1970 GTO Judge RAIII

[69hurstSC]

this is just a huge stab in the dark but worth a shot.
my dad is trying to research his 70 Judge and through PHS we have located the dealership that sold it new. the dealership was Charlie Cox Olds/Pontiac out of Albertville, Alabama. we have called the new dealership that bought out Cox and they have been unsuccessfull in finding any documentation. we have the car documented back to 72 where it came from Chicago to Minnesota in a dealer trade. does anyone own a Charlie Cox sold vehicle and have you been successfull in back tracking the car? i have also put an add in the classifieds in albertville's paper and no luck. maybe someone out there remembers this car. like i said, i know its a needle-in-a-haystack deal, but its all we got.
the Judge is now restored back to stock with its 26 options with the majors being.
Granada Gold, automatic, black vinyl top, AC, hood tac
thanks for listening fellow musclecar heads,
wes
(69hurstSC)

[GOAT72]

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this is just a huge stab in the dark but worth a shot.
my dad is trying to research his 70 Judge and through PHS we have located the dealership that sold it new. the dealership was Charlie Cox Olds/Pontiac out of Albertville, Alabama. we have called the new dealership that bought out Cox and they have been unsuccessfull in finding any documentation. we have the car documented back to 72 where it came from Chicago to Minnesota in a dealer trade. does anyone own a Charlie Cox sold vehicle and have you been successfull in back tracking the car? i have also put an add in the classifieds in albertville's paper and no luck. maybe someone out there remembers this car. like i said, i know its a needle-in-a-haystack deal, but its all we got.
the Judge is now restored back to stock with its 26 options with the majors being.
Granada Gold, automatic, black vinyl top, AC, hood tac
thanks for listening fellow musclecar heads,
wes
(69hurstSC)

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Wes,
Join the GTO list at Ultimate GTO (http://www.ultimateGTO.com) and also the Poncho Power mailing list at "The Garage". (You'll have to Google that.) http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif

The Poncho list is extremely active and knowlegeable. You can post at the Performance Years forums too. I'll bet betwwen the 3 of 'em, you'll find someone who knows something about that car.

Mac

[firstgenaddict]

Also Performance Years has a discussion forum. PY Discussion (http://forums.performanceyears.com/6/ubb.x)

[polarwhite70judge]

This is your lucky day! Let me introduce myself as being new to this board, I have been a follower of this board for several months but I had no need to reply until I saw your post. I grew up in Albertville, AL and my dad bought several new Pontiacs at Charlie Cox. I own a 70 Polar white Judge, a Mayfair Maize 69 Judge, a 64 GTO (factory red,4 speed,original motor), a 71 Chevelle SS454 Convertible, and others. The 70 Judge you are asking about was owned by a friend of mine.I called him when I read your post and he said he got married in 1973 sold the car in 1972. He has told me about the car for years and about selling the car in the Chicago Auto Auction for $2600. He bought a 1971 Judge a few years later and still owns it today. However, the gold 70 Judge was the best car he ever owned. Now ,this is where it gets interesting, he still has the original window sticker, protect-o-plate,and all of the dealer paperwork for the car! I have seen pictures of this car from 1970(he bought it when it was 6 months old) that show body color sport mirrors on the car,he says they were on the car when he bought it, although they were supposedly not available until 1971.Are the sport mirrors still on the car?He also told me he installed a Cadillac signal seeking radio in the car.An interesting note to this story is that a local guy in town that owned a body/frame shop bought nearly all of the Judges sold at Charlie Cox Pontiac. He told me he bought 17 new Judges in the 3 years they were made.I can remember a lot of them as he played golf at the country club my dad belonged to. I would go play golf with my dad just to see what he would be driving that day.He bought the gold 70 new and also thegold 71 my friend owns now.There is one owner white 70 in town that he turned down because it came through with bench seat and column shift. Also , the guy told me when he bought the gold 70, it had been bumped in the rear end and he had to paint the decklid and put a rear bumper on it. Please reply or call me at 256- 572-4108,ask for Jace.

[Belair62]

Wow....that is good news for someone !!! Cool follow up information !!!

[DarrenX33]

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this is just a huge stab in the dark but worth a shot.

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Wes, drop everything and go to the corner and get a lottery ticket.

Unreal! Cool of you to step forward with this info Jace. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/worship.gif

[Mr70]

Wes
Are you Familiar with a Baston Chevrolet 3019 West Division St. in St.Cloud Minn.?
Someone on this site owns a car sold from there new.
Or how about a Ziebarth Chevrolet-Cadillac 413-17 first Ave.South in St James Minn.?

[69hurstSC]

WOW! miracles really do exist! this connects all the dots for my dads Judge. this board deserves so much credit for the availability made to us! thank you! can anyone believe this?!?! we have been spinning our wheels on researching this for a few years and all-of-the-sudden were unstuck! the story on this Judge goes like this.
after the dealer trade up to Chicago in 72 the car came to St. Cloud where a dealership owner gave it to his son for his first car. that owner drove the car for a few years and sold it locally were it was driven for a year or so. the owner of the judge died and the car was sold again about 20 minutes west of St. Cloud. it was driven until 1981 when it was parked. the car sat with another 70 Judge along with 4 other 70 GTO's (RAIII'a) until February of 2002 when i read an adverisement that read like this:
for sale GTO and Judges and then the phone #. the owner wanted to sell the whole lot. we scooped the Judge up along with NOS quarters, fenders, front and rear valances at a good price. it sat in my dads business's shop until its completed restoration this summer/fall.
again, thanks to everyone for there input and direction. Jace, we will be talking http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif this is so unexpected and you really should know how greatly we appreciate this.
thanks
Wes

[Bill Pritchard]

The stories on this board simply amaze me some times. How incredibly http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif Darren is right, Wes, better head down and buy a Lottery ticket or two!!!

[yellowjudge]

Great news & detective work. Does anyone out there know anything about a dealer in Westboro Mass, Ted Ware. My 70 raiv judge convert was sold there. I would love to get info, or any old dealer badge or licence frame, thanks http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/flag.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/flag.gif

[tom406]

Wow that's really neat. Since the Minnesota/GTO psychic hotline seems to be energized, I'll stick a plug in this thread to find my uncle's '70 GTO convertible red/red 455/4sp w/AC. Purchased used in '71 somewhere in the Twin Cities, titled in the names McDonough and Kimbrel until '79 or so.

(PS - If this car is sitting in a collection somewhere with its quote-unquote "original" engine, have the owner PM me and maybe I'll go edit out that comment about the 5 or 6 engines it went through during the "ME" decade. It'll be our little secret http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif)

[69hurstSC]

well, here is the final word on my dads GTO Judge. we made the trip to atlanta to watch the nascar race and on the following sunday we drove up to Albertville, AL where we met the prior owner. what a great guy and a true fan of the musclecar! the paper work on the car (protect-o-plate), original build sheet, and dealer papers are now reunited with the car! the prior owner said it belonged with the car, AT NO CHARGE! only a handshake and the agreement that if my dad ever sells the car he is first on the list. we found out the car has had 3 owners in Alabama alone with this man being the 3rd. it was originally purchased by bill simpson who owned it briefly. again, thanks to the board for there help and thanks to polarwhite70judge for coming through in a big way!
69hurstsc

[Bill Pritchard]

Absolutely makes my day to know there are still some mighty fine people out there in this world http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/worship.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/flag.gif

Thanks for the incredible story http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif

[69hurstSC]

I know it's been the better part of a decade since I last posted about this, but I figured it needed to be wrapped in a bow. The car was sold about 5 years ago at the onset of the recession. I was able to follow ownership of it up until about 2 years ago. Here are the before and after images of the Judge. The car went on to win "Best Judge" at the Land O Lakes Muscle Car Classic.

http://i57.tinypic.com/9ut5kz.jpg

http://i58.tinypic.com/sl3ber.jpg

[flyingn]

nice restoration...

[69hurstSC]

With the housing crash dad had to sell in 2010. Since then, it's passed through at least 4 hands, sadly. Last I heard it crossed the auction block in Houston at MECUM 2013. I reached out to the auction house to see if the current owner would be interested in the history of the car but was told that the don't allow contact between parties.

[fsc66]

I have a pad of NOS invoices from Ziebarth Chevrolet and a book full of NOS receipts from the same.

Paul Winvoices

[Postsedan]

It's great to have had the sYc site as long as we have......it is a huge help to all <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/flag.gif

Dan