We need a new forum section for Ebay discussions

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What does everyone think? I think this main forum should be only for the discussion of Chevy musclecars and supercars or things pertaining to them. I think there should be a new section for general discussion about Ebay and the various scams.

I do enjoy reading about what is going on on Ebay and things to watch for when buying and selling but I think this section should be all about the cars, car stories, car questions, cars found in barns, etc.....

Bill O'Brien

[GOAT72]

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What does everyone think? I think this main forum should be only for the discussion of Chevy musclecars and supercars or things pertaining to them. I think there should be a new section for general discussion about Ebay and the various scams.

I do enjoy reading about what is going on on Ebay and things to watch for when buying and selling but I think this section should be all about the cars, car stories, car questions, cars found in barns, etc.....

Bill O'Brien

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I agree with Bill and it ain't because I'm a fellow Irishman.
Maybe a forum simply titled: "Buyer Beware" or "eBay Scams and other Fraud".

[camarojoe]

I'll go out on a limb here and say I DON'T think we need a special "ebay scam" section. 99.9 percent of these scams are so blatant its not even a question of if the auction is real or fake, and the auctions are usually pulled within 24 hours anyhow. If someone truly isn't sure, they should be more than welcome to ask within the general discussion area, but as for a special section devoted to this kind of thing, I don't see the need. JMO.

[427TJ]

I think what's needed is less complaining about eBay and more understanding of how capitalism works. Complaining about eBay is a waste of energy and a separate forum really isn't necessary--in my humble opinion. The "lounge" and "for sale" sections already exist for eBay discussion.

EBay is simply capitalism at its finest! Winners and losers, happiness and sadness, excitement and anger, too much money and not enough money, low prices and high prices, superb timing and poor timing, honesty and dishonesty, success and failure.

People <font color="red">hate</font> eBay (capitalism) because someone else is making money.

People <font color="green">love</font> eBay (capitalism) because they are making money.

I've won and lost on eBay and will continue to do so. Sure, there are crooks on eBay but there are crooks at swap meets, in classified ads, etc., etc. For the 100th time: Buyer beware.

[396L35]

I agree with Joe, this is a web site for general discusion about supercars not about ebay scams. If you feel that you need to post something that you are not sure about or know is a scam this would be the perfect forum for that reason. Mark http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[Jeff H]

Ebay really has nothing to do with it. The subject really comes down to proving someone actually has a car they claim to have for sale, and if the car is truly what they claim it to be. I see nothing wrong with people asking about a car for sale. With all the fake p-o-p, trim tag and window stickers going around, it helps to have others more knowledgeable look at stuff and help offer an opinion. I applaud anyone that offers assistance in evaluating a car. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[Mr70]

I agree,but I don't think a seperate forum for this is necessary.Continue asking in this forum,just put EBAY in the topic title.

[Canucklehead]

i already brought this subject up a few weeks ago!!

[All American Racer]

I was thinking the same thing Canuck. Maybe after the "cars for sale" and "parts for sale" /ebay could be added. I don't think we need an ebay gripe section but I do think we need somewhere to condense all the ebay stuff; Just to keep the boards neat. JMHO, Marc

[GOAT72]

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I agree,but I don't think a seperate forum for this is necessary.Continue asking in this forum,just put EBAY in the topic title.

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Rick,
I normally agree with your opinions, but on this one I believe it wouldn't hurt to put a eBay sales 'n scams forum down below at the bottom of the other forums. What would it hurt?

I think a NEW member -especially a kid who loves musclecars - might benefit from reading archived posts and would know what to look for.

We all take for granted what we "already know" about our favorite makes &amp; models, but I seem to remember a kid who installed THRUSH mufflers on his first GTO and maxed-out the air in his Gabriel Air Shocks - causing passengers to slide forward at every stop sign. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif

That kid was clueless. That kid was ME.
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The world is a much nastier place now than it was in 1974. Let's ensure that kids breaking into the hobby gain the benefit of EVERYTHING we've learned -- including smart purchases.

If it gets no attention it can always be deleted. Uhhh.... right?
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Mac

[All American Racer]

You'd also have to feel for the poor blue-collar guy who saves and saves and puts his deposit down on Chief Red Breast's Yenko only to lose it. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif

[NCGuy68]

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I was thinking the same thing Canuck. Maybe after the "cars for sale" and "parts for sale" /ebay could be added. I don't think we need an ebay gripe section but I do think we need somewhere to condense all the ebay stuff; Just to keep the boards neat. JMHO, Marc

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Amen!

No need to clutter-up the forums with Ebay. Create a seperate forum for those who want to wallow around in the Ebay non-sense.

Lets keep this board open and honest.

[copo9566aa]

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What does everyone think? I think this main forum should be only for the discussion of Chevy musclecars and supercars or things pertaining to them. I think there should be a new section for general discussion about Ebay and the various scams.

I do enjoy reading about what is going on on Ebay and things to watch for when buying and selling but I think this section should be all about the cars, car stories, car questions, cars found in barns, etc.....

Bill O'Brien


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I agree 110%

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[Late BrakeU2]

Craig,I agree.The NECOA(elky owners)forum has a dedicated section for Ebay stuff and it works well.If you're not into it just pass-unlike here where it's randomly sprinkled over a half dozen topics and pretty much unavoidable.I've bought over a hundred items and never been burned bad,(good luck certainly)and got some parts that otherwise never would have had the chance through any other medium.. plus you get to see kewl cars like that 427 Kingswood wagon that went through a few days ago.

The clones and scammers are out of control,but it still has some redeeming value for me anyway.I have yet to see a high dollar GM period car on ebay go through without someone here knowing something about the correctness/and or history of it and that's strong.I almost got burned on a 70 Z on ebay couple of years ago had it not been for a kind soul on the second gen thread e/m'ing me before the end of the auction-

[hvychev]

Bottom line is that I think most members are sick of seeing E-bay scam in every other thread on this site. I am for sure one of them. No disrespect to any members that like this sort of thing... I Vote we either have a seperate forum section for them or members please stop posting EVERY ONE! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif

[GOAT72]

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I Vote we either have a seperate forum section for them or members please stop posting EVERY ONE! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif

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Frank,
I vote for a new section too, but as far as "posting EVERY ONE!" -- that would be a stretch. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif
I reported seven bogus auctions to eBay last week and 2 other sYc members and I have traded-off emails from 4 more. Plus I'm currently baiting another one. That's a dozen in the past week that weren't reported here.
The ones that are posted here seem to be the most dramatic of the scams, i.e. Yenko/COPO cars and a Ram Air IV Judge. Probably because none of us can believe that others would fall for an auction involving a completely-restored '69 Z/28 for $7K.
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I think the scam discussions will fade after awhile. After 5 baits I'm realizing how futile it is to attempt to thwart these jerks. I baited the SAME GUY 3 straight times and he's still at it - despite 3 reports to eBay and law enforcement. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbsdown.gif

But a "buyer beware" forum isn't a bad idea for ONE REASON: these scammers are always looking for a new angle, and one of these days they're gonna nail one of us, unless we are diligent in keeping up with their latest scam techniques.

My $.02... ($.03 Canadian)
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Mac
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[camarojoe]

I still say we need to scrap the idea of using an entire section of bandwidth for this "ebay scam" garbage. Why devote a whole new section to link auctions to cars everyone on this site already knew were scams? No one that frequents this website is gonna fall for these things anyhow. I've seen these other sites with a whole section of ebay ranting. If these folks think they are playing dectective and saving the day by showing us every ebay scam, then they become nearly as annoying as the scammers themselves. I agree with Frank, we don't need a link to every "Buy it Now" 5000.00 restored 69 Camaro, Nova, or Chevelle anyone finds on ebay. I don't think anyone on this board is "saved" by these posts, and as I said in an earlier post, the auctions are usually pulled before most site members even click on the link. Personally, I think if someone is dumb enough to think they can buy a Yenko Camaro by sending someone in some foreign country a deposit, and sitting on the dock to wait for their car to arrive, they deserve to lose their money. Someone said there are other sites with these forums on them, I say go post all this stuff on those sites. Let this site be used for the discussion of supercars.

[Mr70]

And I reinforce what Cjoe is saying,and also if you have ANYTHING to ask or say about something on Ebay,include EBAY into your topic title...I.E."Is this Aluminum Intake real?"-EBAY.
Then we can choose not to click it,if it is something we are not interested in participating in.
A seperate Ebay forum seems like a waste of bandwidth to me.

[jfkheat]

I think that IF there is a forum started for this type of thing, it should be an AUCTION forum. It should be for all auctions, not just Ebay. Or better yet, it should be for any item for sale that is not being sold by a member here wheather it be real or a scam.
Just my opinion.
James

[Belair62]

Instead of creating a new Forum...someone just start an Auction thread in the Lounge and keep posting them there from now on we can make it a sticky post...thats what the lounge is for anyway... http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif

[396L35]

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I think that IF there is a forum started for this type of thing, it should be an AUCTION forum. It should be for all auctions, not just Ebay. Or better yet, it should be for any item for sale that is not being sold by a member here wheather it be real or a scam.
Just my opinion.
James

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I thought there was a forum for this its called Memorabilia &amp; Parts For Sale???? I'm glad people are aware of the scams but I'm with Joe and Rick on this subject, there is no reasons to make a new forum for ebay... If you dont know post it either in the Lounge or Chevy Supercar &amp; Musclecar Discussion and someone will answer your question.. Goat I think what your doing with the ebay scammers is great, I love to read your post on how you got another one to bite.. Mark http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[Belair62]

Duh...thats even a better place...where it actually belongs !! We can still make it a sticky if we need to... http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif

[396L35]

To Goat and everyone else that is sick of these ebay scammers... Why dont you creat a fake ebay account and call yourself SCAMBUSTA and when you see these items for sale just hit the buy it now price??? I cant see why the scammer will keep posting fake items when it cost him money everytime to list something on ebay.. Plus when the person tries to contact you just ignore them and not pay. By having a separate ebay account to mess over these people you dont take the risk of a negative feedback on your main ebay name... Just thought that this would be kinda funny to do.. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/haha.gif

[GOAT72]

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To Goat and everyone else that is sick of these ebay scammers... Why dont you creat a fake ebay account and call yourself SCAMBUSTA and when you see these items for sale just hit the buy it now price??? Just thought that this would be kinda funny to do.. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/haha.gif

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The scammers don't use "BIN" in their auctions.
Instead, they include an email address and tell you to contact them with questions. The car is usually listed for a buck or two.

When you get the 1st email, they give you the "downpayment price" and tell you they'll ship when they receive it.
You just "apply the balance upon review and acceptance of the vehicle."
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But the vehicle never arrives and you're out the downpayment.

I think everyone here "has the idea" about the latest way the scam scabs are approaching eBay. If there are any new angles I'll post them. otherwise, I'll only post the completed baits when they're done in case anyone needs a good laugh.

CamJoe - while you made many good points, some of your comments hurt my feelings terribly and I cried into my pillow. I threw my mask and cape into the trash and swore to never post any scam warnings ever again.
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In return though, I'd like to say that while the classic car hobby is one of my favorite things in life (ranking just below the female anatomy), I try to look at every aspect of it - including the rip-offs, scams and price-gouging. These things are an unfortunate diversion from the hobby, but are real nonetheless. But in the end, the eBay Scam topic would have subsided, and another new topic would have become popular.

No need to accuse folks of 'trying to save the world'. Those of us who posted scams (and not every scam) were simply trying to discuss it.
FYI, there are still many guys on car lists questioning why they are being offered more than asking price on their for-sale cars by foreigners. They didn't know about the Nigerian bogus check scam.

So...
I'll conceed we posted alotta scam topics in here, but it didn't seem to be against the rules. I'da just clicked past the eBay topics if I wasn't interested.

Anyway, as I said, I'm done with posting eBay scams and will only post my completed baits.
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Mac

[copo9566aa]

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In return though, I'd like to say that while the classic car hobby is one of my favorite things in life (ranking just below the female anatomy), I try to look at every aspect of it

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[Mr70]

For Mac..
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[Belair62]

Looks like fairly bad rash down there... http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif

[NCGuy68]

Bottom line is to create a 'Sticky' in the Lounge for the Ebay stuff. Great idea Bob! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

Many members are tired of sifting through auctions in the other sections.

[55chevy]

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I still say we need to scrap the idea of using an entire section of bandwidth for this "ebay scam" garbage. Why devote a whole new section to link auctions to cars everyone on this site already knew were scams? No one that frequents this website is gonna fall for these things anyhow. I've seen these other sites with a whole section of ebay ranting. If these folks think they are playing dectective and saving the day by showing us every ebay scam, then they become nearly as annoying as the scammers themselves. I agree with Frank, we don't need a link to every "Buy it Now" 5000.00 restored 69 Camaro, Nova, or Chevelle anyone finds on ebay. I don't think anyone on this board is "saved" by these posts, and as I said in an earlier post, the auctions are usually pulled before most site members even click on the link. Personally, I think if someone is dumb enough to think they can buy a Yenko Camaro by sending someone in some foreign country a deposit, and sitting on the dock to wait for their car to arrive, they deserve to lose their money. Someone said there are other sites with these forums on them, I say go post all this stuff on those sites. Let this site be used for the discussion of supercars.

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I'm with CamaroJoe. Enough of the Ebay scam [censored]. Those of us who are Ebay-literate already know a scam when we see one. Everyone else doesn't even frequent Ebay or give a damn to. Personally I'd like to see a new SuperCar PHOTO ONLY section. Screw Ebay scams. People are stupid enough without putting a magnifying glass to it. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif

[camarojoe]

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Personally I'd like to see a new SuperCar PHOTO ONLY section.

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Now THERE'S an idea I like. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif

[55chevy]

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To Goat and everyone else that is sick of these ebay scammers... Why dont you creat a fake ebay account and call yourself SCAMBUSTA and when you see these items for sale just hit the buy it now price??? Just thought that this would be kinda funny to do.. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/haha.gif

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The scammers don't use "BIN" in their auctions.
Instead, they include an email address and tell you to contact them with questions. The car is usually listed for a buck or two.

Mac

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Then did you ever think of this? Creat a bogus account to bust scammers. Bid an ignorant ammount of $300,000 or so on the item. And let the scammer eat the cost of that from Ebay. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif This isn't rocket science..... http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif

[hvychev]

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I still say we need to scrap the idea of using an entire section of bandwidth for this "ebay scam" garbage. Why devote a whole new section to link auctions to cars everyone on this site already knew were scams? No one that frequents this website is gonna fall for these things anyhow. I've seen these other sites with a whole section of ebay ranting. If these folks think they are playing dectective and saving the day by showing us every ebay scam, then they become nearly as annoying as the scammers themselves. I agree with Frank, we don't need a link to every "Buy it Now" 5000.00 restored 69 Camaro, Nova, or Chevelle anyone finds on ebay. I don't think anyone on this board is "saved" by these posts, and as I said in an earlier post, the auctions are usually pulled before most site members even click on the link. Personally, I think if someone is dumb enough to think they can buy a Yenko Camaro by sending someone in some foreign country a deposit, and sitting on the dock to wait for their car to arrive, they deserve to lose their money. Someone said there are other sites with these forums on them, I say go post all this stuff on those sites. Let this site be used for the discussion of supercars.


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Wow Joey! I seriously could have not said it better myself! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[Belair62]

I like reading this stuff sometimes...can't hurt to keep it in the Lounge gents...&amp; ladies.

[Pantera]

you are forgetting that the Scamers have broke into someone else's account and there for, will not be charged anything they actually have to pay out of thier own pocket.

Actually some poor smuck will have to suffer the cost or spend a day or two trying to convince E-bay that thier accounts were hijacked. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbsdown.gif