1967 Baldwin Motion Camaro.

[MotownMadman]

Did anyone who was at Barrett Jackson see the driver quality 67 Baldwin Motion Phase III black Camaro? When I looked at the car it was in the post sale lot with a price of $69,995.00 on the window. Many things appeared correct on the car and some didnt. The real kicker was the letter on the dash that verified the car for what it was by Joel Rosen, if my memory serves me correctly it stated "after doing extensive research on this car and from examining the many documents provided to me from former owners I am satisfied that this is indeed a 1967 Baldwin Motion Phase III Camaro which makes it a very rare car due to the limited amount produced in 1967, Joel Rosen" So whats the story, anyone see this car or know of it? If it is real how come it is priced $100,000 to cheap, and why has no one bought it? Charlie?
Motown http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif

[bilede]

I saw this car about 2 weeks ago for sale at $68k and was told by others that the car is suspect and was originally a small block car and nicb and previous owners say it was never close to motion.. the letter is a copy of one from another car.. I thought it sounded real nice though, would be a great driver to have fun with.. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/3gears.gif

[Charley Lillard]

I believe that is the car that had two letters. One that it was and one that it wasn't...Cool car though.

[MotownMadman]

Charley,
I didnt see you at the auction, saw Bill wandering around...the very first thing I drooled over that was there was the Yale bikes.....I got some good pics to prove it. If you need any help with your new piece of motorcycle history let me know as I believe I have some printed literature and general history on these bikes, no doubt yours in particular. I have a friend that offered the seller more for those bikes then what they sold for a few months back, if you ever get tired dusting it let me know and I should be able to set you up with a buyer for profit.
Motown http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[427TJ]

Are you talking about this car? This one was on eBay over a year ago. I think it's from Texas.

[MotownMadman]

Hard to tell from one photo, the one I looked at had vintage magnesium 5 spokes that to a degree became a benchmark in the industry. The car I looked at had the correct Motion emblems on the rear portion of the front fenders just above the cross flags and the body line. A third emblem was dead center on the rear spoiler, only visible from behind. The valve covers each had a emblem, "Motion". The car in your photo seems to have a blue interior while the other was black, also the baffled type side pipes were on the car for sale. I am not positive but I think the scoop on the hood was red. Things that cant be seen in your photo is the car had frame connectors added, as well as bolt on traction bars which was odd since the rear axle housing still had the bracket welded in place for a passenger side traction bar. It had mono leaf springs, did Motion add muti-leaf? The hood had the correct underside structure as an original, not at all similar to the current reproductions available. Also had solid motor mounts and the driver side mount was taller. Had a correct BB heater box, which it and anything else discussed here could have been added at anytime. The hood pins seemed correct and had the right placement. Overall, everthing I mentioned here could have been added to the car in the photo, the interior color change seems like it would have been a major change with no benefit as far as proving the car to be a Motion. The car also had the correct hood springs for a lightweight glass hood. Charlie, I am sure you noticed the letter contained the VIN, but that also could have been nothing more then some trick work with a copy machine. Short of contacting Joel for a re-verification I dont see a way to decide the cars pedigree either way. The thing that lends non-credibility to the car is why priced so far under current market for a true "Baldwin Motion" car, which would also increase the desirability and value over a "Motion" conversion from another dealer or private individual. If it is real we all missed the boat. Anyone know an approximate number of 67 Phase Three cars to exist with documentation?
Motown http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[PxTx]

Sounds like it was a car dressed for auction as the "Motion" emblems were not used in 67. Probably not a correct resto or the car was later sent to motion for work.

[resto4u]

Is this the same car that was sold at the kruse auction in indiana? Was bought, and shipped to owner in OK. Then later bought back by kruse, was not real. Roger

[JoeC]

not sure if it is the same car but there has been a black 67 Camaro dressed like a Motion car bounceing around the country for sale at diffent locations. The car I am thinking of has a lot of issues.

[MotownMadman]

Joe,
If this car is a fraud which it sounds like, I would think that Joel would take issue with the forged letter that is displayed with the car with Joel's signature. The letter looked genuine enough, I have several printed Motion items with Joel's signature, from a visual perspective the signature appeared real. If the letter was for another car as Charlie said, I would think more then one law is being violated for adding in the VIN from this car, and since the car is being advertised and or sold in different areas of the US across state lines it becomes a Federal issue. Anyone here capable of asking Joel about this situation so this can possibly be brought to a halt before someone shells out the $$$$$ on a fake? If this car is already known as a fake on the circuit how did it end up at Barrett Jackson to begin with? Does BJ have any type of screening process on these cars? After reading about the LS-6 Chevelle Charlie had posted on and now this car, why is it that BJ is not flooded with litigation? I didnt see this Camaro go across the block but after seeing these bright light bulb announcers in action I would bet they described this as an actual Motion car, if they even knew what a Motion car was. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif I would think that if Southebys or Christies were selling fake Picasso's they would not be in business long. With the value of these cars approaching fine art at some point the pedigree of the car and the accuracy of the description will have to be correct and concise or it is just a matter of time before the big classic car auction firms go under due to unethical and illeagal transactions. Any thoughts or opinions on this?
Thanks,
Motown http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/bs.gif

[MrMotion]

Hello Motown. Here is a picture of a 67 Blk Camaro that I have. Only the picture.

[MrMotion]

Another picture. Nice to warm up to on these cold mornings.

[MrMotion]

Lets look at this also. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/burnout.gif

[MotownMadman]

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gifMr Motion, Do you own this car? It looks like the car the someone posted earlier in this thread. Sharp car, is it a true Motion car? I see no emblems as pxtx said, also no sidepipes, did the 67 Motion cars have them? I wish I would have thought to take some pics of the car at Barrett Jackson to post here. Which was the correct configuration for a 67 Motion Camaro, the dog dish or Torque Thrust? This looks like a nicer car then the auction car, how long ago were these taken?
Motown http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[matt murphy]

I heard the announcers from BJ on Speedvision say that they are describing the cars as the owners list them. They have no responsibility to the facts of the cars, just what the owners advertise them as. Some of them are fake but only disclosed if the announcers could figure it out. I agree, BJ needs to do their best to protect the buyers who put a lot of faith and trust in the auction house.

[MrMotion]

Motown, no I donot own this car. Some of these Camaros could be had with the 67 corvette sidepipes from Motion, but then no two cars could have been exactly alike.
Tony

[Jeff Murphy]

Mo:

I believe this is the car you are interested in:

67 Baldwin Motion at Auburn (http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=&Number=19059&page=&view=&sb=5&o= &fpart=1&vc=1)


Cool car, even if it is a fake, if you could pick it up for say south of $40,000 and drive the snot out of it...

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/3gears.gif

[MotownMadman]

Well there you have it! Chaulk another one up for the Supercar Police! A perfect example of the strength in numbers addage. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif This web site and others similar has made it increasingly more difficult for the fakes and fraudulent transactions to take place in this hobby. While there may be many here that could determine the validity of this car and others like it, there are also those who could have laid down honest funds on a dishonest car. It is a shame that cars such as this are still out there being represented as real where sooner or later someone who is new to this hobby will be taken in by the car, the letter, and I am sure the hype that is being sold with the car. This situation can cause someone with good intentions coming into the hobby to forever be soured against it. While it is common sense to do research on anything to be purchased, the research in this case would be the blessing of Joel which this car on the face seems to have. Only buy digging deeper or being a part of this website can the truth be known in this particular case. I am sure this car has been or will be added to the ever growing databases many have of suspect vehicles. Good job guys on keeping another mutt out of the purebred stables. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/worship.gif
Thanks,
Motown http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/flag.gif

[427TJ]

Here's an old magazine photo taken on front of Baldwin Chev back in the day. One car has a Stinger hood with "4-2-7" emblems and the second car has a SS hood. No sidepipes.

[427TJ]

Here's another magazine photo taken probably on the same day. Joel Rosen in the middle and Dave Bean on the right. Don't know who the other guy is. Maybe Mr. Baldwin? Note the Stinger hood and "427" emblems on the scoop.

[427TJ]

Here's the first (I think) '67 Motion SS 427 conversion car on the cover of the June '67 Cars Magazine. Tahoe Turquoise, SS hood, "427" Vette emblems on the hood, began life as a 350 car. The article discussed the L88 transplant under its hood.

[427TJ]

Some of the '67 "Motion" cars seen today have the '68 Impala style SS 427 emblems pasted on all over. Not saying that they aren't real Motion cars but those '68 "SS 427" emblems tend to go high-dollar on eBay. Yes, guys could have gone back to Motion, etc., in '68 with their '67s and had the '68 "status emblems" installed.

Sure would like to hear from Joel Rosen on such things. Too bad he doesn't offer a "Here's the truth" symposium at the SC reunion. That'd be worth the price of admission!

[COPO]

If you were fortunate enough to be able to attend SCR6 then you could have asked Joel yourself. He did answer a number of questions, although I don't recall anyone asking him about emblems. He did talk about a ZL-1 powered 69 Motion Camaro. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif

[427TJ]

I gotta' attend the next SC reunion. How cool would it be to meet Joel Rosen in person. Oh, and I just sent for the SCR 6 photo CD the other day.

[jfkheat]

I like the window of the dealership.
FANTASTIC FIVE
SS427 CAMARO
SS427 CHEVELLE
SS427 CHEVROLET
SS427 CORVETTE
SS427 CHEVY II
James

[motion2]

That car was real one of the few. to bad it sold to some lucky person in ohio somewere.

[motion2]

one owner wants it back real bad supposiedly so bad that he is trying to tell the guy it isnt real even though he has a letter from joel saying it is a real car.

[MotownMadman]

Motion2, are you saying the car that was at Barrett Jackson is a real car? A former owner wants it back bad enough that he is telling people it is not real? If that is the case why did he not buy it back while it was at BJ? How about filling out your profile so we all know a little about you?
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[motion2]

i am saying that the car at barrett jackson, the baldwin that was in the corral had a real letter from joel with his letter head and all. i am also saying that there was a rumor that a former owner wanted it back so bad that yes he was telling people it wasnt so he could get it back. the car didnt go for auction it was in the corral.

[427TJ]

Okay, so the guy who owns it now and has a letter from Joel Rosen is supposed to buy a story that the car isn't real after all? If I was the current owner I'd be reluctant as h_ll to part with the car under these circumstances. I'd probably reconfirm the car's pedigree with Joel Rosen and put the rumors to rest. But that's just me.

And yes, I understand that this is commenting on a rumor. It just has a fishy smell to it.

[MotownMadman]

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[COPO]

I thought LV bought this car when it was at auction last year and determined through NICB and previous owners that it was never near Long Island and the auction company took it back. I know this was discussed on the board a while back. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif

[olredalert]

-----Unless the car did sell at B-J,it is still held by the same California dealer that bought it from Kruse. He told me that because of a dispute with the original owner who wanted it back,that Kruse had to buy it back from the individual they sold it to. At that point Dean K had just bought back his company from E-bay,and sold the car cheap to wash his hands of it. According to this dealer,Joel wants nothing to do with this car or its paperwork now as he has been threatened with litigation if he says it is an original car by the original owner who was willing to lie about the cars history just to get it back.
-----All of this seems pretty far-fetched,I agree,but Im just reporting what I was told. The dealer involved here is well known and has a good reputation.........Bill S

[csx289]

The dealer is Chip Gerst. Well known, yes. Reputation, YES! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/haha.gif

Chip can be reached at 714 658 3148 , if anybody wants to talk to him directly.

Colin

[Belair62]

Weird story...so let me getthis straight..the dealer says the original owner will sue Joel if he says its a BM car ?

[sYc]

Hey, if you have it figured out, would you mind explaining it to me? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif

[Belair62]

If I had a BM Camaro I would sue Joel too to make sure no one would think it's real .. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif

[sYc]

NOW I get it. Sure wish Don was still around so I could get him to say my cars were not Yenkos. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif

[MotownMadman]

This is absolutly ridiculous! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/bs.gif This whole conspiracy theory just dont fit! Even with my sometines warped and twisted perception of things I cant find a spot outside the box to stand! The whole concept is based upon the idea of one of the original owners wanting it back........so bad he is going to threaten to sue the only man on the frigging planet who can turn a $15,000 driver Camaro into a BM car, so two things come to mind, nobody who can think outside a straight jacket would threaten to hammer the goose if it lays the golden egg, and even more absurd is the fact that if the previous owner knows the car is a BM and wants it back, now that it has a shadow hanging over it why not just BUY IT BACK! 250,000 people who attended Barrett Jackson could have bought that car, probebly for less then the asking price of $69,995, which if it is the Baldwin Motion this owner claims it to be, he could buy it for about half of WHAT IT'S WORTH! So, concoct a story like this to buy back a car that cant be documented because you threatened the source of documentation which means it will never see full value......when all you had to do is BUY IT BACK! Who the hell is the former owner, Tuttle? These guys are smoking better weed then I have ever seen, maybe the only reason I can see through this BS is because I didnt Inhale! The whole thing is ridiculous, this last week has been like going to the Comedy Den, first you got a guy trying to claim a car as being stolen from him and he wants it back, at the same time all the previous owners to the car are scrathing their heads and wondering why if this idiot wanted to go to prison so bad why not throw a brick through a post office window, at the same time another fool is convincing the world his old car is a fake to make it worthless all the while it's FOR SALE and he could have it at a moments notice to spend the next five years trying to convince the world it's real! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif Were these two guys related? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif Somebody get me a bottle of Crown Royal quick, I need some clarity in my life! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif
MomanMadtown http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif

[JoeC]

[ QUOTE ]
This whole conspiracy theory just dont fit!

[/ QUOTE ]
That's it!
The car was bought by the man on the grassy knoll http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif

[70 copo]

Mowtown,
I looked this car over too:

SS-427's on the hood too late for a this car (68-up)

Motion Plaques on fenders, spoiler, and valve covers- again too Late for a this car (69-up)

Hood was reproduction. and was cut out in the center. Chop Gun work on what was left was really smooth also.

Heads were polished.

Valve covers were the finned type with the rectangular centers for the plaques- again too late for a this car. (69 and up)


From the corrall:

The questions that were asked were related to the date of the additional work on the car listed above. There was ongoing debate reguarding if the parts that were late for the car were added later-by the owner. If the car was converted by Motion Perhaps just at a later date, or added by the owner at a later date. At any rate, the non period correct parts were the killers on the sale of this car as most people walked away shaking their heads. Myself included. The letter on the dash did not seem to factor into the opinions of the folks that passed on this car.

Nice car to drive however. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/3gears.gif

Phil

[SamLBInj]

[ QUOTE ]
These guys are smoking better weed then I have ever seen, maybe the only reason I can see through this BS is because I Inhale! Somebody get me a bottle of Crown Royal quick, I need some clarity in my life! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif
MomanMadtown http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif

[/ QUOTE ]
Geeze, No wonder you are so confused http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif
Just bustin on you..LOL
Sam http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[olredalert]

Matt,

-----I did say it was far-fetched didnt I? Want to make sure that no one here thinks I believed the tripe I heard. Just reporting what I was told. Dont shoot the messenger,please!............Bill S

[COPO]

You can read all about this car here. I've shown a couple of relevant posts from the thread below. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=&Number=19059&page=&view=&sb=5&o= &fpart=1&vc=1

[ QUOTE ]
Gentlemen, something is rotten in Denmark. The 1967 Motion Camaro I bought at Auburn has problems, possibly even legal ones. It does have a letter from Joel Rosen stating that it is a real Motion car, but last year it had a letter from Joel Rosen stating it was NOT a Motion car. We have talked to the origional first buyer, and he bought it new in Oklahoma City at Hudiburg Chevrolet in the third week of June 1967. The car was made the second week of May 1967.Yes , we now have a problem!!!!!How can Joel say this car came from Baldwin and is a Motion car, when last year he wrote it was not.And in five weeks from build date to selling date off new car lot in Oklahoma?????Gentlemen, maybe we put to much importance in a letter from Joel Rosen,which received his fee from both previous owners. This is a $100,000 deal that has gone south, I have the car now , waiting for the end result, with my check having had payment stopped!!!!


[/ QUOTE ]

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It was the NCIB report that found the origional dealership, to be Hudipold Chevrolet in Oklahoma City and we now know the list of all the former owners of the car, and have talked to all but one who was killed .In saying the car was unverifiable last year, Joel stated the car had come from Kline Chevrolet in Va.


[/ QUOTE ]

[ QUOTE ]
Well closure is near. The folks at Kruse/eBay auctions which held the large auction in Auburn are a class act. They are taking the car back at their expence and going to sell it as a clone and give the proceeds that are left after they take their due commissions out and give the remaining amount to the seller. The reason and how the new letter from Joel came into being, I will not discuss. If any of you guys frequent the classic car auctions, then you know that the Kruse,the Leake, and the Branson auction that Jim and Kathy Cox has are the top of the line. They are at the top for integrity along with the fine people at Russo-Steele and the Barrett-Jackson auctions. In a crazy world where some people try to make a fast buck, it is nice to deal with people who still do business the old fashioned way, with pride and passion for their work.


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[csx289]

FYI: The car SOLD at Barrett-Jackson in the car corral for $65k. Went to a buyer who accepted the car that was represented as a clone, and didn't care. Said he knew real ones were 2-3x the money and just wanted a car to drive.

For what I saw people paying for cars that were no more real, but just represented as such, does $65k really seem that bad? Maybe you could build it for that, but maybe not. It was originally a black L78 car, so that has got to be worth something.

Again, maybe we should ease up on guys buying what they like.As long as they don't ask us to help pay, who cares? ENTHUSIASM is what makes the hobby, NEGATIVITY is what kills it.

Sorry for the honesty, could be the drinks I had tonight. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif

Regards to all,
Colin

[MotownMadman]

Maybe you didnt drink enough. I started this thread, if you go back and read it from beginning to end you will find that the discussion was not about the current owner of the car, nothing negative was really brought up about the owner. I actually feel for the guy. The discussion was about the car and it's history, which is what this board is for. I had some well founded questions about it, if the answers are anywhere they would be here. The negativity came about when the story of a past owner who is allegedly lying in an effort to get even or get the car back, whichever, but lies will help none of these cars or the hobby. The lies are blatantly negative and should be treated as such. The negativity here came from a past owner, not the current or future owners. And you are right, let someone buy the car, no one is saying otherwise, a few even commented on what a nice car it was and how much fun it would be.....not negative, so as it states here already, instead of lies, deciet, or conspiracys, for Gods sake somebody buy it so maybe they can come here and tell the rest of the hobby what it really is.......if they choose to. As for asking us to pay? Well, I disagree, as anytime a situation that involves lies, deciet, fraud, or any shadowy transaction takes place in this hobby it costs all the rest of us in a bad reputation for the hobby and people involved, it causes people who may have joined the hobby to have second thoughts, in a way it can even decrease the value of legitamite collector cars. The last thing any hobby needs is a nervous buying audience. It is not a situation of this car being advertised in a local hometown paper, this was the biggest collector car auction on the planet with world wide coverage. Anytime someone shells out the kind of money it takes to collect these cars, like Motion cars, they have a right and responsibility to do research and investigate anything that is on the market, and that is done through many ways, including web sites like this one. If someone owns a car that could possibly be one of a few on the planet, dont expect to bring it to a function like Barrett Jackson without it being discussed. If you cant stand the scutiny, dont get under the magnifying glass! This car has apparently had past issues, anyone with common sense would know it would cause a certain amount of controversy at a world wide event. I still cant grab on to the big picture here anyway, a former owner wants the car back, so he lies about it to damage it's reputation in order to buy it.....yet the whole time it is FOR SALE and could be bought at any time without all the BS! Which in my opinion by the way, doesnt make any sense and I think the whole story is BS! The point is however, considering what the car is represented to be, and the current market value for a real car like that, anyone with an interest has a right to question everything. That particular car was one of the few at BJ that I would have had an interest in buying if it turned out to be real, so with 70K at stake I am supposed to buy it without asking questions? Right...... http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/no.gif
Motown http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/bs.gif

[70 copo]

Motown,

Correct. As I stated. I was there - and looked this car over good. This car did not have the words "Clone" "replica" or "recreation" listed on any of the discriptions. Just the letter from Joel on the dash, and "Motion Camaro" on the discriptions. That would lead me to believe that the car was not described "completely". (now being PC here) Buyer Beware...

It was clear that many potential buyers at Barrett were smart, and in no small part owe that to the existance of this site, and the good people that post here. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/flag.gif

Phil

[MrMotion]

Does this mean that any signed and notarized afidavit that may accompany any vehicle be deemed unimportant because of the belief that there could be a degree of untruth?

Tony

[Jeff H]

If the buyer knew the car was questionable and accepted it that way, then it's probably not too bad of a buy. If it's a real L78 car then it has some solid value to it. But it comes down to people buying what they want. I think it was established last year that this car is not a BM car.

[70 copo]

Not at all Tony. An informed purchase factors all information in. I was there Were you?? If so I did not meet you. But I met and spoke to quite a few bidders like myself. In reguard to this car I did not draw an immediate conclusion. A fool is easily seperated from his wallet and cash. Lots of people looked at the car. I passed on the car based upon the information presented - so did lots of other people. It is now my understanding that the buyer understood it was a clone. The letter on the Dash of the car did not indicate it was a clone. Enough said. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif

[MrMotion]

Would you have bid on this car if there was no afvitavid? If you have a letter for and one against then you have no letter. I am old enough to say that my experience owning and driving these HP cars as "NEW" in their time period is an experience only a few can atest to. I have not seen the word "COPO" in the Dictionary yet.

Tony

Tony

[T Billigen]

Phil, did you buy anything? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[70 copo]

Billigen,

Thanks for asking!

I bid on three cars. Got out of all three, after quick figuring the 8%, taxes, and transport. Risky business when you are approaching 6 figures and the ringman is in your face!

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

Phil

[70 copo]

Mr. Motion,

Let me assist you in understanding this matter:

1. The car was not subject to auction. It was in the preexisting car corall. Offers were being accepted. I first looked at the car on Tuesday. And no I would not have bid on this car because I could have purchaced it outright then.

It did attract quite a following all weekend. There was lots of conversation about the car.

2. The letter that appeared to attest that the car was a true motion car on the dash was a photocopy. There ware no indications that the letter was notorized ("afvitavid"??) at all. The only authentication was Joel's signature.


I am gladdened to now know that you are old enough to know quit a bit about these cars. I recently completed the work on Hassett's 1968 Phase 3 L-88 427. It is a fast car. I have driven it. It also has the real paperwork from Joel and I know exactly what that looks like, and so does Joel.

In fact Joel told me at SCR #6 (Pointing at Marks car after he started it) "This is what I want in my Garage".

I will pass on the dictonary comment... Are we done yet??
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[T Billigen]

I bet that would be pretty nerve racking. Nice job on Marks car! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/3gears.gif

[MGINLA]

Here is a picture of the car. The one at Barrett

[MGINLA]

The engine.

[427TJ]

Those are the new style American Torque-Thrust D's and the fan shroud looks like the poor-fitting BB repop that was selling several years ago. (The new repop BB shrouds are much better, BTW.) Neat looking car with the mags, redlines and mid-year Vette sidepipes. Too bad it has issues regarding its pedigree.

[427TJ]

Did you get a photo of the cowl tag???

[MGINLA]

No. Sorry I did not.

[T Billigen]

Pretty car! It "talks the talk" but it is ashame it does not walk the walk" http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/3gears.gif

[hvychev]

That car rocks! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/headbang.gif I would love to beat the snot of it! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[MrMotion]

Thankyou for the clairification. Did you get a feeling like you were back in 1968 when you drove the 68 L88 Camaro? That's when all your good work pays off. Stay in Touch.
Tony

[motion2]

the car sold but not cause guy knew it was a clone.

[motion2]

they car was not represented as a clone the letter was a copy but if you got in touch with the guy selling car he brought the actual letter out signed.

[Jeff H]

So will there be another disgruntled owner of this car soon or was he happy with it as it was?

[T Billigen]

I drove a 68 L-88 Camaro back then, What a rush!!!!!! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/burnout.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/3gears.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif

[Mr70]

And you'll be Driving it again soon... http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif

[T Billigen]

Only on and off the trailer http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/haha.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/haha.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/3gears.gif

[motion2]

i think happy from talking to the guy.

[motion2]

the guy that bought the car is from akron ohio. right down the road from me. he has a nice collection.

[70 copo]

Tony,

In a word - the ride is violent. It hooks up like a race car. Super Bite suspention works well. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif

If you are going to Chevy Vettefest or SCR #6 let me know. I am buying at the bar, (at least the first round) http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

Phil

[MrMotion]

Phil, I'll see about coming this year. I was born in Toronto, but haven't had a Passport in over 30 years and I 've got to get that done so there is no turning back when I cross the border. I can get across to the Adesa Auction House in Buffalo because I am registered there with photo id but one day they may say no. The adrenalin rush is "something else" when you drop the hammer on one of these sleepers EH!
Tony
Tony http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[70 copo]

EH!!! Good - You will have fun. when your travel plans come together let me know. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

Phil