Opinion on 69 Z28 for sale

[FrankieZ]

I am getting ready to buy a 69 Z has original motor and 4:10 rear, replacement M22 the car was originally burgundy now painted black older laquor job looks nice not perfect very nice and clean driver all mechanicals are in order nice chrome and original red interior solid frame all panels and floors appear to be original sheet metal the asking price 35K does that sound reasonable ? im a Vette guy so this is kinda new to me so any help would be appreciated.

Thank you all in advance

[Jeff H]

Seems a little high with it being the wrong color. The car is probably worth $35-38K at most if it was the original color. It would probably cost $5-10K to have it repainted the original color so take that into account. I don't think the car would be worth $45K after being repainted so you may want to adjust your offer accordingly.

[COPO]

I would think low $20's. Restored Z's can be bought in the low to mid $30's pretty easily.

[jg95z28]

Low 20's? Come on now. If you can find me an original 69 Z/28 that's just as nice but the wrong color for "low 20's" I'll take it.

As for the value of this particular car, it all depends on the paperwork and how much of it remains original and verifiable. But I can see it easily fetching what their asking for it out here in on the west coast.

[KENNY_PASCOE]

JG,
I AGREE WITH YOU. I HIT NUMEROUS SHOWS ALL YEAR AND 69 Z/28'S IN THE LOW 20'S RANGE IS FEW AND FAR BETWEEN. I'D BE BUYING EVERYONE THAT COMES ALONG. IF ITS A NUMBERS CAR AND HAS GOOD SHEETMETAL AND PRESENTS ITSELF WELL LOW TO MID 30'S AS FAR AS A RANGE SEEMS TO BE THE MARK. JUST MY OPINION... KP

[Charley Lillard]

I agree with above two posts. Black looks good also. To give a better opinion it would be good to know if there is any paperwork.

[shor]

clillard, stop bs ing and start UPLOADING!!

[supercomp 8.90]

i agree with jg it is real hard to find a decent z of any kind in the low 20's. it seems like 28-38,000. is the norm for a decent car. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

[Jeff H]

But knowing that the car needs a repaint back to original color do you guys still think it's worth $35K since it would cost $5-10K to get back to Burgundy? I just don't think it would be a $45K car after the repaint unless it has some great paperwork. It looks good in the picture, but he said the paint isn't that great so I would assume you'd want to paint it for maximum enjoyment.

[FrankieZ]

if by paperwork do you mean a protect-o-plate, dealer invoice or owners history... no there isnt just the trim tag showing the typical ID#s and that its an X33 Nor car and documentation that the owner just did 12K worth of work putting all the mechanicals in order and getting everything
on the car working. I am attaching and under the hood photo.


Thanks again for all your input
FrankieZ

[69RSZ]

well if you like the car set your price and buy it.from the pic i can see it doesnt have the correct master cylinder,power steering pully doesnt look like the deep groove type.also the horn looks a little different.no smog system either.and you said the color is wrong and it doesnt have the original trans.did you check the rear? all codes and dates.are the heads original? alt and starter part numbers,distributor. all this counts toward the price of the car. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/flag.gif

[Belair62]

If it was my dough I would wait for one with less issues....JMO

[jg95z28]

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...from the pic i can see it doesnt have the correct master cylinder,power steering pully doesnt look like the deep groove type.also the horn looks a little different.no smog system either.and you said the color is wrong and it doesnt have the original trans.did you check the rear? all codes and dates.are the heads original? alt and starter part numbers,distributor. all this counts toward the price of the car. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/flag.gif

[/ QUOTE ]Those would all be valid reasons to lower the price. However, if at least the engine is #'s matching and it is confirmed a real Z-28, I still have to say its worth more than low 20's. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif

[camarojoe]

I sold my dad's X33 69 Z/28 on ebay in Feb. for 22,500. While it didnt have the 302 in it, most all of the other components were there, including original trans, rear, master cylinder, booster, etc. and original interior. 71 71 Lemans blue paint, probably of similar quality to the black one in question. Does the original engine make it worth 12k+ more when the rest of the car has so many "issues", including the wrong trans, paint color, etc.? That's up to the buyer to decide. While I'll be the first to agree that you're not gonna find and show-ready 69 Z's for anywhere 20 grand, the car in question seems a little high for 35k IMO.

[Salvatore]

Joe, Unless that car had holes in the floor that guy got a steal. Show me where you can get a lawn mower painted for $5000 and I will do it. Buy the car for $30,000 if it is clean. Only the trim tag knows the color. Besides, What do you Supercar guys know about a lowly old Z/28?

[camarojoe]

Well Sam, it was on ebay, so it wasnt like it was sitting out in front of the house with a for sale sign.... everyone in the world who was looking for a 69 Z saw it, and it sold for 22500... call it a steal if you like, but it had over 6000 hits, and the auction ran its course, so it wasn't like no one knew it was for sale. I've seen many other non numbers Z's sell in that general price range on ebay too. Perfect, correct cars are rare, and expensive, but driver quality, non numbers matching Z's don't seem to be that terribly hard to find for a decent price if you look.

[hvychev]

Joey your dads Z was just unlucky as far as that exact week that it sold....I to think that it could have brought more dough....just needed the right buyer for it. Was a pretty nice car for the money. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[DWCamaro69]

Frankie, I agree that restored, real Z/28's with correct 302's are not around for low $20K's anymore. If so I would buy everyone I found. I dont think the color change hurts the value much. Black is beautiful. The red interior hurts the value alot more than the color change IMHO. Looks like about a $30K car to me from the pictures and your description. I have a rotisserie restored Garnet Red X77 that I will be selling soon and I will probably ask at least $35K for it (pic attached). If you like the black car go for it! Good luck..

[Tim Greer]

Personally, I'd wait for DWCamaro69's car above to be available. Also, for the record, other than the sheet metal/interior, I think the engine, and then trans is what makes the car worth more.

If CamaroJoe had the original 302 in that, he's have gotten $10K+ more, easily, I think (and from what I've seen). Of course, that's how I feel about it. I turned down a '67 L78 before, just because it wasn't the original engine (and they only wanted $16,500). I regret that, of course, because it did have a 396/375 hp in it (just not the original).

However, I was looking for a numbers matching car and didn't feel like messing around. Anyone would have easily paid far more than $10K more for it, just given the original engine. But, site unseen with 2 hours on the bidding, I wasn't going to risk it.

It'd have been hard to find that car wasn't worth that price anyway, but I just preferred to wait for the right one. I could have gotten it and been happy--it was a good deal no matter, but I'd have had to sell it to offset the price when I did find the 'right car'. If you have someone's 'right car', they'll pay accordingly.

[Salvatore]

Everybody wants numbers matching cars. The most important thing to me is when I go out a take a first look at my car do I like it. Color, quality of car, what car it is etc. Numbers to me are after you get through all that. If everything looks correct you have to bend over hard to try to see the numbers. Half the time you don't know if they are re-stamped or original. As long as a 302 is a 302 and carb, and carb linkage, and intake and so forth are correct http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif then you are close. I feel original to the car is worth more and makes you feel better, but how much? I would rather have a perfect body and high class resto than all matching on a #2-3 car. 90% of the cars that I see are non-numbers cars. Lets junk them?? Where I live you can't buy anything that I would want for less than 25-30 thousand, and those cars are weak. JMO Sam

[Jeff H]

It's definitely getting harder to put a value on some of these cars now. Non original components, color change, modifications, etc. all affect what someone is willing to pay for a car. The biggest problem is the difference in the level of "restoration". Spray the engine orange and the inner fenders black and some people call it restored. But in the end, if you enjoy the car regardless of color, engine, options then it's worth what you paid for it.

[Supergas990]

Just a thought... If it's your goal to get the car back to "numbers matching" or "correct" do some checking into the prices of the parts you'll have to replace.

My current project, an L78 Chevelle, is 100% numbers matching (engine, trans, rear) with docs, but has the wrong carb, distributor and smog. My goal is to restore the car to factory correct, and those three items are not only hard to find, but expensive. I didn't really contemplate that when I forked out the $19k for the car, not to mention the extensive sheetmetal work it needed.

The price sounds fair if it's what you're looking for. But if your goal is loftier, you better add in the price of the missing parts BOME (Based On My Experience).

Blair

[Salvatore]

Jeff, I agree with you. I would love to have your car! Sam

[Tim Greer]

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Everybody wants numbers matching cars. The most important thing to me is when I go out a take a first look at my car do I like it. Color, quality of car, what car it is etc. Numbers to me are after you get through all that.
...

I feel original to the car is worth more and makes you feel better, but how much? I would rather have a perfect body and high class resto than all matching on a #2-3 car. 90% of the cars that I see are non-numbers cars. Lets junk them?? Where I live you can't buy anything that I would want for less than 25-30 thousand, and those cars are weak. JMO Sam

[/ QUOTE ]

I completely understand what you're saying. It also depends on if it's a potential resale later down the road and how easy it might be to get your money back out of it. My personal opinion is, I plan to keep it until I die anyway, so it doesn't matter a lot.

However, I also wanted to have an original engine if I was going to pay the prices people are asking. But, some cars are just worth it anyway and are still a good deal. Certainly, matching #'s aren't the only thing you want to look for, but it will always help the value. If no one else cared, I wouldn't.

But I'd hate to pay too much for a car and maybe be unfortunate enough to need the money one day and try and sell a non matching numbers car for more than people will pay. All in all, I am picky on purpose, what with the price of the cars now-a-days.

[Salvatore]

Well FrankieZ what are you going to do?

[COPO]

Here is one that just sold for low/mid $30's. RS Z-28 w/matching drivetrain and original color: http://www.camaros.net/cgi-bin/cyber/classifieds.cgi?search_and_display_db_button=on&db _id=29257&exact_match=on&photo_size=full

I still think you can do better by looking some more, but if it is what you want, pull the trigger.

[FrankieZ]

Notice that car sold within an hour. i would be willing to bet a dealer purchased it and now has it on his website for 45K+ but if some poor schmuck like myself was lucky enough to get it then god bless em and i tip my hat to them. I have been looking for a car for about 6 months now and a real numbers matching nicely restored and original Z is pretty tuff to find for under 45K. I would love to see these cars in the low 20s that have been mentioned i would buy 1 in a heartbeat.

I wish to thank all those who have responded to my post your input has been very very much appreciated and has been a great help to me in making my decision. I think the car i am looking at is a very nice driver but 35K is top dollar and more than i am willing to pay. I think i will wait cash in hand for the right car to come along. Should anyone reading this have a car they wish to sell please email me.

Thank you again
Ed AKA FrankieZ

[TDW]

Do you want 69 only?

[DWCamaro69]

Looks that that "Survivor" RSZ wasn't all it was advertised to be: History (http://www.camaros.net/cgi-bin/cyber/classifieds.cgi?search_and_display_db_button=on&db _id=29278&exact_match=on&photo_size=full)

[DarrenX33]

Uh oh.

[Salvatore]

Good Work DW. You are on it! Hey Frankie, Come and look at my 1969 R/S-Z and you tell me if it is matching numbers or not. fathom green with dark green interior. Endura bumper with original jack. Come and look and tell me what it is worth to you. Sam http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[FrankieZ]

Actually sam im not a numbers nut i really dont car if the car is matching or original as long as it LOOKS correct has a super paint job a nice interior and i pay a fair price. Just call me crazy i guess. The only reason im shying away from this Z is i know i would want to paint the car then i have 46K into a car that would then be worth 35K...tell me if that makes sense. If i could have bought the car for 30K i would have in a heartbeat but the owner is firm on his price and i respect that.

Btw I hate green interiors http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/haha.gif

[Salvatore]

With non correct paint color that would be the thing that would shy me away the most. 30,000 would be a fair price because there is 2 strikes against it, with the paint and motor. Other than seeing it in person, it doesn't look bad. My green interior is original except for the carpet and dash pad. Looks very nice, but it is..... http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gifgreen. Good luck hunting. Sam

[Tim Greer]

Maybe give it another 2 or 3+ years and $35K for that Z won't be seen the same way. Of course, neither will the more desirable one's w/ correct numbers and better paint.

[supercomp 8.90]

i would keep hunting theres a bundle of 69 z's out there. i would highly recommend matching #s and documentation just take your time!!! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[Supercar_Kid]

I don't wanna rehash an old debate...but with the strong opinions on Z/28 values these days I'd have to say this one went pretty cheap. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif 69 Z/28 (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?MfcISAPICommand=ViewItem&item=%20248 5898487)

[COPO]

Looks like it was a very good buy especially on Ebay. There are still good deals out there if you are patient.

[drdave69]

That Fathom Green car does indeed look like a pretty good buy.
Did anyone else notice the Wing car in the garage? Look at the photo of the dash and you'll see a white Superbird in the garage bay. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif

[Belair62]

Dr D....looks like a 70 GTO !!!

[budnate]

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=6161&item=24864518 83

he has another 69 vert ending soon...........

[drdave69]

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Dr D....looks like a 70 GTO !!!

[/ QUOTE ]

I stand corrected. I just didn't look close enough and now I see the hood scoops and GTO emblems in the grill. It's been a tiresome week.