COPO for Sale on Team Camaro

[firstgenaddict]

Saw this one today and had not seen a reference any where thought somebody might be interested.
69 COPO (http://www.camaros.net/cgi-bin/cyber/classifieds.cgi?search_and_display_db_button=on&db _id=27383&exact_match=on&photo_size=full)

[Belair62]

Nice looking car !

[olredalert]

-----Anybody have any idea how many COPOs were delivered to McDormans? I would really like to know. I went to Ohio U back then and visited Bobs every time I went to or thru Columbus. He always had a bunch of high-perf stuff available..........Bill S

[Wacky174]

For that kind of price I would think that he/they would pull the interior and search for the broadcast sheet. Now that he said that it may exist I would think that any serious offer would require the owner to pull a door panel or more.

Wacky

[MosportGreen66]

IMO -- If the interior is original what would be the point of ripping it apart?

[firstgenaddict]

Agreed Mosport IMO if the shipper order is there that is all you need.
That would have all RPO's on it anyway.
No need to go ripping anything apart.

[JChlupsa]

Most likely a Norwood car so it would not be worth tearing it apart searching for it.

[Charles]

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-----Anybody have any idea how many COPOs were delivered to McDormans? I would really like to know. I went to Ohio U back then and visited Bobs every time I went to or thru Columbus. He always had a bunch of high-perf stuff available..........Bill S

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One of the guys there, Dan Aldridge had a very nice Ontario Orange 1972 Corvette Coupe with the LT-1 motor and factory air. Bob had and still has some very nice cars there. He did not focus on just one model. There was this red 1963 Impala SS convertible with 1400 orig miles...

[Jeff H]

It's tough to tell from the ad but it sounds like it doesn't have the original motor in it. It says "numbers correct" which sounds like it could be a different motor to me. Sure seems like a fair price for a documented COPO even if it isn't the original motor.

[GM-26]

If the car was giving a "total restoration", in 1984, why wasn't the buildsheet found then? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif

[Supercar_Kid]

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If the car was giving a "total restoration", in 1984, why wasn't the buildsheet found then? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif

[/ QUOTE ] A buildsheet for a Norwood Camaro is a rarity to say the least. It was just dumb luck back in '69 if a car happened to leave the line with it's buildsheet still in the car anyhow, it wasn't intended to be this highly sought after document that was essential to documenting the car, it was simply an order sheet for assembly line workers to follow. Kinda like when a waitress takes down your order and gives it to the cook. It's not too often that you get the cook's copy of your order brought to the table along with your burger and fries. I'm sure many build sheets got pitched at the car's last stop on the line, or they were gathered up and tossed along with the plastic off of the seats, hang tags, etc. during dealer prep/pre-delivery inspection. Don't be so quick to discredit a Norwood Camaro simply because it doesn't have a build sheet, you'll find there aren't many that do.

[firstgenaddict]

Exactly at the last stop on the assembly line all of the build sheets were supposed to be discarded so it was the hastiness/laziness of the line workers that led to "us" discovering them to begin with.

[GM-26]

I am quite familar with the whole buildsheet process. It's just really strange that in the seller's description that he would suggest removing the car's interior to find the buildsheet. My point is, you would think that the entire interior would have been removed during the 1984 "total restoration" and if there was a buildsheet to be found it would have been then.

[Bill Pritchard]

I think the seller's comment about the build sheet was probably ill-advised. While I do not personally know the seller, one of my best friends knows him well and has spoken highly of him in the past, for what that's worth http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif

[Jeff H]

Bill, out of curiosity, do you know if the car has the original engine in it?

[Bill Pritchard]

I have no clue about anything on the car. I only know that my friend has spoken highly of the seller.

[Steve Shauger]

My understanding is that the engine and rear are correct, but the transmission is not.

[ORIGLS6]

Bill,
I too know the owner and have seen the car up close. He lives about 30 miles East of me. He has spent the past year cleaning the under side of the car and replating a few minor pieces. It was, by his admission, an 'over restoration' in 1984. They even clear coated the engine and intake, which he was planning to correct. I don't know if he got around to that yet. Whatever he tells you about the car can be taken as gospel; the best of his knowledge.
He planned to bring it to SCR6 but was hit with rotator cup problems and didn't get the car back together in time. It's possible it will be there this year, if it hasn't sold by then.
It's a fairly high-option car for a COPO. I have a copy of the dealer invoice somewhere as we had planned to do a display board for it. That may still happen.

[Jeff H]

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My understanding is that the engine and rear are correct, but the transmission is not.

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Correct and original often have 2 different meanings. I know his ad says they are correct, but does that mean they are the original parts that match the VIN and POP? I love the red, you don't find that many red COPOs.

[Steve Shauger]

The car is hugger orange. Unless you have owned the car since new or almost new, or know the intimate history it is difficult to claim it is absolutely original. You should ask the owner his interpretation correct instead of speculating. Is your JL8 absolutely the original drivetrain...

[Jeff H]

My engine, trans and rear all match the POP and partial VIN. The engine is not completely original with things like the heads, exhaust manifolds, crank and pistons changed, but it is the original numbers matching block. Man, that car sure looks red to me. But then I'm color blind so that could explain it! I'm not trying to put the car down but rather asking if anyone has seen it and do they know if it has the number's matching original engine.

[Steve Shauger]

Colors look different based on monitor settings and adjustments. Gotta love hugger orange, Don Stowers Yenko looked awesome at Carlisle.

[Wacky174]

Not to beat a dead horse here but if the possibility exists that the car had the potential to produce a build sheet and your pocket was stuffed with the cash to make a deal, I know with out a doubt that a vast majority of you would look for it. Face it a few on this site have said one time or another that original documentation is money in the bank. If I was so inclined and had the money to buy this car and was told that a build sheet could exist I would most certainly pull something or at least make an attempt, and I don't mean after it was brought home. Sure the seller would likely say forget it but I would try my darndest(?)to find it. I agree those that the owner may have jumped the gun in his statement of possibly having one but my 2 cents says that a build sheet is priceless, never a show stopper but sure is super nice to have. I have attended a few high end auctions over the years and when the auction begins to stall just the repeated mentioning of a build sheet or in general any original paper work that offered proof of it's originality generaly seemed to ralley up the price a touch. I'm extremely lucky my '69 Coupe has all but the original window sticker, too include a mint broadcast sheet with carbon copy.Sure I paid a touch more but it was money very wisely invested. At my local shows those that are into these rides flip when I show them all the paper work. I must believe that it effects value in a big way. Enough said.. Again my 2 pennies.

Wacky http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/scholar.gif

[firstgenaddict]

Wacky The shippers order is just as good as the build sheet when it comes to documenting a car. It has all RPO's listed on it. Fewer people know about them. Which is why you don't hear about them as often as build sheets. I think that if you took a poll of the collectors out there they would take either a shippers order or a build sheet as documentation as to how the car left the assembly plant.

[Steve Shauger]

Shipper Copy is certainly excellent documentation, basically a copy of the window sticker. Broadcast sheet (there are two types) were used in the Camaro assembly process and provide more detailed information regarding components and options used in the assembly of that car.

[Wacky174]

Certainly no argument here guys.. I have the RPO as well on another cars. Just as neat as the other documents. I'm just a purest. When I invest my money into a car, and lord knows I have spent bookoo amounts I like to have something unique. I find that a fully papered car does it for me. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif

[Pantera]

I would be more inclined to say that it is a big "ALMOST AS GOOD"..!!

The only problem with it over a window sticker is that it doesn't have the vin on it to make you positive that you have the one for the car you are looking at. It only lists the options that were put on a car and do not ID the car it goes to by Vin.

[COPO]

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The only problem with it over a window sticker is that it doesn't have the vin on it to make you positive that you have the one for the car you are looking at. It only lists the options that were put on a car and do not ID the car it goes to by Vin.

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Mine has both the VIN and the RPOs. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif

[Charley Lillard]

My 69 Yenko shipper copy has the vin and the options also.

[Steve Shauger]

I never saw a Camaro shipper without a VIN http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/CharleySucks.gif

[Canucklehead]

I have the window sticker and the shipping order for my 94 ranger!!!! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/burnout.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/haha.gif

[SMGCO]

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It's tough to tell from the ad but it sounds like it doesn't have the original motor in it. It says "numbers correct" which sounds like it could be a different motor to me. Sure seems like a fair price for a documented COPO even if it isn't the original motor.

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I agree. The price is reasonable for a COPO without an original number matching drivetrain. However, there has got to be a major piece of the puzzle missing on this car. I think with original number matching drivetrain and the documentation he claims he has it is drastically under priced.
Don't you agree ?