Dick Harrell Nova???

[KNAPPY]

Has anyone seen this car on E-bay?


http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2467366882&category=61 72#ebayphotohosting

[budnate]

I am no Dick Harrell expert by any strech, I do know a little about engraving if you look at the tag he has a picture of, It appears to be a new one, as it does not have holes in it, and the way the text was laid out it will not match the existing holes on the firewall,and the text is off, looks like he hit is local Trophy shop for a new plate to me. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/scholar.gif

Bud.

[WILMASBOYL78]

Maybe yes, maybe no. Why do people place ads like this?? My mother might be the queen of England, but she's not. But then again, she is still my mother. If I had a car to sell and I thought it might really be one of the 50, I would do my homework first then ask ALL the money!!!!

Wilma http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif

Is there a list of vins for those 50 cars spoken of in the ad? Who is this forum's go-to person in regard to these cars?

[GTO_DON]

WHAT KIND OF PLATE DO YOU SUPPOSE WAS UNDER THE TRIM TAG?? LOOKS LIKE SOMETHING WAS THERE FOR YEARS.

[skierkaj]

More than years . . . probably decades. I wouldn't doubt that it's some sort of modified car; the spot under the trim tag sure makes it seem like it has some sort of special history. I guess what I'm saying is, keep an open mind until it's proven false.

I don't want to automatically discredit an add. In fact, I hope evey day for a new listing or add like this, to check in to. It helps me keep my hopes and dreams alive. When a car prooves to be something other than it is advertised, I move on and keep looking. I know we need education in supercar history from time to time, but since this thread is so fresh, let's try to keep this history lesson positive.

[Allen]

The ad and pictures for this Nova are lousy. They don't help with anything. There are no pics of the rest of the interior or parts, or the firewall, or the radiator core support, or anything like that.

One can't even look for the clues of a big block, much less the clues for a COPO. The most I can get out of it is that it looks like it had bucket seats and a console.

With only 50 of the COPO's being built, and a handfull of BB cars total, there sure were a lot more "regular" and small-block SS Novas being built in that same time frame. So, yes it could be, but it also might not be. Not enough information.

[YENKO DEUCE REGISTRY]

There really isn't much to go on here, the are no pic's of any BB items, no pic of the radio delete dash, no paperwork, not even a vin to check out. The only clues are the build date and body color like the ad states, how many turquoise Novas were made in '68 with a 735 trim code?

[68TopStock]

Everybody just hold your comments, I have sent an email to the owner to see what I can do to help confirm or deny this car.

[YENKO DEUCE REGISTRY]

The word is that it's been confirmed, Ed and Porterfield have the numbers. If it's true, expect to see the ad change to reflect that.

[matt murphy]

The owner emailed me and said it was confirmed as COPO Nova # 4. Sounds like an interesting find . . . http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/flag.gif

[Mr. T]

Hey Matt, did the owner give you the Vin#? Thanks.

[skierkaj]

Interesting? I would say awesome! Cars like this make me wish I had money to buy them. I can only hope that one day I'll have the money to pursue awesome cars like this.

And don't give me the 'ol line about working hard, and someday you'll have the money; It doesn't work that way . . . I've discussed this with my Sociology teacher numerous times. The rich are forever rich, and the poor keep getting poorer. That's the way our economic system is designed. That's not to say that I'm poor, but I definitely couldn't afford a car of that caliber.

Maybe if it was through someone's good graces . . .

[skierkaj]

What's with all the Dick Harrell cars popping up lately? Possibly a 1969 Camaro, and now the Nova . . .

It's a Dick Harrell revolution!! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/headbang.gif

[YENKO DEUCE REGISTRY]

Some better pics of those tough to find parts would help, and a pic of the cert.

Hmmm, Sociology Prof's - surely have their finger on the pulse of national economics http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif Shouldn't they be studying the negative effects of clothing on pigmys or something?

[Jeff H]

Now I'm a little confused. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif What is it that makes this Nova a COPO? Was it originally a 4 speed car that was converted to a TH400? Or was this one of the 50 TH400 396/375 cars built for racing purposes?

[skierkaj]

Indeed, studying the negative effects of clothing on pigmys would be interesting, but then you would have to take in to account numerous variables, such as what each of the pigmys' thoughts would be about each of the other pigmy's clothes. Confusing! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif Our world is based on peoples perceptions of others. See, I am learning something in college!

Well, time for another cold one! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

Speaking of beer, who's got green beer for St. Patty's Day?

[YENKO DEUCE REGISTRY]

All console Novas have a floor hump, regardless of whether they are 4sp or a/t. Per the seller, the car is confirmed as one of the 50 COPO cars, but not sure if it has a connection to Harrell.

We drink good Rolling Rock beer from a Green bottle, does that count http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[Jeff H]

Ok, I read his description again and it says the 4 speed stuff was probably added later in time. So this is 1 of the 50 cars. Pretty cool and the body looks to be in decent shape. Better bid quick before he increases the reserve!

[55chevy]

So how many times you think he's been asked to stop the auction and accept an offer already? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/haha.gif

[skierkaj]

It's close enough! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif

I got me a bottle of Guiness waiting in the fridge . . .

What's with everyone on the site? Don't you people have jobs? Or do you just sit on your computers all day, or both? I've been on my computer for the past 10 min., and there's been an explosion of replies to this thread. I have an excuse, I'm in college, and have no life . . . I can sit on my computer 24/7. Well, I do have a life, but right now I'm between classes.

[YENKO DEUCE REGISTRY]

Well, we have all been in college too, but we didn't sit in front of a computer - there were 'other' things to chase http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif

This is a hot topic at the moment, so we'll see where it goes!

[Mr. T]

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there were 'other' things to chase http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif

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Oh yeah, I am with you on that one, those were the days!

[skierkaj]

Well, It's interesting to note that the UW Stout Auto Club has more lady members than guys!!!! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif There's more than one reason I'm in the club . . . we'll just leave it at that. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[YENKO DEUCE REGISTRY]

Ok, you are vindicated, back to this Nova! Who's in line?

[JoeC]

two things very interesting
#4 is very early in the run of 50
Car looks like it was painted red - the DH Fred G race car color of choice

[PATRICKJOINER]

auction is supposed to be ended early.....

[sYc]

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auction is supposed to be ended early.....

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Yep, that is what I am hearing... http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif

[Jeff H]

Did DH repaint some of these cars at his dealership when they came in?

[YENKO DEUCE REGISTRY]

I also heard the auction will be ended in order to obtain more info on the car.

[matt murphy]

Here is some cool info . . . the body build number on this Nova (car #4) is 96366 and the build number on Nova #3 is 96364.

It is also wierd that a plate of any kind was put under the cowl tag as it is very hard to get to it since the power brake booster is in the way. Nova #3 was a Dick Harrell converted 427 car and it didn't have the plate there, in fact it had a black sticker similar in size stuck above the trim tag.

Great to have another one in circulation again . . .

[Kim_Howie]

Jeff,Just one of the Nova's was painted and I think it was painted RED? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/flag.gif

[matt murphy]

((( And don't give me the 'ol line about working hard, and someday you'll have the money; It doesn't work that way . . . I've discussed this with my Sociology teacher numerous times. The rich are forever rich, and the poor keep getting poorer. That's the way our economic system is designed. That's not to say that I'm poor, but I definitely couldn't afford a car of that caliber.

Maybe if it was through someone's good graces . . . )))

Skierkaj,

First, you will never get anywhere in life waiting for someone's good graces . . . that someone is you, but you will figure that out later in life.

Secondly, an owner who bought one of our 427 ZL1 Camaros, told me that he is just a poor old cattle farmer who didn't have enough money 5 years ago to even buy the magazine that our Camaros have been written in, and today he bought a $92,000.00 ZL1 Supercar and has 10 other showcars. He told me that he found a way to make money from the rich . . . that is what life is all about if you want more money.

Third, I'll bet half of the collectors here did not have money when they grew up. I know a lot of them and they made their money, and did not inherit it. If you wait for something to happen, then it probably wont. If you want to win the lottery, you have to play it. If you want to be rich, you have to play at it. And the harder you play, the better you will be rewarded. Some find an easy way to make money, others dig a little harder. It is out there, but DO NOT have that attitude, or you will probably never get richer or have the cars you are dreaming of . . . and for your Sociology teacher, he or she sounds like one of those that is still waiting for the system to change so they can have more money given to them. That person may be content with being a college teacher, but I see that you have bigger ambitions in life. Dont let people like that bring you down. My parents preached to me the same thing about the harger you work the higher the rewards . . . it worked for me and it will for you . . . but it will not fall into your lap . . . Now take that Motion clone car and change it to a Dick Harrell clone car and make more money . . . http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif

[skierkaj]

I'm always open to everyone's opinion.

As for a Dick Harrell clone, Harrell and Gibb modified Camaros in 67 right? The reason I ask is that I'm looking at a first gen. as we speak. It's in Milwaukee, close to home, and I'm trying to work a deal with the owner (even trade), and I'll probably get a firebird in the process. Check out the thread in this section-- I found the first gen. camaro I wanted!

Maybe a Harrell Clone for that thing? It appears to be in pretty good shape, but there's no pics of the rear quarters, or the panel underneath the rear window. It's a deal either way. . . a 1967 Camaro and a 1968 Firebird for $6000! Hopefully the guy will trade for my Camaro . . . he says the reason he's selling is that he has no room. I don't know, we'll see how it goes.

[Jeff Murphy]

Spoken like a true entrepreneur, Matt!!!

Skierkaj, you should try to get the SCR 7. Most of the guys you'll talk to are self made men that are their own bosses. They've come up with ways to be successful (and not just money) in a whole variety of ways. The thing that is common to them all is that they take the kind of risks Matt describes. I find it very refreshing to hang out with all these entrepreneurs -- it's a great change from all the very conservative, over-educated corporate hacks like me, my colleagues and most of my clients.

Now if I could just afford my own Gibb Nova (Fathom Blue of course...)

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[WILMASBOYL78]

Well, I guess my mother really is the Queen of England. Just goes to show you that anything can happen. Good luck to the person who ends up with it.

Wilma http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/worship.gif

[sYc]

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Now if I could just afford my own Gibb Nova (Fathom Blue of course...) http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

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Interesting you should say that. I heard one just sold... http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif

[Jeff H]

Auction is over. So is he really going to relist it with better information or did someone make a deal behind the scenes again? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif Inquiring minds want to know! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[68TopStock]

WOW! One day and look what has transpired. Can't wait to find out more. Guess these little Chevy II's are gaining momentum. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif

[WILMASBOYL78]

GOT NOVA?? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif

[Charley Lillard]

Skierkaj...I would look for a different Sociology Teacher. Or maybe you are mis-interpreting what the Teacher said.

[Belair62]

You need to develop contacts,networking if you will....when the time comes it's all about who you know...you will probably get one good shot at something from someone who will help you out...make the best of it.

[matt murphy]

Belair,

Absolutely true . . . http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[skierkaj]

As for the contacts, I agree, and have had a couple people on the site help me out . . . like Mark (396L35) http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif. I almost had a deal for a really sweet ride that remains to be named.

As for Charley: Ummm, no. Just no.

Is it any coincidence that as of Feb. 2004, The worlds 10% richest people control 80% of the "stuff"? I think not. Likewise, the worlds 10% poorest people control -15% of the "stuff". How can you control -15% of the stuff? Debt.

I just saw the chart during class yesterday, and the worlds richest people have been gaining more and more possessions since forever. This will continue to happen until, like Marx said, there is a revolution; a redistribution of the wealth. And if you're not fimiliar with Marx, you should read up on him. Most people have the wrong perception of Marx; they think he's a "Marxist", when indeed, he is not.

Marx knew full well of the repercussions of a socialist society, but believed it to be more equal than a capitalist one; which makes sense to me. In a perfectly socialist society, everyone is equal-- the wealth is distributed. He knew that this system would never work, because people's perceptions and greed would take over.

He also believed that change in society is caused by social conflicts. If you want something changed, screw with the system until you get what you want. You have to create a revolution.

Don't ask me to explain it any further.

Just forget it. I don't wanna argue. Please don't reply to this anymore, it's just making me angry.

I'll step down off the podium now.

[matt murphy]

WEALTH REDISTRIBUTION

A young woman was about to finish her first year of college. Like so many others her age she considered herself to be a very liberal Democrat and was for distribution of all wealth. She felt deeply ashamed that her father was a rather staunch Republican which she expressed openly.

One day she was challenging her father on his beliefs and his opposition to higher taxes on the rich & more welfare programs. In the middle of her heartfelt discussion based upon the lectures she had from her far left professors at her school, he stopped her and asked her point blank, how she was doing in school.

She answered rather haughtily that she had a 4.0 GPA, and let him know that it was tough to maintain. That she had to study all the time; never had time to go out and party like other people she knew. She didn't even have time for a boyfriend and didn't really have many college friends because of spending all her time studying. That she was taking a more difficult curriculum.

Her father listened and then asked, "How is your friend Mary." She replied, "Mary is barely getting by", she continued, "all she has is barely a 2.0 GPA" adding, "and all she takes are easy classes and she never studies." But to explain further she continued emotionally, "But Mary is so very popular on campus, college for her is a blast, she goes to all the parties all the time and very often doesn't even show up for classes because she is too hung over."

Her father then asked his daughter, "Why don't you go to the Dean's office and ask him to deduct a 1.0 off your 4.0 GPA and give it to your friend who only had a 2.0." He continued, "That way you will both have a 3.0 GPA and certainly that would be a fair equal distribution of GPA."

The daughter visibly shocked by the father's suggestion angrily fired back, "That wouldn't be fair! I worked really hard for mine, I did without and Mary has done little or nothing, she played while I worked real hard!"

The father slowly smiled and said..."Welcome to the Republican Party..."

[camarojoe]

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You need to develop contacts,networking if you will....when the time comes it's all about who you know...you will probably get one good shot at something from someone who will help you out...make the best of it.

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BelAir, I agree 100%. More on this to come...soon http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

[Born30YrsLate]

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You need to develop contacts,networking if you will....when the time comes it's all about who you know...you will probably get one good shot at something from someone who will help you out...make the best of it.

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BelAir, I agree 100%. More on this to come...soon http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

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Yes OH YES....it has to do a lot with who you know and even more who knows you, sometimes it's not enough that you know a "somebody" but that the "somebody" knows you.....definitely more to come on this.... http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[68TopStock]

Matt,

That is a great analogy. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[COPO]

Matt, that is one of the best analogies I've read and easy for anyone to understand. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif

[Jeff H]

Numbers don't mean anything. Most people in this country are too lazy to work for a living. They'd rather collect uneployment than find a job paying $7/hr. I'm not one of the rich and famous, and my dad was a mechanic and my mom was a nurse so we weren't living high on the hog. But I went through college and found a job starting at a minimum salary and I'm still with that company 15 years later and I have saved and I'm slowly having a crossram, JL8 car restored. It will be a $100K car when done, but I would never have been able to buy a $100K car. You have to start low and work your way up. And don't listen to any professors, they don't live in the real working world. They're protected by the university that pays them big bucks to spew meaningless cr@p. You should be working part time while not in class, that's how you get ahead, not waiting for someone to hand you money for no reason.

[YENKO DEUCE REGISTRY]

This is all true, and interesting, but, back to the Nova!! Why is there a gap in the body numbers between #3 and #4? Is it significant?

[Jeff H]

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Here is some cool info . . . the body build number on this Nova (car #4) is 96366 and the build number on Nova #3 is 96364.

It is also wierd that a plate of any kind was put under the cowl tag as it is very hard to get to it since the power brake booster is in the way. Nova #3 was a Dick Harrell converted 427 car and it didn't have the plate there, in fact it had a black sticker similar in size stuck above the trim tag.

Great to have another one in circulation again . . .

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Matt, do you think they removed the power brakes since it was going to be a drag car? If so, then it might have been a lot easier to get the DH tag under the trim tag.

[skierkaj]

Woah!!! Hold up a second, people need handouts in order to get ahead in this world . . .

If you start out with nothing, and I mean NOTHING, how can you gain anything? That is the reason welfare is there. People can only stay on welfare so long. It is impossible to get a job when you have no presentable clothes, when you have no shelter, etc. . . .

And some people say, " Lets clean them up, get them some clothes, and teach them how to fill out a resume." This doesn't work. What good is the resume, when you have no money to get to work, feed yourself, etc?

As for my teacher, he grew up on a private island in the Caribbean . . ., why is he here in WI? Either it's the only place he could find a job, or maybe 'cause he actually CARES about what he's teaching. Who the hell would move away from the Caribbean?!

Regardless of what you think, over half of the professors here HATE the Dean, and I mean HATE! Like, they have daily arguments with him . . . just yesterday about parking tickets in the school parking lots.

Don't stereotype professors, some of them are NORMAL people.



Stop talking about this subject PLEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAASSSSEE!!!!!

Just this morning, I got an email telling me how this person was glad that I was standing up for the "little guys". A big thanks goes out to you http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif

PLEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAASSSSSSSSEEEE STOP TALKING ON THIS WHOLE SUBJECT,
Get back to the Nova, like most people want.

[Belair62]

OK bring this one to the Lounge...lets hear more about the Nova..

[Mike]

I agree!!! Does anybody have any history on it? Was it one of the Harrell race cars? and last but not least....who bought the car? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[MotownMadman]

I had a carrier pigeon fly over my house and drop a note down my chimmney that suggested Ed C. from COPO Connection may have a new project. Anyone know if that pigeon was flying straight?
Motown http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif

[Jeff H]

But I thought Ed C. just bought that 68 Yenko Camaro as a project a couple weeks back. Sounds like Ed might have a backlog of projects.

[Kim_Howie]

Matt, I think you will find the body # on # 3 is 96304 not # 96364 None of the cars are that consecutive. The car is not Fred's race car. Kim

[YENKO DEUCE REGISTRY]

That's what I thought Kim. Usually, the body numbers are sequential for COPO runs within color category, and do not follow the VIN sequence at all - not always, but usually.

[SuperNovaSS]

I moved away from Hawaii, and believe me it wasn't to teach. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif

[Kim_Howie]

Marlin some of the blue cars are sequenced. Which makes sense with the same color. Kim http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

[ktownkid]

.........hehehe........"My Classic Car" on "PBS".................hehehe.....
ktownkid

[Belair62]

K town...fill out your profile..I can't quite figure out what you are saying here...

[ktownkid]

Hi Belaire.....
Please disregard that comment. I was just reading this thread and though it read like a cross between a PBS show and a episode of My Classic Car. This is a great website and I like all the discussions about Supercars. Very informative. I will think before I type next time.
Thank you kindly-
ktownkid

[Belair62]

Thanks K...I get confused easy...especially with guys like Charley around ! Take a moment to fill out your profile for us.

[Kim_Howie]

Kid, that is kinda right. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/haha.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/haha.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/flag.gif

[matt murphy]

Jeff,

These Novas had Power Drum Brakes. No need to remove those for weight reduction. Also, the other two 427 DH Novas had stickers on them, not riveted small plates. The location of the holes reminds me of a friends '68 Camaro that was stolen and recovered and the DMV riveted a small VIN plate under his cowl tag,since the original VIN plate was taken off the car. No telling really what was there. But my guess, not as DH plate.

[matt murphy]

Kim,

Jude Hettick's old Nova (I was told it was # 3) is definately 96364. I sent you an email with the photo of that cars cowl tag . . . I can't post them here due to the large size, you will have to zoom into that photo to see it.

[KLONECO]

IS IT??..I hope the car might be saved! 1 more for the club I guess http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif another car rescued! :worship


HYPE IS THE KEYWORD! bet you can get used to it http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/headbang.gif

[Kim_Howie]

Matt, your right on Jude's old car it''s 96364 I got the # years ago from Gary Dyer when he owned the car. I must have read it wrong or he tolded me wrong? sorry Kim

[PATRICKJOINER]

the fathom blue car is listed www.trmclassic.com (http://www.trmclassics.com) site 'for sale' under 'deals on wheels'.... 'call for pricing'.... wonder how much that is?

[Chevy454]

My wife had a doctor's appointment today in Mtn. Home and I was gonna stop by TRM...but, dad left town last night and just like clock work we got busy here at work. My little bro goes right by there on his way to school, but I plan to try and get down there in a couple weeks...

[Now, back on topic http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif]

[Mr70]

What Car is your Dad buying now?
Cmon,you can tell us...... http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif

[Chevy454]

LOL! Unfortunately, it's not a meeting about "buying". Try adding an "r" in there...

[Mr70]

OK....I dig..... http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[DarrenX33]

Oh brother. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/haha.gif

[COPO PETE]

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OK....I dig..... http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

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Peter

[68TopStock]

I have now confirmed that this car is indeed one of the 50 COPO Chevy II's from the Fred Gibb dealership. I know this may just be duplicate information, but it is from the original source. I have no information that it was prepared by Dick Harrell, but as is known, that may be able to be determined in the future.

[MotownMadman]

Rob,
I'm kinda slow so it took me a minute to figure out what the heck you were talking about.....somebody should smack me upside the head with a shovel now and then.....I just figured out we are talking about burying a car!
Motown http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/haha.gif

[Born30YrsLate]

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Rob,
I'm kinda slow so it took me a minute to figure out what the heck you were talking about.....somebody should smack me upside the head with a shovel now and then.....I just figured out we are talking about burying a car!
Motown http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/haha.gif

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WHAT...it's not "bruying"...I just thought that's how they talk in Missouri???.... http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[Belair62]

It's Missoura

[MotownMadman]

Well, the word I got is that this Nova WAS the Gibb race car prepared by Harrell with a 427, and that Ed did buy it.
Motown

[Belair62]

Sweet find !!! But how in the world can it already be the racecar prepared by Harrell ? Is there anything to document that ? Is this information available about the Harrell cars ?

[Kim_Howie]

Motown, I'm sure this car is not the race car. Kim http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[matt murphy]

Motown . . . the word from Helen is that the #4 Nova went to someone in OK.

[matt murphy]

The Harrell prepped Race car . . . are you talking about the candy apple red car or the pink 1968, or what car ??

[MotownMadman]

Kim, Matt, I dont know for Gospel, just going by info from a very solid reliable source that was part of this whole thing back then, as for it going to OK, if the lady says thats where it went then I would take that as Gospel, but we all know how things move around as years pass. Also might want to check out the other Wanna Be Board, some fellas over there are also rather certain of the history, I happen to know for sure Dan is a very knowledgeable guy, and despite a lack of personality another dedicated gear head over there has, he does have a vast amount of knowledge and connections, that combined with what you might call an inside source all seem to be on the same page. Does that make it fact? Heck no, but there has to be some substance to that opinion for so many people who use wrenches for silverware to feel that strongly about it. But, that is the beauty of this board, before this discussion is over I am sure we will all know the correct answer. As for the personal feelings of the other crew towards the buyer, on that I have to disagree totally, he was researching this stuff long before anyone thought about it or even cared. There has to be a benefit to all those years of work, the benefit being you know what the heck you are looking at before you buy. After spending twenty years doing research is he just supposed to give all that info away that he spent years putting together? I think not, that reminds me of the rich neighbor kid who came to my sandbox and thought he was going to take my new Tonka after I mowed lawns to get it, his reason was he didnt have it so it should automatically be his. And here's to the buyer if he makes money in the process, I didnt know the hobby had a group that was a non profit organization. I guess to understand the analogys here the misguided opinions of others have to be read, but hey, as we all have a right to buy, sell, or do whatever with our cars and money, others have a right to their opinions also, as I do. Congrats Ed, you sneaky dog you, I wonder how many other hounds were nipping at your heels to grab the same chunk of meat. Cant blame em for snarling and growling a bit for missing out on that choice cut...,................................... http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[KNAPPY]

It's funny , When I first saw this car on e-bay I thought I would get some input about this car so I posted it on this forum. I thought I would have a chance to bid on it and maybe get a chance on buying a rare car. The truth is that there is a small group of very knowledgable people who will always get these cars. With knowledge is power. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/worship.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/worship.gif

[Kurt S]

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I didnt know the hobby had a group that was a non profit organization.

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I take exception to that. The CRG (http://www.camaros.org) is a non-profit. A lot of work and time goes into the info on our site, all to the benefit of the hobby.

[Jeff H]

Motown, I think you're reading the people on the other site wrong. Ed has charged everyone for all the information they ever asked him for and Dan gave Ed the owner to the original engine for his ZL1 and didn't try to charge him anything as a finders fee. Dan is one of the real supercar hobby heros. To Ed it's just a business as it has always been. Just ask how many people here have had a car bought out from under them because they tried to ask an "expert" for more information. I'm not in the market for a supercar, but I've been watching this happen time and time again and it really bothers me. If you're really in it for the hobby, help other people and don't put the screws to them!

[MotownMadman]

Jeff, that very well may be as I have never even met Ed, I have talked with Dan and I do find him to be about the hobby first and the money second. I dont know enough about all of Ed's practices to make a personal defense on this issue, but I will defend the fact that a person should not be classified as Greedy because he took a lot of time to do his homework. As for what he charges and who he charges, that was not the issue or the point of the other conversation, the point was that Ed was being criticized for being the first to buy the car because he was the best informed to do so based on the wealth of information he has compiled over the years through his research. While I am sure some in the hobby had voluntairily produced documents for him that aided in his ability to make a quick decision, it is also true that those complaining because they didnt get the car due to the fact they didnt have access to the same info were not working side by side with Ed over the years putting together his files of information. Ed has made his years of work into a business, not just a hobby, and no one is being forced to use his services. Based on that line of thinking that it may be wrong to charge for his consultation, I guess that would also make it wrong for Joel Rosen to charge for his services also. I am quite sure Ed didnt compile his data overnight, it took time and dedication, so let those complaining spend the same amount of time compiling the same data themselves. It would seem to me that if he had enough foresight to compile this data over a long period of time that it certainly is his to do with as he chooses. All the years of work and research he put into gaining that info has givin him the ability to document the COPO cars, be it through old documentation or through general knowledge of what he has learned over the years. Nothing in life is free, if the late comers to the information game want to give away what they learned well my hats off to them as that is a noble thing to do, as well as their choice to do so, just as it is Ed's choice to get compensated for the time and effort he put in, which could have been spent in other ways, such as spending it with his family. The complainers here who didnt have the necessary information to make a snap decision on the car are just ruffled that they didnt get it first. Welcome to the hardships of any competitive business or hobby. He is known as one of the best informed in the business, so making a comparison if you take the top flight stock brokers and consultants, I am quite sure you wont find them providing their services or info based on years of dedicated education for free. For anyone who didnt get the car first from a lack of information, get over it and go do some hard research so maybe next time they will be better informed to make a quick judgment call. No matter who got the car, there no doubt would have been somone unhappy that they didnt get it and blaming it on someone else. Spend less time finger pointing and complaining and more time doing research and being on the hunt. IMO.
Motown http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/scholar.gif

[WILMASBOYL78]

I have a little trouble understanding some of these terms. Just exactly what does the "Wanna Be Board" refer to??

Tom Williams http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif

[sYc]

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I take exception to that. The CRG (http://www.camaros.org) is a non-profit. A lot of work and time goes into the info on our site, all to the benefit of the hobby.

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The sYc is set up as a "not for profit" corporation as well.

[Jeff Murphy]

We're the ones that profit from both the CRG and the sYc!!!!

Keep up the good works guys. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[sYc]

The facts do not back up the theory that this car is the Gibb race car.

1. The Gibb race car did not begin life turquoise in color.
2. The Gibb race was not #4, nor do the VINs match
3. The Gibb Novas were COPOs, with 50 ordered, this being the minimum number required to compete in the Super Stock class. Thus, running SS, which I believe the Gibb race car did, would have been running a 396.

[restorer]

Tom, the "Wannabe site" would be "not available". Wes