Dream Car Garage's: "Muscle Car Shootout"

[GOAT72]

WEDNESDAY, Aug. 11th on Speed Channel..
The following is from Speed Channel's website:

Autorotica: Muscle Car Shootout
Muscle cars from each of the major manufacturers will battle against each other, renewing some of the old rivalries. The competitors include:

· Plymouth Hemi ‘Cuda
· Chevelle SS 454 LS6
· Mustang Mach 1 428 CJ
· Pontiac Trans Am 400
· Oldsmobile 442
· Buick GS 455 Stage 1
· AMX 390 Go Package

Performance will depend on the manufacturers’ differences as each muscle car will use the same fuel and the same brake materials as well as run on the same brand tires.
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SCHEDULE - All Times Eastern &amp; Subject To Change

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Wed, Aug 11 1:00AM

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Wed, Aug 11 9:00PM

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Fri, Aug 13 5:00PM

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[JoeG]

Now that's what I call scheduling http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif------Can I get a 7:30 wake up call tomorrow morning--------

[Mr70]

Operators are standing by......
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[JoeG]

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[hvychev]

Rick has a couple of BOYS locked in his bathroom with ball gags on.......

[Mr70]

You can't prove it...I've made sure of that. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif

[GOAT72]

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· Plymouth Hemi ‘Cuda
· Chevelle SS 454 LS6
· Mustang Mach 1 428 CJ
· Pontiac Trans Am 400
· Oldsmobile 442
· Buick GS 455 Stage 1
· AMX 390 Go Package
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<font color="red"> So.... which car is going to win?
I'm going with the GS Stage 1.
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[SS427]

Now that he can post pictures with his new computer hardware, we are REALLY in trouble. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/haha.gif

[Mr70]

I agree Mac.
Either the GS 1,or the Hemi.

[YENKO DEUCE REGISTRY]

I vote GS

[Bill Pritchard]

This race will undoubtedly start another Firestorm of Controversy like the original Lasseter vs. Badie (GS vs. Hemi) race in that Muscle Car magazine many years ago http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif

[PPPJJJFFF]

Being an E-body Hemi guy, I'm partial to the Hemi. Atleast in 2 of the categories it should represent it self well. However, each car should have their strengths and weaknesses. I'm sure. Patrick http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

[Canucklehead]

I'll take the Chevelle as the overall winner!! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif

[69_BM_LS7]

Speed Channel does not have the cars listed correctly. They should be LS6 Chevelle,AMX,GTO Judge, Hemi Challenger,Hurst Olds,Boss 429 and Stage 1 Buick.

[SS427]

I should never admit to this but I have a feeling the Buick will come out on top. We shall see. Obviously I would much rather have the LS-6 win overall. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/burnout.gif

[GOAT72]

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I'll take the Chevelle as the overall winner!! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif

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I would bet on the LS6 too, but I think the handling and braking are gonna be too strong of a factor, so I'm thinking the GS Stage 1 overall.

Same with the Hemi - acceleration will be a huge factor, but the handling characteristics of the 'Cuda might hold it back.

This is all speculation, of course. But let's see what other's here think...
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Mac

[GOAT72]

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Speed Channel does not have the cars listed correctly. They should be LS6 Chevelle,AMX,GTO Judge, Hemi Challenger,Hurst Olds,Boss 429 and Stage 1 Buick.

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You're absolutely right.
I went to the Dream Car Garage website and it said the following:


The Muscle Car Shootout is a one hour special that will put factory stock versions of these legendary cars through a series of tests designed to reveal their strengths and weaknesses.

The stars of the special are line up of the muscle car eras heavy hitters:



1969 AMX 390 GO PACKAGE

1970 BUICK GS 455 STAGE 1

1970 HEMI CHALLENGER

1970 CHEVELLE SS 454 LS6

1969 MUSTANG BOSS 429

1969 HURST OLDSMOBILE

1969 PONTIAC GTO JUDGE



The shootout will involve five individual tests. Braking and handling will be just as important as straight line acceleration. The test parameters are as follows:



0-60 mph acceleration

Standing ¼ mile

60-0 mph braking test

Slalom handling test

Burn out contest



Points will be given for each test, seven points for the fastest time down to one for the slowest. All tests are weighted equally; the winner is the car with the most points. The burn out contest will be the wild card, creating a never before seen test.
The shootout will attempt to equalize the variables as much as possible. All cars ran on the same tires, using the same fuel and the same brake materials, so that performance is judged strictly on manufacturer’s differences.

The test segments will be interspersed with interviews with owners and industry experts and some cool vintage footage. Peter will be doing the driving and Tom will narrate the special.
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[Turbo_Jet]

Sounds like a neat idea! I'll be sure to catch this one.

[JLP]

Don't like the burnout as it is very subjective and saw where a couple of years ago the left tire blew and did quite a bit of damage to the wheel well opening, trim and quarter panel. Don't think I would want to participate in that part of it.

But what do I know. Check attachment. This was early '70's and it was just a 4bbl/at car with 3:90 gears.

[SmallHurst]

Call me silly, but the H/O might have a shot! Looking at the different events, you know that the Hemi is going to suck on the cones and braking. The AMC might shock more than a few people. The Boss 429 has to be in proper tune (as they all do). And of the GM 'A' bodies, who else had a rear stabilizer bar? It will be interesting whose cars they are using for this event. As we all know, if the cars have been trailer queens all of the time, they are not going to like being flogged. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/burnout.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/3gears.gif

[GOAT72]

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Call me silly, but the H/O might have a shot! Looking at the different events, you know that the Hemi is going to suck on the cones and braking. The AMC might shock more than a few people. The Boss 429 has to be in proper tune (as they all do). And of the GM 'A' bodies, who else had a rear stabilizer bar? It will be interesting whose cars they are using for this event. As we all know, if the cars have been trailer queens all of the time, they are not going to like being flogged. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/burnout.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/3gears.gif

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The Judge had the fatest rear bar GM made in '69 (as I recall). Sure the H/O has a shot. But I owned a '70 4-4-2, 455 and it was heavier than any Goat or SS I've driven.

I'd prefer to see any of the A-bods win!
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Mac

[PPPJJJFFF]

Still partial to the Hemi but I'm also realistic. The braking and slalom results will probably be disapointing. I hope the cars are equipped for a fair comparison. Rears, 4-speed or automatic and I don't know anything about the drivers. Patrick http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/no.gif

[Chevy454]

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And of the GM 'A' bodies, who else had a rear stabilizer bar?

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In '69 you could get a rear bar on the Chevy a-bodies via F41...it was rare (in the 700s I believe), but it was available. In '70 it (F41) became standard on the SS package I believe.

[GTO_DON]

No gto's had a rear sway bar in 69......70 was the first year.

[supergonzo]

Have pure stock versions of the following cars, I run them all in Pure Stock configuration, with electronic (pertronix) ignition being the only changes, and timing,,,,,except for the Chevelle I still own them all.

This is what they have run in the past 2 years.

70' Chevelle LS6 454 best time 13.27@104 4100lbs
69' Pontiac Judge RAIV 13.10@105 3900lbs
70' Buick GSX 455 Stage 1 13.34@104 3950lbs
68' Ford Mustang 428 Cobra Jet 13.06@103 3600lbs

Weights are with me in them.
As for the show:

The Fastest Pontiac would NOT be a 69' Judge, but a 69 Firebird and with a 400 RAIV, this car weighs 300lb less than a Judge and has vastly superior exhaust manifolds, due to the engine being in a different frame.
Another Top Contender would be a 73' 455SD Trans AM, these haul as* and are without question one of top 5 fastest pure stockers.

There is a HUGE difference in performance between standard GTO D-port heads and round port RAII,RAIV,SD heads. If the Judge on the show doesn't have a RAIV it will have zero chance of competing well.

The 68 1/2 428CJ Mustangs weighed 150-200lbs less then the 69' CJ models, and therefore are a couple of tenths quicker.These were probably the fastest Ford muscle cars, other than a razor sharp tuned BOSS 429.

Who will win the ET sections??...which ever car happens to respond best to the weather at the time, and is tuned the sharpest, and hooks the best. I think they all are within a few tenths of one another under ideal conditions. (which of course is extremely rare)

The Ford BOSS 429 like the Mopar Hemi, either will run fantastic if tuned properly, or will be a dissapointment. But if either one of those Hemi's runs near their potential: Everybody else goes home a loser.

[GOAT72]

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No gto's had a rear sway bar in 69......70 was the first year.

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I stand corrected, Don.
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I remembered that Delorean left in '69, and the first thing the new GM (McDonald)? did to the GTO was sway bars.
But it stands to reason that it was probably for the '70 GTO -not the '69.
This means the H/O really DOES stand a better chance!
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Mac

[GOAT72]

Speed Channel 9PM (EST)

Don't miss it!
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Mac