Food For Thought....

[MotownMadman]

Imagine this scenario.... You are in this hobby locating the rare cars for some collectors and finding new homes for others. One day you are contacted by someone who has decided to put together one of the nicest collections to be found. He supplies a list of ten cars to start with, many one of a kind, many with production totals less then twenty. No easy task as the list contains the ones everyone wants. So you dig in your heels and within two weeks the list is assembled, many from owners who had no interest in selling, so a great deal of time is invested working with all involved. Then your prospective new collector who has assured you that finances are no problem as money is no object. So you are patient through the next four weeks as the excuses fall upon you as the snow on the North pole. Finally, without much left to fabricate you are told that far away in another country this wannabe collector has been informed by agencies such as Interpol that you, the person who has dedicated six weeks to this challenging task of putting together a collection anyone here would find outstanding, is an international criminal who is going to run away with all your money, (that never really existed), despite many solid references and former clients. So after wasting six weeks of your time the baffling question occurs as to why.,....nothing makes sense. So now you hire someone with a clear objective mind to try and sort this no gain situation out to be told that it seems some spoiled rotten rich kid that has a issue with you that also never really existed has hired someone to waste your time, money, and irritate your resources who really did not want to sell in the first place. Any input as to who you may start pounding on first in you found your self in the center of such an scenario??????? The straw that breaks the Camels back is you never had the chance to see the tricked out chopped and channeled custom Lear Jet come roaring over your house to land at your local airport to conclude this deal. Heck, ya never know, Santa may come down the chimminey one day after all..........This is the antics of one of the new kids on the block around here. Food for thought gentlemen, Food for thought.
Motown http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif

[TDW]

Motown...When you say "around here", do you mean someone from this site? I am thinkin I would have to pay a visit to the spoiled rich kid. Unannounced of course.

[olredalert]

--------I wondered what was keeping you busy, Matt. Its hard to believe that anyone on this board or,I guess, any board could be this childish and petty. What, in this warped persons mind, led to this? Can you tell us? Im sure it could be of benefit to all of us!........Bill S

[Don_Lightfoot]

I have found that this new millenium has created a general atmosphere of "wasting peoples time" and a total "lack of caring and service" from a lot of people. I see it everyday in business and in my own profession. At times it does get to you and it seems to be everywhere. You never experienced this 20 or 30 years ago when service meant service and a man's word was gospel.

Six weeks of wasted time is unbelievable. I hope that eventually something good will come of it for you, whether that be some type of financial influx or meeting this person face to face for some personal gratification http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/headbang.gif

[budnate]

[ QUOTE ]
I have found that this new millenium has created a general atmosphere of "wasting peoples time" and a total "lack of caring and service" from a lot of people. I see it everyday in business and in my own profession. At times it does get to you and it seems to be everywhere. You never experienced this 20 or 30 years ago when service meant service and a man's word was gospel.


[/ QUOTE ]

Don you hit the nail on the head!! tough to stay up-beat when you deal with rude people....like the old song says "be happy", I stay pretty upbeat and have had many customers say wow and really appreciate good customer service today,I think it is slowly coming back around, I here more people who say they are looking more for customer care after the purchase not just the best price.

Matt, hop on your scooter and go for a long ride....you will feal better when you get home.

Bud.

[hvychev]

hmmmm....Motown this sounds like something right out of a Tom Clancy Novel... http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif

[Belair62]

You have to look in the mirror on this one Mo...in this day of totally BS E-bay auctions I would think a face to face would be prudent....and a few bucks to get you started in the search...especially since I am guessing the list didn't includ 74 Buicks and Pintos....

[MotownMadman]

BelAir,
Geeeezzz Bel Air, ya dissapointed me. I had truly expected you or Charley to tell me that "If it looks like a Duck, walks like a Duck, and talks like a Dick (sp), chances are it's a Duck!!!!"
Motown http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

[Steve_Hoog]

Matt you misspelled duck.

[LVCamaro]

Hey Matt: Do me a favor and tell everyone that it's NOT me that you're referring to when you mention your new "friend" that collared you, then walked you like a puppy dawg. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif Several folks know I have a LearJet and my mailbox is full from emails wondering if you were talking about me. I told 'em it wasn't me, cause I'd never chop/channel mine http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/no.gif...although I'd be happy to give you a list of 10 cars to shop for me...LOL

SS

[70 copo]

I have helped a friend save quite a bit of cash locating cars and parts over the years. He is a good friend and his word is good. We have a future gentleman's agreement in place and I have no doubt that his word is gold. If I was brokering Up front for a cut of the pie with an unknown client I would get a deposit with the understanding that win or loose (if the cars were all located) the deposit was forfit for my time, - and get it in writing.

There are too many "baddies" out there today - unless you know who you are dealing with you gotta watch. (Just my 2cents)


Phil http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/flag.gif

[YENKO DEUCE REGISTRY]

I'm trying to 'imagine the scenario' there Moby, but what exactly are you trying to say? If the 'scenario' is true, isn't it just another day in the life of a high powered musclecar broker? I would also think that with your connections with the IRS, the FBI, the CIA and the local Harley club that you would have prosecuted this guy already - what's taking so long http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif

[MotownMadman]

Steve,
It was certainly not you being referred to here, first of all you have the financial ability to put together the ultimate collection, you are also not one of the new kids on the block, and above all else you actually OWN a Lear Jet! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif I do have some serious cars that I had located for this fella, if interested give me a call or send an Email.
Motown http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[MotownMadman]

Marlin,
IRS? FBI? CIA? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif I would think you might consider having your shrink increase your daily dose of Prozac. Looks like owning your Taiwan based Nova has finally caused you to snap! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
Motown
http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/haha.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/haha.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/haha.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/haha.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/haha.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/haha.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/haha.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/haha.gif

[YENKO DEUCE REGISTRY]

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif
You must be forgetting your first call to me where you tried to impress me with your occupation; 'IRS Tax Avoidance Division', or something like that. Remember my reply? 'So, a half million other people work for the IRS as well' http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

So, what will you do with this guy who causes you to write with such angst?

[MotownMadman]

Marlin,
That explains your intrepretation of our conversation. I did say I made a career of IRS tax avoidance, being an accountant you should know that "Doesnt everybody?" http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
Motown

[Belair62]

You are both grounded...go to your rooms.

[LVCamaro]

That's no fun, boss...we were just gettin' it cranked up a little http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/haha.gif

[Belair62]

Go put some hydralics and 22's on your learjet http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/haha.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/haha.gif

[Denis]

[ QUOTE ]
Hey Matt: Do me a favor and tell everyone that it's NOT me that you're referring to when you mention your new "friend" that collared you, then walked you like a puppy dawg. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif Several folks know I have a LearJet and my mailbox is full from emails wondering if you were talking about me. I told 'em it wasn't me, cause I'd never chop/channel mine http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/no.gif...although I'd be happy to give you a list of 10 cars to shop for me...LOL
SS

[/ QUOTE ]

Steve, if you read Motown's post, you'll see he referred to a "spoiled rotten rich kid".

So he couldn't be referring to you. You're not a kid. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

[LVCamaro]

Yeah...I see the wink-wink there, Denis! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[YENKO DEUCE REGISTRY]

I still don't see the point of the original post, clever story, but....

[AutoInsane]

Anyone ever see the movie 'A Beautiful Mind'??? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif


Seriously, I am sorry to hear someone played you like this. It is quite an intriguing story.

[MotownMadman]

Marlin,
Sorry for your inability to comprehend the meaning to the post which included the word "thought", as in "think", maybe I can devise a way to re-post using picture signals so you can grasp the concept of the similarity of the unfortunate events that occoured to me as could anyone else. Even though I was not relieved of actual cash, being an accountant I would hope you can understand the concept of "opportunity cost". Six weeks of wasted time and effort as well as financial expenses could have been better spent in a more productive way. It was not a total waste however, you finally managed to make my short list should I ever be diagnosed with a terminal illness. And to think I saved you a lot of grief by not giving your phone number to the owner of the 68 Z ragtop after you spouted off the prospective selling price in public which was either a lucky guess or you heard it from the one person I mentioned it to off line who I considered a friend. Are you ever going to start minding your own affairs or is your life so boring you would have nothing to talk about. Do as you wish, just stay out of my business, for the better of all...
Motown http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif

[YENKO DEUCE REGISTRY]

Yada, Yada! Same old stuff there Matty boy!

A lucky guess? You saved me grief? This supercar world is a lot smaller than you think. Don't ever make assumptions about who/what somebody else does/does not know.

If you don't like the replies that you receive, then stop posting your 'personal' business on this board.

I went racing in my Yenko this past weekend, how's that for boring?

[Salvatore]

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/burnout.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/3gears.gifhttp://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif

[MotownMadman]

Marlin,
Once an A$$ always an A$$. Is it comforting to know that I was standing within three feet of you a few weeks back and you were clueless.
Motown

[YENKO DEUCE REGISTRY]

Sure you were! Don't be braggin about your anatomy now, this isn't that kind of site.

Go back to opening your sealed bids on a car you don't own http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/haha.gif

[Belair62]

Put a lid on it you guys ! http://www.ls1.com/forums/images/smilies/duel.gif

[Born30YrsLate]

Are you two married???.... http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif..just kiddin' http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[JoeG]

I'll cover your back---- http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif http://www.yenko.net/attachments/91151-zorro.jpg

[DarrenX33]

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/haha.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/haha.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/haha.gif

[KLONECO]

BOY OH BOY!!!...................I WOULD LOVE TO DANCE !! but my classes are almost finished! (aren't you proud!)


what a waste of $$$$!!!! LOL http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif

[YENKO DEUCE REGISTRY]

yea but... http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif

[MikeA]

I'm glad you understood that post! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

[rich p]

WOW !! What a topic. I have close to 3,ooo e-mails since january 2004 on muscle cars. You want to talk about wasting time( this is why the collectors hire me),I get tire kickers and picture collectors everyday! I'm sorry that sometimes I get a call from a real buyer and I have a little attitude, becuase 10 calls before him were a-holes. I lost some nice cliets im sure this way or when you don't give a vin # or owners phone # after two minutes on the phone. I try to select the right buyer for the seller.
I'm sure I have worked with about 10+ or more of these type of guys who want a serious Muscle car(200K + dollars) and even tie the car up for weeks to find out the buyer is not buying and then lose the car to a real buyer, who is not kicking tires.I loose !! This is ALL part of the job as they say !! High profile car broker. Believe me its a kick in the head but like they say: Climb back on the horse and try again. It really stinks to put all your time into these people but it comes with the turf.Then I put a killer deal together for some lucky clients and I know why I do what I do. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gifPlease call me if you still have a list of rare cars, I might have real buyers for some of those cars you thought you were wasting your time on !!! Always looking for Rare Muscle cars

[MotownMadman]

Rich,
I am glad you can understand the importance of this topic, many people really are not aware what an agent can go through trying to do an effective professional job so that both buyer and seller are pleased, as well as all the BS cars out there not ending up a dissapointment for someone. While many here are old pros at this hobby, many are also relative newcomers who should have the protection of 35 years of muscle car knowledge to aid in a purchase or sale which in this day and age the financial aspect has surpassed what many real estate agents handle. If I put together a deal I also accept and warranty the authenticity of the car and it's componants taking full liability for any mistakes to be discovered later on the car. As anyone here would know, that is a very time consuming research situation which becomes what I call an enterance into "The Red Zone" after finding out the so called buyer was nothing but BS with no intention of buying anything more then a die cast collection rather then the real thing. I was asked to put together a list of fifteen cars to start, with more to follow. I had the list together in three weeks including owner history on most. The following is a list of what I had assembled:

1 - 68 Z-28 Soft Top
2 - 70 Hemi Cuda Soft Top
3 - 69 Baldwin Camaro
4 - 69 Yenko Nova
5 - 69 Trans Am Soft Top and HT pair
6 - 70 Hemi Cuda 44 miles
7 - 70 Chevelle LS6 Soft top
8 - 68 Hemi Dart
9 - 67 Z-28
10 - 70 Hemi Challenger Talladega Pace Car
11 - 70 Plum Cuda 440 Six Pack
12 - Baldwin Motion Corvette
13 - 70 Hemi Coronet RT soft top
14 - #1 Harrell ZL1
15 - 1968 Hurst Olds
These are all top flight cars, many of which were not even being considered for sale. No doubt these would have been an impressive collection to go from ground zero. Some may still be available, some not. A situation as this just makes it bad for the honest serious buyer or seller, it is beyond me why someone would just waste their time and mine playing wanna be car collector.
Thanks,
Motown http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[Jeff H]

The biggest waste is that the owners of those cars may be offended by what happened and decide not to sell them now regardless of price. Stupid stunts like that will just damage the collector car market. I just don't get it.

[MotownMadman]

Jeff,
You hit the nail on the head exactly. The sellers involved in cars of this caliber are certainly not having financial hardships, so time is spent by the broker presueding the owner to sell, then comes a month of the buyer will be in town on this day or that, the seller is trying to plan his daily life around the supposed arrival, then the end result becomes a month of lies and excuses so that the sellers who didnt need to sell in the first place have been left with such a bad feeling over the whole thing that it becomes unlikely that another opportunity to buy a certain car will be a long time off, if ever, and higher priced as there is no wish to have to go through a month of aggrevation again. The broker ends up with a $1000 phone bill as the wanna be buyer is across the border in another country, as well as the distance locations of the cars for sale, and worse yet through no fault of the broker he ends up looking like the bad guy because he had faith in someone with a convincing story. Therefore, as Rich P. said, along comes a true client and the broker is no longer as courteous as before because another blow to faith in honor has taken it's toll. I have not mentioned this persons name publicaly as that would bring me to his cheesy level, along with legal issues, but anyone who has an interest and wants to be sure they are not being led down the proverbial garden path can contact me by phone or Email for further details. The whole situation has a domino effect that in one way or another hurts all the honorable collectors and enthusiests in this hobby. What goes around comes around.
Motown http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif

[Belair62]

Is that list exclusively yours or is it like out of Hemmings or something...Do the owners know you are brokering them ?

[gemleeus]

wow, that was cold

[Belair62]

It's a valid question Gem...I just wonder if these types of things are exclusive to a broker...Rich also has a list....do brokers beat the bushes to "list" things ?

[DarrenX33]

There are a few cars on that list that I would think couldn't be touched. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif Pretty amazing to me if they actually sold.

[MotownMadman]

As far as I know, the cars on that list are still available, Bel Air, you know I cant read so they are not out of hemmings, they are from multiple private collections. Any interest in a specific car contact me by PM or Email.
Motown http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/BelairSucks.gif

[camarojoe]

I think what belair is asking is, are you personally hired by the owners of these cars to represent/broker them, or are these just cars you know are for sale?

[DjD]

From what I've read, Matt contacted car owners and told them he had a buyer and asked them if they wanted sell and maybe talked them into selling. Now Matt isn't happy the buyer isn't interested.

I have never delt with an auto broker but have for realestate. If you are going to be a broker, you have to deal with not getting paid directly for a lot of the footwork you do. The payoff is structured such that when you make a sale the commision covers all the efforts prior to that point. If you can't accept the fact that not everyone that you come in contact with will result in a sale and you feel the effort was for nothing you need to get out of sales and get a job that pays by the hour. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif

[70 copo]

DJD

Sorry but I have to respectfuly disagree: Did you ever hear the term "no body rides for free"? If a collector has the $$ to pony up for a search to be conducted for Big dollar cars- then He/She better have the Dollars to back the cost of the search. Your theory will work for items that are currently inventoried (dealer trades New/used or common used cars) but a list of high dollar super cars - I think not.

If anyone on this board will locate an entire list of high value supercars cars at risk (your expence) please let all of us know! You will save everyone here time and frustration. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif

[MotownMadman]

Joe,
The situation varies based on if a client wants to sell or buy. A seller will personally contract a broker to sell their car, just as in real estate. A buyer will hire a broker to locate a certain make, model, etc, in that case the success of a broker is based upon his knowledge of the collections, collectors, and even owners of a sole individual car, such as the Hemi Dart on the list which belongs to a friend who has owned it since 1970. A good broker will also be knowledgable in the industry to make certain his buyer is getting a legitimite car that has been restored or repaired correctly, some such as myself will even go as far as to accept liability for the authenticity of the car, and also do exhaustive research on owner history, accident history, etc, etc. The brokerage fee is always discussed and agreed upon in advance, as to who will be paying the fee, the buyer, seller, or both. On most occasions a retainer is paid in advance unless the broker feels comfortable enough with the clients not to require the advance fee. Dennis, as with any service industry their are no guarantees that a particular car will be sold by the broker, or a particular car located by the broker, in which case there will normally be no charge. However, if the broker fullfills the request of the client, such as the sale of a high end car, or the location and negotiations of one or more sought after cars, the broker should certainly be paid. You buy stock, you use a broker, you buy real estate, you use an agent, and on and on. If you choose not to do so and light out on your own to buy or sell, then you find out you were cheated on price or sold a fake car....well shame on you for not using a professional that could and would have handled all the details, search, research, etc. The problem with the current situation is the so called buyer never had any intention of buying, on good faith I did not require a retainer, and six weeks of lies, games, and BS ensued which was costly to me in time and money. I have recently discovered the same individual is about three weeks into the same exact lies and games with another broker at this very moment. I have no problem with not being paid for my services should I fail in providing what may be required, but I do have a problem with wasting six weeks on someone who is merely playing games. More Food For Thought.........
MadMan http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif

[Pantera]

I would just post the bastards name and that would scuttle his little game that he is obviously playing. Reminds me of the fool that was listing his model cars and had eveybody thinking they were the real cars.

I feel that you are being foolish not letting everybody know who he is. He has obviously been given time to come through on at least one of these cars so let the bastard suffer his folly.

He came to you! Its not like you were trying to sell him something out of the blue. He has no defense. People like him need to be exposed. He owes you money for your time and he should pay up.

It just might put a stop to his game with others. At least they will be aware of him and his game. You have no danger of him coming back on you if you just tell the truth.

[Belair62]

No...I don't think you need to tell us who you are dealing with....this is a personal problem...we don't need to worry about brokers business affairs...besides...I'm sure there are 2 sides to the story...and there is no real need to hear about it on this forum.Maybe all the brokers ought to get together and form a "black list" http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/Charley.gif

[DjD]

We don't have to agree http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif ...but I feel if a broker isn't securing a contract in writing (a handshake or verbal agreement can be binding but you are setting yourself up for complications) then there is no commitment by the buyer. The deals that go down can be larger than buying a house. Look at the realestate folks and the protections put in place so deals don't go bad. I know car collectors don't want formal rules cast on them making transactions more expensive than they already are. I just think if a broker doesn't cover his butt before placing himself in the middle of a deal it's his fault if the deal goes south.

[firstgenaddict]

Unfortunately it may have come to that.
Used to be a mans word was his bond.
Well I guess we can see the character of the schiester who held up Motown. To me he deserves to be exposed. IMO

[MotownMadman]

Bel Air,
I agree and disagree with your last post. Naming the person in public I dont believe correct as it does not affect everyone here. However, it could and most likely will affest someone here in the future. As for it being a personal situation, that is not entirely correct. A personal problem is something such as you having an affair with my wife...... http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif Anything that could affect so much as even one person in this hobby is not a personal problem, it is information that can either be accepted or not....take what you want and leave the rest behind. These type of people deal with more then just brokers, they also deal with individuals. As for two sides to every story, while that may be true with many things, that is certainly not the case here, if anything I have been very conservitive with my remarks. It certainly was not a problem with me or my business tactics as Tom Clary had posted that the Z convert was available and if anyone were interested to contact him to be forwarded to the owner.None of the cars that were interested have been bought or inquired about from this so called buyer. Nor has he come forward with any explanation. While I chose not to name this person publicaly from a character standpoint it seems in the past to have been a normal practice on this site, e.g., the Alberta Yenko Cloner, Dennis Tuttle, etc, etc,. As with any hobby or business, those involved should stick together to protect one another, we are all we have to protect one another. If any of the readers here are involved in a transaction or plan to be or would like facts for their own use, contact me by Email or PM if you wish to know the details or identity. By the way Bel Air, as hard as you may have tried, my wife is not leaving me for you. She cant stand cigar smoke! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
Motown http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[Belair62]

Well Mo....I think we put some controls in place around here to keep it more civil...The guys you mentioned actually owned the cars they were selling so that would be a different situation altogether.This is a personal business deal...just keep the crap offline...and please check and see if you can find a pair of old Reeboks around the house... http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif

[MotownMadman]

Bel Air,
Them Reeboks your after, are they size 6? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
You know what they say about shoe size in relation to.......
Motown http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[Belair62]

no they are size 18.... http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/haha.gif

[MotownMadman]

Sure they are Bel Air, just like the Air in you name means your related to that NBA champ, whats his name...Air....Hmmm, what team was it you play for, Chicago BULL?
Motown http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Way too much laundry being hung-out on this post. Doesn't this kind of talk make getting together at Supercar Reunions difficult. I mean it is a small group,and you are bound to run across one another from time to time, so how do you keep the peace? I log on from time to time and this type of talk makes me uncomfortable about the club's appearance.

[csx289]

I've met a few of these guys in person, and you have evry right to be concerned about their appearance. Especially Bel Air. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif

[Belair62]

Mas...I plan on being armed.... http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/haha.gif actually if you read a lot of this stuff...most all of it is in good spirit...some of it makes for a good read ! It stays pretty civil around here....some of the other sites get pretty foul..if it gets out of hand we put a foot on it....

[JoeG]

I heard these are passed out at the Reunion and pretty much can stop anything Belair is packing---------- http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif----- http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif http://www.yenko.net/attachments/91773-vest.jpg

[Belair62]

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/haha.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/haha.gif See what I mean Mas...this Joe guy is a whacked out ex-hippie...but we love em anyway !!!

[JoeG]

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif----whacked out ex hippie?--- http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/BelairSucks.gif

[Steve_Hoog]

Isn't this BeLair? http://www.yenko.net/attachments/75649-pintowagon.jpg

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/BelairSucks.gif

[Belair62]

Man I love that Pinto http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/haha.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/haha.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/haha.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/haha.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/haha.gif

[Steve_Hoog]

That is a classic for sure BeLair, would you be interested in a trade? I have an original Huffy 20" girls bike in NOS condition I would trade for it.

[Belair62]

No thanks...I have Stingrays and Krates in my garage already....you just can't let a Pinto go for a Huffy...

[hvychev]

Wow....Huffy....I used to have one of those in the mid 80's! Was blue with those pads on the handle bars and the vertical bar that went from the seat to the bottom of the handle bars! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[Steve_Hoog]

You sure you won't trade? This thing is a sweet bike, I even have half the six pack left I'll throw in.
http://www.azalea.net/~steved/huffy.jpg

[Belair62]

Well it is a nice color.. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/haha.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/haha.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/haha.gif