GOING Price On NOVAs 69-70???

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What is the price level for a 69 70 BB Nova, L78 4 sp,?

and the 70 Yenko LT1¨s.

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[PATRICKJOINER]

deuces that need resto. should be in the low to mid 30's, depending on the condition, engine, body panels, etc.... less if the engine/tranny is gone and/or needs body panels,.. restored cars anywhere from low 60's & up easily depending on the quality of the resto. & how much of the car is original. could go into the 80's & up.... these cars are rapidly esclating in value, imo..

[YENKO DEUCE REGISTRY]

For Yenko Deuce Novas, the price is dependant on condition and originality, no surprise.

In the past year, several project cars have traded hands in the $14-$25k range, some were clean bodies & missing some of the matching drivetrain, others were matching drivetrains w/ paperwork but needed sheetmetal work. Right now the barometer is such that to pull more than $30k for a deuce it should be a running driving machine. Of course people will pay more, but it is usually because of the 'want' factor. I would say that in the last 6 months, the 'project' stage Yenko Deuce has slipped a little in value, partially due to the high cost and availability of replacement parts - IMPO.

I won't even venture a guess into the L78 Nova values, I don't follow them nearly as closely. Allen or Tom W. could offer some insight though.

[hvychev]

Who has paid 80K+ for a Deuce???? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif

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I was also thinking that the 80¨s US K!, was high.

Could it be that those prices have been seen?

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[YENKO DEUCE REGISTRY]

There is only one Yenko Deuce that has traded hands in excess of approx. $55k. That is not to say that other cars would not sell in that range, but rather other Deuces in the 'Top 10' category just have not been offered for sale. At least 9 of the top 10 cars have become fairly attached to their owners, even though every one of them could make a very nice profit on them.

Within the last year at least 15 Yenko Deuces have changed hands! Of those 15, 2 were restored, 3 were restored but are being re-restored, and 10 were projects. The avge selling price of these 10 project cars is $22,900. Following normal statistical practices, removing the highest and lowest values and re-averaging, would change the avge selling price to $21,875. Not a big change since the highest value was pretty high, and the lowest was pretty low!

Additionaly, of these 10, 7 were new finds within the last 2years. There have been additional new finds within the last 2 years, but they just haven't been sales.

[Mr70]

Marlin
That is Good Information.Thank You for sharing that.
Of the 175 1970 Yenko Deuces produced,how many are know to still exist?
I see on COPO.com 98 Deuces show a Dealer Name & address.Does that mean this is the current number known about today?
Rick

[hvychev]

Thanks Marlin. That puts an entirely different spin on things and seems to be more realistic. Although Deuces are one of the last affordable supercars there has been a huge "hype" created on what they have been selling for. That is why I made the comment of who has actually paid 80K for a Deuce. Deuce values have been WAY overinflated by a few people that have created a false market on what they have been selling for.

[YENKO DEUCE REGISTRY]

Rick;
Not really, the info on Ed's site is from Yenko's Inventory Sheets that we have collected, and from info from cars found on those sheets we're missing. So, those 98+/- cars listed do not represent cars found/not found.

To date, there are 81 Yenko Deuce Novas found, 11 totalled out, and 2-3 that are existing but I don't have the owner confirmation yet. Of the 81 existing cars, 11 (6%) are with original owners.

Those 81 cars break down as follows:

Cortez Silver: 10 = 40% of production
Fathom Blue: 15 = 43% of production
Citrus Green: 5 = 50% of production
Forest Green: 18 = 72% of production
Gobi Beige: 6 = 24% of production
Sunflower Yellow: 5 = 50% of production
Huggar Orange: 6 = 60% of production
Cranberry Red: 16 = 46% of production

I have the info split many ways, so let me know if want further statistics.

[hvychev]

M don't want to get to technical on ya but how many auto & 4 speeds produced.

What is the trans breakdown for found cars? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[YENKO DEUCE REGISTRY]

Ha! That's easy.

Of the 175 Yenko Deuces produced, there were:

Four speeds: 122 produced, with 61 (50%) existing.
Automatics: 53 produced, with 20 (38%) existing.

For individual colors the breakout is as follows:

C.Silver; 8=4sp & 2=a/t
F.Blue; 11=4sp & 4=a/t
C.Green; 4=4sp & 1=a/t
F.Green; 12=4sp & 6=a/t
G.Beige; 4=4sp & 2=a/t
S.Yellow; 4=4sp & 1=a/t
H.Orange; 5=4sp & 1=a/t
C.Red; 13=4sp & 3=a/t

[T Billigen]

WOW! You and Rick P. are both walking encyclopedias!! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/scholar.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif

[YENKO DEUCE REGISTRY]

Not really! The more you learn, the more questions you come up with, and the more you realize needs to be researched - it's a fun cycle! Plus, what else should a Yenko Deuce owner/accountant do for the hobby except keep track of the numbers http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

[T Billigen]

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[Belair62]

Marlin..next time my kids' school has a "guess how many M&M's are in the jar " contest...I'm calling you !

[YENKO DEUCE REGISTRY]

Public answer to some private emails:

To get the total production of a given color, simply divide the qty found by the production percentage. For example, gobi beige = 6 cars found, 24%, so; 6/.24 = 25 cars produced.

Remember that wonderful algebra you thought you would never use?

[YENKO DEUCE REGISTRY]

Belair, that's the easiest answer for me = 0, (cause I would have eaten them all!)
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[T Billigen]

Marlin, do you know who all of the owners are of the Yenko Novas? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/scholar.gif

[sYc]

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WOW! You and Rick P. are both walking encyclopedias!! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/scholar.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif

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Marlin, you and Rick are in select company. That honor has only been bestowed upon one other person that I know of. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/worship.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/worship.gif

[T Billigen]

And who might that other person be? Let me guess...BKH http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/scholar.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/3gears.gif

[hvychev]

Here is a pic of one bad Deuce owned by Dave Belk and restored by our own Ken S.

[hvychev]

Here is one of my favorite shots. This is the EXACT way I would have set this Deuce up! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif

[NEW]

That picture you posted there is one very very nice Nova.

So, is there any deuces for sale at the moment, fresh, or older restoration, for sale?

And by the way, very good info from the replies here.

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[DarrenX33]

Your right Frank. That Deuce has your name all over it. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif

[YENKO DEUCE REGISTRY]

Yes, we know who owns all of the Yenko Novas, both '69 and '70's.

Occasionally, one gets sold and we don't know where it went, but it eventually resurfaces and we get reaquainted! Many owners do not want to be found, and so, we leave it that way.

[sYc]

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And who might that other person be? Let me guess...BKH http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/scholar.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/3gears.gif

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Nope, actualy one of your associates. Of course in his case, he bestowed this title upon himself. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif

[ORIGLS6]

Marlin,

I'd like to place an order for a Cortez Silver, Auto, in average, unrestored condition. I'll bring $23,000 cash to York and expect to load the car in my trailer and head back to Illinois. My offer is based on your 'average' price for a project car, and I'm throwing in the extra hundred bucks as a finders fee just'cause I'm a nice guy. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif

See ya this summer! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif

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[YENKO DEUCE REGISTRY]

Let me rephrase my earlier statement; We know who owns all of the Yenko Novas 'that have been found'. We obviously don't know who owns all of the Yenko Novas since they have not all been found - yet!

Public answer to some emails:

The 'want' factor is such where a prospective buyer feels the asking price is more than the car is worth, but will pay it because he 'wants' it. Basically 'perceived value' vs. 'selling price'. In my discussions with buyers, the 'want' factor rarely exceeds $4k, which is an interesting stat to consider when analyzing the market value on the Yenko Deuces.

As for cars selling in the $70k-$80k range, it is surely possible - for the right car. There have been offers in excess of $60-$65k for restored Yenko Deuces, but the cars were removed from sale before deals could be completed. So, I would speculate that if more of the 'Top 10' Deuces were to be made available for sale, you would see prices in the $60k + range.

The restored Yenko Deuce Novas seem to trade hands less often than other types of Yenko Cars, just an observation. You would think that when the values go up like they have, that the restored cars would sell - especially those cars that would result in large profits. However, that doesn't seem to happen, not sure why - I won't bore you with theories http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif The project Deuces on the other hand trade quite rapidly when the values go up, and as you can see many of them are new finds. This is logical, as the owners see the rising values for other Yenko cars and feel it's finally time to 'come out of the closet' and sell the car. In almost every case, the original asking price for the project car is quite a bit higher than the final selling price as the seller gets a bit of an education on the true market value of the car.

Interesting times!

[YENKO DEUCE REGISTRY]

There is a CS a/t deuce in avge, unrestored, condition out there, ( a lot closer to you than you realize!). However, the owner does not want to be found. Another CS a/t deuce is in need of a full resto, but it's not for sale - apparently missing it's tags!

I'll keep an eye out for you, but remember there were only 8 CS a/t Deuces produced. No need for a finders fee - I do this for fun http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

[Zedder]

Thanks for the information Marlin. It's refreshing to see info shared so freely! Kudos http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif It's interesting that the comments and values you have shared are almost identical to what I see happening with '67 Z-28's. One of my projects to work on is to add a section to my web site where I attempt to track asking and selling prices to help potential buyers and sellers put a number on their cars. Thanks again!

[Allen]

I'd like a Cortez Silver four-speed... it would be a good future match to my current '70 Nova SS if it ever gets restored. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

However, I'm not all that picky about colors.... I'd be happy with any of them, even Gobi Beige! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

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I¨d be interested in a 4 speed car as well,

Guys, put me on your list!

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[ORIGLS6]

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There is a CS a/t deuce in avge, unrestored, condition out there, ( a lot closer to you than you realize!). However, the owner does not want to be found. Another CS a/t deuce is in need of a full resto, but it's not for sale - apparently missing it's tags!

I'll keep an eye out for you, but remember there were only 8 CS a/t Deuces produced. No need for a finders fee - I do this for fun http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

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Don't go teasin' me! I was only half joking with that post!!!

Tags? Who cares about tags? If the car is legit.....tags will appear! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif

[Salvatore]

Marlin, Are there any COPO Deuces around? The GM versions before they went to Yenko? How rare are they and are they actually worth more or less than a Yenko Deuce? Thanks, Sam

[T Billigen]

Then maybe I don't want to know who it is! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif I think the Orange Deuce that is out there may be worthy of the price that Patrick Joiner mentioned. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/3gears.gif

[YENKO DEUCE REGISTRY]

Allen, you can try to pry your desired combination out of MikeA's hands - but that would be tough, probably impossible!

[YENKO DEUCE REGISTRY]

Hey Sam;
To our knowledge, there were 10 Copo Novas ordered by Central in Canada, but only 2 were received. Of those 2, only one has survived, obviously COPOPETE's car.

It would not be inconceivable for other dealers to have found out about the '70 Copo Nova and ordered some. However, we have not heard of any.

As for values, it's probably more personal preference. I have spoken with guys in each category; worth more, worth the same, worth less. It depends to some degree what the person is looking for in the car; recognition due to the stripes = copo worth less, rarity = copo worth more, or equally as cool as the Yenko version = copo worth the same.

Personally, I'm not a big fan of stripes, I love the copo look, and the ultra rare factor. So, I would lean on the worth more side = IMPO!

[Mr70]

The day Dennis Cumby takes sole ownership of a 1970 Yenko Deuce,(Real car,not a Diecast etc.),& sells his Black LS6,is the Day I publically endorse NIAB... http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/haha.gif

[PATRICKJOINER]

tom
thanks for the obvious, yes, the orange deuce is worth in the neighborhood i mentioned.... as i now own the car.. regardless of other 'factors'.. i love the car & think it is one of the best....

[bilede]

Might be able to pry my CS 4spd from my hands for a fathom blue car and some cash.. haha.. no, probably not cause it matches my Z.. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/no.gif

[T Billigen]

Patrick, I am in complete agreement!!! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/3gears.gif

[YENKO DEUCE REGISTRY]

Bill, when we spoke last, I thought your plan was to resto the deuce and then 'trade up' with it for a project '69 Yenko Camaro. Is that still the plan?

[bilede]

Marlin, Camaro's have always been my first love but I am becoming quite attached to the little deuce and believe I am going to hang on to it for some time. Fathom blue with white stripes would of been my top pick in color which is why I said it might be pryed from my hands but I am really happy with the car and wouldn't part with it easily.. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif

[YENKO DEUCE REGISTRY]

I know that some may not like to see the numbers that I've posted, but this is the reality - sorry! I know what I'm talking about, and I have the facts to back it up.

I repeat; I personally believe that more Yenko Deuces would sell in the $60k range if more of the Top 10 cars were offered for sale. However, the circumstances are such that they are not offered, therefore, we don't see that happening, and can't make assumptions about what they would do to the current value.

My statistics are for cars sold, and to copy some financial jargon; 'they are not to be used to make forward looking statements, and decisions based on such'. Somebody could turn around tomorrow and pay $100k for a Yenko Deuce, you never know! If they do, I would factor that into my numbers, and then show the results. It would skew the outcome which is why I show the results in two ways, with all cars included and with the highest and lowest removed from the calculation.

Hope this helps!

[mnyenko]

Marlin,
It looks like most of the recent deuce sales have not been in the open market.The cars wich were on ebay or offered here for sale seem to have brought above average prices.I would guess these same cars would have brought $5,000 to $10,000 more if advertised to more buyers.That would make the floor around $30,000 for a good project car.$45,000 for a complete rebuilt driver.$65,000 for a nice restored car.Plus a premium for rare colors, options, numbers etc.There are no deuces for sale today that I know of.But there is a lot of demand.Blue four speed or not.Earl http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

[YENKO DEUCE REGISTRY]

Earl, you are correct, many of these cars have sold via word of mouth instead of via the internet. They may, or may not, have brought more money if advertised to a wider audience. All but one of the project cars were passed over by several prospective buyers though, which indicates that there are those in the market that felt they were overpriced. Also, all but one of the project cars had an actual sale price lower than the original asking price, (this lone example was not the lowest priced car either, it just had excellent originality and full paperwork). Generally, the lower the asking price, the less difference vs the actual sell price = the original asking price was fairly accurate. There are some cars in my 'Top 10' category that were for sale in the $45-$50k range, and 3 different people have walked away from them. It is difficult to guage the market value by only considering those cars that sell in the public arena, it is usually quite different vs the private arena. I agree with your values for those cars sold publicly, but I'm including all sales, and those are the numbers that get used in the avge calculation.

Kevin Hand just sold a whole bunch of cars privately, but I don't know if he would have received a higher price if they were nationally advertised or not. However, you make a valid point.

[YENKO DEUCE REGISTRY]

Earl,
You make an interesting point with your comment on color and options. In the past, those two characteristics rarely seemed to come into the decision process. Now, however, I would say that half of the prospective buyers have a strong color and transmission preference. I'm not sure what impact that has on what buyers are willing to pay, but it might explain why someone would decide not to buy a particular car. Another good point.