1969 ZL1 CAMARO VIN LIST

[sYc]

<table border="0" width="623" cellspacing="1" align="center"><tr><td width="100%" align="center"><font size="5" color="#808080">1969 ZL1 CAMARO INVENTORY</font></td></tr><tr><td width="100%" align="center"><p align="left"><font color="#808080" size="2">DISCLAIMER: The sYc is posting this info to the public to aid and assist in locating and verifying the listed Supercars. We make no warranties as to the correctness and cannot guarantee that these lists are complete. The info compiled here has come from some of the top experts in the hobby but should in no way be construed as Gospel. There are bound to be errors in a project this big but they will be corrected when they are discovered. Just because you find a car with a VIN that is on the list does not protect you from the chance that there has been a rebody or tags made up. These lists should aid you but should not be the sole reason you believe the vehicle to be a Supercar. Any reproduction of this information without written consent is prohibited. © Yenko Sportscar Club, 2004</font></td></tr><tr><td width="100%" align="center" height="1229"> http://www.yenko.net/attachments/background6.GIF </td></tr><tr><td width="100%" align="center"><p align="left"><font size="2" color="#808080">* ZL-1 exterior colors courtesy of COPO Connection</font></p></td></tr></table>

[vancopo]

I've own car 124379n618522 for years which shows#45 zl1 . the car was in bad shape with sheet metal over dash and VW steering column. I've tryed reaching out to Dave hallman Chevy few times without any luck on any history .

[luzl78]

Any original running gear?

[William]

Old ad.

[1969L89]

I've own car 124379n618522 for years which shows#45 zl1 . the car was in bad shape with sheet metal over dash and VW steering column. I've tryed reaching out to Dave hallman Chevy few times without any luck on any history .

Do you still have it? What kind of shape is the car in now? Any pics?

[GMC_Typhoon]

I've own car 124379n618522 for years which shows#45 zl1 . the car was in bad shape with sheet metal over dash and VW steering column. I've tryed reaching out to Dave hallman Chevy few times without any luck on any history .
Wow an unknown ZL-1. That's wild.

[William]

That makes 50 known to exist, in a variety of forms.

[vancopo]

No running gear was barely a body left

[Mike]

Vancopo, I sent you a Private Message.

[mrays]

Ed Cuneen had this car listed as a known car on his old COPO Connection website.

[Charley Lillard]

Vancopo....Do you still have it ? Any pics ?

[Charley Lillard]

# 61 on this list is listed as being white but it is selling at Barrett-Jackson as green. ??

[Lynn]

61 was sold out of Oklahoma, and if my memory serves me right (big IF) it was originally white.

I am almost certain I have seen a picture of it on the showroom floor.

But.... CRG is showing Fathom Green.

[William]

#61 was originally Fathom Green.

[Charley Lillard]

I wonder where the white came from.

[William]

It is listed as being white in the May 1994 edition of the COPO Connection registry.

During restoration in 2007 it became obvious it was originally green, subsequently verified by its original owner.

[Charley Lillard]

Does it have it's orig. trim tag ?

[William]

It was a modified drag car nearly since new, original tag gone.

[Lynn]

So it was painted white at some point?

Tell me I am not dreaming.

[William]

No, it won't. They have had all the ZL-1 auction data needed for a decision for over six months. They just don't like it.

I have unfortunately become involved. I provided auction results for dozens of ZL-1s dating back over 15 years. In that time ONE ZL-1 Camaro auctioned over $1m and that was #59 AFTER it re-acquired its original engine. It hammered for $995,000; the buyers commission pushed it over the top. It could be said it did not sell for $1m.

The investigator ignores figures that don't agree with his narrative. The very same car sold at B-J 2018 for $770,000 when it did not have its original engine.
Another comparable sale was nom ZL-1 #60 at Mecum Kissimmee 2021; hammered for $750,000. That's a great recent example that has once again been ignored.

No genius-level investigation needed; all easily available public knowledge.

#61 will be just another data point added to the dozens they already have. If hits the number, they will use it. If it does not, they will ignore it.

[RPOLS3]

Link to listing on B-J site:

https://www.barrett-jackson.com/Events/Event/Details/1969-CHEVROLET-CAMARO-ZL1-261819

[Lynn]

Looks like BJ is adding this notice at the bottom of EVERY auction item, even later model cars.

**VIN NOTICE: DEPENDING ON THE STATE OF REGISTRATION OF THE BUYER, THE VEHICLE MAY REQUIRE AN INSPECTION AND BE SUBJECT TO A STATE-ISSUED VIN AND/OR OTHER REQUIREMENTS OF THAT STATE.**

[Charley Lillard]

Sounds like it was a old drag car painted white. Would love to see the report on it.

[Charley Lillard]

Here is the JM report on ZL1 # 61. Being a old drag car with the firewall cut one would think there would be mention of the trim tag and hidden vins. I deleted the top of the main page for privacy.

[Charley Lillard]

Here is the supposed original block that has since been found and installed.

[William]

The consignor should change their description.

"Numbers matching" is confusing and often interpreted as not the original engine.

[bergy]

Maybe the consignor isn't positive that the engine that was found is the original engine? Can't pin down the chain of ownership of the engine? In any case, William is obviously correct - the facts behind the car/engine reunion should be added to the description.

[William]

Maybe the consignor isn't positive that the engine that was found is the original engine?

Well, that could depend on who found it.

[Steve Shauger]

The car has been certified, and the trim tag info is documented. Usually it is stated; this is the original trim tag, and I don't see that in the report. Since the car had firewall issues, the question about hidden VIN's is critical.

[JoeC]

I keep a file on the ZL-1 race cars. This is an old screen shot I saved on #61 where they said it was an old sand drag car

[Keith Seymore]

I keep a file on the ZL-1 race cars. This is an old screen shot I saved on #61 where they said it was an old sand drag car

My goodness, how the mighty have/had fallen.

At least they didn't cut it up and make a pullin' tractor out of it.

K

[olredalert]

----You just can't make that up!.....Bill S

[JoeC]

some ZL-1s got it worse then that. At least one was said to be " berried alive " in an insurance fraud deal.

A few others were reported stolen.

[Lynn]

And then there is the guy in Canada that got "air titles" for 5 of the missing ZL1s, excuse me ZedL1s.

[Charley Lillard]

Updated auction description on # 61.

[lycan]

Updated auction description on # 61.
Hammered at $700K

[61 vert]

Could be a law suit in the works. Craig Jackson stated it was the original motor but I had not heard that it truly had been found." Jerry Macneish certified "does not mean the motor was certified to be original to the car unless he specifically states that. Without seeing the macneish report it is irresponsible to assume anything other than that this cars cowl has VIN numbers that are on the Cunneen ZL1 list. This VIN is on the list as a Dover White non spoiler car, but evidently there is a problem as it is Fathom Green. Wait, Barrett Jackson says repo trim tag, so what color was this ZL1 when new? Maybe donor sheet metal was of a fathom green car so assumptions were made? Is there any 1st or second owner information available? and what about the spoilers, D80 or not? I would appreciate any accurate input if anyone wants to share as I am only speculating.

[Charley Lillard]

I think William stated when it was torn down for resto it was found to be green. I looked thru the cowl and there was no hidden vin. Since it didn't have a trim tag due to the firewall being cut out for racing I wonder how Jerry came up with the body # and trim tag details since there was no tag. I was told that someone with multiple images of other ZL1 engine stamps that the one on this one is different so I assume someone found a correct block and stamped it. My opinion is a ZL1 Camaro is a different breed of Chevy because they are documented by their vin's. I don't add as much value as some others if it has it's orig. engine or not. I would rather have a good color 4 speed with the wrong engine than a column shift auto with it's orig. engine. It apparently does have it's orig. vin tag with orig. rivets so I think it is still a car worth restoring even with all the undisclosed issues.

[Stefano]

Congrats to both the buyer and the seller.

The individuals who tracked and found ZL1 number #61 are here on this site, but do not post often. So if they choose to add or correct any of the info provide , I would defer to their info, as that is where I got it from.

I did not see the physical car itself, in person. I was contacted when the car was “found” many years ago. It had owner and racing history and only the public riveted vin. No trim tag and no secondary VINs. The complete firewall had been cut out.

As far as establishing a body number, it would be relatively easy to guess based on the tags of other ZL1s as well as the existing CRG data base, if someone had access to that info.

The original engine was not with the car when found it was purportedly added / reunited during the restoration.

[William]

The highest verified ZL-1 body number is on #60; #326262. They just used the next higher number. VIN tag looked fine to me.

It was definitely Fathom green, lots of original paint found during the resto. Was not built with D80. Lid flunked the close test, both rods were the same size.

As for the engine, all lots are sold as described by their consignor. The block has a matching VIN. The car got a lot of attention and attracted strong bidding. The resto is over 15 years old and looked great.

Have had a few questions about ZL-1 #68, owned by Craig Jackson since the '80s. Saw him in the main exhibit hall Friday morning and asked him about it. Couldn't have been nicer. Pulled out his phone, showed me pics of the restoration and the docs. He mentioned the controversy over its original straight-neck radiator. Told him it is unusual but there are a very few other COPOs with one, including a car within a day or so of his.

[Charley Lillard]

William does the vin stamp on the block match other orig. ones you have seen ?

[61 vert]

Thanks for clearing up a few things but still a few unknowns on #61.

[TarheelRyan]

I was bidder #2 on this car and took it up to $675k. I spent over a month digging into its history and was comfortable enough to pay up to $750k for it. With the 10% buyer's premium, the $700k bid knocked me out. A couple members on this site went out of their way to help me and and I cannot say enough how thankful I am for their assistance. The car has its faults as it was rode hard and put up wet back in the day, but it is still 1 of the 69 ZL1 Camaros. Congratulations to the new buyer as it is a beautiful car and was the star at Barrett Jackson! If the buyer happens to be on this site, please send me a private message as I have some documentation on the car I found that I would like to share with you. If there are any ZL1 owners out there looking to part ways with their car, let me know as my ZL1 search continues...

[iluv69s]

This car is Not one of the first 50, só How is it possible to know the body Number? Since They have little correlation to the VIN.

BtW, Without checking fonts or spacing of individual numbers, The Block VIN stamp posted looks very similar to my old #34 ZL-1 original Block VIN stamp. I have in my database photos of original blocks stamped with the VIN on the deck,( no gang stamp) but mine and others are by the oil filter , similar to this one.

[William]

That is actually the dealer order confirmation number. It is not possible to determine the number based on a cars' build configuration. When the reproduction body tag was ordered they simply used the next highest number. I recall being asked about it when the car went into restoration; I may have advised they do that.

Odd ZL-1 fact: the lowest body number is Berger ZL-1 #3 #211785. A Berger L72 COPO is #211786.

Had two lengthy phone conversations with Jerry Huffman a few years ago. They were a high-performance dealership in Farmington, IL. For years we have thought it was a wonderful coincidence that Chevy built 69 1969 ZL-1 Camaros but it was not. Jerry told me Central Office contacted their dealership to see if they were interested in ordering a ZL-1 Camaro. They had decided to end the program at 69 units and needed to build 17 additional cars, possibly to consume engine production. So, they [foolishly] ordered two cars [#66 & #67] without knowing the option MSRP. The cars were a headache for the dealership; that's a story for another day.

Last ZL-1 was built June 3, 1969.

[William]

This car is Not one of the first 50, só How is it possible to know the body Number? Since They have little correlation to the VIN.

BtW, Without checking fonts or spacing of individual numbers, The Block VIN stamp posted looks very similar to my old #34 ZL-1 original Block VIN stamp. I have in my database photos of original blocks stamped with the VIN on the deck,( no gang stamp) but mine and others are by the oil filter , similar to this one.

That's interesting. #34 [N610899] was final-assembled March 7, 1969. It's fairly common knowledge the VIN stamp dies and possibly the holder were changed in production at Norwood April '69. The con VIN on the block for #34 would be clearly different than the block stamping on a car built May 14, 1969.

[JoeC]

In an 2011 article, Craig Jackson talked about buying his ZL-1 #68 in 1988

This article said the ZL-1 is a $1M car

$1M in 2011 is about $1.3M in 2023

changed it

[Stefano]

2030......I have lost a lot of time.

[Stefano]

This car is Not one of the first 50, só How is it possible to know the body Number? Since They have little correlation to the VIN.

BtW, Without checking fonts or spacing of individual numbers, The Block VIN stamp posted looks very similar to my old #34 ZL-1 original Block VIN stamp. I have in my database photos of original blocks stamped with the VIN on the deck,( no gang stamp) but mine and others are by the oil filter , similar to this one.

Your old ZL1 #34 is here in a collection in Chicago Land. Let me know if your ever in our neighbor hood and want to reunite. No it is not for sale.

[iluv69s]

Thanks for the offer.. I sure will let you know whenever I am in the área só I can take her for a spin !!

[iluv69s]

That's interesting. #34 [N610899] was final-assembled March 7, 1969. It's fairly common knowledge the VIN stamp dies and possibly the holder were changed in production at Norwood April '69. The con VIN on the block for #34 would be clearly different than the block stamping on a car built May 14, 1969.


No clue of originality on the car in this thread, and no clue of date of VIN change of ZL-1s.

But, one thing I know for certain. The 100% ORIGINAL VIN on my block #34 is by the oil filter.

[1969ZL1]

Does it have it's orig. trim tag ?
According to the info contained in image 123 on page 1 of this thread it states:
Trim Plate data: Build Date: 05A, Paint Code: 57-57 [Fathom Green], Option Codes: X44, NOR # 292794, Trim Code: 711.
However that doesn't mean it has it's orig. trim tag.
In the info of image 123 it states:
Documentation: ZL1 #61, original ordering and selling dealership: Seltzer Chevrolet Yucon OK. Well that means there must be some documentation with that information existing somewhere - otherwise such 'documentation' is not documentation at all...is it. Real documentation is physical documentation not made up info. For me documentation is paper verification, however for others it could mean photographs...Each to their own interpretation to what documentation is I guess. I really like member 'William's quote: 'Learning more and more about less and less. And I have always rated you Charley Lillard - if anyone here on The Supercar Registry is genuine, authentic, honest, trustworthy, and an encyclopedia on COPO Camaros it is you.

[tjs44]

I think #64 was bought new by Bill Turner in Ft Myers FLA,when I saw it had a repaint in Silver,engine had been pulled and stored and the car raced with a dif engine.Dont remember when he sold it.Bill is alive and well in FLA.FWIW,Tom

[JoeC]

ZL-1 # 64 was the "Aluminum Rat " Ft Myers FL

[William]

ZL-1 #4 NHRA NE Division, 1970.

[JoeC]

ZL-1 #4 Hauser Camaro

[tjs44]

That’s it,Bill Turner.Tom

[ELVIS]

Hi all. I would just like to say that I have what is left of a heavily crashed ZL1 that has sat hidden away in a loft, covered with dust and bird crap for many decades. All the good bits were long ago pirated, hence I have zero intention of trying to recreate a 'silk purse out of a sow's ear'. The important part, the body number tag is still riveted on (albeit with a bit of a twist in that area, and it may take some careful work to get it straight again). I intend to restomod the remains, and it will never be put up for sale as some super desirable collector item ZL1. It is a sh-tbox that will be rebuilt with as many new panels as I can throw at it, and also some upgrades to the brakes and suspension. Engine wise, big block aftermarket aluminum blocks can be found, but it will never have a ZL1 number on it. I am still going to use an OEM front clip and not go to some full chassis type restomod. What will it be worth in the end? I do not care, it is a keeper and will be used by me as a regular driver, not locked away in a display cabinet.

[R68GTO]

Helluva 1st post. Welcome to the site. Your inbox will get lit up in a hurry. Regardless of your intent for restoration, please support the hobby by sharing pics and info so the car can be properly documented. Awesome find, I look forward to more info!
Jim

[bergy]

Sounds unbelievable

[Big Block Bill]

At this point, with out pictures, it Probably is.

[big gear head]

Hi all. I would just like to say that I have what is left of a heavily crashed ZL1 that has sat hidden away in a loft, covered with dust and bird crap for many decades. All the good bits were long ago pirated, hence I have zero intention of trying to recreate a 'silk purse out of a sow's ear'. The important part, the body number tag is still riveted on (albeit with a bit of a twist in that area, and it may take some careful work to get it straight again). I intend to restomod the remains, and it will never be put up for sale as some super desirable collector item ZL1. It is a sh-tbox that will be rebuilt with as many new panels as I can throw at it, and also some upgrades to the brakes and suspension. Engine wise, big block aftermarket aluminum blocks can be found, but it will never have a ZL1 number on it. I am still going to use an OEM front clip and not go to some full chassis type restomod. What will it be worth in the end? I do not care, it is a keeper and will be used by me as a regular driver, not locked away in a display cabinet.

If you will post pictures of the VIN tag, firewall area around the wiring bulkhead and hidden VIN on the firewall and cowl it will help verify that the car is a ZL1, and it will help the community to document the car and prevent scammers from claiming that they have it.

[GMC_Typhoon]

Motown Madman part 2.

[Mr70]

LOL Typhoon...Oh no you didn't.

[GMC_Typhoon]

LOL Typhoon...Oh no you didn't.
Same guy goes to all the rare websites username Elvis something,big hat no cattle.

[Kurt S]

What car #?

[CamarosRus]

#27 As bought from Dick Tutino

[useless tony]

I think this story might actually be legit. If his Camaro is the one parked above my friends 1972 427 SOHC Cuda convert with factory bench and three on the tree, purchased new in 1967 by my neighbors father ... well then, it must be true ;)

[iluv69s]

Is this the same guy that pulled the hemi out of the river with his Zl-1 powered tow truck?

Can anyone find that old thread? I need a good laugh

[Danzo]

#9 coming to auction 124379N608879

https://www.barrett-jackson.com/Events/Event/Details/1969-CHEVROLET-CAMARO-ZL1-271809

[RPOLS3]

#9 coming to auction 124379N608879

https://www.barrett-jackson.com/Events/Event/Details/1969-CHEVROLET-CAMARO-ZL1-271809

"A GM factory-assembled body shell was used to correct the extensive body modifications performed during this car's long-term drag-race history."

[Danzo]

Check out Craig Jackson's "description" of #9 LOL. Starts at 1:50 of the video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hieHsQaNbsg
Doc

[lycan]

Check out Craig Jackson's "description" of #9 LOL. Starts at 1:50 of the video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hieHsQaNbsg
Doc
"... packing the original COPO ZL1 all aluminum 427 engine"


not "an original COPO ZL1 all-aluminum 427 engine"
not "a period-correct COPO ZL1 all-aluminum 427 engine"


but "THE original COPO ZL1 all-aluminum engine"


??

[iluv69s]

Hi all. I would just like to say that I have what is left of a heavily crashed ZL1 that has sat hidden away in a loft, covered with dust and bird crap for many decades. All the good bits were long ago pirated, hence I have zero intention of trying to recreate a 'silk purse out of a sow's ear'. The important part, the body number tag is still riveted on (albeit with a bit of a twist in that area, and it may take some careful work to get it straight again). I intend to restomod the remains, and it will never be put up for sale as some super desirable collector item ZL1. It is a sh-tbox that will be rebuilt with as many new panels as I can throw at it, and also some upgrades to the brakes and suspension. Engine wise, big block aftermarket aluminum blocks can be found, but it will never have a ZL1 number on it. I am still going to use an OEM front clip and not go to some full chassis type restomod. What will it be worth in the end? I do not care, it is a keeper and will be used by me as a regular driver, not locked away in a display cabinet.

You guys may have thought I was kidding when I asked if this is the same guy that posted about the ZL-1 found in a tow truck ( it was a dually) and the hemi pulled out of the river …. Well I found the thread . If you want a laugh, check this classic out .

https://www.yenko.net/forum/showthread.php?t=95224