Looking for 73 Trans Am Super Duty pics

[Charley Lillard]

Looking for pics or where to look on the net.

[micky69396]

I have some on my site http://www.haleperformance.com/trans-am.htm

[Jeff H]

I love that 73 front end. I'm a big fan of the 73 SD, not as much of the 74.

[Fhakya]

Personally, I'm looking for more pics of 73-74 SD Formula's. I've got a few on the hard drive but am always looking for more.
74's (http://www.transamtech.com/74sd_index.shtml)
73's (http://www.transamtech.com/73sd_index.shtml)

-Mark

[micky69396]

I like the 73's myself. I dont like the nose on the 74 and a few other items. I really like this 70 RA4 I am working on now, it should be a real looker when done.

[ChrisB]

Not sure of what exactly you could be looking for. Here is a page with my 73 SD Trans Am on it. The car is almost returned back to original "look" condition. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
Chris
http://www.geocities.com/wrenchplus/lindsay73detail.html
Don't mind the "extra mopar shots" title. I was going to trash the page and help a friend with some mopar stuff but decided to make a new page for him and I never got around to changing this back.

[MosportGreen66]

WOW! Nice Trans Am. I absolutely love those honey comb wheels! Did you do the work on the car yourself?

[Charley Lillard]

Cool Car..I also found a Super Duty fact and pic page... Super Duty Page (http://www.transamtech.com/73sd_index.html)

[ChrisB]

mosport, I did as much of the work that I possibly could. Only thing I didn't do was the paint.
Chris

[MosportGreen66]

Nice Work/Nice Car!

[AutoInsane]

Charley? Feeling like the ole garege is a wee bit too empty????? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif

[Charley Lillard]

I got one, just needs a little TLC.

[Fhakya]

I have to say that ChrisB's SD is gorgeous! Chris, I met you through a friend of a friend up at Ruttle's one night (I was the 2nd gen F-body fan w/ a pony tail...Mark). Didn't you have a 74 also? I seem to remember that you were going to sell one of your's for a newer Hurst or Anniversary T/A. Still have another SD?
-Mark

[GTO_DON]

i have a friend in florida who has a 73 t/a 455[non sd] with 23,000 miles on it! brewster green,black deluxe int.he might sell. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/burnout.gif

[Bandit]

Hey GTO DON, you know my buddy Bill M.
He is a long time friend of mine. Great guy, great cars+++

[Charley Lillard]

What I just drug Home. 73 SD. Was one owner till a few weeks ago. Needs some TLC..The first pic is of it in its best light. Sold new at Central Pontiac in Seattle.

[Charley Lillard]

Rear

[Charley Lillard]

Bird

[Charley Lillard]

Engine

[Charley Lillard]

Guages

[Charley Lillard]

Interior

[MrsBillyBobcat]

Nice "Bird" Charley!

I love that car in <font color="red"> red </font> http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif

Rita http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

[DaJudge]

Nice SD car Charley.Buccaneer red is the @#$% on those cars. Looks like all the right stuff is all there. Nice original Formula wheel. Show us some pics after the TLC.
http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/3gears.gif

[micky69396]

Looks real nice to start with. Almost a twin to the one I did a while back except for the A/C and auto.

[Charley Lillard]

Maybe you wanna do it for me really cheap since you are so familiar......... http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif

[micky69396]

Depends what your definition of cheap is. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif We can do it though. Had a few cool T/A's come thru here.

[ChrisB]

Hi Mark, you'll have to pardon me for not remembering.
Yes, Had a 74 SD as well as the Lucerne Blue 455 HO 4 Spd 1972 Trans Am. That car wasn't for sale but I was offered a price I couldn't refuse.
I didn't buy anything new though.
Chris

[yellowjudge]

Hi Chris. Are you planning to get any more TAs? I picked up 2 71s. Both are real nice orig. cars. 1 is M-22 car. 1 owner. eric from pittsburgh http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/flag.gif

[tom406]

Hmmmmm...call me a cynic, but I think this is Charley's passive-aggressive marketing effort to sell this cool restoration project to one of the Pontiac geeks who have gravitated to the board in recent months. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

Passive (I need some pics and info for this TLC-needing car)
Aggressive (oh, BTW, here's every picture you need to decide this one-owner diamond in the rough should be your next project)

Hey, aforementioned Pontiac geeks, can you confirm that the John Wayne cop movie featuring one of these cars in my town of Seattle was "McQ", and was it a Brewster Green non-SD? 4speed or auto? THANKS!

TOM

[yellowjudge]

I'm not sure about "pontiac geeks", but the green TA in McQ, was a non SD I think. As far the sales "thing", Charlie- Tuna?, You kind of lost me. Unless you mean the 73 will be for sale? There is alot more collectors going into to the pontiac world. I think this is great, should bring more diversity into the hobby. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/flag.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif

[GTO_DON]

automatic http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/scholar.gif

[tom406]

Thanks for the McQ trivia.

Please don't read the "geek" terminology as a slam. I use it as a sarcastic term of endearment. I've been a total car geek since I was a toddler. My userID, tom406, is based on the most dear to me of the number of FORDS I've owned-but I like everything, including Pontiacs and a whole bunch of pre-musclecar-era stuff like 30's Packards and 50's finned cars, to say nothing of my station wagon fetish. I don't bemoan the new faces on here, its just apparent by the userID's and the caliber of rare cars these guys own or owned, that they take their Pontiacs seriously.

I'm sure Charley Lillard would be happy to sell the '73 SD to someone with good intentions , a neat trade, and/or enough money. I'm just needling him a little for presenting it here and not in the CARS FOR SALE section. Maybe he will restore the darn thing, it is <font color="red">RED </font>after all, so it won't disrupt the color vibe in the BARN. But wasn't he the guy needling the Pontiac guys just a few days ago? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[Charley Lillard]

Thats because the Pontiac Guys Suck.....Just kidding. Actually the last Pontiac I restored was a 70 SJ 455 4 spd. Grand Prix. Cool car but slow. No I'm not trying to sell the SD. My big decision is ...1-do the car myself to a lessor degree than I know someone like Micky can do....2-Beg Micky to do it cheap http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif since by the time it is finished it won't be worth what I have in it...3-Just build the engine myself and have it painted and drive it. The third option is the easiest except in reality I probably won't drive it much and I also think this car is so untouched in many areas that it is important for someone like Micky to do so all those details can be referred to for other restorations. This car looks great but my hair is getting Grayer and I lately don't seem to have the enthuasium to tear into a car. I think of all those Guys that have beeen collecting projects to build when they retire. By the time they retire they either don't have the Physical abilities to do them or the desire. Or they have moved on in life to other interests.

[SamLBInj]

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Thats because the Pontiac Guys Suck.....Just kidding. Actually the last Pontiac I restored was a 70 SJ 455 4 spd. Grand Prix. Cool car but slow. No I'm not trying to sell the SD. My big decision is ...1-do the car myself to a lessor degree than I know someone like Micky can do....2-Beg Micky to do it cheap http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif since by the time it is finished it won't be worth what I have in it...3-Just build the engine myself and have it painted and drive it. The third option is the easiest except in reality I probably won't drive it much and I also think this car is so untouched in many areas that it is important for someone like Micky to do so all those details can be referred to for other restorations. This car looks great but my hair is getting Grayer and I lately don't seem to have the enthuasium to tear into a car. I think of all those Guys that have beeen collecting projects to build when they retire. By the time they retire they either don't have the Physical abilities to do them or the desire. Or they have moved on in life to other interests.

[/ QUOTE ]
It seems by reading into your post that you are turning all gray and crusty and are about to get an estimate from your local undertaker. Sooo,can you see your way clear to sending some of those red and yellow cars? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif
Geeze, one minute I see a video of you melting tires in your driveway and the next your barely able to rock your rocking chair...what gives? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif
Sam

[Charley Lillard]

Doing a Resto on a car is alot different than just driving the Cr*p out of one. I spend enough time just keeping them running. I already spend a bunch of time just working on what I have. Yes I could probably do just about everything except paint but I don't think I have the patience to do the research to make sure I get every detail right. I have a real appreciation for those Resto Guys that do put that extra effort in to get the little stuff right. So I could do the engine and have it painted but it would be a # 2 type car. This car at some point will get a correct resto so in essence the work I do would have to be repeated again anyway....I have had this discussion with myself before. Last one I did was a 63 Vette about a Year ago. Before that was a 65 Shelby GT 350 that I chose to send off for a Resto that has been going on for 2 Years....I dunno...I guess I just think this car is so neat that it deserves better than I would give it if I did it myself. Ask me again tomorrow and I might give you a different answer.

[SamLBInj]

[ QUOTE ]
Doing a Resto on a car is alot different than just driving the Cr*p out of one. I spend enough time just keeping them running. I already spend a bunch of time just working on what I have. Yes I could probably do just about everything except paint but I don't think I have the patience to do the research to make sure I get every detail right. I have a real appreciation for those Resto Guys that do put that extra effort in to get the little stuff right. So I could do the engine and have it painted but it would be a # 2 type car. This car at some point will get a correct resto so in essence the work I do would have to be repeated again anyway....I have had this discussion with myself before. Last one I did was a 63 Vette about a Year ago. Before that was a 65 Shelby GT 350 that I chose to send off for a Resto that has been going on for 2 Years....I dunno...I guess I just think this car is so neat that it deserves better than I would give it if I did it myself. Ask me again tomorrow and I might give you a different answer.

[/ QUOTE ]
I was just trying to fire you up a little and it seemed to work http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif Feels good dont it! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/burnout.gif
Those restos take time dont they, I had a 40 ford sitting in a shop years ago waiting for paint and a few parts, took almost 5 years to get it finished right..When is the shelby suppose to be finished?
Sam http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[GOAT72]

[ QUOTE ]
<font color="red"> I guess I just think this car is so neat that it deserves better than I would give it if I did it myself. Ask me again tomorrow and I might give you a different answer. </font>

[/ QUOTE ]

Charley,
I was a senior in HS when that car came out and the Buccaneer red was the ultimate. I had soured on the GTO because of the severe body change in '73 (it turned into a battleship), so the Trans Am was the car I HAD to have.

As soon as I had a fairly-decent full time job, I bought a brand new '75 T/A, and I would KILL to have an SD455 red Trans Am!!
You are lucky, man!
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~GOAT72

[Charley Lillard]

I think the Shelby will be finished by Summer. It is at the point where it is just a big puzzle that needs to be put back together. Almost all the parts are there and refinished, the car is painted, engine rebuilt etc...

[StealthBird]

Pontiac geeks?

[micky69396]

If I was you I would do it right and sign up to get on the waiting list and send it to that guy in Ohio who knows Pontiacs (as well as Chevys) http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif

[Steve_Hoog]

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/CharleySucks.gif

And now we need a Micky sucks too....

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[yellowjudge]

Hi Charlie, I have a guy here who does nothing but SDs. He has done them for 25 yrs. He just did my 71 455 HO 71 TA I got in Wash. Email me if you need his #. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/flag.gif

[Charley Lillard]

Just steamed cleaned the car.. Found LS2 written in Crayon on the bottom side of the core support...

[Charley Lillard]

Floors

[Charley Lillard]

What is this fitting valve thing ?

[Charley Lillard]

what does this "G" mean on the diff ?

[yellowjudge]

That's neat, they wrote engine code there. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/flag.gif

[micky69396]

LS 2 is common for the SD cars in 73 on the rad support. I think the valve under the engine may be some Calif. emissions type thing, Nice car.

[Steve_Hoog]

Charley

Interesting valve that I have never seen, is there a GM type casting on it?

[Charley Lillard]

I will go take it off and get a better look.. Since the Pontiac guys don't know, I wonder if it is the remains of one of those quick oil drain things....

[Steve_Hoog]

That looked fuel line related, and for it to mount on the timing cover like that with the angle it makes me wonder. Not too many aftermarket companies would engineer that funny angle.

[Charley Lillard]

I took it off and cleaned it. It is not a oil change thingy. The large cup section has a freeze type plug in it Here are better pics.

[Charley Lillard]

other side

[budnate]

Charley, that is a reverse modulator for the vacuum assisted muffler bearing, only installed on Washington cars due to some new law about keeping the state green, want to sell the pos???

Bud.

[JoeC]

could that be what's left of a block heater that had heater hose connected to it? They had a heat coil and 110 cord to plug into the house.

[Charley Lillard]

No.. It is complete the way you see it. The fuel lines run right by it so I'm thinking maybe the fuel hose or fuel return hose was supposed to hook up to it. Maybe some type of accumulator..The bolt holding it looked to be factory. Wierd.

[Steve_Hoog]

Charley

As you can see, Bud has been looking at his avatar just a little too long!!!

I don't know what it is, but I'm curious. I will ask our shop foreman first thing tomorrow, he's been working on the Pontiacs since early 70's. If it's factory, hopefully he'll know.

Steve

[bwag]

Charley That part is an accumulator The V-8s had a gasline knock that sounded like an engine knock This was installed at assembly line to cure the problem The 73 Pontiac manual shows the gas hoses routed thru the accumulator

[Charley Lillard]

Thanks....I learn something new everyday...Problem is I forget even more every day.

[bwag]

Charley I bypassed some accums because of gas leaks,so i wouldnt hook it back up. I spent a few years at a Pontiac dealership.

[yellowjudge]

I have a 71 TA, sold new in Yakima, WA. did they have these in 71? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/flag.gif

[Steve_Hoog]

Charley

Bwag is right on, there was a campaign on this even. Partech is trying to find the campaign number and part number for you. I'll let you know if they have any luck. Our records only went back to 84.

[gemleeus]

i would love to have a 69 t/a r/a4

[gemleeus]

you lucky devil

[Charley Lillard]

Ripping and tearing..

[micky69396]

What you going to do, just a quick detail?

[yellowjudge]

The 69 RAIV TAs are really special cars. I've had my 69 RAIV TA, since 95. It is a all 100% #s match, superclean rustfree car. I had a concourse resto done w/all nos. These cars have really gone out of site. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/flag.gif

[Pantera]

What brand four post is that. I am looking at getting one or two if the price is right and need to know what to look out for? I am leary of the Tiwann motor powered ones.

[Dave Rifkin]

I have what may be a stupid question but here goes anyway. My parents bought a 1973 Trans Am, red with white interior, 4-spd A/C, a really nice car. Here's the question; I noticed in Charlie's pictures that his car has A/C but there are no A/C vents in the engine turned dash applique like my parents car had. Would this be something specific to the SD cars or was the A/C added by the original owner?

[Charley Lillard]

My Lift is a Backyard Buddy. Got engine pretty much apart today and water sitting in a cylinder had rusted the cylinder wall so engine would only rotate till it ih the rust buildup. Std bore.

[Charley Lillard]

Matching Vin stamped on front of block next to timing cover below the lower Rad hose.

[Charley Lillard]

big exhaust manifolds. There is no provision to put a couple of exhaust bolts in because they are so big.

[Charley Lillard]

Very clean inside overall. Do all the Pontiac blocks have all that webbing around the lifter bores ?

[Jeff H]

It always amazed me how bad the Chevy exhaust manifolds are compared to the Pontiac exhaust.

[Fhakya]

Okay, that's it! Screw Donald Trump...I want to be 1st to volunteer: "The Intern; Musclecar reality TV" for Charley. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/burnout.gif

[Steve Shauger]

You sure know how to make a mess. Will the block need to be bored or just honed.

[BUIZILLA]

Ram Air Restorations makes an excellent repro manifold with the additional bolt features. Looks much http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/headbang.gifbetter than original. True 2.5" outlet too...

Jim

[Charley Lillard]

..Intern ? You mean I could have conned somebody besides me to do this ? Hmmmm. Free ?

[Charley Lillard]

Buzilla..Does Ram Air Restorations have a web site ? Paceme..The one cylinder was pretty pitted so it will need to be bored.

[yellowjudge]

Your orig. manifolds will be a 5 bolt. RA resto makes the 5 bolt SD, as a repro. The RAIV &amp; 455HO 70-2, had the three bolt design. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/scholar.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/flag.gif

[Charley Lillard]

Thanks... I am still looking for web sites of suppliers for the stuff I am gonna need for this thing.....Micky...I have no idea what I am doing. No plan, just had to know what was wrong.

[Bandit]

Charley,
Look here to find some info on SD TA's.
http://www.angelfire.com/mi/jamos1/index.html
Alot of it is reprinted from books I have.
He shows the "webbing" on the block. That is only on SD blocks.

[tom406]

So Charley, in relation to the earlier question about TA A/C dash details, is your SD car equipped with factory or dealer-installed A/C? (It being a Seattle car, factory A/C isn't nearly as common here as other places.) Do you have PHS or original documentation for the options? Thanks.
TOM

[Charley Lillard]

I have the PHS Paperwork and it shows the Factory AC. I scanned it but it is too big to post.

[tom406]

Cool. I recall reading about a '73 SD Formula that had factory A/C as well. As I recall, he tried to order it with A/C and a 4-speed, but they wouldn't allow that combination. He opted to keep the A/C and get an automatic. (If I'm off-base here someone can correct me.)

[Charley Lillard]

Mine has two ac outlets at each end of dash and two at bottom of dash. The orig owner ordered a 4 spd no ac car but it didn't come till the salesman talked him into changing into a auto ac car. Then it came right away.Before that he had bought a 71 Trans anm and a 69 Trans am.

[Fhakya]

Good Call on that web link Bandit! That's the one I remember pouring over for couple of hours a couple of years ago. There's also a cool SD-455 engine article in a 73/74 issue of HP Cars magazine (If I remember correctly, the one w/ the "cartoon'y" reddish 73 GTO on the cover).

As for the 'Intern' thing, I think I could talk my advisor in the AET (Automotive Engineering Tech) dept. to allow me to get credit for it..sure beats the hell out of beta testing diagnostic scan tool software for OTC here in MN. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif

[Bandit]

Just trying to help out a Chevy guy...with his Pontiac. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif

[tom406]

Charley, what's the status of this car? Are you or anyone else restoring it?

[Charley Lillard]

I have the engine sitting here all rebuilt on the stand. The body is painted. Painted doors just showed up today. Painter just left with a bunch of little stuff that he just bead blasted. I am the part that is slowing it down. I need to get the engine and trans in but keep getting sidetracked. I love this car.

[Charley Lillard]

painted http://www.yenko.net/attachments/93012-6-25-04%20001.jpg

[tom406]

Very cool. Good luck, can't wait to see pics when its done. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif

[yellowjudge]

Is anybody going to the TA Nats? It is in Dayton, OH aug 27-29 @ Airport. It is the MECCA for TA junkies! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/flag.gif

[Stuart Adams]

The TA's have that great stance for a pro-touring type look, cool!!

[supergonzo]

Type in Ram Air restorations in any search engine should give you the web address.

Charley I just bought a 73 SD T/A in spring, it isn't finished yet, but its already going to be my favorite car.
Handles Great, Drivers position very comfortable, Great interior and seats, and of course FAST as hell.

I did not get to run this car at my local track, which just closed down, but I feel it might be as fast or faster than any of the other pure stock muscle cars I own or have owned.
Its certainly going to be right up there. Even with factory AC!

[RichSchmidt]

I think i have a photo that looks a little like that one,Mine wasnt as spiffy clean at the time though.I stripped my car down,but I replaced the quarter in the picture with a newer full 1/4 off a donor car.I leter finished stripping the paint on htat too.I didnt hang the full 1/4 though because I didnt want to do all the work inside my already perfect window beds.I plan on a V top for the car do it is no bigie anyway.BTW,what is the build date on your car.My car has a Vin sequence of 103.123,and was made in 11/d/72 and is a norwood car{ a plain old Esprit though},and I was wondering how fast GM was banging these cars out.I would love to have a real SD car.I raced a 73 camaro that I destroyed back in the day and I wanted to give back to the hobby by restoring a 70 396 SS camaro.I would like to have a 73 SD car along side my race car.That would be pretty cool.My car was red when I first built it,and a red SD T/A would be the icing on the cake.I cant wait to see it finished.

[GOAT72]

[ QUOTE ]
I have the PHS Paperwork and it shows the Factory AC. I scanned it but it is too big to post.

[/ QUOTE ]

Hey Charlie,
You know how I always post the TV schedule for Speed Channel when it pertains to these boards?
Well, here's one for you, my friend.
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<font color="red">
American Muscle Car on Speed Channel:
Pontiac Super Duty Cars
Wed, Sep 8 7:00PM

Pontiac Super Duty Cars
Thu, Sep 9 10:00AM </font>