely a cool find.

[Mr Yenko]

I am curious as to why the owner of the car asked me to make him a offer this morning.If the car sold last night?"MOF"

[shor]

??? Who is quickrod1 ???

[hvychev]

Chris from what I am gathering Quickrod1 is Clint Richmond (Clint69) a member of this site.

[sYc Yenko]

My guess is client 69??

[sYc]

Have spoke with both parties invovled, Brian (Mr. Yenko) and Clint (Clint-69), about this car.

First of all, according to Clint, and I have no reason to doubt his word, he has put a deposit on the car. The owner has assured him it is his.

As per Brian, he was not in the wrong with how he went about things. The whole problem was how the owner of the Yenko explained things. Without going into a long, drawn out post, he left the impression with Brian that the car was not sold, when in fact it was just a matter of getting Clint's deposit to him. As I told Brian, if in his shoes, I would have handled it the same way. Heck, we all went ballistic when we saw his post about the car.

After hearing all of the facts, Clint agreed that Brian did nothing "shady".

Now, about the name calling /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbsdown.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbsdown.gif

[DSYenko]

From my personal past experience with a similar ebay deal (laywers involved)that car is Clints if he is the QuickRod user plain and simple and the seller best not even waste his time talking with anyone else.THAT CAR IS SOLD !!!!

[Clint_69]

Here is the story. I, like others, saw Brian's post about the car. I too have some Yenko numbers and saw on my list that the car in question did not belong to Mark H. Seeing that the auction had stopped, I emailed the seller my telephone number and stated that if the high bidder did not want the car, to please give me a call. He responded to me, just like he did Brian and stated that the car was still for sale and that the high bidder had backed out. The seller emailed me his phone number and told me to contact him if I was interested. I woke up this morning to the seller calling ME. He asked if I was interested in the car and we struck the deal. I immediately went to my office and faxed him the purchase agreement (signed by both the seller and myself)and gave him a large deposit on the car. In several conversations I have had with hime today, he has received other phone calls of people offering to buy the car. After every phone call that he has received, he has called me back letting me know what was going on and at this point he refuses to release any information about the car or the transaction. He stated that he feels bagered. He has told me not to sweat it, that the car is mine, he has my money, he signed the agreement and the only way he would give someone else the opportunity to buy is if I do not go through with the transaction. Obviously, I will not pass on the deal. If you choose to call him back Brian, and I am sure you will,he will tell you it is not for sale, period!. My understanding is that he told you, that unless I backed out, this car is not for sale. When you posted this in an open forum, I acted on it and anyone who read it had an equal opportunity. I am greatful to have purchased the car but I would suggest keeping this information low key if you are actively pursuing a deal. As I have said before, this site is a GREAT resource for information. So I guess I owe you a thanks. So thanks! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[hvychev]

Clint are you quickrod1?

[DSYenko]

It sounds like Clint is not QuickRod,BUT if QuickRod backed out on his bid the seller can legally make a deal with Clint,so for the rest of us "It's all over but the cry'n!!"

[SuperCars]

Aside from the eBay sales controversy, Mark Hassett and myself want to make double sure that everyone on this public forum understand the VIN and paperwork confusion, as Marks car shouldn't have been brought into this thread to start with. We don't understand what the motive was as it's VIN isn't even remotely close to the eBay Yenko, and my name isn't on any sheet as owner of the eBay Yenko.

So I'm responding to the Jeff H post which is further confused about the paperwork. Mark's car is 615904 as the excellent documentation shows, and also is reconfirmed to be correct by Vince Emme. I have just received an email from Ed Cunneen stating his sheets show that 615904 is correct as well. Apparently Brian and Brian have an inaccurate number (615204) on their sheet for Marks car. But the eBay Yenko is 614924 so we don't understand why Marks car was brought into this thread to start with??? In any event Mark's car is an undisputed authentic awesome Yenko Camaro. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif

[sYc]

Clint, thanks for clearing the air about what really went down. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/scholar.gif

As per Brian, I think he deserves an apoligy or two. After all, he discovered the car, shared his discovery with he rest of us, and ended up getting bashed over it, when all he was doing was trying to protect Kevin's/Mark"s interest, as Brian thought the car in question was their car. Hang in there Brian. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[Jeff H]

Hmmmm, so Clint, you weren't the high bidder on Ebay, but you contacted him first asking if the deal fell through that you would be 2nd in line. The Ebay bidder will be bumming when he finds out what he could have had. My comment about the incorrect paperwork still has merit since the numbers are mixed up. I understand that Brian was just looking out for Mark's interest and incorrect paperwork and number transformation caused that. Still a great story of a found Yenko.

[bkhpah]

Wouldn't the second ebay bidder be entitled to have the first shot? As for Brians concern on the car, he felt that the car in question belonged to Mark H. He was concerned to bid on the car untill he talked to Mark. He thought the ebay car may have been using a VIN number inaccuratly. His overly cautious feeling look like it may have backfired. His first concern was for Mark, not for the car in question...BKH

[Charley Lillard]

LOL...The Second Bidder didn't quite Bid enough.

[Jeff H]

The only "contract" through Ebay would be with the high bidder that meets the reserve. I hope the seller got a signed statement from the high bidder saying he was backing out of the deal or he could come back and claim it. As we have found out in the past, a verbal agreement doesn't seem to hold any value. As much as I hope Clint does get the car, the high bidder on Ebay has a legal, binding contract.

[Belair62]

I can see it now....people e-mailing Quickrod to tell him to get the car and they will give him more !!! LOL..what a great hobby.

[musclecarkingpin]

Discussed off line, /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[jfkheat]

Shouldn't the email from the high bidder be record enough that he didn't want the car.
James

[T Billigen]

WOW! Musclecarkingpin, what did you say!!!! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif

[Mr Yenko]

Well Kingpin,
I guess for being a NICE guy and giving the supercar community a Yenko on a SILVER PLATTER. This is what I deserve.You can BET that I will NEVER EVER give ANYONE on this board any info to anything i discover.Cause being the GOOD guy is a BUNCH OF CRAP.Did i know it was a GOOD deal,HELL YEAH.I was concerned that it was possibly another members car.I think it will be best that i sit back and watch from now on...Cause if this is the THANKS that I get for putting a unfound YENKO on this board.This just flat out SUCKS............. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/Charley.gif

[LVCamaro]

That KingPin post was out of line, Brian. You've been a good sport about this, it sucks to have come down as such a revolting development of controversy. Wish it woulda been different for you, but out in the sunshine backfired this time. Sorry to see it happen that way.

SS

[tom406]

Without trying to antagonize anyone, how good of a deal is it really? The price seems fine, but the closer I look at that car, for resto purposes, its just a tub, a subframe, and a VIN, Plus a couple grand of drag race swap fodder. There's a long, expensive road ahead for that car. All the COPO-unique stuff is gone, as is all the removable sheetmetal.

Now each of the principals in this story may very well have the capability to carry this task out, but I could easily see this thing passing through several eager-turned-disillusioned owners before it ever gets put together again. In a month, after the rush of discovery subsides, I don't think there will be as many eager buyers as there probably are at this moment. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

[LVCamaro]

True, Tom...I was just chatting off-line with a guy, and we figure it's $125,000 by the time it's in the show ring.

SS

[hvychev]

[ QUOTE ]
As per Brian, I think he deserves an apology or two. After all, he discovered the car, shared his discovery with he rest of us, and ended up getting bashed over it, when all he was doing was trying to protect Kevin's/Mark"s interest, as Brian thought the car in question was their car. Hang in there Brian.

[/ QUOTE ]

Tom, after thinking about this for a while and rereading the whole thread I must say that it takes a HUGE pair of brass ones to ask anybody to apologize to Brian or Clint.

I like EVERYBODY else feels cheated and majorly jerked off by the whole situation that has unfolded today with this car. One of our members "it seemed" was the high bidder on a car that was reveled to be a real Yenko and "stole it" so to speak. Then out come the vultures trying to intercept this car before the high bidder gets a chance to collect his big win. Brian Potter made exactly 10 POSTS in this thread about this car and ONLY 1 of them mentioned Mark Hassett. I think that this next quote best illustrates the true reason that he posted about this car. When somebody posts a bogus thread about a Yenko found for $500 how do you think he would have posted about a real Yenko bought for $8300.00?

[ QUOTE ]
I guess I should have kept my mouth shout.Then NONE of you guys would have even known of the car till I had it in my gargage."MOF"



[/ QUOTE ]

As for Clint he made 5 posts in this thread and not a single mention was directly made that he was not "Quickrod1" I along with probably most members thought that poor Clint was the high bidder and all these big bad people were trying to blow up his deal. Also Clint was asked 3 TIMES if he was "Quickrod1" and STILL has not answered!

I originally posted in this thread with the best of intentions. One of our members was getting to short end of the stick and I was speaking up for him. Tom I would have done this if the member would have been the new kid skierkaj or you! See you at Vette Fest in 5 days......

[DjD]

Invested or worth?

[Jeff H]

Tom, to the right person who already has the correct 427 and BE rear, it could be a great find. To be a $140K car, it will need a very extensive, correct restoration. But regardless, someone found a lost Yenko and it's great for the hobby. My thinking was that if I was lucky to even have the $8800 to buy it, I would never be able to have it restored without taking out a 2nd mortgage.

[Belair62]

Frank he did say he was not the high bidder and the high bidder backed out so that would make him NOT Quickrod...It's kind of amazing so see this car pop up and to think they still are out there....very cool find

[sYc]

Frank, my reference to an apoligy was for name calling, "jackass" in this case. Regardless how we may differ in opinions on this board, there is NO place for that. PERIOD! Whether you, me or whoever.

[hvychev]

Yeah Belair that was Clints LAST post.

[Belair62]

Jeez Frank..maybe the guy has a life and doesn't sit in front of the computer like those Pontiac guys.

I guess the old adage about there still being cars out there to find is true. However, personally I think it really isn't that good of a deal in the first place. Here is an interesting point that might not have been thought of. It appears that the car will need a restoration that will cost what the car is basically worth. Since the condition of the car and its' lack of the "pertinent" equip (BE rear, engine, all the COPO parts, trans, etc..) are going to have to be found, why would someone pay top dollar for the car in the first place when it is finished. I'm sure for the eventual possible asking price if the car is ever re-sold another more "complete" (read..more of that particulars cars VIN numbered/original components car can be had). My point is everyone will know the car is an "assembled," car either through scrounging the parts or ordering them from vendors. I sincerely doubt anyone in their right mind would do a complete NOS frameoff on this car, therefore it is going to be a "parts book" restoration. The purchaser can't re-list the car for sale without the people willing to pay 125k for a car knowing this. Therefore is it really a "good deal?" IMHO..."no" Still an interesting example showing "treasures" can still be found.

As an added comment about the auction itself..if Clint is "quickrod" or whatever the high bidder is then fine it is his car..if he isn't (again he hasn't posted he is...) and he realized that Brain was the next high bidder, isn't some integrity involved in not trying to buy the car until ALL ebay parties were contacted? Especially if Clint didn't even bid? Sure maybe for Ebay's purposes the "contract," is only valid with the ultimate "high bidder," but doesn't integrity come into play...If Clint is the high bidder, step up and say you are the person that is listed on Ebay as the winner..that would clear a lot of potential confusion.

[hvychev]

Greg with labor costing what it does I would think that if someone like Brian Henderson who could do it right bought the car he would PROBABLY have the right money in it.

[LVCamaro]

Tom,

Kenny P. and Brian P. are buddies and "jackass" is an endearing term between them [I believe], but you had no way of knowing. Even so, those endearing terms gotta stay off-line for fear of misunderstanding.

SS

[Belair62]

Thats a darn good perspective on it Greg.....

[sYc]

Thanks Steve. Come to find out, that was the case with Kingpin as well. But, as I explained to him, and has been proven many times, it is not always possible to post things "tongue in cheek" and everyone view it as such.

[Stefano]

Great find. Bet the car has an interesting history /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/burnout.gif

[LVCamaro]

Ever notice how frequently that Sunday nite is "family feud" nite on the forum? It's the pre-Monday morning jitters, I bet.

SS

[KENNY_PASCOE]

THANKS FOR THE KIND WORDS LV. THATS THE TRUTH.

[camarojoe]

[ QUOTE ]
Ever notice how frequently that Sunday nite is "family feud" nite on the forum? It's the pre-Monday morning jitters, I bet.

SS

[/ QUOTE ]

At least we're back to arguing about Chevy's again! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

[sYc]

I bet the Pontiac guys are getting a kick out of this. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/haha.gif But hey, at least it is Chevy supercar related. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

Dang Joe, you beat me to it. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif

[ssl78]

What a cool find its amazing they are still out there. The car might not be worth much more but I'm sure it could still turn hands for a good profit. I cant wait to hear the story of how someone tracks down previous owners and finds the original drivetrain sitting in the corner of the garage.

[JTH74]

This post has been a whirlwind today! Clint congrats on your find, hope it turns out great for you, and another possible Yenko find is great for the hobby and preservation of these great cars,but bashing each other over a car deal, when it can only cause hard feelings is absolutely insane, especially when you guys are going to see each other at shows and other functions for these cars! I think that Mr. Yenko was trying to look out for Mark Hasset's best interest when he thought the cars had the same VIN#'s, but I came across a website last night that really disturbs me and it should concern everyone else in this hobby,(www.trimtags.com), they restamp trim to your specifications, and they claim not re-stamp VIN tags, but if they can do trim tags, I know they have the ability to do VIN# tags, so what would stop them from or someone else paying these guys some big bucks to make these tags for a car, to say it was a Yenko, etc. What would the situation be if two identical VIN#'s show up for example for a Yenko Camaro and both cars are matching #'s, course one being a restamped block, and with all the right components BE rear,etc, but neither having the rock solid paperwork, as Mark Hasset's car does, and the VIN is the only thing to go on for a verification of the cars authenticity? For example I really want a Hugger orange black stripe,Black Vinyl top 69 RS/Z, with orange houndstooth interior, and I know that my chances of finding this combo, is like none to impossible, but when I find the right car, I will just change the interior to my liking and leave the trim tag alone and represent the car for exactly what it is supposed to be! This trim tag re-stamping really bothers me, and it should everyone else! I would like to hear everyone else's thoughts on this, thanks.

P.S. Lets keep this great site clean and supportive of the members and the hobby, no matter if you are a owner or enthusiast of these great cars! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbsdown.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif

[hvychev]

Guys with 60 people online right now (the most that I have ever seen online at one time!) I guess controversey is what brings them to the show! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[Belair62]

Actually I think once the dust settles we will find out that indeed this was the only RA V Camaro Yenko ever built...and Jim Wangers rode in it to get lunch for Bill Knafel. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif

[tom406]

You know, this might be the perfect reason to buy one of those good-parts-laden "clones" out there. A Yenko is reborn and a rolling forgery dies. Clint, have you called Wagner's yet to see about that brown car? /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif

[Charley Lillard]

JTH...Trimtags.com has been around for quite awhile and I'm sure there are lots of cars being changed with trim tags to match but making a Trim tag is Legal. Making or selling a vin tag is a Felony so I doubt if you will see them doing that.

[JTH74]

I don't think that they would re-create a VIN tag,but it still leaves doubt in some peoples mind, just knowing that the capability is out there and it could be done. I just hate to see it get to a point where people would come to you at a show and discredit a rare supercar, or not believe it to be the real thing unless you have all the paperwork, POP, and other documents all the way back to new or original owner. I was in no way saying that these guys at trimtags.com would do that, for all I know they maybe the most honest people to deal with,and would have the integrity not to do VIN tags to fake a car, I was just saying it leaves doubt in some peoples mind just the know that the capability,ability and resources are out there to do it. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif


P.S. I was just using that as an example, and in no way did I mean to offend anyone if I did so.

[jfkheat]

From what I was told about TrimTags.com, you have to show some type of proof before they will make a tag. You can't just call and tell them you want a trim tag that has whatever info you want on it.
James

[Enoch]

I had restored a 69 L89 corvette with a rusted windshield frame and the vin tag was badly rusted (all #'s were still there) and had a new vin tag made at my customer's request. And the company I used to do it for me made every effort to verify the validity(SP?) of my request. First I needed a pencil tracing of the vin, second current copy of title and a written letter stating why I needed it signed by a notary public. After all that the vin was sent and was flawless.

Rich.

[Pantera]

Actually I think once the dust settles we will find out that indeed this was the only RA V Camaro Yenko ever built...and
Jim Wangers rode in it to get lunch for Bill Knafel.

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Dang you Belair62........ You just made me fall out of my chair laughing my ass off.... This is getting better than a soap.... /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/haha.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/haha.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/haha.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/haha.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/haha.gif

[matt murphy]

WOW, , , I leave this site for a day and a 6 page post pops up. Sorry I missed the beginnings, but the truth of the matter is . . . Never say Never, when it comes to finding something rare and special. My Dick Arons Camaro is a great find and I bet more are out there like it and this Yenko, as long as the VIN is correct when Clint gets out there.

Also, don't kid yourself, starting with and $8800 (plus shipping) Yenko, even in a clapped out, rusted bucket, from a junkyard, is WELL worth it. Finding a suited '69 CE 427 engine, BE rear, trans, etc. is easy with say $15,000. Then complete body panels and interior kit, etc. another $10,000. You will be less than $35K in a Yenko and well on your way to a nice restoration. Most restored cars are using new NOS parts anyway. I hope Brian gets a nice finders fee, Clint certainly has a lot of cash to spare with what he has (at least in the value of his purchase), if it turns out to be real, which I guess it probably will be.

Hey, Brian Henderson, can you call me at 770-592-6261 . . . Are you still going to the Vette Fest ?? /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[DjD]

[ QUOTE ]
From what I was told about TrimTags.com, you have to show some type of proof before they will make a tag. You can't just call and tell them you want a trim tag that has whatever info you want on it.
James

[/ QUOTE ]

Check out their site... They advertise you can add or remove options and change color and such!! If they will do that why would they ask you for proof of the old one? www.trimtags.com/faq.html (http://www.trimtags.com/faq.html) Look for the question "How do I know if I need a TRIM TAG?"

[MotownMadman]

They will change color or interior color or trim such as standard/deluxe, but they want proof as they wont make a Lemans into a GTO, or an X44 standard Camaro into an X33 or X77 Z-28, etc, etc,. The concept they have is to allow an owner to replace a lost or damaged tag, or to change exterior or interior color. They wont make a plain jane into a musclecar if that is something that can be designated by the trim tag. I am not a big fan of what they are doing but from what I have read on other sites they are trying to not allow model fraud.
Thanks,
Motown /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif
P.S. I copied the following from their web site under "About Us";
Note: We don't have a problem changing paint codes, trim codes, convertible/vinyl top color codes, or option codes. We will not change "STYLE" numbers (i.e. convert Tempests into GTO's, Cutlass' into 442's, six cylinder cars into eight cylinder cars).

[copo9566aa]

Great find Congratulations /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif to the new owner and a member of Yenko.net /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif

[NEW]

Congrats,

Cool Find!

NEW /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif

[L67WT1]

What a cool find.Congrats to Clint. I really like stories like that. I just don't understand some of the hard feelings. If someone really wanted this car and knew it was a Yenko they should have made an offer to the owner before the auction ended. Sellers can remove items for sale on e-bay before auction close. All the belly aching after the fact is in my opinion sour grapes if you know something is real and it is a deal you have to pay up before it is gone. The car is nationally advertised on e-bay and is fair game to who ever is willing to pay for it first. I am surprised this car lasted the entire auction, a lot of the rare cars like this and other musclecars end before auction close. I think that is great! A real Yenko for 8,800 with some hunting and prudent purchases you could be on your way to a a real nice car after it is restored. Who cares if the numbers don't match, a lot of Yenkos as well as other Super/Musclecars don't have their original drivetrains they were raced and thrashed on back in the day. Congrats again. There is still hope that some cool cars are not yet discovered.

This post was not in reply to the above post just my two cents.

[DjD]

[ QUOTE ]
They will change color or interior color or trim such as standard/deluxe, but they want proof as they wont make a Lemans into a GTO, or an X44 standard Camaro into an X33 or X77 Z-28, etc, etc,. The concept they have is to allow an owner to replace a lost or damaged tag, or to change exterior or interior color. They wont make a plain jane into a musclecar if that is something that can be designated by the trim tag. I am not a big fan of what they are doing but from what I have read on other sites they are trying to not allow model fraud.
Thanks,
Motown /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif
P.S. I copied the following from their web site under "About Us";
Note: We don't have a problem changing paint codes, trim codes, convertible/vinyl top color codes, or option codes. We will not change "STYLE" numbers (i.e. convert Tempests into GTO's, Cutlass' into 442's, six cylinder cars into eight cylinder cars).


[/ QUOTE ]

At what point does an option code and a "Style" number get blured? Will they add an X11 but not an X33? Would they refuse someone wanting a tag stamped X44? Will they change interior color but not switch from standard to deluxe? I think they are being too liberal in order to make it as a business. They should require proof of ownership and doc's showing the vehicle as optioned from the factory. I have not done business with them but bet for a price they are just like Alice's Restraunt (you can get anything you want!)

[Mark_C]

If their not making them, then who is. I've got images of 3 fake 67 Z28 tag, probably 30 fake 69 Z28 tags, half a dozen X22, and X66 tags.

Some morons even fake 68 tags, that don't even tell you anything.

The wording on their website is for legal considerations only. They'll stamp anything you want on a trim tag, just send them a check, or better yet cash.

[MotownMadman]

I dont doubt for a minute that they may fake them and if not someone else, I was merely posting the web site info and opinions of others that have discussed this before. As I said, I am not a fan of the practice. Word manipulation for legal reasons is a very good point, Alices restaurant is also a good comparison.
Motown /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[Clint_69]

Wow, what can I say? This is one screwed up deal. Even yet this morning, the seller is still receiving emails and phone calls (he don't know how people got his number). Yes he knows it is a Yenko, yes he knows it's value and no he is still not selling the car to anyone but me. The car is paid for and was purchased by me and is being picked up shortly. I am sad to say that many people have attempted to screw me on this deal. He had received email from at least 10 people. I did not undercut anybody, I am not quickrod. This was anybody's deal to lose I just reacted quicker than most and sealed the deal. Nobody sent me an email stating they were working a deal, nobody had even talked to the seller when he contacted me and nobody has told me since I bought the car that I screwed them. That being said, allot of people have tried to screw me. Brian Henderson, why were you still sending this guy emails last night telling him that you were the second highest bidder and that you want the car? Why, because you were trying to screw me when you knew I had sealed the deal. You do nice work on these cars but if you were the last restoration shop on earth, you would not get my business. How about you Brian Potter? Why are you still trying to screw me? Neither of you guys even know me. Because you guys are stupid enough to let the car go, you want to try to screw up a good thing for me. Brian, you had the car at $8700. Why did you not bid higher? You lost it fair and square. Brian Potter, why did you post it on the internet for all of the world to see? Not too brite if you wanted the car.You were concerned about Mark? BS, your motives are clear to me and they are about money. Brian Henderson, when the auction ended, you were out of the deal. It was fair game and you know it. When the seller tells me about the others who have contacted him since yesterday morning, I will know who you are. If you contacted him, do not EVER as me for a damn thing and I mean never. You have taken a clear stance against me. I have been in the Supercar arena for 1 year. Allot of my experiences have been good but this one has put a real bad taste in my mouth and I have formed many new opinions about how this group of people work. It is very sad to me because I love the cars. In these pages regarding this car, there have been many people who have been supportive and I thank you. These are the guys that I choose to associate with and who make the hobby good. I will continue to own and enjoy these cars as I have but unfortunately the group of people that I trust in this hobby has gotten allot smaller. Beware to anyone trying to work a deal on a purchase. I suggest you keep it quiet or the vultures will come!

[Clint_69]

By the way, several members of this site directed the seller of my car to view all that has taken place. When I spoke with him this morning, he had already read all 7 pages. He was not impressed.

[sixtiesmuscle]

Wow, so much for the Sunday only family fights.

[mike32]

GOOD SCORE CLINT!!! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[L67WT1]

Clint you are right on the ball on this one. Congrats again. It's not just the Supercar Guys that are like that it happens whenever a rare or desirable musclecar is for sale you need to keep it under your hat until the car is in your garage even friends like to blab about a find and can screw up a deal for you. It reminds me of a quote in a movie that I saw but cannot remember the title " I will cut you... I don't want to cut you....But I will cut you".

Everyone should stop calling the seller and let it go they had their chance !!!

Fire me over some pics of the car when you get it home.

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[newguy]

Wow, I have heard about some sharks in these water, and boy, that was an understatement! Bunch of people here have no morals and have no shame in that /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/Charley.gif. It is a shame. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbsdown.gif

Clint, WAY TO GO!! That is cool that you got such a good deal, and was able to fend off the sharks! Pics would be sweet neihbor. Iowa just keeps getting better and better! I need to attend some shows there.

I bet the high bidder is totaly kicking himself now, but that is what you get when you place a bid and don't follow through /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

[bkhpah]

First off, I was part of the original auction. I was a bidder on the car. You were not period. I have every right to pursue a car that was bid on and the high bidder backed away from. Why not. If the auction was a reserve met auction, and it was, and the original high bidder backs away, even though his bid is a binding and legal contract according to ebay the seller should contact those who bid on the auction first. My bid is also considered legal and binding. Stepping outside the underbidders and accepting an outside offer first is not the way the auction is set up. Simply put Clint, you used this site and Potter to get a car you were clueless about. Your true colors came out loud and clear. Your smack in Potters face response is clear to most. It seems you are OK with stepping on toes, but can't handle it when the tables are turned on you. What is different. You stepped over my real bid, to get to the car. I would only think its right for me to find out why my bid is no good. Enjoy the car Clint, I don't care, you won it fair and square...BKH /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[JChlupsa]

Said it earlier, Thread goes South, Thread will be closed!

Anyone have questions or comments about what and how the deal on this car happened, contact those involved thru E-mail. Enough said

[JChlupsa]

Thread is open for one reply from QuickRod1. All other new posts will be deleated!!!!!!

[hvychev]

Jeff you and I get along but that is very unfair.....

[Quickrod1]

First off I am the real winner of the auction on Ebay!!!!!!!

I will tell a brief story of all that happened.

I talked to the seller on the 9th of May while the auction was still on with no reserve. We both eventually agreed for me to buy the car for $5500 and close the auction earily. But by the time he recieved the certified check on the 13th the reserve was met and let the auction ride till the end. So i purchased the car before it closed!!! Then I was still the winning bidder for $8800.09 at end of the auction! We agreed for me to pick it up on 28th. After the auction ended I got hammered with email!! First was Clint but nobody would tell me any info why? Then I got a call for the sell on the 17th that he sold it out from under me to someone!! But I had some cool new friends tell me who bought it out from under me and that was Clint!! Clint badgered the seller to sell it to him even though I had already purchaced the car days earilier in the week before he had a so-called contract with the seller. Now today the seller has agreed to give me the car that I legally won on Ebay and bought even before the auction had ended. END OF DISCUSSION I AM THE OWNER OF THE CAR AND I DIDN'T EVEN KNOW WHAT I BOUGHT!!!!! Thanks for the help guys!!!

Duane