1970 L-78 Camaro

[Mr70]

I saw this Ad in the Current issue of Old cars weekly.There is a Picture also.

For Sale:
1970 Chevrolet Camaro SS L-78 385K Orignal miles http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif.
396 375 HP 4 spd.One of only 300 4 spd cars ever built with the 375HP (you will not soon find another like this!!).Top of the Second Generation Camaros!!!
We Have The Build sheet!!Call for Details.Will need some finishing.-you have got to see this one!Hugger Orange Exterior with Black stripes and new black interior!!
Nasty 427 in at this point.the Original Block comes with it.(It has been Decked)This will be a True High end Supercar when it finds the right home.Always a Colorado car!No Rust,the Floor pans are like you've never seen!!This is the Car!!
$19000.00 Cool cars Only.1-800-290-0679

I Have typed Verbatim what the ad states.

[Seattle Sam]

Rick, Does this look like the picture?

http://www.coolcarsonly.com/pics/r044.jpg

Here is aclickable link to the dealer's web site

CoolCarsOnly (http://www.coolcarsonly.com/buy5.html)

-Sam http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[Mr. T]

I think this is the 70 L78 I saw for sale in Hemmings last month.

[DarrenX33]

This car has been up for sale for quite a long time. I'm talking months.

[Steve Shauger]

It has been for sale well over a year...

[Mr70]

Thats the picture Sam.
I know it has been for sale for awhile,but I thought maybe someone would be interested in it.
I am not in anyway connected to it.
Does it really have 385K miles,or is that a typo?

[69rsz28]

This is the way the ad reads on the miles
[ QUOTE ]
38,5k Original Miles

[/ QUOTE ]I would believe it means 38,500 original miles

[lbnaz]

Does anyone know about a 70 RS/SS L78 4 speed car that was sold in Florida a year ago approx. and is now in Phoenix, AZ.

[sprchvy]

There has been a supposed 70 L78 car at Volo for the past year or more. I was in there recently and the price had been lowered again to $18K. Description seems to indicate correctness but then you never know. Boring white car with black strips and interior.

[Bill Pritchard]

If Volo has marked an alleged 70 L78 car down to $18K, you can bet the farm it is either bogus, stolen, or ready to self-destruct http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

[ChrisS]

If the car was at a dealer in Tarpon Springs, it was sold and on it's way out west (I was told California) by the time I was able to get down to look at it.
If it was a white/blue car for sale in the West Palm Beach area by a private owner, I only spoke with the current owner and a previous owner on the telephone.

[MotownMadman]

Bill, you have such a way with words! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
Motown http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[Kim_Howie]

Motown as my daddy alway said if looks like it, smells like it , feels like it ,and tastes like it It probably is.

[Mr70]

[ QUOTE ]
and tastes like it It probably is.

[/ QUOTE ] http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/haha.gifI'll bet your Daddy had bad breath alot!http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/haha.gif

[MotownMadman]

Kim,
Your Daddy sounds like a man with Wisdom. My father had about five favorite sayings that were repeatedly placed between my ears all my life, your Dads saying was one of them. I have been passing the torch by giving my sons the same wisdom, I just wish my Dad was still around so I could hear those speeches one more time....
Motown http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/scholar.gif

[Kim_Howie]

My Daddy passed away ten years ago but i remmber all his sayings "WHAT ARE YOU STUPID" I remember that one a lot. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/haha.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/haha.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/haha.gif

[Stuart Adams]

Speaking of sayings, I asked my daughter (13 yrs. old) if she had any questions and she replied " no dad I just have the answers." Ahhh, 13 year olds. She thinks she's going to drive the Clone!!!!!

[DarrenX33]

Last week I checked the Volo site for this car. She's gone. Geez with the white with black stripe bashing.. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[colosilverado]

I registered on this board because of this post. I am a frequent lurker because I love Camaros, and the knowledge of folks on this board. I live in Loveland, Colorado which is where this car is. Let me first state that I do NOT work for the seller of the car, nor do I have any personal interest in this other than to give any knowledge of this car that I have in case it is of any value to anyone who might be interested in this car.

First of all, that car has been sitting where it is, outside, since around 1992/1993 at least. I know this because I was a kid working for Pizza Hut at the time and delivered to the building that it sits outside of and I tried to find someone to give me info on it. The car has been moved a few times in terms of it's location to the building that the pics show, but anytime I have driven by there since I first saw it, it has been sitting there outside. I recently emailed the seller and asked if the car in the pics is the one I was thinking of and they confirmed that it is.
So, this car has been sitting for a long time outside. Also, there is no interior in the car. I don't know if they have it, or not. I never asked because I am not interested in the car. That said, the car looks solid and in the couple of times I have looked at it ( not too closely), it doesn't seem to have any rust.

I would be willing to go take pics of the car if anyone is interested in it. Please email me if you want me to get pics.

Hope this helps...

[Mr70]

Welcome to this site. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif
Thank you for the input & your offer. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif

[70-SS/RS-L78]

This car has been for sale for over a year that I know of..
I sent the seller a few emails and never received a reply. I guess
the heads laying next to the car are the original heads from the car.
I find it kind of Strange that this is the Only Picture I have ever seen
of this car. I am just curious if it is in fact a real L78 car and if so,
is the engine original to the car….
Mark L
[email protected]

[resto4u]

do you have the pic of the car? Roger

[70-SS/RS-L78]

The only picture I have of this car is the
the same as the one in this thread. Did this car ever sell.
Mark

[scotty karate]

I am "colosilverado" who posted the offer to take pictures of this car way back when. I signed up at that time with a work email address and no longer work at that place so I don't have the access to get whatever password I used. I decided to sign up again rather than go through the pains of trying to figure out how to remember or get my old password. I haven't checked out this board in quite some time due to alot of things, but I decided to check it out last night. Lo and behold, I came across this old thread. I know that this car isn't too big of a deal to most of you, but I thought I'd post again just because people were wondering about it. I had been checking the thread back when it was relatively new, but quit checking it after awhile because nobody seemed interested in any further pics.

Well, this car has always interested me because of my love for Camaros and 2nd gen in particular. Like I said, this car has been sitting in the same rough location since at least 1992, which is when I saw it first. It has moved relative to the building it sits outside, but that is it. It is still there as of today. I'll post pics or you can email me for them at [email protected]
Again, I have no personal knowledge of this car other than where it is. I don't have any interest in it other than helping people out if they want more pics or maybe more info. I'm heading out the door. I will post more pics in awhile. Here's one with Cool Cars Only in the background which, ironically, I never noticed was there until today.

[scotty karate]

Oops, pic is too big. They are pretty much all over 100k in size. Oh well, if anyone wants them, email me. I don't have a place to host them. I'll see if I can find a free one... http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif

[scotty karate]

Ok, let's see if you can at least see the pics here: 70 L78? (http://community.webshots.com/user/colosilverado)

[scotty karate]

..and it doesn't appear to be for sale on the Cool Cars only website any longer. I would think that their price on it is too high, regardless. If this car were to be original, what would it be worth if it has the original parts somewhere? If it is original, that will kill me because the poor thing has been sitting there outside for so long. Don't get me off on that tangent either. Hell, it kills me anyway, just because it is a cool car. It drives me nuts to see a car like that sit outside where rust can have it's way with her. There used to be a older couple close to where I used to live that had an original 70 SS 454 Chevelle that was column shift and bench seated. Well, it had SS stripes and such, but maybe it was a clone. I don't think an older couple would have cloned one though and I got the idea that it had been in the family for years. If it was an SS, I assume it was an LS5 car, but I was never able to talk to the husband who owned it.....just the wife. She didn't know anything about it other than it had appraised at $15000+ years ago. It was white with black stripes. I gave them my number and asked them to call me if they ever wanted to sell it, but my number changed and they moved. They had a 2 car garage and yet it sat outside while their mid 80's sedans got the garage. Seeing that thing covered in snow killed me.I tracked the car down a year or so later because they moved, too, and the car was sitting outside in the snow again. I just gave up at that point.
I saw a nice solid 71 or 72 Chevelle sitting buried in snow in a driveway today. Same with a 67 Camaro.
Too bad I'm not rich. I'd buy a huge warehouse and start rescuing these beauties so at least they don't die a gruesome death by rust. We keep losing our history. I know that it makes the remaining ones more valuable, but dang, I can never see too many cool cars in my lifetime. We need to save as many as we can. There are cars like this in practically every dang town, too. Sheesh.

Sorry for the rant.....it just kills me, ya know?

[Belair62]

Wonder why people store a car like that and then ask a high selling price but never sell them....crazy.

[scotty karate]

Yeah, I would have to see what all they had for the car that was correct ( if it is a "real" car) before I was even remotely interested in it. What all did they put the 12 bolt in as far as Camaros that year? They went to the 10 bolt only in '71 right? I'll have to look. Heck, if it has sat there this long, maybe I'll buy it someday down the line. I've never been in the position to, so...;)

[Jeff H]

Get a look at the cowl tag and if it's a Norwood car it should have the L78 on it I think. 12 bolt would be a Z28, SS396 and I'm not sure if the SS350 still got it or not.

[COPO]

SS and Z-28 got 12-bolts in 1970.

[Mr70]

Report the Rearend suffix code as well.
Johnny Jujitsu

[Belair62]

WTF is Johnny Jujitsu ? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/haha.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/haha.gif

[70-SS/RS-L78]

The rear body panel is not black but that could have been painted.
Why don’t you sneak over tonight with a piece of sandpaper and
see if the panel is black under that red paint… Oh, and try not to
get shot while doing this…….
Mark L

[CamarosRus]

If this 70 "L-78" is L.A. built with NO L-78 on trim tag and presumably no build sheet, verifying is near impossible.
Tach equipped cars have the RARE 6500RedLine/7000Max Tach and there might be evidence of TCS relay or Green TCS wiring in engine compartment. The Black Tailpanel would prove Big Block but not L-78. Not sure about fuel line differences on L-34 7 L-78 1970 Camaros ????
Chuck S

[Mr70]

"there might be evidence of TCS relay or Green TCS wiring in engine compartment."
Chuck
How would this prove an L78,over an L34?

[CamarosRus]

I must correct myself on L-34's and TCS, as I viewed the below picture of Dale R's 70 L-34 Camaro....bought new and still owned.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v470/CamarosRus/Camaro%201970%20Resto%20Details/TCS.jpg

[CamarosRus]

Mr 70, Both 1970 L-34(1800 built)and L-78(600 built) Camaros had the TCS system. The removal of an L-78 engine and/or the A.I.R. "Smog" apparently would leave NO evidence I can think of. Without a Norwood trim tag, L.A. build sheet, POP, Window Sticker, Invoice or 6500/7000 Tach I dont know how to PROVE 70 L-78 Camaro. I'm going to say that the 4 spd L-78 was standard with 3:55 gears while the L-34 4 spd was standard with 3:31.....but obviously subject to RPO changes.....all SS's and Z-28's had 12 Bolt (LAST Year)
Chuck

[scotty karate]

In that old ad it said/says that they have the build sheet. That said, with all of the good fakeries these days, who knows what it is..
I will be glad to take whatever pics that I can. I'll have to talk to them to be able to get the hood open and snap the cowl/trim tag.

LOL on the sandpaper and getting shot part. I could probably stand there for an hour and nobody would even blink. The paint looks to be old and thick...I might need to use a grinder ...;)
If they shot me, they'd probably kick my bloated carcass to the side and use it to deter future sandpaper attempts. If the stinkin' snow melts soon, I can hopefully shimmy my belly underneath and get the axle code and take more pics.

[Mr70]

Don't rule out the TH400 on a 1970 L78 Camaro just yet..Charley hint hint. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif
Like most cars,the transmission suffix code & rearend suffix code will tell what engine it was built with on the line,if indeed they are in fact still the original Transmission & rearend.
I am getting more & more inquiries from people asking me what Trans. & rearend suffix their cars engine should have.
I feel those cloners are catching onto this.
You know who you are...

[70-SS/RS-L78]

[ QUOTE ]
Don't rule out the TH400 on a 1970 L78 Camaro just yet..Charley hint hint. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif

[/ QUOTE ]

I am a little skeptical about the white L78 with the TH400; it may very well be 1 of 1
but until he comes up with a build sheet as far as I am concerned that car is a
Conversion. I don’t understand what the problem is with showing it, http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif I have been in
this hobby long enough to know that anything is possible, Even a 70 SS/L78 with a
TH-400. I have also learned that talk is Cheap, I hope that one day he will show it and
it is for real. That would really be something to trace back to see how and who had it
built.

L34 Camaro’s had 2 fuel lines going to the pump. Only the LT1 and L78 solid lifter engines with a Holly had a single line.
Mark L

[canadian_ssl78]

After seeing the latest pics it seems time and weather have
begun to take their toll.

[Charley Lillard]

"I am a little skeptical about the white L78 with the TH400; it may very well be 1 of 1
but until he comes up with a build sheet as far as I am concerned that car is a
Conversion. I don’t understand what the problem is with showing it,"
He has come up with a build sheet.He has shown the build sheet to many people. He has brought the build sheet to Camaro club meetings. The people I know that have seen it are smart enough to know a fake. The guy has absolutely no reason to make it up. He does not want his build sheet out there all over the net. He has dug his heels in about giving it out partly because of all the experts saying he is faking it. Come to Ca and ask to see it . He will probably show it to you but I don't think he is gonna let you make a copy of it. He drives the car to club events sometimes for everyone to see. I myself have not seen it yet because each time he has brought the sheet to a club meeting in his folder of paperwork on all his cars I have not been there. I'll still bet anyone 5,000.00 that the build sheet is real. Any takers ?

[70-SS/RS-L78]

Charlie it was my understanding that he would not show the build sheet to anyone. Bob Routt offered to fly out at his own expense to validate Jack’s car. Hear is a quote from Bob. (((“I have offered to fly at my expense to look over and document the car and look at the Build Sheet. When it came crunch time the owner backed out and was never heard of again”))) Charlie You are well respected by myself and the rest of the Musclecar/Supercar community and if the day ever comes that you can get a glimpse of the paperwork on Jacks L78 and YOU agree that it is real
I will then be a believer and I am sure the rest of the people that also share my opinion will agree that it is in fact a 70/L78 with the (M40) option. The one thing “We do all agree on” is that it is a Very Nice Car. I don’t blame him for keeping his paperwork confidential and not posted all over the internet………………
Mark L

Jack’s L78 Camaro
http://www.camarogenerations.com/memberfiles/jackwhite.html

[resto4u]

Im confused, thought we were talking about the orange camaro in colorado. It's easier to keep track when only talking about the car this tread is about. Roger

[Mr70]

You're right Roger.
We are referring to a white 1970 L78 Camaro in calif.,that was talked about on this site in the last year or so.
Of the 600 1970 L78 Camaros built,it was always "Assumed" they were all manual trans. cars,but this White camaro has a TH400.

[scotty karate]

I thought we were talking about the orange Camaro here in Colorado also...
Prolly need to get a different thread going on the white one...even though it isn't for sale really. Right?

Oh well, I don't care either way. I'll shut up and sit back with my popcorn! If someone needs more info on the orange one, let me know. From Nasty Z28,etc, I see that there is no 2nd gen. registry...so I'm not gonna go yap at the dealers for info if nobody really wants it. I can't afford the car right now, so I don't want to waste their time! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

I do love the knowledge on this board. You guys are amazing!

[70-SS/RS-L78]

My Bad, I guess I got a little off the original subject, Hey at least it was an L78. John you have
my email keep me posted on the Colorado Camaro. As Chuck mentioned earlier it will be tough
to prove if it is an LA car, Try to get someone to open the hood so you can check the trim tag and
fuel line. Someone in the area has to know owns that car if it has been sitting for all of them
years.
Thanks for your effort John
Mark L

[scotty karate]

Mark,
No problem on the help! I wasn't trying to sound cranky...I just don't want to post info in this thread if people are really more interested in the white one. It is totally cool with me either way. I just don't want to keep bringing up the orange Camaro if nobody cares about it....that's all! I enjoy this board immensely and hope to be a contributor of more substance down the road. Right now I just like to watch the expertise and dream a little.

I emailed CCO and asked them what the scoop is with that car and what they have/had to prove it's originality. I agree, someone has to know who owns this car. I'll dig into it more and see if I can figure it out. If CCO doesn't get back to me via email pretty quickly, I am just gonna run by there or call. I'll probably give them to COB on Monday and stop by there or call Tuesday. I just want to know for myself. I'll post whatever info I get. If CCO is not selling the car, I am going to see if they'll divuldge who owns it. I just cannot see how an original 70 L78 could have sat that long where it is and why no sale signs were never put in it. If I have to get into VIN searching, I might be able to check with a few law enforcement buddies.

What is decking a block anyway? Sorry for the noob question. I just don't know what it is. I think the original ad said they had the original "block" which to me means just the block (that has been decked). I know that the aircleaner is enough of a bear to get..how bad are the other parts to get if everything else is original except the motor/block? If the block is decked and that's all they have, someone might as well look for a complete NOM setup, I suppose.

[DSYenko]

Decking a block means the machine shop milled off a certain about of material to make the block level or flat so the cylinder head has a better seal.When the block is milled they are coincidentally taking material off the same surface that the original suffix codes /vin number is stamped into that matchs that block with the original vin of the body.When that is lost you actually can't say it "numbers matching" again.If they didnt mill an excessive amount off there are ways of being able to read the "lost" numbers/letters but thats another story in itself.

[scotty karate]

Thanks DS! Much appreciated. Sorry for the novice question.

[canadian_ssl78]

Scotty Karate.... Has there been any news regarding this orange car? It seems that the interest in this vehicle has died.

[scotty karate]

I haven't heard anything from Cool Cars Only. I've been busy starting a new job and with the holidays, I haven't paid much attention to this board. Sorry. To all of those who PM'd, sorry for taking so long to reply. I never use that feature and forgot about it. You can email me anytime though! I had emailed them a few weeks ago asking what proof they could provide as to originality since the block had been decked (according to them in their original ad) and have heard nothing from them. I am hesitant to go by and "demand" proof when I am just a tire kicker myself, technically. If someone does have a serious interest in this car (1 member seemed to), I don't mind stopping by and talking with them. That said, the member who seemed interested seemed like they were going to call Cool Cars Only, so I thought I'd leave it to them at this point unless they specifically ask me to stop by. The car is actually on private property, so I don't want to climb underneath it and start pulling codes. Standing by it and taking pics is one thing, monkeying with it is another. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif
I am trying to make sure that if someone is interested in the car, I don't screw it up for them and at the same time help them determine if this thing is real. All while not being a tire kicker and making someone mad. Heck, I haven't even driven by to see if it is still there. Maybe that member has already came by and grabbed it.

[70-SS/RS-L78]

IT”S BACK!!!!!
A member hear brought this car from Cool Cars last year. I still have not seen the pictures of the engine stampings that I asked for.

http://www.dealsonwheels.com/search/detailbig.cfm/Autos__ID/000396-200604-000001

[canadian_ssl78]

Mark, I see the price has increased slightly in two years. Maybe the parts included are some of the hard to find ones http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif

[DarrenX33]

Guess who has some pictures? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif

Mark check your email.

[70-SS/RS-L78]

Got Em Darren, Thanks. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif

[70-SS/RS-L78]

Hear are the pictures of the engine date and ??VIN??


http://pic4.picturetrail.com/VOL749/2756418/6684262/137948409.jpg
http://pic4.picturetrail.com/VOL749/2756418/6684262/137948400.jpg
http://pic4.picturetrail.com/VOL749/2756418/6684262/137948407.jpg
http://pic4.picturetrail.com/VOL749/2756418/6684262/137948404.jpg

[WILMASBOYL78]

I remember when this car was around $20k....but I was younger then.


wilma http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif

[canadian_ssl78]

[ QUOTE ]
Mark, I see the price has increased slightly in two years. Maybe the parts included are some of the hard to find ones http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif

[/ QUOTE ]

This car is now on ebay.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/70-Camaro...1QQcmdZViewItem (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/70-Camaro-SS-L-78-396-375-NO-RESERVE-not-69-68-67_W0QQitemZ4646354549QQihZ002QQcategoryZ6161QQrdZ 1QQcmdZViewItem)

[77Z28]

Based on build sheet the Camaro should have had PO2 wheel covers and no spoilers. What do P02 wheel covers look like?

Todd http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/flag.gif

[canadian_ssl78]

[ QUOTE ]
What do P02 wheel covers look like?

Todd http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/flag.gif

[/ QUOTE ]

The Camaro in this poster is equipped with a set

http://cgi.ebay.com/RARE-FIND-1970-Camar...1QQcmdZViewItem (http://cgi.ebay.com/RARE-FIND-1970-Camaro-SS-396-Sales-Poster_W0QQitemZ7246641344QQihZ015QQcategoryZ1316Q QrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem)

[77Z28]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
What do P02 wheel covers look like?

Todd http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/flag.gif

[/ QUOTE ]

The Camaro in this poster is equipped with a set

http://cgi.ebay.com/RARE-FIND-1970-Camar...1QQcmdZViewItem (http://cgi.ebay.com/RARE-FIND-1970-Camaro-SS-396-Sales-Poster_W0QQitemZ7246641344QQihZ015QQcategoryZ1316Q QrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem)

[/ QUOTE ]

Thanks, Occasionaly you would see a lady driving a 70 or 71 Camaro around town with painted steel wheels and half spere dog dishes. Talk about cheap looking.

Todd

[CamarosRus]

I see no Tonawanda "CKO" deck stamping or VIN # on bellhousing flange.....??????????

PO2 caps were seldom ordered (IMHO) because the much more poplular rally wheels(ZJ7)were half the cost


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v470/CamarosRus/Wheels%20Rings%20Caps/14x7.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v470/CamarosRus/Wheels%20Rings%20Caps/30_1.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v470/CamarosRus/Wheels%20Rings%20Caps/1970Ring14x7AirValveHolejpg.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v470/CamarosRus/Wheels%20Rings%20Caps/BabyMoon.jpg

[Draginwagon]

Thanks to all,
Curiosity got me to read the whole thread. I learned a Lot and just wanted to say, this is what makes this Board so great. Lots of Knowledge and people willing to share. Hope the Orange car goes to a good home.
Thanks
Draginwagon...

[DarrenX33]

What is wheel cover code "BW" on a buildsheet?

[Seattle Sam]

Old auction gone, now relistsed with no reserve
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayIS...=ADME:B:SS:MT:1 (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=4648401746&ssPageName= ADME:B:SS:MT:1)

[budnate]

I like it..stuff is boxed nice, right color... http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/Can-I-Have-It.gif

[DarrenX33]

It's interesting that the auction says that the 454 is a "excellent running engine". However, from the interior shot the car looks barely drivable. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif

[mockingbird812]

Better wear your hearing protection. That beast is uncorked!