Stahl & Associates ??

[68l30]

I am looking for some info on a Stahl & Assoc. mech tach assy.It is a 9/10 grand tach made by Jones Motrola.These later evolved into a Moroso only tach sometime in I believe in the early 70's.I have noticed a variety in names from 68 to 70.I have seen a Stahl & Assoc. name on some and Stahl & Moroso on others.Both were circa 1968.I have a catalog listing for 69/70 from Motion with the Moroso name whited out by Motion.Anyone know the association between the involved parties.Which came first,I believe it was Stahl...Does anyone know which mounting bracket was used with a Stahl tach? The earliest one I have seen had the "old" Moroso Performance logo.I have never seen a Stahl labled bracket...Kind of some oddball questions but I find very little info on these in my area.Is/was this more of an east coast speed part?Thanks....

Steve

[whitetop]

Steve
Jones-Motrola out of Stamford CT. made the tachs for Stahl, Moroso and Mallory and also their own name on the faceplate. The tachs were identical except the faceplate was changed to whatever company JM sold the tachs to.
JM was still in business up until several years ago where you could buy new cables etc. I had a NOS S&A tach(as well as a early Moroso that ended up with Mike G. and a nos JM unit on this site last year) at one time and was looking for the dash bracket. I believe jerry s. said most guys used the Moroso piece or the short JM piece(no longer available). I did see a chrome plated early S&A bracket at one time. It had the same style decal as the face on the bracket but reversed-white background with black lettering. The early Moroso used the gold anodized bracket and then Moroso came out with a chrome plated unit in the late '70's. Stahl and Moroso both had their tachs out at the same time. I think overall the Moroso tach came out first. The first Moroso tach had the "arrowhead" logo(white & Black) and then later the longer arrow shaped white black and red logo. In '72-'73 they came out with the words Moroso that we are familiar with today. I never did understand the Stahl - Moroso decaled tachs and what business connection they had. Moroso no longer offers the tachs, brackets or cables.
The cables/brackets etc that JM still sells are however different from the originals. The original cables had a "hand grip" nut while the ones available today have a hex nut. Also the sheath has a different look. JM was rebuilding the old tachs up until 3-4 years ago where they would rebuild your old unit and put in new glass, new bezel, case etc. However all the old parts were used up so they are not doing it anymore except for the newer style 4" tachs-if they are even doing those.

Steve, JM was making these tachs you are talking about as early as 1962-1964. They were on some of the early Cobra race cars. As a matter fo fact that is where my NOS JM unit went. To a guy out in CA rebuilding a Cobra racer.

I do think the tachs were a midwest and northeast coast thing. Most racers out west were running the SW cable drive tach just from what I've seen in the old mags. mostly have seen them in the old Chevy Power, Chevy Action, Street racer mags of the '70's on NY based cars.

I have all the early Moroso catalogs if you need part numbers etc.
Dave

[68l30]

Thanks for the info Dave. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif I have the S&A W/ Gold anodized bracket with the arrowhead logo.Didn't know if the bracket was tech correct.My Cable has the correct "hand grip" ends as well.Any idea when the tach was first produced?Still looking for a rev limiter,either the 6000-7650 or the 7200-9400.....I've never seen a rear cable S&A. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gifSounds like a good idea though....

Steve

[whitetop]

Steve I just found a '62 Hot Rod and the JM tachs are in there-with the jm nameplate

[68l30]

Didn't think they went back that far.....how bout the relationship with Stahl?

Steve

[whitetop]

Steve
I have an original S&A catalog sheet. They had the rear drive, bottom drive and with/without tattle rev limiter etc. Same tach options that were available from the JM line.
Dave

[JoeC]

I had an old Jones-Motrola mach tach in one of my cars. It was cool looking but it started at 1000 rpm and had a pin stop. When you rev the motor it would make a clicking noise every time the needle hit the pin stop. The clicking noise was kind of annoying so I took it out. I think a new cable may have fixed it.