I'm thinking of buying a GTO

[zgator]

I've come into some money and am looking into buying a GTO.I want a real nice driver 66-70 has to be a 4 speed.Can any of you Goat owners know what I might need to spend.I drive all my muscle cars so I don't want a show car but do want one nice enough to go to the local shows. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/3gears.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/3gears.gif

[D.Layman]

69 - 70's down here (in FL) are being sold anywhere from about $13k-$15k.... For alledgedly original cars...

[supergonzo]

If you can find nice driver complete original 69 GTO for 13K, buy it now. Or please give me the phone number.

[hvychev]

I was thinking the same thing.......

[D.Layman]

Well, now that you put it that way, maybe I should add this car to my list of what I might buy...

Are you saying that 69 - 70 GTO's are worth alot more than than the price's I indicated above?

Hmmm.. Let me see...
1968 GTO PHE documented numbers match. 4spd, posi. $12k obo

1969 GTO, 400WS block, 4spd, 12 bolt, great shape. $13,900.

1970 GTO, 400ci, auto, numbers match, cold a/c, 12 bolt. POCI show winner. $15,850 obo....

Are these possibly better buys than the cars I listed in my thread about what car would be the best project?
I didnt think the 68-70 GTO's were highly coveted....
Thanks

[Belair62]

Good ones are...

[supergonzo]

The problem is almost every car Pontiac or otherwise that I have looked at in the past 25 years.....the owner and I have had different opinions as to what the terms "matching numbers" "mint" "in show condition" "completely original" " show winner" mean.

email me their phone numbers

[StealthBird]

I agree. Those prices sound awefully cheap, especially a POCI show winner! Take a look at some of the auto sales sites or even E-bay, and you can see what a decent 68-70 GTO goes for. They average around $15,000 to $20,000 for "decent" examples or drivers, and they are usually base models, no Ram Air, automatic, and are "20 footer" cars.

I tell ya, if you want a driver GTO, think about getting a clone. Most of the GTO clones out there are 64-67's, but I've seen a few 68/69's, especially now that they've repro'd that Endura bumper, and make the GTO hood in steel. You can have a mint clone for the price of a "driver" authentic. Of course, if you have any intention of keeping the car or are interested in resale, get the real one.

Here's my soapbox....

The 68 GTO's are way undervalued in my opinion. It was the 1968 Motor Trend Car Of The Year, and Pontiac's revolutionary Endura nose, coupled with a "bumperless" look, made it a standout in the 1960's. The bumperless look was quickly picked up by other makes in the Musclecar Era, then for the most part went away in the mid to late 1970's as a cost cutting measure, and chrome bumpers came back into fashion (the Camaro, Firebird, and Corvette maintained that bumperless look). Into the 1990's and now especially today, there's hardly a car made that DOESN'T have the "bumperless" look. I always thought the 68 GTO was instrumental in the way cars were styled from that point forward. Add the hideaway headlight option, and I think the 68 GTO was as important to automotive styling in the 1960's as the 1955 Chevy was to 1950's design.

I'm done now. Back to your regularily scheduled program. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[D.Layman]

I'm gonna go and see these cars in person this wk-end... If I can varify their authenticity, than for the above prices I am getting a smoken deal, eh?
They all have the ram air hoods and hide away lights... (dont know if they are actual ram air's or not yet, but the hoods are...

Do these cars in those years have any balls?
How would they rate in the performance arena compared
to the other major players?

[Belair62]

They all have hood scoops but not all open up for Ram Air

[DaJudge]

The 68-70 GTO's all had the same style hood.The Ram air hoods had the bracing trimmed to clear the components of the upper ram air pan. Ram Air cars had plastic scoops that were open for Ram Air. The non-ram air cars had closed scoops that were cast out of pot metal. Hide-aways were an option on 68 and 69. Check the rears, you note 12 bolt for the 69 and 70. Pontiacs had 10 bolt rears in those years unless it was a 70 with the 455 engine option, then it got the 12 bolt rear. The 69 GTO you listed in your post would be my first look since it says "WS 400". The WS code is a 400 Ram Air III engine, it may be a 69 Goat with Ram Air. On the passenger side of the timing cover you should see the last six digits of the VIN on the engine block. Good Luck http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/flag.gif

[Belair62]

Mike...clarify for me...is the VIN stamped on the machined part of the block or the engine number ????

[GTO_DON]

BOB ITS DON,THE VIN IS STAMPED NEXT TO THE TIMING COVER UNDER THE LOWER RAD HOSE. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/flag.gif

[supergonzo]

The 68 ram air cars had plastic open hood scoops
The 69 ram air cars were opened or closed by a cable which routed under the dash to a knob....like this

[Belair62]

I never new that...I thought they only put the engine number on them...makes sense a VIN would be somewhere !On another note....was the front air dam on a 70 semi-gloss,gloss or body color ???

[DaJudge]

Hi Bob. The front spoiler was a satin or semi gloss black. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif