New Ebay Scam Auctions

[Mark_C]

With the current trend of ebay scam ads going on anyone recognize this car. Michigan vintage front plate 14M-035, Silver COPO and or COPO Clone, becasue someone is using the images in what is probably a scam. Clues are private auction, has no clue what he is describing, will ship the car after receiving a $999 deposit. Vague description of location, hasn't sold anything ever. Seller legion 9

http://i18.ebayimg.com/01/i/01/7c/8d/21_1_b.JPG

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=6161&item=24666087 92

If this car picture belongs to anyone you might want to inform Ebay.

[yountto]

Same "broker" as the 2 z28s for 12k buy it now last week on ebay...

[LVCamaro]

Hey...that's Motown's boots and Jim M.'s COPO Camaro [with optional DZ 427...LOL].

SS

[Musclecarkid]

Looks like one of the ultra rare 6 cylinder, corect DZ, 427 COPO's to me. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/haha.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/bs.gif

[GMC_Typhoon]

Here it is (http://www.motorcities.com/contents/03L4G054275275.html)

[Belair62]

Nice black sports stripes !

[gemleeus]

imo, if ebay doesn't do something about this kind of crap, they're gonna be shooting themselves in the foot. when it comes to large dollar items like this no one will trust the items listed on their site, and they will become nothing more than a flea market.

[jfkheat]

How would Ebay go about stopping stuff like this? There is no way to screen the millions of items put up for auction every day. By the time it is caught, someone has already been screwed. If Ebay finds a way to police the auctions, the scammers will come up with something new. Ebay needs to send an email to all users describing these auctions and how they work. All we, as users of the car websites, see are the auto related scams. I'm sure there are plenty of other items that we never hear about.These scammers are making money off the greed of the Ebay users. The people that are getting scammed are the ones that are going for the "deals that are too good to be true."
James

[NCGuy68]

Oh Boy!! Here we go again.....


Said it before and I'll say it again. Use extreme caution with any internet sales..Ebay or otherwise!

[gemleeus]

if they could some how regulate the big money items, i'm sure the amount of those type items listed are a great many also. its such a shame, i guess i need to come back to reality and understand the world we live in.

[rpoz11]

Man! What a CRIME this should be! This has got to have some sort of liabilty issue with eBay and local state laws as well! And, apparently this was listed with a Chicago, Illinois location! This is just WRONG!!! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbsdown.gif

[427TJ]

Don't blame eBay, blame PEOPLE. Dishonest people will always, always, always find a way to separate other people from their money (and/or their valuable possessions). All eBay can do is respond to our complaints when such scam auctions are underway by cancelling the auction and perhaps bar that seller from eBay. But all the barred seller has to do is re-register under a new alias, etc., and they're back in business. The world is full of sob stories about people getting robbed in one way or another and eBay is just another method of doing so. In my experience eBay's great, you just have to watch out for the crooks.

[MotownMadman]

What the F%#@! I dissapear for a minute and next thing you know people are stealing my S%#@! I took these photos of Mattisons COPO and this dick wad is trying to burn somebody out of a grand using my pictures? Talk about an a$$ whippin! I have contacted Ebay screaming bloody murder, we shall see if they listen.
MotownReallyPissedMadman! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif

[MotownMadman]

I just popped in a $30,000 bid to make me high bidder, I will take a negative feedback to stop this mutt from burning somebody!
Motown http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif

[jfkheat]

I just got off the phome with Cam Motors in Conneticut. They are the ones that have the car on the MotorCities website. I let them know about the auction. They said they had the car on Ebay a couple months ago but they didn't know anything about the current auction. Hopefully they can contact Ebay and get the auction stopped before someone gets taken.
James

[jfkheat]

I can't find the link to report these auctions to Ebay. How do you report them to Ebay?
James

[Mr70]

I've had good luck with this number in the Past.
Ebay Customer Support 1-888-749-3229.

[427TJ]

I think "dickwad" is one word. See also: "Dillweed."

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[MotownMadman]

I emailed this idiot through Ebay to give him a ration of S#@#, he actually Emailed me back using his regular Email, his name is Chris Hornacek, any way to get an address by tracing back his Email? I notified ebay through a live chat, they are going to end the auction, seems now that I know who this guy is I should be able to notify the Feds? Any thoughts on this?
Motown http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif

[Belair62]

Yeeee Hawwwwwww...I was starting to get a complex Mo...no one else knows what Purple Haze was !!!

[Jeff H]

Did you also notice that these guys also run a short auction so they have a better chance of screwing somebody. They would probably also try to get a deposit or some money or threaten the winner with negative feedback. So Motown, what did this guy actually say to you in his reply?

[Mr70]

Mo
Just a thought.
Type in his last name & Illinois on Anywho.com
12 listings come up,although none named Chris...

Belair62
If you remember Purple Haze,then you really weren't there.
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[John]

MotownMadman.....you have email.... http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

[gemleeus]

isn't that a song by jimi hendrix? probably sticking my foot in my mouth.

[Belair62]

Somethin like that Gem..... http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif

[MotownMadman]

Ok, I got him guys, in my past life I spent a lot of time around people with the proverbial criminal mind. That kind of thinking is what it's going to take to get these kind of guys. Thats what it took to outsmart this mutt.

Here is how they pull this off. First, there are more then one in on the scam, that explains the fact that when this guy was asked by someone from this board where to send the deposit to the reply was an address in new York, while he claims residence in Illinois. Therefore he never accepted any payment in his name or his address. That makes it tough to catch the guy at any more then running a false auction for kicks. Meanwhile, the mutt up in New York is running different auctions with the payment going to the Illinois address. Common sense would dictate the old "If it's too good to be true...", but, the chance at a super good deal for $999? Many would take the risk. So, Heckel and Jeckel get together at the end of the month and split up the dough. Pretty clean except here is how they screwed up......

The idea is to open a account with Ebay, (while it is probebly dozens of accounts), buy up a bunch of little stuff to get good feedback then do the big$$$ scams as long as possible on that account. He almost got it right.....In about 10 more days it would have been too late to click on the feedback left for him from a past buy he made to see the auction which allows a Email from anyone(Me), to the person he last bought from, which that honest Ebayer provides the full name and address of the person they sent the item to in Illinois, and there it is, full name and address of our cyberspace thief. Big thanks to Jennifer who is an honest Ebay Power Seller and more then willing to help with that information. The good outweigh the bad on Ebay.

This guy is going down.

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[John]

...Motown, You got another email http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

[resto4u]

matt, awesome! Hope he is wearing bracelets soon. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif Roger

[70 ls6 convert]

i sure like this site,you guys are wright on top of those scammers,i feel its my duty to let you know about the dz 302 rods on ebay, i won, and sent him money and the guy sent stock chevy rods,He uses a picture of orginal dz 302 full floating, 0 casting,then sends stock chevy rods,BECARFUL, ebay #24497374-2463295196-

[Denis]

http://www.corvettes-musclecars.com/yenko.net/busted.gif

[jfkheat]

Motown,
Nice investigative work but how do you know that the peoson that the account is registered to is the one running the scam? I would almost be willing to bet that the person that listed this car gained access to someone elses Ebay account. These people can't be dumb enough to run a scam using their real name and email address. This is probably connected to the emails that said they were from Ebay and saying that your account would be closed down if you didn't contact them with your Ebay info, including your password. I hope that the info you have is correct and these guys bet busted but I would be very surprised if it happens. Just my opinion.
James

[MotownMadman]

I think this one is dumb enough. I emailed him using the link on the auction page, that would mean someone must be able to block and intercept your Email, when he emailed back he used his personal Email with his name, which is the same as the name on the Ebay account. Following are the addresses, for the ebay account holder and for where payment is to be sent.

Seller:
Chris Hornacek
41B Jeanette Dr
Granite City, Il 62040

Payment address:
Theo Alexandrou
945 5th Ave
New York, NY
10021

Anyone in that part of Illinois or have a relative that is a active Fed?
Motown http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

[GMC_Typhoon]

[ QUOTE ]
I think this one is dumb enough. I emailed him using the link on the auction page, that would mean someone must be able to block and intercept your Email, when he emailed back he used his personal Email with his name, which is the same as the name on the Ebay account. Following are the addresses, for the ebay account holder and for where payment is to be sent.

Seller:
Chris Hornacek
41B Jeanette Dr
Granite City, Il 62040

Payment address:
Theo Alexandrou
945 5th Ave
New York, NY
10021

Anyone in that part of Illinois or have a relative that is a active Fed?
Motown http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

[/ QUOTE ]
Alexandrou, George
945 5 Ave
MANHATTAN, NY 10021
212-794-4451

Stall, Candice
41 Jeanette Dr
GRANITE CITY, IL 62040
618-931-2757

Bell, Richard D
41 Jeanette Dr
GRANITE CITY, IL 62040
618-931-1363

[RS/SS Pro Street Camaro]

There is currently a new scam auction of the same one that you had listed.http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2466608792&category=61 61

[L88 CORVETTE]

Its the same car,ft lic plate is blacked out.I checked his feedbak,all positive,but he has never SOLD anything,just bought.Once a scammer always a scammer!Too lazy to actually work for a living,thats my guess. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif

[Daves70SS]

[ QUOTE ]
Motown,
Nice investigative work but how do you know that the peoson that the account is registered to is the one running the scam? I would almost be willing to bet that the person that listed this car gained access to someone elses Ebay account. These people can't be dumb enough to run a scam using their real name and email address. This is probably connected to the emails that said they were from Ebay and saying that your account would be closed down if you didn't contact them with your Ebay info, including your password. I hope that the info you have is correct and these guys bet busted but I would be very surprised if it happens. Just my opinion.
James

[/ QUOTE ]

James,I think you are right on with that one because I have gotten emails like that in the past from what looks like there from Ebay but acually there not along with other emails that have the topic like RE:question for seller item #****** and when you check the item number or the user name that sent it they show up as invalid.I aways forward those emails to [email protected] thats the email address to ebays investigation group that checks out those emails and they say just to forward the emails like that to them and they will check it out and get back to you on it.In a response I got from ebay about one of those emails I forworded them they said that those people try to steal peoples ebay password so they can access their accounts.
If you can gain access to someones account I think you can change/update the email address or even add a payment address.In this case I think thats what they did and Chris from granite city just might be innocent.So when you email the seller it goes to a different person but he responds using Chris's name.Also since Ebay bills your credit card for the selling fee's I would think that Chris's (the innocent one in this) credit card might get billed also for the selling fees.
This is just a theory.

Dave

[Jeff H]

I can't believe Ebay hasn't stopped this auction yet. Motown, have you contacted Ebay to stop the auction? If so, they are really slacking.

[jfkheat]

Dave,
That's the point I was trying to make. When I get emails asking for my Ebay or Paypal user info, I always forward it to Ebay or Paypal. The Paypal email address is [email protected]. I'm also surprised the auction hasn't been stopped. I called Cam Motors and let them know about the auction. They had the car on Ebay a couple months ago and I think they still own the car. I would think that they would contact Ebay.
James

[jfkheat]

Auction has been stopped. It says to sell to the current high bidder. Hope nobody gets taken.
James

[Mark_C]

Heres another:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=6161&item=24671940 82

Seller is from Australia been on Ebay since Sept of 03 has 104 feedbacks buying and selling mostly household, but 69 RS has Georgia license plates. 3 Day Auction, free shipping, private auction.

Huge ad with 74 pictures, dialups beware

[jbsides]

The new one is gone already. Rings up as invalid.

JB

[GTO_DON]

HERES HOW I UNDERSTAND IT WORKS, IF YOU SELL THINGS ON EBAY! YOU GET A NOTICE FROM EBAY SAYING SOMETHING IS WRONG WITH YOUR ACCOUNT!,WHEN YOU RESPOND,THIS PERSON WHO SENT YOU THE EMAIL GETS ALL YOUR EBAY INFO! THEN HE GOES INTO YOUR ACCOUNT AND CHANGES THE EMAIL ADDRESS AND PAYMENT INFO!, THEN HE PUTS SOMEBODY ELSES CAR ON YOUR ACCOUNT AND TRYS TO GET YOU TO SEND 2500.00 DOLLARS TO HIM, AND TELLS YOU THE BALANCE IS DUE WHEN HE SHIPS YOU THE CAR! AND YOU GUYS KNOW THE REST. THE MONEY IS USUALLY SENT TO ANOTHER COUNTRY! EBAY REALLY NEEDS TO STOP THIS http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/bs.gif! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbsdown.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbsdown.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbsdown.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbsdown.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbsdown.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbsdown.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbsdown.gif

[Mark_C]

I know the images in this auction must belong to someone on this site:

http://carad.ebayimg.com/i21/03/a/01/85/ce/b4_1.JPG

Burnished Brown RS COPO with endura front bumper. I can buy it now for only $9K. Even has the Ed Cunneen Certification in the ad.

3 day auction, must register, etc. Seller bonmastr 315 feedbacks can't get to any of his old auctions

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=6161&item=24680656 67#mainImage

[gemleeus]

that car is for real, the auction of course is not.

[69LM1]

I just emailed road runner (the email service that this joker uses) and also submitted him for e-mail abuse through the computer company that I own. If you notice, he has several other car auctions going right now. A 70 Shelby stang for 9,000.00 buy it now.

[Mark_C]

Anyone want a nice 67 Big block Camaro?


67 396 Camaro Ebay auction (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2468279518#ShippingPay ment)

According to emails from the Scammer, I mean seller it is in London England, and he will pay shipping, etc.

Text of his message:
I am glad that you like my CAMARO.
Well, I have to let you know that is in perfect shape. It has NO FLAWS, NO SCRATCHES or DENTS.
I bought it directly from an authorized GM dealer.
I've moved from Chicago, IL, to London, UK 2 months ago and I will ship the car from here supporting the shipping taxes, insurance and handling via
1 DAS (800) 726-2693
2 Seabridge International (410) 633-0550
3 Ship Overseas (formerly 2 A Auto) (888) 779-9153 or (858) 578-794
so you will receive the car in maximum 7 days. The price that I hope to obtain is $10,000.00 and if you agree with this price we can start the transaction.
I`m waiting for your mail in order to close this deal.
Thank you.

[Mark_C]

Heres a nice 69 Z28 small block Yenko in a 3 day preapproved bidder only auction.

Description from the ad:
1969 CHEVROLET CAMARO YENKO
This is a original Yenko.
Beautiful Houndstooth Interior a 350 CID Engine With a 4 Speed Transmission.
Dont Wait On This One!

http://i3.ebayimg.com/03/i/01/8c/22/1f_1.JPG

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=6161&item=24689884 98