WANTED ( CAR DETECTIVE)ON 68 CAMARO

[dana man]

LOOKING FOR A CAR DETECTIVE THAT CAN FIND OUT EVERYTHING ABOUT THE 68 CAMARO I HAVE ON EBAY.
I HAVE ABOUT 6 DOCUMENTS FOR THE CAR THAT I WOULD HAVE TO FAX YOU BECAUSE THEY DON'T SHOW UP WELL WITH PHOTOS.
SEND ME A PRIVATE MASSAGE WITH YOUR CONTACT INFO( WILL PAY WHATEVER.IF YOUR IN FLORIDA I WILL FLY THERE AND LET YOU INSPECT THE CAR BUT I NEED ATLEAST 2 DAYS NOTICE.
THANKS

[Charley Lillard]

I sent you a PM.

[dana man]

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I sent you a PM.

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THANKS I WILL CALL YOU TONIGHT AROULD 9PM MY TIME , I BELIVE 7PM YOURS, IS THAT OK ? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[Stuart Adams]

You couldn't have a better person (Charley Lillard) trying to help you. Also the ethical thing would not be selling the car on ebay until the real facts are discovered, unless you disclose the uncertainty to the bidders so they are honestly informed. My .02.

[dana man]

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You couldn't have a better person (Charley Lillard) trying to help you. Also the ethical thing would not be selling the car on ebay until the real facts are discovered, unless you disclose the uncertainty to the bidders so they are honestly informed. My .02.

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I HAD A DEALERSHIP OWNER IN FL , GO THROUGH THE PAPERWORK AND HE SAID IT WAS A 68 COPO CAMARO FROM CA, THEN HE TRIED BEATING ME UP BECAUSE THE ENGINE WAS MODIFIED, ALSO GOT THE SAME INFO ON THE CAR FROM MANY PEOPLE WHEN SHOWN MY PAPERWORK IN DAYTONA AT THE TURKEY ROD RUN THIS NOVEMBER, MY DOUBTS CAME FROM READING SOME OF THE BULL ON THIS SITE AND ALSO THE FACT THAT GOERGE STAUFER(STAUFER CLASSICS) RAN THE VIN #'S THROUGH A FRIEND AND CAME BACKE SAYING THAT THE CAR CAME FROM DANA, SO IM WONDERING WHY THE GUYS ON THIS FORUM CAN'T COME UP WITH INFO AND IF THEY HAVE WHY ARE THEY HOLDING THAT INFO BACK FROM THE FORUM

[Jeff H]

What info are you referring to? If you sent good pictures of the documentation to people on this site, some of them can definitely help determine if the documentation is legit or not. But see what Charley can do to help you out.

[Charley Lillard]

I just had a conversation with Tim, the owner of the Car. He seems like a decent guy and really does want to figure out exactly what he has. He is in Wisconsin and the car and paperwork are in Florida. He had gone back there and took the protecto plate pic but didn't realize it was too small to read. Until he can get back there he can't provide any paperwork. It might be a Month from now. He doesn't know much about COPO's so the things that ring wrong to us don't mean a thing to him. It might be a Dana car or it might be something made up but if somebody was making a fake car I don't think they would build it like they did. He will let me know when he gets to the paperwork so in the mean time can we cut him some slack please. He does want to sell the car but I told him the only way to get any Supercar type money out of it is to provide the paperwork. I am not trying to beat anybody to the car. If someone wants to offer him Money for the car they might consider it contingent on the paperwork. It would be neat if it was real. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/Charley.gif

[Steve_Hoog]

Charley never sent me his number in a PM

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[dana man]

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I just had a conversation with Tim, the owner of the Car. He seems like a decent guy and really does want to figure out exactly what he has. He is in Wisconsin and the car and paperwork are in Florida. He had gone back there and took the protecto plate pic but didn't realize it was too small to read. Until he can get back there he can't provide any paperwork. It might be a Month from now. He doesn't know much about COPO's so the things that ring wrong to us don't mean a thing to him. It might be a Dana car or it might be something made up but if somebody was making a fake car I don't think they would build it like they did. He will let me know when he gets to the paperwork so in the mean time can we cut him some slack please. He does want to sell the car but I told him the only way to get any Supercar type money out of it is to provide the paperwork. I am not trying to beat anybody to the car. If someone wants to offer him Money for the car they might consider it contingent on the paperwork. It would be neat if it was real. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/Charley.gif

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again thanks charly http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/scholar.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/worship.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[Jeff H]

So is the car still for sale on Ebay or are you going to wait until you can check the documentation again? I would think that you would stop the auction until you can have someone knowledgable check the documentation. If you let the auction go, somebody will have the legal right to the car at the price it ends at.

[Norm reynolds]

didnt Kurt S state here that he checked and the car was not real my bet is he is right

[Charley Lillard]

I think Kurts statment was in regards to it being a 427 Copo. That doesn't mean it can't be a Dana converted car.

[Leonard]

Hope to have another Supercar found. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/worship.gif Good luck dana man. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif

[Norm reynolds]

Charley I agree with you that the car most likely is a dana car just not a copo 427 but who knows

[JChlupsa]

OK folks, its a new year and lets see what <font color="blue"> WE CAN </font> find out about this car. Total of 4 different threads were going dealing with the same car so I decided to lock the others and keep this one open with dana man requests for help.

[Stuart Adams]

In my opinion this site can only help you, not hurt you. I'm pretty sure you bought the car at FAR below SUPERCAR prices. Assuming that, if the car is not real then you have a neat car that is probably fun and worth what you paid and you gained valueable knowledge about these cars, no money lost. Assuming on the other hand, this site and the many great people here help you document a car that is far more valueable than you anticipated then everybody wins - you have a valueable car, the buyer gets a valueable car, the car community gets another great car, the restorers get business from restoring the car, and it is one more great car that someone will own and share. That is what it's about. Alot of the SUPERCARS change hands from time to time. So multiple people get joy over owning the same car. I honestly hope it turns out to be what you say the car is.

[dana man]

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OK folks, its a new year and lets see what <font color="blue"> WE CAN </font> find out about this car. Total of 4 different threads were going dealing with the same car so I decided to lock the others and keep this one open with dana man requests for help.

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THANKS GUYS http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/worship.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/worship.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/worship.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/burnout.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/scholar.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/worship.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/headbang.gif

[Charley Lillard]

I don't even have a real feel for what it is but from my conversation with Dana-Man I don't think he has made this stuff up to try and scam anybody. That does not mean that the paperwork he was given with the car is real. We just gotta wait and see.....But then again I tend to trust most of you Jerks out there and look where that gets me... wearing a Monkey Face in a POS Belair..

[Stuart Adams]

Belair I think he is talking about that awseome car with the Ronald McDonald twins in the car after eating a gut burger. I'm not sure so maybe you should repost the picture to find out.

[Belair62]

Charley...look closely...it's not a monkey but I thinks its an orangutan...left turn Clyde http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/haha.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/haha.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/haha.gif

[Stuart Adams]

Awesome!!

[John]

Charley is a good choice to help decipher the paperwork and help with truly identifing what this car really is.
...I hope this turns out to be something special for all those involved..could you fax the information to me? I would also like to see it.
... at [email protected]
....Good Luck http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[JoeC]

I don't think there are any documented 69 427 COPO Camaros built in CA found yet never mind a 68

[COPO]

According to the COPO.com website there is a single 69 COPO Camaro from LA. ====&gt; L531088 Clippenger Chevrolet Covina, CA, Burnished Brown, Chip G

[Rick H]

Not to step on toes here but what about this link that was posted a few days ago about this car? It is the very same car on ebay and seems to have been built up.
The asking price on the website was only $18,555/offer plus the dealer is in Wisconsin. Looks like it was sold there as well.

If I was a bidder on ebay with a $30K plus bid on this car and found this link I would be very, very unhappy.
You make the call.

http://www.cantdrive55.net/_68_camaro.html

Rick H

[Unreal]

What the guy paid for the car is irrelevant. It doesn't matter if he paid a dollar or a hundred thousand, it's worth what someone will pay.
If I were high bidder at $30k, and it turned out to be a Dana converted car, I'd be real happy, regardless of what he paid.

[GTO_DON]

YOU ARE CORRECT SIR!! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[camarojoe]

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What the guy paid for the car is irrelevant. It doesn't matter if he paid a dollar or a hundred thousand, it's worth what someone will pay.
If I were high bidder at $30k, and it turned out to be a Dana converted car, I'd be real happy, regardless of what he paid.

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I agree 100%. There is nothing wrong with buying a car and selling it for more than you paid. And as stated, if it does turn out to be a documented Dana car, the only one who should be upset is the dealer who sold it for 18K. If it turns out to be a put-together car, well then thats a different story all together... I for one am anxiously awaiting the outcome of this mystery paperwork saga.

[SamLBInj]

Two Words...A I R C O N D I T I O N I N G
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Sam

[Jeff H]

It's aftermarket AC so that has no meaning regarding the originality.

[SamLBInj]

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It's aftermarket AC so that has no meaning regarding the originality.

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Is there not a factory A/C control in the dashboard? I could be mistaken http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif
Sam

[Rick H]

I was just giving my opinion on this car and like I said if I was the high bidder and found a link with the same car for sale at a third of what it is now I would be very cautious.
It would have been a lot less trouble and naming calling if the seller had done his homework before he started this mess!
Why not call the dealer where it originally came from? Has anybody done that? It seems strange that the dealer who deals in muscle cars wouldn't know it was a COPO.

Rick H.

[dana man]

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It's aftermarket AC so that has no meaning regarding the originality.

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Is there not a factory A/C control in the dashboard? I could be mistaken http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif
Sam

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THE CAR HAS AFTRMKT VINTAGE AIR.... http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/scholar.gif
THE CAR ALSO HAS A STAMP ON THE WINDOW FOR ASTRO VENT IF THAT MEANS ANYTHING. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif

[dana man]

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I was just giving my opinion on this car and like I said if I was the high bidder and found a link with the same car for sale at a third of what it is now I would be very cautious.
It would have been a lot less trouble and naming calling if the seller had done his homework before he started this mess!
Why not call the dealer where it originally came from? Has anybody done that? It seems strange that the dealer who deals in muscle cars wouldn't know it was a COPO.

Rick H.

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YOU SURE TALK ALOT FOR NOT KNOWING ME OR THE CAR DON'T YOU THINK. I SELL OVER 20 PRO STREET CARS A YEAR AND I DIDN'T KNOW THERE WAS A SUCH THING AS A SUPERCAR , I MUST BE AN IDIOT ALSO. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif

[Rick H]

No need to continue this anymore. Do we? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbsdown.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/bs.gif

[dana man]

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You couldn't have a better person (Charley Lillard) trying to help you. Also the ethical thing would not be selling the car on ebay until the real facts are discovered, unless you disclose the uncertainty to the bidders so they are honestly informed. My .02.

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I HAVE RIVISED MY AUCTION TO THE BEST OF MY ABILITY ,
PLESE LET ME KNOW WHAT YOU THING. THE CAR WILL STAY ON EBAY BECAUSE IT'S GOTTA GO, IT'S BEEN A PAIN IN MY A$$

I HAD A DEALERSHIP OWNER IN FL , GO THROUGH THE PAPERWORK AND HE SAID IT WAS A 68 COPO CAMARO FROM CA, THEN HE TRIED BEATING ME UP BECAUSE THE ENGINE WAS MODIFIED, ALSO GOT THE SAME INFO ON THE CAR FROM MANY PEOPLE WHEN SHOWN MY PAPERWORK IN DAYTONA AT THE TURKEY ROD RUN THIS NOVEMBER, MY DOUBTS CAME FROM READING SOME OF THE BULL ON THIS SITE AND ALSO THE FACT THAT GOERGE STAUFER(STAUFER CLASSICS) RAN THE VIN #'S THROUGH A FRIEND AND CAME BACKE SAYING THAT THE CAR CAME FROM DANA, SO IM WONDERING WHY THE GUYS ON THIS FORUM CAN'T COME UP WITH INFO AND IF THEY HAVE WHY ARE THEY HOLDING THAT INFO BACK FROM THE FORUM

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[dana man]

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No need to continue this anymore. Do we? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbsdown.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/bs.gif

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WELL THANKS FOR YOU HELP, I SHOULD OF TALKED TO YOU FIRST http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/scholar.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/scholar.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/scholar.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/scholar.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/haha.gif

[Charley Lillard]

Dana Man... Nobody here has any helpful info because they have nothing to go on. Until we see the car or paperwork there is really nothing we can do.

[dana man]

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Dana Man... Nobody here has any helpful info because they have nothing to go on. Until we see the car or paperwork there is really nothing we can do.

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THEN WHY ARE SOME PEOPLE STILL TALKING SO MUCH http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/bs.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/bs.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/bs.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/bs.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/bs.gif
I WILL MEAT ANYONE ANYTIME IN FL TO LOOK AT THE CAR , IF IT'S NOT 100% AS I HAVE DISCRIBED THE TICKET AND TIME IS ON ME , PLUS I WILL PAY FOR THE INFO. BECAUSE REGARDLESS WHETHER I FLY BACK TO FLORIDA AND SEND YOU THE PAPERWORK AND YOU CONFERM IT TO BE DANA PAPERWORK THERE GOING TO SAY DOES IT GO TO THE CAR, LETS SEE THE CAR ( SO COME SEE THE CAR )AND LETS PUT ALL THE http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/bs.gif ASIDE

[Charley Lillard]

The paperwork will have the cars serial # on it. If the paperwork appears real then you can tie it to the car by the serial # on the car. They are throwing BS at you because they have yet to see any paperwork. Please just let us keep this calm until there is something to see.

[Chevy454]

Ok, I've seen enough. Until some paperwork is produced, and some kind of resolution on dana man's end is made, then this thread is done.

If/when something is decided, then we'll go from there.

[Charley Lillard]

Here is what I have found out as of today by talking to two previous owners that Dennis Barker made me aware of because he remembers the car. Previous owners state that there was no Protecto plate or Window Sticker that they knew of. The Engine that was last known to be in it is a 454 out of a Pro Street Vega. The rear end was out of a Pontiac.................

[camarojoe]

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif

[Rick H]

Great information http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/haha.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif but now what happens with this very important information? Will the seller do the right thing and post it on the auction or will some poor soul end up with a car that isn't? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbsdown.gif

[dana man]

I would like to know where that crap came from http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif
the car came from az and the owners name was mike learn.

[Charley Lillard]

You got the car from Todd at I can't drive 55. You can still see it on Todds site. He spoke to you today. You told Todd you put the 12 bolt in it. You Traded Todd a 74 Camaro and cash for it. It used to belong to Ron at Parks Automotive. Jim Parks told me tonight he put the 427 emblems on it one night as a Joke and they have been on there since. You can contact Ron at Parks Automotive in Deforest Wi. Anyone can PM me for the # at Parks.

[dana man]

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Here is what I have found out as of today by talking to two previous owners that Dennis Barker made me aware of because he remembers the car. Previous owners state that there was no Protecto plate or Window Sticker that they knew of. The Engine that was last known to be in it is a 454 out of a Pro Street Vega. The rear end was out of a Pontiac.................

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YOU KNOW WHAT I HAVE TRIED AND TRIED TO WORK WITH YOU GUY'S ON FINDING OUT WHAT THIS CAR IS , I EVEN LISTED THIS http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/bs.gif SIGHT ON MY CAR AUCTION TO LET ALL THE BIDDERS KNOW IM NOT TRING TO PULL A FAST ONE , I KNOW FOR A FACT THE CAR HAS A 427 BECAUSE WE HAVE RAN THE #'S ON THE BLOCK , WE ALSO KNOW FOR A FACT THE CARS VIN#S SHOW IT COMING FROM DANA,WE ALSO HAVE THE P.O.P STATING THE VIN # ON THE CAR , WE ALSO KNOW THE REAREND IS A http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gifCHEVY http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif 12BOLT 410 POSI , WE ALSO KNOW THE WINDOW STICKER IS AN AFTERMARKET PIECE, SO IS THE AC,AND ANOTHER THING I KNOW IS THE GUY I PURCHASED THE CAR FROM IS'NT HAPPY.
AND A SPECIAL THANKS TO CHARLY FOR WRITING SOME http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/bs.gif BEFORE HE GAVE ME A PHONE CALL TELLING ME THE http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/bs.gif HE WAS TOLD ,

[55chevy]

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif I think we all know where the http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/bs.gif is coming from by now. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbsdown.gif

[dana man]

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You got the car from Todd at I can't drive 55. You can still see it on Todds site. He spoke to you today. You told Todd you put the 12 bolt in it. You Traded Todd a 74 Camaro and cash for it. It used to belong to Ron at Parks Automotive. Jim Parks told me tonight he put the 427 emblems on it one night as a Joke and they have been on there since. You can contact Ron at Parks Automotive in Deforest Wi. Anyone can PM me for the # at Parks.

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I TOLD TOD I PUT A 12 BOLT IN THE CAR http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/bs.gif(
I THOUGHT YOU WROTE EARLIER THE CAR HAD A 454 , OR DID THIS 3RD PERSON SET YOU STRAIT AGAIN MR http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/scholar.gif

[Charley Lillard]

"AND A SPECIAL THANKS TO CHARLY FOR WRITING SOME BEFORE HE GAVE ME A PHONE CALL TELLING ME THE HE WAS TOLD". I sent you a Email today with those facts today before I ever posted them. You never responded. And I happen to know personally two of the three persons that verified this. Are you saying it is a different car than Todd has on his site ? Ha !!! Are you now saying you didn't put the 12 bolt in that you just today told Todd you did ?

[Charley Lillard]

"I TOLD TOD I PUT A 12 BOLT IN THE CAR (
I THOUGHT YOU WROTE EARLIER THE CAR HAD A 454 , OR DID THIS 3RD PERSON SET YOU STRAIT AGAIN MR"

But the story was that it has a BE Copo rear end..And that COPO rear end was supposed to be a important part of this Copo car. So now it is just a rear end that you put in ?

[dana man]

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"AND A SPECIAL THANKS TO CHARLY FOR WRITING SOME BEFORE HE GAVE ME A PHONE CALL TELLING ME THE HE WAS TOLD". I sent you a Email today with those facts today before I ever posted them. You never responded. And I happen to know personally two of the three persons that verified this. Are you saying it is a different car than Todd has on his site ? Ha !!! Are you now saying you didn't put the 12 bolt in that you just today told Todd you did ?

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WHAT'S WITH THE http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/bs.gif YOU EMAILED ME , ANOTHER THING I HAVE NOT TALKED TO TODD IN OVER 1 MONTH AND THAT WAS ABOUT A HEMI CUDA.I HAVE NEVER STATED THE CAR DIDN'T COME FROM TOD, TOD HAS BEEN A DUMP TRUCK DRIVER FOR 15 YEAR SUED SOMEONE AND STARTED BUYING CARS TO BEAT ON AND SELL .

[Stuart Adams]

" I have tried to work with you guys to find out about this car." Charley and others did that for you as a service [ CAR DETECTIVE WANTED- posted by you]. Now you are blasting Charley for taking his time to uncover this mess and all you can do is claim you've been screwed. IMO these guys have gone above and beyond for you. THE FAT LADY CAN SING!!!

[dana man]

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" I have tried to work with you guys to find out about this car." Charley and others did that for you as a service [ CAR DETECTIVE WANTED- posted by you]. Now you are blasting Charley for taking his time to uncover this mess and all you can do is claim you've been screwed. IMO these guys have gone above and beyond for you. THE FAT LADY CAN SING!!!

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IT'S FINE TO HELP SOMEONE OUT IT'S ANOTHER TO POST FALSE STAMENTS LIKE THE 12BOLT INSTALLATION BY ME, I HAVE NEVER TURNED A WRENCH ON THE CAR EVER PERIOD.

THE REASON IM P-OFF IS BECAUSE WE WERE TO COME UP WITH THE FACTS NOT POST HEAR SAY, WHEN CHARLY STATES THE OLD OWNERS NAME AND IT'S FALSE, THE 454 STATEMENTS FALSE, THE PONTIAC REAREND FALSE, I INSTALLED THE 12 BOLT FALSE, WHAT AM I TO DO, I THOUGHT I WAS GOING TO FLORIDA TO SEND CHARLY THE PAPERWORK AND NOW THIS .

[Stuart Adams]

My chips are on Charley. You have called the wrong dog out to play if you think what he is saying is made up, he has NOTHING personally to gain from this mess. YOU have made this SUPER complicated.

[BBIGG BLOCK 396]

Dana Man you asked for a DETECTIVE to search for information on the car for you and I think you received what you asked for.I do not think you like what you received.But you are dealing with people on this site that know there S$%#.I would bet money Charlie knows what he is talking about.It is hard to pull the wool over these guys eyes!Now I am not saying you are tryng to pull the wool over anyone but seems Charlie has struck a NERVE, I have read all the post on this subject and if you want to find out if your documentation is CORRECT,why would you have to go to Florida for that.Why not have the person in Florida fax the paperwork to Charlie,I would bet he could tell from a fax copy if the documents are REAL or not and not even have to see the originals you have.Or have good quality copies sent by FED EX To him if it is that important to you.If I owned a car like what you have with the documents you have I would spend the money to fly someone there to make sure everything is REAL.I bet you are probably through trying to find out anymore information on the car from these guys because I think you know by now it is hard to BULL$%^&amp;*# these guys! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/no.gif I am wiating to hear more on this but I bet it is pretty much over now! Except that Charlie should change his last name to "MATLOCK" http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Bobby

[Charley Lillard]

I emailed you back at [email protected] . That is the address you sent me the Protecto plate pic from. You are free to stop by Parks Automotive at 625 W. North Street and talk to Jim or Ron. Ron used to own the car. I have known Todd for awhile so I don't know why he would lie to me as he has nothing to gain.

[dana man]

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My chips are on Charley. You have called the wrong dog out to play if you think what he is saying is made up, he has NOTHING personally to gain from this mess. YOU have made this SUPER complicated.

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I AM NOT SAYING CHARLY MADE THIS UP http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif, IM SAYING WHAT HE WAS TOLD WAS FALSE.

[dana man]

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I emailed you back at [email protected] . That is the address you sent me the Protecto plate pic from. You are free to stop by Parks Automotive at 625 W. North Street and talk to Jim or Ron. Ron used to own the car. I have known Todd for awhile so I don't know why he would lie to me as he has nothing to gain.

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THEN YOU DON'T KNOW TOD AT ALL http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif. WE HERE ALL DO http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/scholar.gif

[Charley Lillard]

Jim Parks is a good Friend. He put the 427 Emblems on your Car. Jim is known around the Supercar Arena from having owned probably the best 67 Yenko there is. Also owns a 3000 mile 69 Yenko and a 2002 ZL1. He drives on Power Tour every year and your Camaro did part of a Power Tour with Jim. Now you can accuse him of not knowing what he is talking about but I don't think you will get very far. Your car belonged to one of his employees. As for you bashing Todd...I didn't see him trying to sell the Camaro as a Copo.

[Stuart Adams]

I didn't have a 4.6 GPA like my son but I'm no dummy. Why is everybody that has any info. that does not go along with your claims FOS. See put all the BS aside for one moment and step back. NO one here would put up a SUPERCAR for sale without their ducks in a row, which yours aern't and we know that, so that is the bottom line. YOU, not us, are trying to sell something without the facts, so don't blame Charley or anyone else here. YOU are the only one that can clear YOUR NAME by showing us what YOU have. Period.

[lowmile]

"IT'S FINE TO HELP SOMEONE OUT IT'S ANOTHER TO POST FALSE STAMENTS LIKE THE 12BOLT INSTALLATION BY ME, I HAVE NEVER TURNED A WRENCH ON THE CAR EVER PERIOD."

This has been a very interesting topic. Danaman I notice you said that YOU had never turned a wrench on this car, I was wondering if you had anyone else work on the car for you?

[resto4u]

Charley, good work! There is no way jim parks would let a car like this slip through his fingers if it was real. Everything charley has said is right on the money as i have checked also, and do remember this very same car sitting at parks automotive many times. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif Dana man, Get some pics posted of your proof that is readable or this thread should be closed, waste of our time. Thanks,Roger

[Steve_Hoog]

Yes Dana man, Charley has gone above and beyond for you and treated you fairly. It's way past time to be respectful.

[JChlupsa]

Ill second that!

[Stuart Adams]

I agree also. Me no comprende, can't you just enjoy the car and move on. No need to barbecue people, you bought the car for what it is, if desired to sell then sell for what it is, and lets leave it at that. I'm out!!

[Belair62]

[ QUOTE ]
TOD HAS BEEN A DUMP TRUCK DRIVER FOR 15 YEAR SUED SOMEONE AND STARTED BUYING CARS TO BEAT ON AND SELL

[/ QUOTE ] And you are trying to put up a BS story to make a POS worth more than it will ever be.....Kind of like the pot calling the kettle black.

[Norm reynolds]

Good detective work Charley I don’t know why dana-man is p.o at Charley http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif he was only trying to help the car is a nice cruiser to have fun with its just not a copo and should sell accordingly of what it is Now I just wish I knew as much as some of the guys on this site I have the time just do not know that many people to talk to any way I would now consider this mater closed like the guy that had 60 super car only to find out weeks later that they were all die cast cars http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/bs.gif
Norm

[cantdrive55]

This is Todd from Can't Drive 55. Thank-you to all who showed interest in this car. Thanks for all of your input and support. I sold this car to Dana man as it was sold to me. You can see on my web site that it is the same car that was listed on e-bay. My web site is at www.cantdrive55.net (http://www.cantdrive55.net)

Thank-you Charlie http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/worship.gif and Jim Parks http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif for standing behind me. I would never falsify information to make a sale. Or would I ever blame someone else for my mistakes. Thanks for your great detective work and for setting Dana man straight!! All anyone has to do is look at my inventory and caliber of vehicles to see that I am not someone who "beats or abuses" his vehicles. I have been in this business for 27 years and I have had world of wheels winners, a studabaker grand national champion, and I even painted a car for the president of Baharian. Just to set the record straight. My cars have been sold at Hot August Nights in Reno, NV. I hope this puts this whole mess to rest. Thanks again. Todd

[YENKO DEUCE REGISTRY]

Wow! How do you get a 4.6 GPA - I thought the scale only went to 4.0 http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[LVCamaro]

That's true, way back when you were in school Marlin. Now, it's "new" math. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[cantdrive55]

I just spoke (e-mailed) Charley a few times and need to set a few things straight. I bought this 68 Camaro from a mechanic who works for Jim Parks. I did NOT do any work to the car. I did not change the rear end. The motor in the car when I bought it and when I sold it was the same motor, from a 1974 Pro-street Vega. I did talk to Dana man yesterday and he told me that HE was the one who changed the rear end in Florida. The rear end that was in the car when I bought and sold it was the same. It was NOT a 12-bolt. Also I never had or saw any POP or any documentation with the car that stated that it was a COPO Camaro or "Dana" or whatever Dana man said the car was. I spoke with Dana man again today (01/06/04) and asked why he slandered me and he said he didn't mean to he was just mad at some of the stuff Charley had posted. If you represent something you have to have the balls to back it up and don't blame other people for your http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/bs.gif.
Todd

[Unreal]

Marlin,
The only way to get a 4.6 on a 4.0 scale is to get A's in courses you did not take!!

[Kim_Howie]

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/bs.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/bs.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/bs.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/bs.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/bs.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[Stuart Adams]

I got 1.0 for four years = 4.0.........

[jg95z28]

Well it looks like everyone that said this was BS from the word go was correct.

Like I said at the beginning, if it was what he claimed it to be, why only show the documentation to the winning bidder when proper paperwork would have sent the bids skyward? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif

As for Charley and his detective work... http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/worship.gif

[55chevy]

Yeah, you could see this one gearing up to be full on http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/bs.gif right from the start.. Now could someone post a link the the Ebay auction so we can all watch that crumble and fall... or see if the http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/bs.gif gets even more out of hand http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[Rick H]

No need to post the link to ebay because the auction has been stopped. At least Dana man did one thing right.

[MotownMadman]

Wannabe car......Wannabe supercar owner........Wannabe biker. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
Motown http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[Leonard]

Well, i started this thread with the question " May want to check this out, what does everyone think?" We now have the answer.BOGUS http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbsdown.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/bs.gif GREAT DETECTIVE WORK !! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/worship.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[Belair62]

Motown....where the heck have you been ?

[Belair62]

BTW ...Motown...I been riding since I was a wee lad...

[MotownMadman]

Belair,
My computer tried to be a wise ass to me, the darn thing just would not do what it was supposed to.....considering the fact that my wife has been making me behave in public, Charlie has a gun pointed at my head here in Yenko land, I got winter fever cause the Harley wont negotiate snow drifts well, the cat has been smart enough to hide, so all the pent up aggression was used teaching a non co-operative computer how to fly which worked as well as the Wright Brothers first plane with similar yet more drastic results. So, the short answer as to where I have been, no method of cyber communication due to a childish Temper Tantrum. Even though I may have won the battle with the computer, the electronics store and Dell won the war by relieving me of a considerable group of my dead Presidents. How I wish it were spring with sunshine, dry pavement, and that wonderful aroma of burning rubber to reward the senses and calm the nerves. I am certainly thankful that I have not been causing or taking part in the train wrecks here, I cant afford another computer or nervous disorders that would have followed along had I joined in the fray with the latest Bozo that felt the need to grace all of our lives with the latest attempt of placing a packmule amoung the stable of thoroughbreds. As you may decipher from this post, I am truly at wits end with cabin fever and pent up aggression. Thats where I have been. I missed you too....Happy New Year! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
Motown(nervous tic)Madman http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

[Steve_Hoog]

LOL @ Matt

Your a funny guy!!!! Please buy a ticket on the the next train.

[Belair62]

Motown....put the Quaaludes down and slowly back away..and make sure you have good anti-virus software ! And NO...Trojan doesn't make it....try Norton or McAfee !!!

[Steve_Hoog]

714's, they still make those?

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif

[MotownMadman]

Belair,
Hell, I thought they were Rolaids.....and, last time I checked I hadnt realized God had checked the option code on my build sheet giving me reverse. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif Back away.....what a new and interesting concept...........I think I might try that sometime, maybe when I find myself in a wheelchair as I have always found my hands to be more co-operative and useful then my feet. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif Reverse, Hmmmm, is that what that little R on the shift indicator and knob is for? That sure would make parking easier.....I learned to drive on a Harley, I know they dont go backwards, I did here a story once about a jap bike, I think it was called a yellow wing, or gold bat, or something like that, but I had heard it had a reverse....probebly just an urban legend though......
Motown(twitch)Madman http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif

[MotownMadman]

Belair,
By the way, nice bike in the photo, I had heard you were short but I didnt realize it was that drastic....and wheres the trademark cigar? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif Must be a real pain to be so short you have to keep riding forever without stopping since you cant put your feet down, does refueling take place similar to an in flight tanker operation? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
Motown http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[Belair62]

Thats why I have a 240 rear...it stands up by itself

[Stuart Adams]

You and Motown, crack me up!!!!!

[SamLBInj]

[ QUOTE ]
BTW ...Motown...I been riding since I was a wee lad...

[/ QUOTE ]
Your a little monkey you know it...

[Belair62]

Motown is pretty good when he's lucid....its very rare though Stu....he goes in and out.

[dana man]

[ QUOTE ]
Wannabe car......Wannabe supercar owner........Wannabe biker. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
Motown http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[/ QUOTE ]
I THINK YOU SOULD JUST STICK TO THE SUPERCARS BEACAUSE YOU DON'T KNOW [censored] [censored] ABOUT CUSTOM BIKES, BUT I GUESS I AM A WANNABE BIKER RIDER BEACUSE IM TO BUSY BUILDING 1 OF A KIND HAND FABRICATED BIKES THAT ARE SOLD ALL OVER THE COUNTRY, BUT YOU SAID YOUR BUDDYS BIKE WAS NICE AND THAT LOOKS LIKE IT CAME OFF AN ASSEMBALY LINE FROM ---- ----- .

[Belair62]

Its a Big Dog Dana...and I am very sure your scooters are awsum...and it comes with a warranty and you could never build one this nice for under 30k... http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif

[JChlupsa]

Hey MO you do know Hawaii is pretty nice this time of year right. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/headbang.gif

[MotownMadman]

Dana,
Take a valium and calm down.....I know about custom bikes as I spent a great deal of time with Ron Finch and took part in some of his art work, but I havent spent a lot of time building "Pretty" 1 of a kind yuppie bikes as I spend most of my time riding mine with the rest of the insignificant group of 1% of all bikers. Why not just give up and go back to your world of phony cars and Rolex "Pretty" bikes. Anyone with any sense could figure out that you are here doing battle with a lot of "real", and "knowledgeable" people who you came to asking for help, shame on you if the answer wasnt what you wanted to hear. Dont go away mad, just go away.
Motown. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/bs.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/bs.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/bs.gif

[dana man]

[ QUOTE ]
Its a Big Dog Dana...and I am very sure your scooters are awsum...and it comes with a warranty and you could never build one this nice for under 30k... http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif

[/ QUOTE ]
LIKE I SAID STICK TO WHAT YOU KNOW http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/scholar.gif, I COULD BUILD THAT BIKE FOR 15K ALL DAY LONG. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif

[dana man]

[ QUOTE ]
Dana,
Take a valium and calm down.....I know about custom bikes as I spent a great deal of time with Ron Finch and took part in some of his art work, but I havent spent a lot of time building "Pretty" 1 of a kind yuppie bikes as I spend most of my time riding mine with the rest of the insignificant group of 1% of all bikers. Why not just give up and go back to your world of phony cars and Rolex "Pretty" bikes. Anyone with any sense could figure out that you are here doing battle with a lot of "real", and "knowledgeable" people who you came to asking for help, shame on you if the answer wasnt what you wanted to hear. Dont go away mad, just go away.
Motown. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/bs.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/bs.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/bs.gif

[/ QUOTE ]
IM HAPPY I KNOW WHAT THE CAR IS NOW , AND THANKYOU TO ALL THAT HELPED,BUT YOUR HOLE BIKE THEARY IS http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/bs.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/bs.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/bs.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/bs.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/bs.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/bs.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/bs.gif

[MotownMadman]

Dana,
Out of the utmost respect I have for the board members here this will be my last response to you, even if you choose to call my deceased mother names. You think that someone who likes these cars knows nothing of bikes? I was riding Harleys before I ever set foot in a cage. You insulted many here including the most respected in the hobby who was trying to help. I am a true biker first and everything else after. Have at it Dana, you will hear no more from me on this board.
Motown

[BBIGG BLOCK 396]

Damn Dana Man you are just glutton for PUNISHMENT aren't you ! I think you have pissed these Good People off with the http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/bs.gif you posted.By the way do the Bad Ass bikes you build have the same type of http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/bs.gif Documentation as the camaro.These guy's all now it is http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/bs.gif because you fail to post any of the information that you have for them to see.I think you are just about through on this site especially trying to get any help from these good people. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbsdown.gifI know it takes all kinds of people to make up this world and by the way do you live next door to a guy named D.XXXXXX,If not I bet you guys know each other http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Bobby http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/flag.gif


Bobby I X'd out the last name, due to that person not really being involoved with this post and only thought it was fair to him along with not to start another pissing contest.

[BBIGG BLOCK 396]

You are absolutely correct for doing that,and I appreciate you keeping me out of any trouble.

Thanks

Bobby

[hvychev]

Ok.......this has been my FIRST post on this 300-350 post in all threads combined debacle!!!!!!!!! WHO CARES ABOUT THIS F@$#%&amp; JUNK!!!!!!!!! LETS MOVE ON AND TURN THE PAGE!!!!!!!!!

<font color="red">CLARYS OR A MODERATOR PLEASE LOCK THIS THREAD BEFORE I DO A MOTOWN AND TOSS MY COMPUTER THROUGH THE WINDOW INTO THE SNOW!!!! </font>

[camarojoe]

Don't toss it in the snow Frankie... i heard rumor your computer is a rare model and I have all the paperwork to prove it... although all this paperwork is in Florida and i won't show it to you. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

I agree, shut this waste of server space down. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/flag.gif

[MotownMadman]

Frank,
My flying computer is a Motown original. So what, first thing you want to do is clone the idea? You already got Joe offering up fraudulent paperwork. Next thing you know, you guys will be advertising and profiting from my idea, I will then see my flying computer on an episode of the Soprano's.
Motown http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[55chevy]

[ QUOTE ]
Don't toss it in the snow Frankie... i heard rumor your computer is a rare model and I have all the paperwork to prove it... although all this paperwork is in Florida and i won't show it to you. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif


[/ QUOTE ] You don't have no paperwork you enthusiast.. you don't know what you're talking about.. you can't hang with them big dogs.. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif Better yet.. Somebody PLEASE ban Dana Dork or Dana Dumbass or whatever he calls himself from posting on this board any further. Him and his Bull$hit doesn't belong here. And I'd agree on locking down this thread or else re-name it to "the playground".
http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[MotownMadman]

Ed,
My Dads car has four headlights and yours only has two.......
Motown http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[55chevy]

Yeah, well my Dads car had two mufflers and yours only has one. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[copo9566aa]

<font color="red">PLEASE LOCK THIS THREAD BEFORE </font> http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif

[MotownMadman]

Yea,
Well my mom told me we had the same Dad!
Motown http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[55chevy]

HEY.. she told me the same thing... http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif

[MotownMadman]

Well hey there brother..........
Motown http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif

[55chevy]

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[Charley Lillard]

I think this has been enough..Time to lock up..If something important comes up, another thread can always be started. Good Night and thankyou for attending our latest train Wreck.

[55chevy]

Before Charley kills our fun and locks this one down... http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/CharleySucks.gif Had fun here at the end.. haha