RS Yenko???

[Canucklehead]

Now heres a dude pawning off a rs camaro as a yenko just becouse it has a yenko motor!!, and check out the price!!!

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=6161&item=24787254 66&rd=1

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[Pantera]

Did anybody notice his name? lambogas ??

Could that be i-am-bogas??? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbsdown.gif

[Canucklehead]

Could be, but he got 56 bids, Where do these people come from. If he has such a rare car you think he would have done his homework and found out just how many "Yenkos" were out there and that they did come with the motors in them, and how much they are going for.........DORK!

[427TJ]

What the heck is a "Tic-Tac-Toe" gauge package? Does he mean "Tick-Tock-Tach"?

Nice looking car.

[jaze70ss]

I was kind of curious how his vin doesnt show up on this site's vin list?
jay

[Canucklehead]

Well the way the market is going he proablly figured he'd catch someone sleeping and trick someone into buying a undocumented yenko, then pull a Shultz when the guy finds out it's bogus. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/scholar.gif

[SuperNovaSS]

Looks to me that this guy bought a restored big block car and just tossed this engine in. No pictures of building the car but lots of installing the engine.


Jason

[Racefan]

Here is the email I got back from him asking him whether he was trying to mislead someone or just misinformed. What do you make of this? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif
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Yenko had several different blocks done , one was a marine application, after 2 years of research i found that this is a Can-Am block, 496 cu. in. with siamese cylinders, no where in that description do i imply this was a Yenko car or that this engine came in this car, in fact in bold letters it states otherwise. By the way these blocks were cast by Winters.

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[Canucklehead]

For a guy who spent 2 years researching he sure dosent know much

[NovaStud]

I think the guy is a tool! How could someone be that stupid to bid that high? I think that he is leading people in the wrong direction. By the way, this may be a stupid question but Yenko never mad a ZL1. Am I correct?

[GMH454]

Interesting car, but don't think he was ever misleading. I'm guessing anyone who has the sort of dollars he is chasing, would read the ad as it was written.

Can't fathom his reserve but that engine is not cheap. As original ZL-1s have started to pull silly prices the Yenko blocks have followed. That plus what he has put in it makes it a expensive motor.

Still can't see how a Yenko engine, plus 4sp BB 69 Camaro makes $100k +++. But then again i can't see how GTOs and Z-28s have leapt out from the rarer muscle cars the way they have.

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[ZL1mike]

A real good test for the market?
Yellow cars huh B-J Z 28 $110. K http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif

I like the look of this cool yellow car.
Mike

[Racefan]

Here is a legitimate test of the market ZL-1 Clone (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=2477415282&catego ry=6161)
The car listed was described clearly and accurately so all knew without a doubt it was a CLONE. The car is a very nice car, what kind of values do you guys place on it? What is one of the Yenko marine engines worth?

[Racefan]

Final words emailed to me from the seller, thought you'd all like to know. Watch for this car in the future.....
[ QUOTE ]
I am not questioning the value of any clone or what any car has ever brought on Ebay , i didnt expect to really sell this car in this venue.A lot of people seem to think a car is only worth what it will bring on Ebay , thats
about as far from the real world in about 90% of the cases.The last muscle car i ran was a Stage 1 convertible as documented as any car on the planet, it stopped at 29500. I sold it later for twice that. I put the camaro on
just to get some exposure , if it sold so be it . I never expected to get so many people who claim to know so much and actually know so little and have nothing better to do than meddle in someone elses business. When i said i spent a lot of time researching this it was on the motor itself , not the car. It is not a marine block like everyone on the registry is saying. I found the documentation to that effect about a year ago. There were big differences between the two. One person did retract his bids because of what
he read in the registry not that he thought it was a origional Yenko car, he called me over 5 or 6 days ago and went over the car in complete detail. Its to bad you guys didnt go to Barret Jackson and appraise every car or
give advice before the cars all ran. You said earlier you were not the authorities am i am not either but what these people have done is totally wrong. Its not a big deal to me weather that person had bought the car or not because i had planed to take it to an auction that shall remain nameless
or care if it ever sells . But having a bunch of people hanging there head over fence stirring sh** up because they have nothing better to do is is bull sh**!

[/ QUOTE ]

So, as it goes in the famous Budweiser commercials.....
Here's to you mister, make a pretend car and try to pass it off as something important, so you can rip people off man". http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[Charley Lillard]

I read his auction description and I didn't find anything misleading. In fact he seem pretty clear that it was not a Yenko or ZL1, just that it had a Yenko block ZL1 engine. I doubt if this site had anything to do with the no sale but I'm not sure why some are giving him a hard time. We can disagree on what we think it's value is but I'm having a hard time seeing what he did wrong. I do like the tic tac toe option. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/Charley.gif

[maverick]

I have lurked about this bulletin board for quite some time now and have learned quite allot about my cars from it, but this is my first post, and I thought I should respond. I am one of the bidders on this car. It was VERY clear to me that it is not a real Yenko, NOR was it represented as a real Yenko. I read the ad carefully and other than some typos, it was straight forward. Because of all the negative posts, I contacted someone much smarter than me to check it out. I then went to see the car in person. It turns out that I have bought from this person before and he is a very stand up guy. In Dallas, he is a very respected high end NEW car dealer. I purchased a 427 Side Oiler 1967 Mustang Super Snake from him that was as nice as this Camaro. It was not a real Super Snake car just as this is not a real Yenko car. It was a GT390 car with a real 427 Side Oiler engine. Now, I have seen the RS/SS Camaro, and have seen others like it, and this is by far the nicest I have seen. I personally don't care if its a Marine, Can Am or Yenko Volkswagon engine, I have seen the paperwork and and know exactly what it is, and if I pay big bucks for the car it won't be because some cackling hens that are pissed off because its nicer than theirs, talked me out of it. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbsdown.gif

[Charley Lillard]

Maverick. Welcome and please fill out your Profile. The opinion from someone that has seen the car and knows the seller is very welcome.

[Astock]

What makes this car a Original 4sp BB car.I clicked on the link for the pictures and I find the two at the bottom of interest. The bottom right picture shows the car didn't come with a Muncie.And the bottom left picture shows red paint under the yellow just above and to the right of the windshield wiper fluid.This is the nicest of it's kind you have ever seen, Mav?
Pull the 20-25K motor and your telling me this car is worth 100 g's.

[maverick]

I am not sure you can tell if it came with a Muncie or not, but the linkage on the firewall seems to be correct. I have seen the red that you are speaking of and will look into it tomorrrow. I know the car was originally a Cortez Silver car, so anything is possible. I am planning to make the trip to Dallas and promise to all of the "Camaro experts" that if there is a spot of red paint from a previous core support bracket or if the fender truly was red at one point, and was overlooked, it won't matter. I want the car and can pay for it. Call me what you want, but I am not in the habit of losing money.I guess my disgust is centered on why people have taken it upon themselves to chastise a car because of a price of a car. It is what it is represented to be. Thats all. Has anyone seen the "Eleanor" Mustangs that are being sold for 125K? I haven't seen a nice one yet. Most of them are not even real Shelbys.

[Astock]

I wouldn't be surprised if you know a lot more than I regarding cars and values.I for one hope you work things out with the owner of the car.

[69RSZ]

as the saying goes:for every seat there is the perfect uh well you know what I mean http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif if someone likes the car and he has the money to spend well i hope he enjoys the car,if it were me for that kind of money i would rather have a nice # matching COPO car!!! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[jg95z28]

Yeah but the new "Eleanor" cars have all been signed and authorized by Carroll Shelby himself... now if the seller could produce some similar documentation from Don Yenko... http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif Besides, Shelby Mustangs (even clones) have always commanded more money than Camaros.

Let's face it, the reason everyone is questioning this car is because a super clean big block Camaro (minus matching motor) is worth what... $30-35K? Tops? So if the Yenko Can-Am motor is worth say $20-25K, how the heck does that add up $125K plus?

I would much rather have the Yellow "ZL-1" Camaro Charley sold last year. At least it was unique. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif

[Stuart Adams]

I would also rather have the ZL1 clone Charley sold last year.

[Charley Lillard]

A car is worth what somene is willing to pay so can we please stop telling a potential buyer he is paying too much ? These are crazy times. Remember the yellow Z28 with added brakes and a aftermarket crossram that sold for 112k ? Then another Z28 with aftermarket crossram that sold for 110K ? #'s matching might be important to us but that does not mean that it is to evertyone else. My ZL1 clone had over 100K spent on it but I had people telling me they could build the same car for less than 50K. When this was a small site it probably did not matter if a car was critized here in the forums because only a few of us saw it but it now seems that the site has alot of readers and what it said here really can make a difference so can we please think about what we say before we say it ?......LOL..Stuart does have the ZL1 Clone and is still throwing money at it.... http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[ZL1mike]

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif Charley

[Belair62]

Well said Carley....

[jg95z28]

Don't get me wrong Charley, I totally agree with the idea a car is worth whatever someone is willing to pay for it. However, I also can see why several of our regular members would question such money for what is merely a "nice" car.

Reality 101... the collector car market has gotten so crazy that people have stooped to several dishonest practices from shill bidding on eBay to trying to pass of clones as the real thing. As collectors and enthusiasts it is our right to question everything until proven otherwise. Unlike the court of law, in the court of collector cars its guilty until proven innocent (or proven by documentation). Thus explains why so many of us are skeptical of every "sweet" deal that comes down the pipe. We might not get all the great bargins others get by being skeptical; however we also get crapped-on far less. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif

I'm not saying Mav, or the seller fit into this category. However as some of us don't know either gentleman, one should expect naysayers to be skeptical, or at the least voice their opinions.

[Pantera]

I would also add that what info and or crititizsm they get here is worth big $$$ to a "smart investor" of special interest cars. I sure hope those involved and or potential buyers, will use the negatives expressed on here to their advantage. I am sure that none are meant to denigrate the posters involved.

The total sum of the knowledge of the members on here are something, I feel that is one of the main reasons that they take the time to look in on us and our posts.

I know I relied on what was available about the L-78 Nova I purchaced lately. I feel I paid about $4 grand more for it than I should but how often do you get a chance to pick up a 7,000 mi '69 model car?

I took advantage of the good and the bad with out letting it anger me but most importantly I used what I could learn on here as a "Tool" to add to my own knowledge and it did help make the decision easier for me to make the purchase before someone on here beat me to it.

Good luck to those involved with this car. Please come back and share what you find out about it. Good or Bad. I know I sure would like to have that motor...!!!

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Pantera

[gasgsx]

I am the guy who seems to have created all of the problems,i never dreamed this car would have created this much fuss,i was not a member before but having owned as many muscle cars in the past i can see i should have been.The gentleman who posted lastnite about the pix of the engine compartment was correct about the red on the inside of the fender , when i saw the posting this morning i came to my office and pulled the brace off and saw the red primer where the brace had rubbed the paint.I never saw it before my techs put it back together.As far as the 4 spd.i dont believe that is correct.In any event it doesnt really matter, i was selling it to buy an old 66 Lamborghini but it sold on Friday.I have now pulled it from Ebay and decided to keep it , after all i built it because i was in love with this idea since i aquired the engine about 4 years ago.It actually is a beautifull car without a tape line in any door jam or trunk or engine compartment.If you are ever in Dallas you would be welcome to come and see it. It sits inside at Lamborghini Dalas.If anyone has the gentlemans # who drove about 70 miles to look at it , i could use it to let him know.Hopefully he will be watching .By the way i would like to have back the 67 mustang he bought a few years back , it is a killer.

[Mr70]

Welcome gasgsx.
Before a Moderator says it,please fill out your profile. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif
Can you clear up your Ebay ID name for us.
Is it IAmBogas,or LamboGas?
Thanks

[Belair62]

Gotta be Lambogas since he is at a Lambo dealer....hey Gas 66 Lambo were you looking to buy ???

[gasgsx]

The car i was looking at was a 66 400GT they only made 23, they were 350 bodies with 4 litre 12 cylinder motors.2 seat cars. The lambogas is just lambo with my initials.

[MotownMadman]

GASGSX,
If someone was to locate the particular car you are looking for what is the average current market value for one?
Motown http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[55chevy]

[ QUOTE ]

I know I relied on what was available about the L-78 Nova I purchaced lately. I feel I paid about $4 grand more for it than I should but how often do you get a chance to pick up a 7,000 mi '69 model car?

I took advantage of the good and the bad with out letting it anger me
Pantera

[/ QUOTE ]

You know Larry, you may have paid a little more for the car upfront, but if you follow this car through to completion using your own skills to do the work as you want to do and then enjoy the car awhile.. you'll have a lot less $$ in the finished product than the next guy would have who farms out all the work. Know what I mean? You did ok on that one. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif

[Racefan]

I tried to do this on Saturday, but was unable for some reason. But, I want to apologize to the seller of this car in front of everyone. My goal was only to have the description clarified, which he did within a day. At that point, he had done what was right. There was no way for anyone to be misled at that point. For some reason, the whole situation got the best of me and I didn't let it drop. So, I apologize for my last post....the seller DID DO WHAT WAS RIGHT and in hindsight I would have NO PROBLEM purchasing anything from him. Sometimes I get my thoughts clouded and need to step back and evaluate. Sorry guys.

[DarrenX33]

I'd say we give Gary credit for posting a reply to all that contained no http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbsdown.gif's, http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/bs.gif's or expletives as I think he probably had the right to after the comments made.

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif Welcome aboard Gary.

[Racefan]

Agreed. I would like to welcome him as well, and look forward to his contributions here.

[gasgsx]

Thanx guys , if there is anything i can do for i,e look at a car in this part of yhe country or whatever let me know, by the way on Sunday after i got all of this out of my system i took the car out for a drive and happened by a small car show at Kellers in Dallas , this was the first time anyone had really seen it. I am glad now i had changed my mind.Everyone always goes nut over the exotics but i have never had that type of response to any muscle car i have ever owned, including my GSX or ANY Shelby. Again THANX.

[gasgsx]

Someone has been trying to run a scam on ebay using my car with my photos , just a note its not me!

[BARN FIND]

I know this all happened months ago but I have to put my 2 cents in. The problem I have with this car is that when someone buys a car that can "afford" to pay $150k for a $50k car because he likes it, it drives up the price of every other car that the regular guy with $20-50k to spend should be able to get. Now we are paying $10k for a plain-jane Camaro that needs a complete (body, engine, tranny, frame) restoration and in the end the regular guy either buys that "rustoration" project or nothing at all because the guy that can "AFFORD IT" pays $100-150k for the $20-50k car. Of course this is just one man's opinion. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif

[firstgenaddict]

Supply and Demand. When there are no more people out there that will pay 10K for a plain jane Camaro coupe then the price will come back down. As long as there are people willing to pay that and more then the prices will keep rising. It is like they say in the Art world. Don't buy it because you think you are going to make money on it. Buy it because you enjoy it. Then even if you don't make money on it you will still have the pleasure of owning, driving, racing, and etc.

[BARN FIND]

Heck I don't buy them to make money, I just want to be ABLE to buy them!!! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif

[Canucklehead]

As the population grows, your going to get more people interested in "antiques". Not only that but these baby boomers are making their mark in the world now and have money to buy their dream cars. Simply put, there won't be enough to go around and those that have will get. How else are you going to explain the recent prices of 70-71 Cuda/Chalanger Hemi Ragtops?. Personally i don't see the market ever coming down. It might fluctuate, but i would say buy what you can now becouse it ain't changin!! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/headbang.gif

[KNAPPY]

I agree. The current prices on collector cars in gereral are not going to come down. So many people are wondering when the "bubble" will burst. I don't believe it will. I was told 10 years ago to buy what you can afford because the prices will only go up and they have. Just my thoughts. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/3gears.gif

[BARN FIND]

WHICH you rather have, the car with the Yenko motor for $150K or this car. WHICH is really worth it? YOU DECIDE!!!

http://www.cars-on-line.com/69cam16815.html

[Canucklehead]

What is exceptable prices for Copo's these days?. Are Yenkos/Bergers etc really worth that much more, and why?. What about these special edition cars (ZL1, Cross rams, etc.) Sure, depending on milage, condition ,rarity. What's your opinions on todays price range of these cars, and where do you see the prices in say a year from now? Some of these E-bay cars seem overpriced, but somebody is paying.

[firstgenaddict]

Well on the Yenko camaros. One came on the market yesterday morning at 9:00 for $165,000 and was sold posted as sold by 7 pm. I don't know what the selling price was but I'll bet that it was not much less than the asking.
ZL1's $300,000 plus for a restored car.
COPO Chevelle sold recently for around $75,000 I believe. CE block with warranty papers. Needed full resto but was solid.
A couple of other COPO's on the market right now.
Berger double COPO in Fla. for sale don't know the asking.
A Black over black and white houndstooth Double COPO for sale in Arkansaw for $175,000.
A Hugger Orange with black roof COPO for sale in Canada for $105,000 if it is still available.

[Canucklehead]

I suppose you could say the car is only worth as much as the market will pay. For arguments sake, lets say 69 yenko Camaros with a good resto $150-$175, $10k more for 4spd, Yenko Chevelles $10k less. Copo's, About 10k less, with the Copo Chevelles being about $10k behind them. Yenko Novas going from $350-$400 if you can find one. Bergers, Nickeys, etc, about the same $ as the copo's. Do'es that sound right?, add more if you like

[BARN FIND]

MY point was that I would rather have the real COPO than the Yenko ZL1 clone, after all that is really what is was even with a rare Yenko block.

http://www.cars-on-line.com/69cam16815.html

[Canucklehead]

I agree, but i thought it might be fun to see what others thought about where the prices on these supercars are going. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[Jeff H]

I would take the real thing if I could afford it and if not then a well built clone would be just as much fun. I didn't buy my JL8 car as an investment, I wanted to have something different to take to shows. The market took off and helped me justify putting more money into it than I had planned.