Interesting

[Late BrakeU2]

I was hoping to find one of these in a garage someday..
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=6161&item=24836055 43&rd=1

[70 copo]

WOW!!!!

I love the paint.

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/burnout.gif

Phil

[DarrenX33]

That car is simply awesome. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif

I like how you see a lot of cars for sale with the Barrett Jackson plug. Like anyone needs a reminder. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif This car stands well enough on it's own. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/flag.gif

[Mr70]

Hey those stripes appeared in a Picture Frank showed us at 02 Vettefest.His father took it years ago of a Chicago area Camaro parked on the Street,only his were black on Orange I thought?
Are those stripes that Rare/unusual?
That is a Beautiful car & Color! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/burnout.gif

[DarrenX33]

Your right Rick. Here is the thread about them but the pictures are gone.

Stripes (http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=UBB1&Number=35197&Forum=Al l_Forums&Words=brookfield&Searchpage=0&Limit=25&Ma in=35197&Search=true&where=bodysub&Name=562&datera nge=0&newerval=&newertype=&olderval=&oldertype=&bo dyprev=#Post35197)

[Chris396]

That's a really cool car. Too bad they couldn't get the JL8 package on there too.

[Canucklehead]

I hope this guy dosent expect to get what that Z-28 took at Barrett. Wonder what his reserve is?

[hvychev]

First of all I am not a Camaro guy but this car is absolutely amazing! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/worship.gif

Rick before I finished reading the thread and saw your response I thought of that picture. I am attaching it again. This picture was actually taken by my father in the spring of 1969. You can see the orange 1969 Illinois plates. I posted it before and people said that they were added. I wonder if it was possiable if the factory did it? What do you guys think?

[DarrenX33]

$100K Reserve Not Met
30 bids
5 days 21 hours left.

Might be a good time to start poping the popcorn. This is going to be interesting.

[Charley Lillard]

I would like to see any kind of paperwork that shows the stripes were done like that at the factory. Do they say the car is orig paint ? Do they say the black replacement grill with the Z28 emblem in the wrong place was done at the factory also ? Looks like the top of the firewall is blue instead of white like the stripe color. There are several Camaros out there painted that same color of blue. Might be a neat car but I have a hard time believing all of it.

[resto4u]

I have seen them same stripes on 67 camaro's also. I really doubt it is factory. I have seen stripes like that on vintage scca race cars. Roger

[DarrenX33]

If anyone has a copy of the John Hooper book... Is the yellow Retail Order Form picture on the auction the same one from page 75??

[NEATSS]

[ QUOTE ]
Looks like the top of the firewall is blue instead of white like the stripe color.

[/ QUOTE ]

Would someone like to educate me on this? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif I just returned from a local car show where I saw a very nicely restored RS Z/28. It was hugger orange with white stripes and the top of the cowl beneath the cowl vent panel was painted white. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif

[Salvatore]

As they went down the assembly line, the cars with stripes had the cowl area painted the color of the stripes. Of course the cowl was off. This overspray was not taped off but painted by "a good hand" so the cowl area looked cleaner when the stripes were applied on the cowl itself and hood. When the cowl was put on the car the vents that you see into looked like a better paint job instead of dry overspray. I might of used too many words. Hope you are not more confused. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif Sam

[camarojoe]

"interesting" maybe, but am I the only one who finds this rare color and stripe combo to be hideously ugly? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif I agree with Charley, the grill looks to have been replaced, and is black instead of silver, and unpainted around the outside... installed right out of the box, and the emblem put on it the wrong place... To each his own, but I'd take ANY standard color 69 Z with "normal" sripes on it over smurf blue any day...JMO!

[hvychev]

Wow 130K already....is this a new record? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif

[Canucklehead]

The guy states in his ad that the quarters, trunk and floor are original, yet he says the car is only original once. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif Well if the rest of the body has been replaced why would he claim that it's original. That would also mean that the car was repainted, explaining the lack of the stripe and the replacement grill (you would think that with this RARE car that he would take the time to do it right). Maybe the original front clip was taken out in an accident?, but then again that dosent explain the rest of the car, what about the rest of the chassis? WOW 130K, we're approching Yenko/Copo territory with 5 days to go. If this car reaches $150 the buyer must have escaped from a home. Watch it come back on saying the guy was a mooch. He says it is also being advertised locally, i wonder what he expects out of it becouse reserve still is'nt met. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[Canucklehead]

Just out of curiosity i phoned that #, no answer but the answering machine sounded like a kid or a woman. Come to think of it maybe the car belongs to a woman, it would explain the RARE color. Not that men ar'nt into Baby Blue muscle cars, i wonder if it comes with matching fuzzy pink seat covers??? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif

[Unreal]

It ain't baby blue, it's CAROLINA BLUE. Us rednecks love that color. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

[Charley Lillard]

Some of us might not care for it but can we not go overboard on beating it up ?

[NEATSS]

Thanks for the explanation, Sam. It make sense now. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[PhilS]

Didn't Legendary have an LS-6 Chevelle in this same color a while back? It seems like it took them a very long time to move that car. To me it looks better on the Camaro. I'd like to know if the Baby Blue used on the 70 Oldsmobiles is the same color. I've seen them with bright blue stripes. Very unusual!

[Charley Lillard]

Yes I used to own that LS6 Chevelle. It was a Cadillac color. Worldwide Musclecars also had a 69 Camaro SS car that color.

[DarrenX33]

[ QUOTE ]
Worldwide Musclecars also had a 69 Camaro SS car that color

[/ QUOTE ]

The UCLA tribute car if I remember correctly..

[Mr70]

I believe that's GM Paint code #20 Light Blue.
Also known as code #80 when applied on some when built in Canada.Applications B-O-P-Cad.
When the car is done & detailed right..I LIKE IT! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif

[LeMans Blue X77]

Hey guys maybe I missed some newer info but I thought D80 cars were pre April'69. 06A is June '69?

also weren't all Cross Ram kits dealer installed? not factory!

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/scholar.gif

[berger]

I really don't understand all the hangups on if a union worker at a gm plant bolted the intake on or the spoiler, or if a nonunion gm dealership worker out in the garage did it, gm or one of their many subcontractors made the parts and they got on the car period, that car is in a well known camaro book so its gonna go for big money and double that in 5-10yrs when its resold and so on..if your a tarheel fan I would buy the car now cuz all special short runs are only gonna push in the future the 68zconvert recent price that had a lot of the same questions as to its crossram, jl8, etc. being orig, or installed 2wks later, or freshened up..buy it drive it and sell it later for double http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[mmcporter]

Nicely put. It's OK to call out details that aren't correct, but there's no need to question the seller's ethics in absence of any proof to the contrary.

[americanmusclecars]

It does not appear to be the same one pictured in John R. Hoopers book "The 1969 Camaro Reference Book" However the one pictured in the book has a hand written note that reads, "continued on the following page" So maybe the one pictured in the auction is the second page?

[Jeff H]

Interesting car, but does the paperwork show the light blue to be the original color ordered? Also, is the chambered exhaust added, I couldn't see the NC8 on the option sheets? I don't want to beat up on the car, but if you want to get $150K you could at least have some pictures that are big enough to read the paperwork.

[DarrenX33]

Attached is the picture of the order form from the Hooper book. Color is indicated as "Special paint blue with white". No codes.

[ QUOTE ]
So maybe the one pictured in the auction is the second page?

[/ QUOTE ]

After looking further yes the one in the auction appears to be the 2nd page. I would have flaunted the documentation.

[hvychev]

I would assume that any real serious buyers would not rely on reading the docs from the auction to decide wheather to purchase the car. I know if I was going to spend that type of cake I would be on a plane to see it in person.

[berger]

teamcamaro has light blue as code 80 and a very similiar one under commercial truck for 1969 as code 504, both look like this cars' color, samples of the paint codes are provided at bottom of team camaros paint code page.. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/burnout.gif

[bkhpah]

A local friend of mine bought a parts car out of Colorado. It is a -- paint code car painted that blue with white stripes like a Z and blue standard gut. A 6 banger that was called a Denver Hugger. The color is "different"..BKH

[Jim Mattison]

The color on this Z-28 is called "Carolina Blue". We processed quite a few special orders in 1969-70 for cars to be painted this color.

Jim Mattison

[Jeff H]

I don't have Hooper's book, but does it show on the paperwork the owner trying to order the NC8 chambered exhaust and JL8 4 wheel disc brakes? I'm surprised the car isn't an RS with all the other options that were added. It looks like someone went down the option list and checked every box they could get. That's pretty cool. Too bad it didn't get the JL8.

[Rick H]

I agree with Charlie, why? I don't know maybe for some reason I like the guy. Smile Charlie it was great seeing you at Carlisle.

Just to add a little bit to the stripes thing here is a picture of a Z/28 we just sold and it had original paint. The car had been off the road since 1975 and was found in a barn in PA. We believe the stripes are original to the car.

Rick H.

[DarrenX33]

Jeff- Really hard to see because the picture is so small. But I think it might say "chambered" on the first line of the order form which is pictured in the auction.

Rick- Can you post more pictures of this car??

[Jeff H]

The picture from Hoopers book shows the 4.10 gears being ordered but only the 3.73 shows up on the documentation in the auction. So if somebody did try to order all those options it sure looks like they were too late for some of them and others got overlooked. Very interesting history to this car.

[Canucklehead]

When i watch these cars on ebay going for bg dollors, i gotta ask myself "why would somebody pay that kind of money sight unseen and not even talk to the guy", not only that but i would'nt put any money in anybodys account that i don't have some kind of rapor with. These days you never know what or who this guy represents. I've noticed some cars on e-bay that would command a much better price but just can't reach that mark on a small info auction such as e-bay but yet the guy leaves no contact info for anybody that may want to persue the car through another venue. I guess anybody that has a serious car would not normally go to e-bay. It seems to me that if your selling your car on e-bay it seems to be questionable. Anybody thats has cars such as the ones on this board have no problem finding buyers anyways.......................my 2 cents

[Rick H]

Darren,
Here is a link to the Blue Turquoise Z/28 we sold. The car was amazingly (is that a word?) original. Only thing missing was the smog equipment but the pump bracket was still on the car.

http://www.camaros.com/bluez.html

Rick H.

[hvychev]

Very cool Rick! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif

[Canucklehead]

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2483579525&sspagename= STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT

Heres an interesting car, the bid has been at 36k for two days, the guy is hoping to get around 125k, just don't see it happening, but at least he left a #

[Canucklehead]

Oh, and the Z-28 is finished at $148.099 it's been taken off as it is no longer for sale.

[Casey Marks]

WOW ! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif

That Coronet R/T is a rare bird ! I don't think that I have ever seen a '69 B-body with a luggage rack ?? Notice how it is in front of the butt-stripe ? My 70 Charger SE 500 has a luggage rack, and that is rare, but a '69 Coronet .... WOW. And it is a correct B-body luggage rack too ! As they are unique, and different from the E-bodies, which are more popular. Neat car. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[Chris396]

Hmm so are we going to see this one at action this winter? "Now's your chance to own the car that was seen on eBay! But this time there is no reserve!" Seems like an attention getter action to me. Now the seller needs to have it featured in a few magazines this summer or fall.

[Supercar_Kid]

[ QUOTE ]
Just to add a little bit to the stripes thing here is a picture of a Z/28 we just sold and it had original paint. The car had been off the road since 1975 and was found in a barn in PA. We believe the stripes are original to the car.

[/ QUOTE ] Jeff, your Z looked to be an outstanding original car, but I don't think the tailpan stripes look original to it. It's hard to tell in the pics, but it looks like the small surrounding stripes are applied with parts store pinstriping tape. Notice the thick/thin surrounding pin stripes edging the wide stripes on the tail pan. I think the hood and decklid stripes are most likely unmolested, but it looks like someone simply extended them onto the deck edge/tailpan. I'd bet any money those thin stipes around the outside were tape, but again JMO. Great car in a great color. I'm surprised AT wasn't more popular back in '69, it looks great trimmed in black.

[Rick H]

Who's Jeff? Anyways, I'll take that bet. That is not tape. When I got about 4 inches away from the car I could tell it was paint and not tape. Those stripes are painted on, including the small stripes and are very old. Now granted, they could have been added very early in the life of the car but who knows. When we sold the car we never claimed the stripes to be original. When comparing both cars, the stripes are painted pretty close to identical including the deck lid strip underneath the spoiler. I find it interesting that both cars are X33D80 as well.

But here's the kicker. We must be doing something wrong because he got $150,000 for a car that has obvious correctness issues (nice battery cable clamps) and we sell an original unrestored Z/28 for $25,000. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif

Times, they are a changing.

Rick H.

[DjD]

If you look close at the baby blue car the stripes are not the same as the car you sold Rick. On the baby blue car the stripes go all the way to the glass on the rear deck...

[DarrenX33]

Dennis- Check it again. That is correct for a vinyl top car.

[DjD]

OOPS! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[Rick H]

What he said. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/scholar.gif

[DarrenX33]

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif I had to look twice myself.

[Supercar_Kid]

Sorry Rick, didn't mean to mixing up names up again. I looked at the pics again and I can see what you're saying. The close up of the trunk opening shows only a single 1/4" outlining stripe, not the "double" stripe as I had believed I saw in the straight-on tail pic. Even being painted on as nicely as they were, a person has to assume they were added unless there is some sort of documentation or owner history to back it up. They do warrant a closer look on a car that original for sure. It's an interesting car stripes or no stripes, and a deal at 25 grand IMO. Heck, I'd rather have a 55 Azure car anyday over some *special -- Carolina Blue. Again, just my opinion. Welcome to the site.

[Rick H]

No problem on the name mixup. I've been called worse.
http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif

The car was a steal and if I had the extra money I might have have bought it myself. I have a soft spot for the 67 so to me it was just another car.
The new owner got a very nice original car. Something you just don't see everyday. It would be cool to find out the stripes were original.

Glad to be aboard and hope I can add to the site.

Rick H. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/flag.gif

[MosportGreen66]

Rick -- do you know how the new owner is going to restore the Z? Is he going to paint it with or without the extended striping?

-Dan

[Rick H]

Not sure yet what his plans are. I do know that he plans on doing a full resto on the car and he might start next spring. He has been in contact with us about some NOS GM sheetmetal.
I would like to see it restored the way it is now. Would be interesting.

Rick H.

[Benny]

[ QUOTE ]
But here's the kicker. We must be doing something wrong because he got $150,000 ....

Rick H.

[/ QUOTE ]

Doubt it. He didn't get squat for the car. It was a shill auction.

[AutoInsane]

Benny are you just assuming or do you have information about the auction? Looking at the bidding, the buyers seemed to be reputable and numerous.

Please don't put out a strong acusation with out merit.

Thank you http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/scholar.gif

[Rick H]

Thanks for posting what I was thinking. Show us the proof! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbsdown.gif

Rick H.

[JoeG]

That R/T is a knockout---
That Carolina Blue Camaro keeps the variety going--Legendary Motors did a segment on a '69 SS 396 Chevelle in this color /black int--------------- looked http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif-----IMHO

[Benny]

Guys,

Let's use some common sense here. Why would someone who had a rediculous bid of $148,000 for a 1 of 1 Z/28 end an auction 2 days early? Don't forget, the auction ended early with only $1,500 away from the reserve. You might say that someone offered the guy 10k more to end the auction early but having said that, if you were the seller, wouldn't you take the auction to the very end to see what you could get. Anyone here see the car or knows the buyer?

[Belair62]

I didn't think common sense applied to E-Bay !!!

[AutoInsane]

Benny,

I have to agree with you. It sure doesn't seem right to end an auction of this type early but we do not know the details. Perhaps someone made an offer to the seller that he thought was a good deal and acted on it or on the extreme other hand maybe the auction was bogus. Yes this auction could have been done to advertise the car... set a high reserve and have associates bid on it. We don't know without further details.

I myself was going to write a post about the possibility of the buyer having friends post fictitious bids to pump the price of this car but looking at who the bidders are there sure seem to be credible buyers in the crowd (as well as some brand new E-bay accounts). But if there was even just one real buyer in the crowd then the price is a realistic one. Someone being willing to pay that price.

All of it is supposition in this case because it all occurred below the reserve. An auction like this leaves more questions than answers. If the action had occurred above the reserve and the car sold then there would be no questions. It would have been bid for at a price that the car would have changed hands at. I could put a toothpick for sale on Ebay with a $30,000 reserve and have friends bid it up to $29,999.... would it then be worth the $29,999 just due to the fact it got to that level on an Ebay auction? You tell me.

I do not know this car, seller or anything else about this auction. It may well be 100% honest and someone did bid it up to $148,000. I would welcome someone who has any facts to post them. The only point I am trying to make is 'caveat emptor'. Know what you are buying and what it should be worth. If you are buying something of this high dollar amount on an online auction contact the seller see the vehicle and do the homework.

Reality is merely our percieved view of an occurance. This perception can be altered thru illusion. Did we see a $148,000 Z/28.. hummmm... did we??

[Benny]

[ QUOTE ]
I didn't think common sense applied to E-Bay !!!

[/ QUOTE ]

Amen brother!

[Charley Lillard]

I just heard from a guy who just heard from another guy that the car did sell in that price range. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/Charley.gif

[Benny]

[ QUOTE ]
Reality is merely our percieved view of an occurance. This perception can be altered thru illusion. Did we see a $148,000 Z/28.. hummmm... did we??

[/ QUOTE ]

Good point. It's just like the yellow Xram car at B-J, everyone with an X77 Xram car thinks its worth 116k. Either they don't know or tell you that that sale fell through. Now people see this Carolina Blue car at 148k and just like that, their car is worth 148k. This sort of thing only help the money hungry and not the pure hobbyists.

[Late BrakeU2]

The valuation levels of the real cars are becoming pretty scary.About two years ago Chris B at TRM was selling an LA 69 RSZ cross ram/JL8,Cortez/black vinyl top,just about every option availible was ordered,and had docs..I waited a day too long and he sold it to a collector in the N.E. for the asking price of 75k.My freind and I figured out it had to have been the same car another teenage friend bought from the original owners mother in 1978,it had been sitting in a sub garage on Wilcox ave in Hollywood with four flats and an inch of dust.He persuaded her to let it go-for $700.00.There are no more free lunches http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/no.gif

[DarrenX33]

[ QUOTE ]
LA 69 RSZ cross ram/JL8,Cortez/black vinyl top,just about every option availible was ordered,and had docs..

[/ QUOTE ]

Wasn't this car just featured in a magazine? I can't remember which one.

[Bill Pritchard]

[ QUOTE ]
Why would someone ...end an auction 2 days early...only $1,500 away from the reserve.... wouldn't you take the auction to the very end to see what you could get.

[/ QUOTE ]

Ever hear of the old proverb "A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush"? Hey, I'm as amazed as anyone here, but I just don't find the scenario all that implausible http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif

[Redneck]

I'm the quiet redneck that says nothing but- the car is now back on e-bay listed by the infamous scam artists overseas. How guliable can people be to fall for these scams??

[ACES 070]

I have ended quite a few auctions before they were finished,,, the old "bird in the hand" I have known several folks that have let em run,, just to end up with sum 16 year old on the other end with no intention or means to buy a mo-ped let a lone a 20-50K car,,, JMHO

[JoeG]

I sent them an e-mail--waiting for a reponse

[DjD]

For those wondering what a scam auction looks like...

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=2484498532&catego ry=6161

[jfkheat]

I called the phone number listed in the first auction and left him a message. Too bad there in no way to catch these scammers and put an end these things.
James

[Bill Pritchard]

Looks like the scam auction is history http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/flag.gif

[JoeG]

Just got a response to my e-mail, Thought it was pretty amusing--Crooked, but amusing--Here it is as worded and spelled-----
Hello and thank you for contacting me
I will tell you a few words about the car
First of all the car is fully restored and looks just like in the pictures.
It is in imaculate condition and has no schrach on and hasn't bee involved in any accident.
The motor runs very well. This is a classic car that has a lot of the original parts and thr tires are almost new.
The title is clear, it is not a salvage one.
The car belongs to my brother. He died two weeka ago in a bike accident.
The car is now in Paris, France as my brother lived there. I am now here as i took care of the funerals.
Because i can't carry all his things back home i am selling them.
I am willing to sell it and shipp it to any of the UE countries or to US. I will not ship to any African, Asian or Eastern European countries.
I know that the price is low but i have no use for the car and I want to gat back home as soon as i sell it.
I want to sell the car asap so I am willing to pay the shipping fees nomatter of the location.
I require a deposit of 3000USD, with the balance when the car arrive at your shipping door.
The total price i hope to sell this car is 9,000USD
I will ship using KLM 3-5 days, by plane to the nearest airport. From ther a truck will bring the car at your door.
The moneys a reservation for the car.
First one who makes the deposit willbe the buyer. I need the deposit to be sure you want the car and in order to proceed with shipping and all the additional export taxes.
I wait your further questions and will provide any infos you need.
Thank you
Regards!

[jfkheat]

That is pretty much the same generic email that they send out on all these scams. "The Car" could be a $150,000 Z28 or a $200 Gremlin. Email them back and ask some basic questions about the car that anyone that knows anything about cars would know, like what the firing order is http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif.
James

[Canucklehead]

Why is it in all these scam e-mails, the guy can't spell, dosent he have spell check?. I wonder if its the same guy all the time?, becouse the story is always somewhat the same. Not only that but if anybody with half a brain would notice that he has a pile of these scams going at one time. If it's the same guy, why can't e-bay put a stop to this?.I notice that they take these scams off pretty quick