1970 Charger R/T Questions

[rickp]

My partner and I, recently aquired a 1970 440 R/T 4sp. car. The car has a 750 Holley carb which I assume is incorrect (E86 code engine), but yesterday at a car show I saw a 1970 "383" Road Runner - 4sp. car, which had a 650 Holley, that the owner was sure is correct. I'm not a Mopar expert, but I believe both cars came with Carter AVS carbs. Another question I have is our Charger has power drum brakes and the code B51 on the trim tag, which according to info I have equates to power assist disc brakes. One last thing, this car has hood pins which I also do not think it came with, but I noticed the Banna Yellow Hemi Charger in Musclecar Enthusist had hood pins.
Any thoughts would be appreciated.

[GTO_DON]

Is this the b5 blue car from the chestnut hill area?? original owner?

[njsteve]

Comparing a 383 to a 440 is like comparing a 396/325 to a 427/425. Different motors, different intakes, different carbs. Some 383's used a Holley. The 440's used a Carter AFB. Hood pins (code J45) were an option on the 70 Chargers. If the car had PDB it would be coded B41 for disc and B51 for power assist on the broadcast sheet but not necessarily on the fender tag (My car has "B51" listed on the tag but it is a Super Track Pac car which included the B41 Disc brakes with the 4.10 gears). Either way, power
4-wheel drums sounds fishy to me. Should be manual drums or power front disc with rear drums. If it is an original 4 speed car it should also have a Dana rear. If you PM or email me the fender tag or broadcast sheet I can be tell you what the car is/was/should be. -NJSteve

[rickp]

In my recent travels, I have seen several H.P Mopars of this era with manual or power disc brakes, but none with power drum. I am fairly certain that this car is all original except for the carb. Yes it does have the Dana 60 rear, as you will detect on the fender tag. I do have the broadcast sheet and I will enter the fender tag data here.

26 END
J25 M21 M25 M31 R11 V8W
V1W A33 B51 C21 C55 G33
EB7 C6B5 EB5 917 007876
E86 D21 XS29 UOG 125126

thanks for your help, Rick

[rickp]

You're close - Germantown, but it sounds like you are familiar with the car.

[rickp]

As an additional follow up to the 440/375H.P Magnum Engine, my original question assumed we were only talking about the 440 or 383 Magnum engines (1 4bbl), not trips, 2 bbls. or pass, 4bbl engines. Another words the Magnum 440 or 383 engines as came in Roadrunners, R/T's, etc. I have learned a little since 1971 when I first looked at a 1969, 396 Nova SS which I initially thought had an aftermarket aluminum intake and a Holley carb. I learned at that time that Chevy produced this motor "L-78" and purchased the car with my 1962 Impala 2dr. hardtop 327/250 (small Rochester 4bbl carb)in trade. I still have great memories of the Nova 30 years after I sold it for $1500 in 1974, in excellent condition. In reguard to the power drum brakes on this Charger, it appears this set up is probably very rare. Why someone would opt for power drum brakes and not go the extra mile for power disc brakes is curious.

thanks for your help, Rick

[Pantera]

disk brakes were too new back then and not everybody had a good experience with them. I bet his buddy had problems with a set on another car so when he ordered his he opted for the power Drum brakes.

Remember back then "New" technogly was not as desirable as it is today.

[budnate]

last 2 cents a lot of the guys in the know back then went with drums for less drag if they were going to run the car at the track.

[njsteve]

[quote
26 END
J25 M21 M25 M31 R11 V8W
V1W A33 B51 C21 C55 G33
EB7 C6B5 EB5 917 007876
E86 D21 XS29 UOG 125126


[/ QUOTE ]
26 = 26 inch radiator
END = end of tag sequence, begin next tag as follows
J25 = 3 speed wipers
M21 = Drip rail moldings
M25 = body sill moldings
M31 = body belt moldings
R11 = AM radio
V8W = White transverse stripe (not bumble bee stripe)
V1W = White vinyl top
A33 = Track Pak with 3.54 Dana rear
B51 = Power brakes
C21 = front "buddy" seat with fold down armrest
C55 = bucket seats
G33 = remote chrome left hand mirror
EB7 = Dark Blue
C6B5 = Blue vinyl interior
EB5 = blue door frame color
917 = Sept 17, 1969 build date
007876 = Vehicle order number
E86 = 440 4bbl Magnum 375 horsepower
D21 = 4 speed manual 18 spline
XS29 = Charger R/T
U = 440 4bbl
O = 1970
G = St. Louis assembly plant (the only plant that built 1970 Chargers)
125126 = VIN sequence number, the 25,126 car built (they always start with 1, i.e. the first car built is #100000)

I need to see line #6 on your broadcast sheet to answer the disc brake question. The A34 Super Track Pak included the power disc with the 4.10 Dana rear. The A33 Track Pak with 3.54 Dana rear may have had the same power disc option included in it. Give me more data and I can give you more answers. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/scholar.gif Hope this helps, NJSteve

[Norm reynolds]

The correct carb for that R/T is a carter Avs 750 cfm
I never seen one from the factory with a holley
only on the six packs

[njsteve]

You're right about the AVS. I had a dislexia attack and called it an AFB (Hemi on the brain) -NJSteve

[rickp]

Steve:
Line 6 on the broadcast sheet has a #73 under the first column A(Combo Groups) but nothing listed under the two B- Brakes columns. I also see a #16 in the carb column. The wheels column has a # 16 also. Would this be the Magnum 500's? They are currently on the car. I also see in column 4 a #22 listed under front brake, 013 under the axle column, also on line 4. Trans = 637, Pin = 27, P/Shaft = 792.

thanks for your help

[Bruce]

Rich
A73 is Special value package, 16 for the wheels is standard 14x6 painted with dog dish hubcaps,63 is the code for the magnum wheels, the codes for the rear for a dana car 084 4:10, 079 3:54, 29 is for power disc brakes, carb numbers for a 6-pack 47, hemi 00.

[Transamcuda.com]

I have several Holley 4 bbls that are specifically for 440 cars. I should be more specific in that they are for 70 E-Bodies. So I would imagine they could also be used for 70 B-Bodies. And I would also think that this code would be on the broadcast sheet and not the fender tag.

[rickp]

Note: This is the wrong broadcast sheet even though it was in the rear seat.