Motion book

[sYc]

Marty Schorr, who is doing a book about Motion Performance, sent me the followng question. Anyone ???

<font color="red"> In 1970 I photographed a plain
jane (it may have been dark blue or green, no stripes) 1969 427 Camaro (not SS
or RS) with a bench seat, column shift auto trans being transformed into a
Phase III Camaro at Motion. It was a customer-owned car and the owner was Marc
Cohen. Car had 1970 Missouri license plates. It has small Phase III stickers on
it. Rear gearing was 4.56 and Joel also installed a Hone OD. It may have even
been a COPO car that was being upgraded. Joel never did any COPO cars, but this
was a car the owner brought it. I used it to illustrate a Hone installation
in CARS magazine.
Any info about the car, Marc Cohen, etc., would be appreciated.
Many thanks,
Marty
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[Supercar_Kid]

There were no bench seats in Camaros for '69. I'd like to see the CARS article he's referencing as it may have been a '68 Camaro, which would rule out it being a COPO. It may have been a '69 as he describes, and he could have just remembered the bench seat incorrectly. I doubt anyone took buckets out to put a '67-'68 bench seat in a '69. Anyone have this Hone-O-Drive install issue of CARS, a scan of it would do wonders for the search if posted here.

[DarrenX33]

Erik- There is a guy out here that has a 69 COPO clone in Hugger Orange that sports a bench seat. Threw me for a loop cause it was the first time I saw that. Not sure if it is original to the car or not. This car was at this years Fred Gibb show.

[JChlupsa]

Some VERY VERY Early 69's did get the bench but only a handfull

[396L35]

I just heard a story last week about a Fathom Green 375hp, column shift auto, with a bench seat. He never said anything about sending it to Motion but I will ask him today when I drop off my carbs... Mark

[JoeG]

I have the article Erik---The car was a '69-----I'll dig it out and post it later---

[Supercar_Kid]

So did the car have a bench seat? I've still yet to see any documentation supporting a factory installed bench seat in a '69 Camaro. Even in an early car, wouldn't it have to have '69 only upholstery, and headrests? I've seen 67-8 Camaro bench seats with "homemade" 69 style upholstery sewn up for them, but never one that was irrefutably "original." This is certainly an interesting topic to me, but I'd like to see it backed up with some documentation.

[DarrenX33]

Erik I will write it on a napkin. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif Just kidding. Very interesting topic I was always curious about.

[Supercar_Kid]

I was thinking more like a build sheet, protect-o-plate, or original window sticker. If it was a legit option in '69, it would have to have a specific option code regardless of build date or rarity.

In '67 the "bench seat" was referred to as a "Strato-back" front seat with folding center arm rest, and was available only in a sport coupe and in specific colors. Standard upholstery 739 Blue, 756 Black, and 796 Gold. With "Custom" upholstery in 767 Black, 712 Gold, and 716 Bright Blue shown here. '67 Custom Features Note that it was available with "Strato-ease" headrests as well, which would make it very easy for a trim shop to retro fit a pair of 69 bucket seat covers to one of these bench seat frames, needing only to add the smooth, patternless center section to the seat bottom and armrest. There's your "cloned" '69 bench as seen in several undocumented cars.

In '68 the "Strato-back" seat it came in standard upholstery 718 Blue, 713 Black, and 723 Gold. With "custom" upholstery 720 Blue, 715 Black, and 727 Turquoise, and again not available in convertibles for whatever reason.

I don't want to sound like a naysaying documentation hound, but to me it's pretty obvious that these seats were well documented and accounted for as installed in 67-8 Camaros. I just haven't been able to locate any option codes, color availability, upholstery patterns, original examples, or documention of any sort even hinting at the possiblity of the 69 bench seat having ever existed.

I sure would be interested in being shown otherwise though...gotta be about the rarest '69 RPO there is if no one has a single documented example. Makes liquid tire chain seem and JL-8 like everyday items.

[68vet427]

hi
do you know when this book about "motion " that mary schoor is writing going to come out??
any info is appreciated.
thanks,
joe

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/3gears.gif

[DarrenX33]

Pulled this from CRG.

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AL4 Front Bench Seat - Optional front bench seat available in non-console cars (1967-68 only). Not available in convertible.

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[JoeC]

I remember that article and the car was a 69 and looks like a COPO Camaro. I don't remember a bench seat in it.

[JoeG]

The rules are don't kill the messenger---
O.K.--Here's one photo of the int. of that Camaro--I am scanning the others http://www.yenko.net/attachments/101605-int.jpg

[JoeG]

Sorry, I had to chop off his head---- http://www.yenko.net/attachments/101606-int2.jpg

[JoeG]

Last Photo --no mention of seats in the article---Just that a installation could be made to fit a console http://www.yenko.net/attachments/101607-int3.jpg

[JoeG]

The article says--"....The photos shown here are of an installation on Marc Cohen's PhaseIII SS-427 Camaro...."
The mag issue is Nov.'69-----------------

[resto4u]

Stinger hood with a dixco hood tach, never seen that before. Is that a motion emblem or 427 on the hood? Roger

[JoeG]

It says PHASE III---------
There are hood tachs on several Motion Cars-----

[Mark_C]

How about this.

Could never get any info as to what the trim tag said, or who has the car now (it's in either N. or S. Carolina) but it has a bench seat. Have no idea if it's original or not at this time.
http://www.yenko.net/attachments/101631-69_benchseat_interior_front.jpg

[Mark_C]

Heres the back seat of the same car.
http://www.yenko.net/attachments/101632-69_benchseat_interior_rear.jpg

[JoeG]

I guess those are the Strato-Backs-

[Motion Camaro]

[ QUOTE ]
I have the article Erik---The car was a '69-----I'll dig it out and post it later---

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<font color="blue"> http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/worship.gifDamn Joe, you are the best. </font>

[Motion Camaro]

<font color="blue">Are those 'Prowler' rear tires? </font>

[JoeG]

No Mike-- http://www.yenko.net/attachments/101789-prowler.jpg

[GM-26]

Joe,
You are the absolute best, for having any type of vintage photo!! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/worship.gif

[JoeG]

I'm just doing what everyone else on this site does--share information http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif ---Besides this is like showing home movies and you guys are a captive audience http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif------Wait I think I have some slides of the entire N.Y. Thruway-----

[Pantera]

---&gt;Wait I think I have some slides of the entire N.Y. Thruway&lt;-----


Careful I have never been there and it sounds interesting. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[Supercar_Kid]

Interesting pics Mark...I think that's the same 69 bench seat photo I remembered seeing posted somewhere here before. I'd be very curious to see what the interior trim code would be on the body tag. I'm still going to have to assume that's a 67-8 seat with a 69 deluxe style trim shop upholstery job. It would be easy to tell if it were original upholstery if you could look at the stitching, piping, vinyl material, and grain pattern in person, but in a picture one can only speculate. Interesting though for sure.

As for the "Cohen" Motion Camaro, I'm betting Marty was remembering the stark naked trans tunnell in a no console/column shift car, and simply confused it for a bench seat. That was a pretty rare/cheapie looking combo in a 69 Camaro, especially considering the highly optioned cars Marty would be used to seeing roll in and out of the Motion shop. I think he simply remembered "plain and cheap" and equated that to a bench seat, not even realizing that it was an extra cost option in a Camaro and a rare/non-existant one in a 69 car at that.

Also, that looks like a Pontiac tach to me...definitely not the shape of a Dixco housing. Motion used a lot of Pontiac tachs on their cars and simply covered the "Pontiac" lettering with a "Chevrolet" decal on the lens. There's close up pics of one in print on a DY Motion prepped 69 RS Z/28 that I'm sure Joe G can find for us. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif GM also marketed that Pontiac style hood tach as an over the counter item with an AC logo. Perhaps Motion used those as well, but I don't remember ever seeing any on Motion cars in print.

[JoeG]

Pretty nice detective work Erik----, but I won't have to dig out the photo of that Camaro unless you want to see it----I had a Mallory CD ignition on my Chevelle, and the only ( electrical)Hood Tach that would work with any reliability with the CD unit, at the time, was a GTO Hood TACH (I had a '67 GTO hood tach). You're right ,the word Pontiac was covered by " Chevrolet"----

[JoeC]

The "Phase III" decal on the hood is very interesting.
JoeG, Is this the same as one that came on your Motion Chevelle?
I have many articles on Motion cars and have not seen a "Motion" emblem on any 1969 Motion car in any 1969 photo.

[Pantera]

joe,
I am with you. I don't remember ever seeing them till 1970 I guess they could have been used very late in the 69 model year. You know for sure that Joel would have used them on the cars in the magazine articles if he had them at that time.

All I ever saw was the "SS427" impalla emblem till 1970 when the 454 came out. I think that may be why he had the Motion emblems made up.

When did he start using the Phase III decal's..?

[JoeG]

Joe --------That's the same PhaseIII decal I have-----
I didn't know they were available, when I picked up the car ,the PhaseIII decals were on the hood scoop
Larry -------you are correct about the "MOTION" emblems---As I looked around the Chevelle before driving it home, I had asked Motion,didn't they have any kind of emblem to put on the car ---I was told to come back in several months as they were getting something made up----I went back several times and finally picked up a pair the first of the year in '70.I think they got them in late '69---------

[COPO]

Did the Yellow '69 LS-7 BM Camaro have Motion emblems? I believe this car was deliverd in Feb. 70.

[JoeG]

Mixed up the dates a bit- COPO http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif------I (was told) the Motion emblems were coming in late '69 ---------In early'70 I was getting ready to go to Boot Camp----When I got back--I had the OD installed late '70 , and in '71 I picked up MOTION finned valve covers with the Motion emblems----I'd would have to look thru my old mags and see when they were first advertised.------

[Pantera]

If it is any help, My '70 Corvette GT was delivered on 1-71 and it had them on the hood by then.

[COPO]

I think I recall the Motion finned covers w/emblems were in the 69 catalog.

[JoeG]

The only finned valve covers in the '69 car catalog were Micky Thompson---so far I did see a Motion emblem in a '71 Motion Mini catalog,which had to come out in '701/2---There is a VW with a 11/'70 lic. plate---I'll dig around some more later-----Gotta head out---maybe someone can help fill in the blanks

[camarojoe]

The Cal Custom finned covers were also used in 69, but most cars retained the stock chrome covers. I don't believe the Motion emblem existed prior to the 1970 calender year.

http://www.yenko.net/attachments/102022-SCR7%20044.jpg

[Motion Camaro]

[ QUOTE ]
Joe,
You are the absolute best, for having any type of vintage photo!! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/worship.gif

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<font color="blue"> http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif I am just in awe that anyone can have that much collected information. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/worship.gif
I am also upset at myself http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif that I never really saved any of the 'stuff' I remember to have had. </font>

[hvychev]

JoeG did your Chevelle have the stock valve covers when new or the M/T's?

[JoeG]

Your right Joe, cal-custom, Edelbrock and a few others were used. In the '69 car catalog he just shows MT &amp; Edelbrock--I guess they wanted to show the performance names of the day.
I'm gonna agree with you Joe, that PROBABLY no "Motion" emblems were made available until '70 sometime.I remember asking several times ,even towards the holidays in '69, and they were still unvailable.
COPO--the closest I can backtrack the availability of those "Motion" emblems is somewhere in the 2nd half of '70,but this is not written in stone. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif
Joe, you do have a Great collection-- http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif
Hey Frank, How's the new place--
My Chevelle had the factory chrome valve covers, with a Mylar Motion Supercar Club sticker on one and a Mylar MP sticker on the other--I did manage to get a Mylar MP sticker, but haven't seen the Mylar Motion Supercar Club stickers around---Joe might have them floating around-----

[JoeC]

I'am sure Marty's Motion book will be good but I don't think he will have a lot of detail about correct retorations of the cars. When I talked to Marty and Joel they didn't seem to care a lot about small details. They said (jokingly) that me and the other Motion nuts were like Star Track fans. They thought it was funny that people were so interested in what parts were used on what date. Even when Joel restored his cars he didn't use all period correct parts. He used parts that were close but not "exactly" the same as the way a restoration "nut" would do it. For example, on the alu valve covers, they said they were sure that alu valve covers were used in the 60s. Then I asked "but was the alu valve cover with the rectangle in center used in 1969" Then they would say "well....".
I don't expect someone to remember a small detail from 30yrs ago so dated pictures are a better source for small detail. I hope the book has some photos that were never published as they may answer some questions.

[Mr70]

Does anybody know the time frame when this book is do to become available?

[Pantera]

I asked Marty that very question

here is what he said in a email to me. =

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"Great Larry.
The book is dragging along because of interesting cars and stories popping up. Some real; some fakes. Takes lots of time. We just found a Motion Camaro in"
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This is just a little teaser for you guys. SO; Please don't ask for the rest of what he said as I don't feel like I should post it unless he himself wants it known before his book comes out.

I hope you will understand that I want to try to help Marty with his book and he has contacted me about both of my cars. His only time frame that he conveyed to me was sometime next year with all the new info he has been receiving. I wish he would share more of it with me but alas he has not. I guess we will all have to buy the book to find out "the rest of the story".

So any of you that know anything be sure to email him and let him know what you have and he may want to put it in the book. Needless to say I am doing all I can to get the truth on my '69 so that it can be in his book as a "real Motion" and not a "un documented maybe". As Marty said, it is a "Landmark Car" if it can be documented.

So I am sure all of us, will be setting on our hands waiting to see what comes out in the book. I know I am just dying to see it, but like he says, It will be even better the longer it takes, when more cars come out of the woodwork.

Pantera

[Verne_Frantz]

Rick had better let him know about his new sign he bought from some jerk who shouldn't have sold it. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif

Might even make the cover............ http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif

[MOTION1]

I thought I would post this to encourage all Motion owners and memorabilia collectors to try to help out as quickly as possible getting information to Marty Schorr.

This book will be great for the hobby.

Dan



Dan:
Sounds great. I can work with slides, prints or digital. If he wants to shoot digital what I will need is a CD burned with reproduction quality images that can be read by a PC or Mac computer.
Project is coming along slowly but surely. In order to get it right it takes time. A number of people promised to help with info and some pix of their cars and delivered nothing. Others, like yourself, have been a wonderful help. We are tracking down some interesting cars.
I'll keep you posted on progress.
Thanks again,
Marty

Martyn L. Schorr
PMPR, Inc.
988 Blvd. Of The Arts, Suite 1509
Sarasota, FL 34236

[Jeff Murphy]

I did up special print quality versions of all the Motion photos from the last Reunion. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif

[MOTION1]

Jeff,

I would like to get copies

Dan

[Jeff Murphy]

Dan, same photos as on the SCR6 CD, just juiced up for professional printing. The ones you have ought to work well enough for any non-publishing work.

But let me know...