On eBay 68 COPO camaro

[Leonard]

May want to check this out. What does everyone think? /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gifhttp://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=6161&item=24471590 07

[resto4u]

I can't see the fender emblems very well. It looks like a wi. license plate expire oct 04. He says don't email unless you have $50,000 in the bank. If that is all he wants for the car, what a steal if it is real! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif Roger

[Born30YrsLate]

Yup the plate looks like a WI one.....the phone number he listed is in Mount Horeb, WI. The the auction location is stated as FL....just some observations.

[Charley Lillard]

Both of his Emails come back. So is he referring to 9737 ? That would explain the 140 speedo. Is it a unconverted Yenko ? Is it a Yenko ? I would like to see the vin, trim tag and protecto plate.

[resto4u]

Charley, sounds like it is a yenko. He says he has the original hood, two scoops. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif This also looks very similar to a 68 yenko that stauffer classics had for sale about a year ago. But i do not think there car was mod out like this one. If this car is in wi. i am only 20 min. away. If someone wants to run the plate, i will go knock on there door. Roger

[resto4u]

I just looked at the pics again, not taken in wi. or mt. horeb, wi. Not sure what the florida auction connection is about? Roger

[Charley Lillard]

Maybe it has a Yenko door jamb tag.....That would make it simple.

[Stitch]

It's a bike shop in Wi...............

http://rollingthundercustoms.homestead.com/

Contact # matches ebay ad

[68YenkoMN]

I have talked with Tim about this car and he told me that the car is in Florida in storage. He also indicated that the car was a LA built car. no door tag. Is there something funny about the fender emblems placement?

[JoeC]

do you have a picture of the old hood that he mentions in ad?

[Unreal]

What's a "numbers matching engine" on a 68 Camaro 427? Is this one of the rumored 68 COPO 9561s?

[SamLBInj]

Its an automatic, I thought all 68's were 4-speed. Be interesting to see that POP, if it were real wouldnt you think he would show that for maximum bid results along with all the other numbers, I would...
Sam /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/burnout.gif

[rolling thunder]

from my understanding there were only 4 automatics built in 68 with 427 copo package only one other known to exist

[Jeff H]

What's the information on the P-O-P? Also, Yenko wouldn't have done anything with an LA built car, would they?

[rolling thunder]

to the best of our knowledge this is one of the rumored cars that slipped through the door factory built per yenko request.

[68YenkoMN]

were there any white cars sold? Also, when I talked to Tim about this car, he indicated that he thought the car was sold through Colonial Chev. Isn't that in VA. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif

[COPO]

rolling thunder, how about posting a picture of the P-O-P. Seems to be a very improtant item not to have shown in the ad??

[SamLBInj]

Just talked to Tims dad, he said they are changing the ad and putting in more photos...Also said that tim drove the car from Wisconson to south florida a couple weeks ago (long trip for a car like this!)..they just recently got this car. I got him to check out Kevin Suydams site and he said the original hood is like the 68 Dana Hood...Also said Motor has original Aluminum heads (L-88???)and the original color is white..I would definatly want to see this car in person before i popped in a 50-80K bid. With all this snow, a trip to Florida doesnt sound to bad /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif
Sam /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/burnout.gif

[SamLBInj]

Here is a link to the only known 68 copo
http://groups.msn.com/CaMaRoChiC/1968427yenkocopocamaro.msnw
Also L-72's have iron heads so a copo car would not come with aluminum heads as tims dad said came on the car from the factory, correct?
Sam /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/burnout.gif

[Jeff H]

I find it hard to believe they built an LA 427 car that early in the production year for 68. Almost all the 69 COPO's were Norwood cars. You would need to see the P-O-P and window sticker to see if it looks like they are original and legitimate.

[Mr. T]

I would agree with Sammy Z, there was only one double COPO 9561/9737 built in 68 and Don Yenko got it, and the only one known to exsist today. The 68 double COPO Camaro was a prototype for the 69.

[Mr. T]

It could be a 68 Camaro SS396(L78), with (L89 heads),COPO 9737, not coverted over to a 427 by Don Yenko. Would have to take a look at it. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif

[mas90241]

With so little known about Dana camaros, is it possibile this could be one of those cars? It being an LA built car and the hood design. Is the A/C system a modified factory unit or is it all aftermarket?

[SamLBInj]

[ QUOTE ]
I find it hard to believe they built an LA 427 car that early in the production year for 68. Almost all the 69 COPO's were Norwood cars. You would need to see the P-O-P and window sticker to see if it looks like they are original and legitimate.

[/ QUOTE ]
Are there such thing as 08B, 68 camaros? I thought production didnt start until Sept., Also, Chevy never put A/C in a car with Mechanical Lifters so whats up with that? /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif If owner says car is original and has window sticker and POP as proof than it would have had to come from the factory that way. So dealer installed is out. Lots of questions with this car. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif
Sam /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/burnout.gif

[dana man]

FROM THE THE #'S I HAVE RECIEVED FROM THE CAR , I BELIEVE IT TO BE A DANA CAR /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/worship.gif
it was a 427 transplant conversion done At DANA Chevrolet in Southgate CA,

[resto4u]

I thought he said it was a numbers matching 427 copo? window sticker and protecto plate says so? If it is a transplant, pop would not list the 427 option or the window sticker. Can we see pics of the pop and window sticker? The car will not sell for what it is worth without this info. Roger

[Kim_Howie]

I have a hard time with the factory auto trans and solid lifters, let alone a factory 427 ??

[dana man]

now im not 100% sure if it's a dana or a copo!!
if the car were a dana would it show the 427 option on the window sticker ?
i have a copy of the window sticker and the p.o.p and it does in fact state the 427 option !! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif(im /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gifstumped!!!!!!!!! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif

[MotownMadman]

Can you post a copy of each? If you dont know how you can Email them to me and I will post them. If you are going to Email let me know so I can provide the address of the Email I have with the most space.
Thanks,
Motown /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[Belair62]

If it was a Dana..it would show DANA on the window sticker..

[SuperNovaSS]

DANA MAN,

Are you the owner of the car? I just got an email from the seller and this is what he told me:

THE CAR AND THE PAPERWORK ARE IN FL, I HONESTLY DO NOT KNOW WHAT I HAVE ,I JUST PUT IT ON EBAY TO SELL IT TO MAKE THE MOVE WITH MY FAMILY BACK TO FL FROM WI, ( I MAY HAVE TO END THE AUCTION TO GET THE PROPER DOCUMENTATION TO SELL THE CAR FOR WHAT I HAVE FOUND OUT IT'S WORTH) I DID NOT KNOW THE CAR WAS A COPO UNTIL A CAR DEALERSHIP OWNER HAD INTEREST IN THE CAR AND RAN ALL THE #'S AND LOOKED THROUGH MY PAPERWORK , AND THANK GOD HE LET ME KNOW WHAT I HAD TO THE BEST OF HIS KNOWLEDGE.

How did you get pictures of the docs?


Jason

[Astock]

The seller has 2 pictures of a repop door panel in the auction and none of the window sticker, pop or Dana hood...oops,I meant Southgate hood.

[SamLBInj]

[ QUOTE ]
DANA MAN,

Are you the owner of the car? I just got an email from the seller and this is what he told me:

THE CAR AND THE PAPERWORK ARE IN FL, I HONESTLY DO NOT KNOW WHAT I HAVE ,I JUST PUT IT ON EBAY TO SELL IT TO MAKE THE MOVE WITH MY FAMILY BACK TO FL FROM WI, ( I MAY HAVE TO END THE AUCTION TO GET THE PROPER DOCUMENTATION TO SELL THE CAR FOR WHAT I HAVE FOUND OUT IT'S WORTH) I DID NOT KNOW THE CAR WAS A COPO UNTIL A CAR DEALERSHIP OWNER HAD INTEREST IN THE CAR AND RAN ALL THE #'S AND LOOKED THROUGH MY PAPERWORK , AND THANK GOD HE LET ME KNOW WHAT I HAD TO THE BEST OF HIS KNOWLEDGE.

How did you get pictures of the docs?


Jason


[/ QUOTE ]

I think he was quoting the ad. I do not think he has the documentation, Correct?
Sam /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/burnout.gif

[JoeC]

sounds like owner should hire a pro car detective to find out what it is /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif

[Kim_Howie]

Put the paper work up! End of the problem, period.

[supergonzo]

Look at the registered dates of the posters on this subject.
There are at least 2 guys who just registered to this forum within days of this being posted??? All indicating somehow that the car is real. Does that sound suspicious??? Does to me.

An Factory 427 auto car with A/C from Calif with no documention??? I don't think so.

[Tim Greer]

[ QUOTE ]
Look at the registered dates of the posters on this subject.
There are at least 2 guys who just registered to this forum within days of this being posted??? All indicating somehow that the car is real. Does that sound suspicious??? Does to me.

An Factory 427 auto car with A/C from Calif with no documention??? I don't think so.




[/ QUOTE ]

I'd assume the board moderators (otherwise the site admin) could easily check the IPs to perhaps get some idea if the two new people are the same. I don't know that someone on Ebay (even though there's potentially a lot of money in it for them) has that high of a potential of posting on this and other various web boards where people might be posting about it. I could be wrong. Like others said, the guy says what he has, he should support those claims and show people the papers. Beyond that, it may as well not be the real deal anyway, so that's that. :-)

[Stuart Adams]

The RESERVE is met so lets see what happens now! I have talked to the owner, no POP yet, he doesn't know or anyone else what he really has. After him stating on ebay all that he has, now with the RESERVE met he I hope he has what he claims to have. He mentioned ending the auction early to get the facts straight about the car then re-list it. It should be interesting- hopefully the ending will be good, a legit car, and a car that will be found and saved.

[camarojoe]

Hey, Its "the nicest camaro of its kind in the world"! What more could you ask for? /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

[Stuart Adams]

This picture to me has many holes. He has strong statements about numbers and no rust, etc. Like he knows the car, but does not supply the NEEDED items to clear the air. I would think he would want to show the needed doc's because it would add value to his sale. For someone to pay 50K or more with out the doc's seems ridiculous, unless the high bidder( maybe the person the owner states that told him what he has afer seeing the doc's)knows what's up.

[SamLBInj]

[ QUOTE ]
now im not 100% sure if it's a dana or a copo!!
if the car were a dana would it show the 427 option on the window sticker ?
i have a copy of the window sticker and the p.o.p and it does in fact state the 427 option !! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif(im /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gifstumped!!!!!!!!! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif

[/ QUOTE ]
I have just figured out that you are the cars owner...Now if you dont know what it is than who would...do you have the documents or what? what gives here...why dont you post copies of the documents and Im sure people here would be happy to help you out, if your car turns out to be real, you will get alot more than 50K...
Sam /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/burnout.gif

[Jeff H]

So has anyone received copies of any of the information on this car? There still aren't any pictures of the P-O-P or window sticker on the auction and it's at $50K.

[SamLBInj]

[ QUOTE ]
So has anyone received copies of any of the information on this car? There still aren't any pictures of the P-O-P or window sticker on the auction and it's at $50K.

[/ QUOTE ]
I called, e-mailed, and even popped a couple notes in bottles and floated em out but still no answers /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif...I think the owner was misinformed by somebody as to what it is and he still doesent know what it is /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif...all I know, A/C, 08 Build,=stay away..if I had proof of a 68, 1 of 4 copo, I couldnt scan and post the pictures fast enough, if it is real he is leaving at least a 100k on the table, nobody is that stupid, are they?
Sam /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/burnout.gif

[Unreal]

Someone paid $50,000 for the car. The seller is either smart or stupid, and so is the buyer. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif

[jg95z28]

If the buyer is smart they'll ask to see the documentation on the car, which the seller claimed to have in the auction description. If the seller doesn't come through the buyer will have justification for not going through with the purchase.

[ALUMINUM FAB]

Im the owner this is what I think the car is a 9561, I wish that some of the people on this site would help me out in finding out what the car is.

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[ALUMINUM FAB]

GEORGE is a personal friend he had someone run the vin #'s and just from that he came back saying the car came from dana.

in saying that should my window sticker state the 427 option like it does /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif

[ALUMINUM FAB]

why waist your time /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/Charley.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/Charley.gif

[ALUMINUM FAB]

get a life /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif

[Mr. T]

With the paperwork, we can help you!! Scan and post it!

[Belair62]

Aluminum.....what I was saying is doesn't your window sticker show it as being from Dana ?

[JChlupsa]

Help no problem, how bout some pics of the POP and the paperwork for the car along with any known history

[Unreal]

You registered today, and you are already alienating folks, here. You're supposed to wait at least until the second day! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

People here will try to help you figure out what you have, but you gotta give them something to help with.

To modify a well known phrase a little.... Documentation talks, Bullsh!t walks.

[Jeff H]

If someone ran the VIN through NICB then yes, it could be confirmed that the car was delivered to Dana Chevrolet. As for the window sticker showing the 427 option, there's no way a factory window sticker would show the 427 option since there was no RPO for it. Therefore I would assume it is probably a Dana created window sticker. If you can post a picture of the window sticker, the trim tag and protect-o-plate, then people will be able to help verify if it is real GM documentation or not.

[Charley Lillard]

He sold the Car so I think he is just telling us off in his own way. Looks like maybe somebody got a Dana for 50K.

[Chevy454]

BTW...for those scoring at home:

dana man (http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/showprofile.php?Cat=&User=1438&Number=60264&Board= UBB3&what=showflat&page=0&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=&f part=2&vc=1) = ALUMINUM FAB (http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/showprofile.php?Cat=&User=1459&Number=61249&Board= UBB3&what=showflat&page=0&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=&f part=3&vc=1)

[Astock]

It's scary to think there is real bids on a $7500 car.

[ALUMINUM FAB]

[ QUOTE ]
It's scary to think there is real bids on a $7500 car.

[/ QUOTE ]
QUIT SMOKIN THAT STUFF ,IT'S GETTING TO YA /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif

[ALUMINUM FAB]

[ QUOTE ]
He sold the Car so I think he is just telling us off in his own way. Looks like maybe somebody got a Dana for 50K.

[/ QUOTE ]
IM NOT TELLING YOU GUYS OFF, JUST SOME OF THE IDIOT'S, I HAVE NOT SOLD THE CAR YET,IT'S WORTH MORE THAN 50K /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/worship.gif

[ALUMINUM FAB]

[ QUOTE ]
If someone ran the VIN through NICB then yes, it could be confirmed that the car was delivered to Dana Chevrolet. As for the window sticker showing the 427 option, there's no way a factory window sticker would show the 427 option since there was no RPO for it. Therefore I would assume it is probably a Dana created window sticker. If you can post a picture of the window sticker, the trim tag and protect-o-plate, then people will be able to help verify if it is real GM documentation or not.

[/ QUOTE ]

THANKS FOR THE INFO /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/scholar.gif,LEAVE ME YOUR EMAIL ADDRESS AND I WILL SEND YOU A COPY OF THE P.O.P AND STICKER /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif

[resto4u]

Alum fab,I sent you a PM. Thanks,Roger

[69LM1]

How could you have "not sold the car yet it is worth more than 50K" if the reserve was met? If I was the high bidder, I would be pretty hot right now.
Rich

[GMH454]

Unless he put in a bid to help him get $50,000 because he hopes, to create a "known " value on his $7,500" car.

A little amatuerish with the Dana Man etc., but a good try, giving us better entertainment than "look what I found in a barn"

Oh by the way i'll save him the trouble /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/Charley.gif

[ALUMINUM FAB]

[ QUOTE ]
Unless he put in a bid to help him get $50,000 because he hopes, to create a "known " value on his $7,500" car.

A little amatuerish with the Dana Man etc., but a good try, giving us better entertainment than "look what I found in a barn"

Oh by the way i'll save him the trouble /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/Charley.gif

[/ QUOTE ]

ARE YOU A FAT GIRL WITH NO FRIENDS OR WHAT /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

[camarojoe]

We aren't ever going to see this mystery POP or window sticker are we? /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif

[MotownMadman]

Aluminum Fab.
No disrespect intended, but through research I preformed on your car of a method of which I can not disclose without opening a can of worms your car was not a dealer conversion that was ever recorded. Does that mean it is not possible, no, anything is possible but in this case I believe it to be highly unlikely. If you have reason to believe it is by all means keep digging, never say never. If you would like to respond please do so in a respectful manner as I am on probation on this site and I really dont want Charley to get out his can of whup ass on me.
Thanks,
Motown /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[jfkheat]

[ QUOTE ]
BTW...for those scoring at home:

dana man (http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/showprofile.php?Cat=&User=1438&Number=60264&Board= UBB3&what=showflat&page=0&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=&f part=2&vc=1) = ALUMINUM FAB (http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/showprofile.php?Cat=&User=1459&Number=61249&Board= UBB3&what=showflat&page=0&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=&f part=3&vc=1)

[/ QUOTE ]

Is this also ROLLING THUNDER?
James

[Stuart Adams]

Matt, your method , I won't tell. That is not my point, there seems to be a large cloud of suspicion over this car(for good reasons discussed), that should be enough to doubt it. POP/ Paperwork/ History - easy stuff to post (if owner has them) to clear the air. Why highlite the documentation in the auction and not provide to potential buyers. For me there is only one reason not to. People just don't realize the help, wealth of knowledge, financial resources, restorers, etc. to ASSIST them here at this site. What better site to sell or get the word out on a SUPERCAR for sale.

[GMH454]

"on a Super Car for Sale " /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/haha.gif

Or even a Supercar Wannabe.

[Astock]

JFK,
Well,all 3 build Schwinn's with Rolling Thunder painted on the frames. And,they all write using lower case or CAPS.
I think it's safe to say they are one and the same 15 yr old.

[resto4u]

It has been relisted. High bidder backed out. If this car is not what you say, this bidder also has the legal right to walk also. Be honest! Now the "high bidders can view the pop, window sticker." What is this crap? Bid and see the documents, then retract your bid. Show all documents to all! Alum fab, was this car bought at "can't drive 55" ? Roger

[supergonzo]

Hmmmm. Like I said before...."now there are at least 3 guys all claiming to be the owner of this car".......suspicious???

Its obvious to me this is a fake. Would a guy who had documentation of a real COPO be running this circus??
Hello Mcfly???

[jg95z28]

Why only offer to show the documentation to the high bidder? If the documentation shows its real, it will most certainly drive up the bids significantly. The only reason not to show the docs is because its not what its being represented as.... just like the 68 RS Camaro in eBay right now with a 69 trim tag. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/no.gif

[Belair62]

But there is a really cool Cave attraction in his home town.Cave of the Blue Mounds....

[resto4u]

Very true belair, for those who likes caves. Cave of the mounds. Roger

[Kim_Howie]

I said right from the first /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/bs.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/bs.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/bs.gif Prove me wrong!

[Kurt S]

New auction is: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2449013331

So, I was high bidder (twice), requested the documentation, his ebay email bounces, and no response from his other email.
Alum-fab, what up???

[Eli]

Another approach to consider....the seller states the following:

"THIS IS A REAL 427 COPO CAMARO , THERE WERE 68 MADE IN 68 , 4 OF WHICH WERE AUTOMATIC, THIS 1 OF THE 4!"

To quote specifics like this it would appear that the owner has a list of 68 427 COPO camaro's built in 1968 and can place his car on this list. So.....who's got the list?

Is there such a list? Inquiring minds want to know.

[SamLBInj]

[ QUOTE ]
Another approach to consider....the seller states the following:

"THIS IS A REAL 427 COPO CAMARO , THERE WERE 68 MADE IN 68 , 4 OF WHICH WERE AUTOMATIC, THIS 1 OF THE 4!"

To quote specifics like this it would appear that the owner has a list of 68 427 COPO camaro's built in 1968 and can place his car on this list. So.....who's got the list?

Is there such a list? Inquiring minds want to know.


[/ QUOTE ]
Im sure the list is attached to the POP and window sticker /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif
Sam /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/burnout.gif

[Astock]

Pre-Fab,
Congrats on your first Ebay feedback. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[Eli]

Not sure if the comment "congrats on your first e-bay feedback" is pointed toward me. Hope not. Though I post rarely, I visit often.

Another way of saying that would be as follows:

"I am not the owner of the car nor associated with the owner in any way."

I am, however, bidding on the car and was looking for help from anyone here who had an honest perspective. As a novice in this field (my father had a Yenko for a short period of time and sold it to my benefit) I was simply trying to see if there was a chance of authenticity on this car. My reasons for pursuing a car like this have been posted in a previous thread.

Lastly, I really like this forum and greatly appreciate the the learning opportunities it provides. I apologize if I offended anyone with my question.

Eli

[Astock]

It was not directed towards you, Eli. I would pass on this car.I should have adressed my comment to maybe one of his other names.I know this thread has gotten a little confusing at times.

[Steve_Hoog]

Another private auction, cute.

[JoeC]

Here is my honest perspective on this car. The ad ìsounds interestingî because of the 140 speedo and his description of the spare hood but very careful investigation would be needed to determine if it is a real car. Many of the 1968 Yenko Camaros were COPO 9738 L78 (396) Camaros with 140 speedo that were converted and sold as 427 Camaros and some were sold as special 396 Camaros. I donít know if Dana had any of the 1968 COPO 9738 L78 (396) Camaros but could have. Any proof that it is really a 1968 427 COPO Camaro would be quite interesting. The statement that 68 427 Camaros were built in 1968 is in my opinion untrue. There is some indication that some 427 Camaros were built as there is paperwork showing EPA certification on them and Yenko advertised his 1968 427 Camaros as EPA certified. I have not seen any solid documentation that Yenko received any factory built 1968 427 COPO Camaros but may be a few were made. Since a 140 speedo could have been retrofitted in any 68 Camaro, you canít document the car on that one component alone. I would need to see the advertised documentation on this car for further investigation.

[SamLBInj]

The fact that it has A/C kinda tells you it couldnt be a L-78. The person who won the car on the last auction said the guy couldnt come up with the paperwork. This could be why, 1. After he listed the car he started reading up on what his car may be and what it could be worth so he didnt want to sell the car at a measly 50K and simply blew off the high bidder by telling him there is no documentaion , or 2. He is BSing about all the documentaion and just loves to play with auctions and give E-Bay money. Or 3. The documentation will suddenly appear when the high bid is up in the stratosphere. If he does get more than 50k for this car and suddenly finds the documentation I think the first winning bidder would have a pretty nice lawsuite. I personally think the whole deal is /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/bs.gif
On another note, a guy here in jersey was selling a couple 427 camaros that started off as 6 cylinders but I cant remember if they were Motions or Danas, Im pretty sure they were danas and if they were what does all this mean /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif Ill look for the ads and post it if I can find them..
Sam /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/burnout.gif

[SuperNovaSS]

From his new auction it sounds like it may be a car put together from a wrecked 69 COPO at best, since the rear and engine codes seem to be 69 according to the new auction(confusing auction to say the least). I'm not sure but the at the top of the new auction the owner seems to have entered the POP info, but doesn't mention it. This seems very deceiving and allows for deniability. Also, what is with the CX on the block, did he hear about a CX trans and think it was to be stamped on the block? /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif Owner, if you are listening, I don't want any trim tag numbers, I just want to know if it is a magic mirror trim tag or not. Also can we get a picture of the back of the speedo. Was the car an original A/C car or was it converted(no heater box pic). If you want the money out of the car be nice and someone here will probably buy it. This is the place to come to sell a supercar and not get jacked around. By the way guys, I don't think any of these "owners" that have been posting have anything to do with the car. The posts are quite childish, unless the seller is a child, or at least acts like one. Has anyone received a email back for the real seller or talked to him on the phone. I have only received the form letter I posted earlier. I was a serious player on the car but it seems a little to slippery for me now. There are snakes in this grass, don't get bit! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif
:jeff is the man: :charleyrocks: :aluminumfabblows:

[Eli]

"Has anyone received a email back for the real seller or talked to him on the phone.

I spoke with the seller (or someone stating they were the seller) yesterday. The call was in response to an e-mail I sent. I used the e-mail address in the ad, which is [email protected]. Hope this helps.

I think that I am supposed to close this e-mail by saying that someone sucks????

Eli /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

[Jeff H]

JoeC, I believe that the paperwork showing the EPA certification for the 68 427 option was much later in the year than this car. This car is an early 68(Aug or Sep) so there's no way this car came with a 427 if the 427 certification occured later in the year. It sounds like this car has a complete 69 COPO drivetrain in it though. If it does, he should find the 69 partial VIN on the block near the oil filter area and try to locate that car. Makes me wonder if he has the window sticker and p-o-p of a 69 COPO that someone sold him in a 68 body! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif

[SuperNovaSS]

Jeff,

Those were my thoughts exactly. I still think it is a cool car! Just might not be original

[SuperNovaSS]

Rear antenna with a spoiler is also a shy away sign for me too. Wonder is the build sheet shows spoiler. I guess now he'll have to make a new one. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/haha.gif


Jason

[camarojoe]

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Also can we get a picture of the back of the speedo.

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Back of the speedo? heck, I'd be happy to see a pic of the FRONT of the speedometer... /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

[ALUMINUM FAB]

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Also can we get a picture of the back of the speedo.

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Back of the speedo? heck, I'd be happy to see a pic of the FRONT of the speedometer... /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

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[censored] ALL YOU GUYS THE CAR IS NOT FOR SALE /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/3gears.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/3gears.gif

[SamLBInj]

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Rear antenna with a spoiler is also a shy away sign for me too. Wonder is the build sheet shows spoiler. I guess now he'll have to make a new one. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/haha.gif
Jason

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Car is all original but at the top of the page the rear is listed as BE 4.10, at the bottom it is listed as 12 bolt 3.73 /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif The kid keeps asking for help but wont show the documents...it come down to this.. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/bs.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/bs.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/bs.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/bs.gif
Sam /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/burnout.gif

[JChlupsa]

Maybe not for sale but trade for a few cars from what I understand.

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[Mr. T]

Well he is online now, maybe we should ask him!! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/haha.gif

[SamLBInj]

[censored] ALL YOU GUYS THE CAR IS NOT FOR SALE /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/3gears.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/3gears.gif

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Come on Tim, you have proof or not /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif Why are you playing games...Put up or shut up and change your ad.
Sam /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/burnout.gif

[jfkheat]

Just noticed the high bidder in his 1st auction gave him a negative feedback so he retaliated with a negative for him, foul language and all. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/bs.gif This guy is a real piece of work.
James

[mike32]

[censored] ALL YOU GUYS THE CAR IS NOT FOR SALE /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/3gears.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/3gears.gif

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/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/haha.gifLOSER /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbsdown.gif

[Kurt S]

What he meant to say is he ended the auction.
He seems to have a language problem. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

No way is this car real, too early and no WS would show 427 on it.

And David Heath's car is just a regular 68 Yenko. All but the first few 68's were COPO's (but not COPO 427's).

[Mr. T]

So this "so-called" 68 COPO that was up for sale on Ebay just fizzled out? Too bad, would have been fun to look at the documents, that's if there were documents.

[Speedrx]

The owner sent me an email saying the winning bidder never contacted him and I could buy the car for $50K. All I needed to do was wire him $25K within 24 hours and the balance due at delivery. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/no.gif I said to fax or email me a copy of all the documentation on the car before I send any money - he never did. I sent him an email a few days later asking where the documents are and he said the car is sold. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif

Does anyone know who got the car (if it really sold) and what documents did they got? I am assuming the owner found out it was not real and was was not ready to accept this fact so he pulled the car to resell at a later time.

[SamLBInj]

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The owner sent me an email saying the winning bidder never contacted him and I could buy the car for $50K. All I needed to do was wire him $25K within 24 hours and the balance due at delivery. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/no.gif I said to fax or email me a copy of all the documentation on the car before I send any money - he never did. I sent him an email a few days later asking where the documents are and he said the car is sold. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif

Does anyone know who got the car (if it really sold) and what documents did they got? I am assuming the owner found out it was not real and was was not ready to accept this fact so he pulled the car to resell at a later time.

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Sam

[Mr. T]

What a joke!! Is the car for sale or not? Dang, how hard is it to send documents by e-mail or fax, not very!! Obviously after all this time, the car is not a bonified COPO. Case closed!

[GTO_DON]

ive just seen the car for sale on another web site advertised for 75k!!!!!!!!!!!I DONT BELIEVE ITS SOLD! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/scholar.gif

[Mr. T]

Don,

Just out of curiosity, what is the web address?

[Leonard]

What paperwork or documentation does he have for this car? Seller states that he has it. Provide the paperwork and problem solved. From the paperwork he has on this car will tell if the car is bogus unless the paperwork is fake and most individuals on this site will know that. HUMMM. Is it possible that this is a fake car with the fake documentation? Deception may be taking another step in the collector car market. Ahh the computer age. High tech printers. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif

[55chevy]

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ive just seen the car for sale on another web site advertised for 75k!!!!!!!!!!!I DONT BELIEVE ITS SOLD! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/scholar.gif

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[dana man]

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/worship.gif

[dana man]

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May want to check this out. What does everyone think? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif" alt="" />http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=6161&item=24471590 07

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see WANTED ( CAR DETECTIVE)ON 68 CAMARO to know whats going on.

[Leonard]

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif Thank you dana man http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/worship.gif There are alot of guys here on this site that will help you out on this car. Its sounds like it could be an interesting car. Lets hope for the best. Welcome to this site. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif

[JChlupsa]

with # different threads about the same car lets keep it to one, Please post on the below thread now.

Mahalo
http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/showthreaded.php?Cat=&Number=63667&page=0&view=col lapsed&sb=5&o=&fpart=1