Crossram on eBay

[Rick H]

Could you point me to the area in eBay where it says that statement is illegal? eBay has so many rules and regulations I can't find that area that covers that verbage. I have searched.
Would appreciate it. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

Rick

[Jeff H]

You definitely can't add extra fees. I didn't know that either and they cancelled one of my auctions.

[budnate]

on the flip side cant blame the guy for not wanting to be robbed 2.9% from PayPal on the total.. plus they hold the dough for a few days before it hits your bank....dirty rotten scoundrels.

Bud.

[GOAT72]

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Could you point me to the area in eBay where it says that statement is illegal? eBay has so many rules and regulations I can't find that area that covers that verbage. I have searched.
Would appreciate it. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

Rick

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Rick,
I don't know where it is, but here's the thread about it on the eBay boards:
http://forums.ebay.com/db1/thread.jsp?forum=20&thread=410328450&modified=1098 647571929

Scroll down to POST #14 and the lady talks about how eBay pulled her auction for charging PP fees.
A short discussion ensues up until about Post #22 or so...

Mac

[djunod]

Interesting. I just had somebody that is a member of this board here, respond to me 6 days after the auction ended that I had failed to tack on 5% to cover his PayPal fees. Figured he needed that dollar worse then I did, so I gave it to him. Now I know I should have just turned him in.

[SuperNovaSS]

That was me. Why would you "turn me in"? It is stated in the terms of my auctions that there is a 5% surcharge. I don't check every paypal payment to see if the 5% was paid most of the time; but this time I checked. Only one person included the 5% with payment. I accept paypal as a service to the buyer, I would rather get money orders. I guess I will stop accepting paypal which is a bummer for buyers since it is so convinient. So again I ask, why would you turn me in? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif


Jason

[djunod]

The way I view it is that PayPal is a great service to both the buyer and the seller. Who really wants to deal with money orders etc?

All the items that I sell on e-bay only have PayPal as the payment method. Also, I only bid on items that accept PayPal. I have absolutely no interest in running around to get a money order.

I guess this thread has been hijacked.

[Rick H]

Interesting. I have no doubt that PayPal provides a great service and it is easy. I don't have a problem with that outside ebay.
BUT, here is my reason for NOT using PayPal on Ebay auctions. Simple. eBay owns PayPal and I don't think it is fair that I or anyone else get tapped for a percentage on the item that sold on eBay and then get whacked again for receiving the payment through PayPal. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbsdown.gif
Just my opinion and thoughts. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/flag.gif

Rick H.

[scott s]

rick i agree,paypal fees are a joke they take a % from the seller that has to be absorbed by someone.When u get wacked $30 on a 800 dollar item it makes u think http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif

[GOAT72]

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That was me. Why would you "turn me in"? It is stated in the terms of my auctions that there is a 5% surcharge. I don't check every paypal payment to see if the 5% was paid most of the time; but this time I checked. Only one person included the 5% with payment. I accept paypal as a service to the buyer, I would rather get money orders. I guess I will stop accepting paypal which is a bummer for buyers since it is so convinient. So again I ask, why would you turn me in? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif
Jason

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Jason,
I don't think he'd really turn you in, but if it's against eBay's TOS, then why would you continue to tack a 5% charge on?
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Especially being that the charge is (as I understand) only 2.9%?

Here's a little tip: charge an extra 3% in your shipping/handling charge.
EBay can't sniff it out and nobody would really notice unless it was a higher-priced item.

Also remember that Western Union is up to 15-18%!
Highway robbery.
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There are alotta things that are starting to reek outa eBay. People are dumping their accounts daily.

The Buy It Now option is almost useless with the scammers clicking on every auction and mass-mailing bogus money orders outa Nigeria and Russia.
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Mac

[SuperNovaSS]

Rick,

You make a very good point. I guess it is like having to pay parking at the stadium when any of us go to a sporting event etc. The only reason I see Paypal to be an asset to the seller is the item may bring more money when that option is availible. It seems like winning bidders want their item shipped the day after paying with paypal even if it takes them a week to pay. Sometimes I have to work the day after they pay. It also takes time to find boxes etc for some larger items such as seats. It is tough to pack them ahead of time since questions are asked on specific parts of an item. Also, if the items are packed ahead of time and a bidder wins more than one item then they must all be unpacked and repacked into one box. Some bidders have a hard time understanding that. When a buyer pays with a money order it gives me at least a few days to find a box/boxes and get the item ready to ship. Charging the bidder for paypal fees seems fair to me. If a buyer wins an item for $100 or less, the 5% would be worth it considering the time to go to the post office, pay for a money order etc. But if the bidder wins a $1000 item they may want to go through the trouble of getting the money order to save the $50 fee. I think Paypal offers many more advantages to the buyer than it does for the seller and as such the buyer should pay the fee.


Jason

[djunod]

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Jason,
I don't think he'd really turn you in, but if it's against eBay's TOS, then why would you continue to tack a 5% charge on?
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Especially being that the charge is (as I understand) only 2.9%?

[/ QUOTE ]

Correct on all counts. Except, if you only have a personal account with PayPal, there are no charges at all.


[ QUOTE ]

The Buy It Now option is almost useless with the scammers clicking on every auction and mass-mailing bogus money orders outa Nigeria and Russia.
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[/ QUOTE ]

That's where only accepting PayPal as a payment method works to your benefit.

[SuperNovaSS]

You're right it is only 2.9%. I charge 5% as an arbitrary number that is easy to figure and since I think it is a service to accept paypal to begin with. I list the 5% charge in my Ebay auction listing so people know it exists before they bid. Now that I know it is against policy I will not do it.
You can only transfer a certain amount of money to have a personal account. Most, if not all sellers get charged the 2.9% plus 30 cents. I have trouble understanding how any winning bidder could be upset about a charge that was stated before they bid and included in the EBay invoice. Further more, it seems absurd for a winnign bidder to be upset at me for asking for the 5% that was never paid to begin with, no matter how long it was after the payment was made.


Jason

[Rick H]

Jason,
That is exactly why I do not use PayPal and prefer money orders. Saves me from getting hit twice on an auction using PayPal, gives me some time to get the package ready and I don't have to charge anything extra to the buyer to cover the ridiculous combination of eBay/PayPal fees.
I would also think that the buyer would appreciate not having to pay anything extra and those of us who ask for money orders also understand that it might take a few days to get the money order sent out and have no problems with it.
I guess you could also look at it another way in that if the buyer insisted on paying through PayPal so he could get the item sooner then I guess he/she shouldn't have a problem paying the extra fee to get it.
Power sellers that use PayPal exclusively might not think about it too much but if they added up all of the extra fees paid to PayPal I would imagine it would be significant.
And yes, it is very buyer friendly. I can't say the same thing for the seller.
The best way not to get hit for the second fee is just not to use PayPal.
Am I thinking wrong in not wanting to pay eBay TWICE for the same item?? In my opinion, NO!


Rick H.

[camarojoe]

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There are alotta things that are starting to reek outa eBay. People are dumping their accounts daily.

Mac

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Who is dumping their ebay accounts? Fact is there are 1000's of new members signing up daily. This thread started out at least talking about crossram intakes, but now its been turned into yet another ebay/paypal gripe session that has absolutely nothing to do with supercars at all anymore. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif IMO It should be put into the lounge where its not wasting space in the general supercar discussion area.
-JB

[Unreal]

I have a house for sale........please add 6% surcharge to the total. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

The ones that irritate me on ebay are the guys who charge shipping and "handling" at two or three times the actual shipping cost.

[jfkheat]

I don't have a problem with high shipping and handling fees as long as I know what they are up front. I know how much I want to bid and have the fees calculated in.
James

[GOAT72]

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Who is dumping their ebay accounts? Fact is there are 1000's of new members signing up daily. This thread started out at least talking about crossram intakes, but now its been turned into yet another ebay/paypal gripe session that has absolutely nothing to do with supercars at all anymore. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif IMO It should be put into the lounge where its not wasting space in the general supercar discussion area.
-JB

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JB,
The discussion IS about the crossram. The guy has a charge in his auction that is against eBay's TOS.
Depending on what the CR sells for that would DIRECTLY effect the final price.
What makes it "off-topic" to you is that the word "eBay" was mentioned. In any eBay related topic you come in and complain that we're stealing valuable bandwidth.

Who's leaving eBay?
Read their discussion boards. Go to Yahoo Groups and see how many anti-eBay discussion forums have formed.
How do YOU know they are getting 1000's of sign-ups every day?

I DO know that overstock.com (http://www.overstock.com) has had over 30,000 sign-ups in the past month since they announced they were going to target eBay's dissatisfied sellers and buyers.

They are advertising this on TV and radio and are trying to capitalize on eBay's apathetic approach to members who have been scammed or phished.

How is this thread "wasting space"? Are we running out? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif
If you don't like the thread, don't read it.

We all make donations to this forum, just like you, and have a right to discuss things - especially if they pertain to the original post -- without being censored by you.

We have moderators here who can bump threads around if warranted and last time I checked... you weren't one.

I promise to never tell you what or how to post and I'd appreciate the same courtesy.
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[Big Block Bill]

My thoughts exactly.

Bill

[Mark_C]

I bought a Hot LT4 roller cam off of Ebay from someone in Las Vegas, NV using Paypal, and thankfully using my CC. The stiff sent me his old LG4 cam that he took out of the car in the LT4 roller tube, and then tried to tell me he got the cam from a friend and didn't realize it was the wrong one, yada yada yada. I gave him 29 days to resolve it then reported him to Ebay, and Paypal. Ebay never said anything about the fraud report, Paypal essentially said he sent you something so to bad there is nothing they could do. Called my CC company sent them pictures of what he sent, what he was supposed to send, etc. and they reversed the charges on Paypal. About a day after that happened I get emails from Paypal asking what they could do to help me. I sent them a copy of their previous reply to me and told them good luck getting their money from the guy in NV. I almost always use my CC now when using PP just incase this happens again.

If I can't use Paypal, 99 times out of 100 I won't bid, it would have to be something I really wanted otherwise.

[budnate]

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If I can't use Paypal, 99 times out of 100 I won't bid, it would have to be something I really wanted otherwise.

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that is what they want us to do e bay/Paypal...the truth is guys its fair if you want to pay by Paypal that you cover the 2.9%..it sure beats running around getting a money order and then stressing if the check may get lost on the way..you get the picture...A guy puts something up for sale and is being honest and is trying to pass along some parts..do you really want him to pad shipping and handling??I hate that crap! its stupid! charge the buyer exactly to the penny what is costs to ship..pay the guy for the parts and everyone is happy...pretty simple...for the guys saying I only bid on PayPal payment auctions try selling some of your stuff and let me know how you feel once everyone takes a cut...I can almost guarantee you will be singing a different tune after you collect your money.

Bud.

[camarojoe]

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JB,
The discussion IS about the crossram.

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It is? I haven't heard mention of anything pertaining to crossrams since the beginning of page one. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif
I'm not a moderator nor do I claim to be (or want to be!), but this has been discussed before, and the people who ARE moderators have graciously provided a specific area in the lounge for all these ebay/paypal/internet scam/etc. rantings of late, and have also stated that's where they should be placed. I don't care WHAT you post, its WHERE its posted. Originally I said that I didn't think a separate section for ebay stuff was needed, but since it was added, it seemed to help get the boards back to normal for a week or so. I just wish all these ebay posts were placed in the specific lounge section where they now belong. Maybe I'm old school, but I like clicking on Supercar Discussion and actually reading discussions about Supercars. -JB

[GOAT72]

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JB,
The discussion IS about the crossram.

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It is? I haven't heard mention of anything pertaining to crossrams since the beginning of page one. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif
Originally I said that I didn't think a separate section for ebay stuff was needed, but since it was added, it seemed to help get the boards back to normal for a week or so. I just wish all these ebay posts were placed in the specific lounge section where they now belong. Maybe I'm old school, but I like clicking on Supercar Discussion and actually reading discussions about Supercars. -JB

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Joe,
All I did in that forum was point out an illegal part of the auction for the crossram. Others had questions about it and the subject took off.
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I posted answers that I could answer and not much more.

I also had a new scam-angle post that went into the Lounge - where it belonged.

I don't see where a separate forum has been created for eBay (and other) scams.
If there is one, please point it out to me, because perhaps I'm going blind.

I have a question regarding your philosophy, if you don't mind.

If a person posts a part, or car, up for auction in the Chevy Forum, and I recognize this auction as a scam, am I supposed to ignore it now and just HOPE none of our buddies gets hooked?

With your forum policing I would be hesitant to warn anyone.

If you don't think it's possible, just wait. These nasty people spend their days thinking-up new ways to beat the system, and there's always a new angle.

BTW:
If this is simply a Chevy-versus-Pontiac prejudice thing I'm going to be very disappointed in you, Joe. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif

Mac

[camarojoe]

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JB,
If this is simply a Chevy-versus-Pontiac prejudice thing I'm going to be very disappointed in you, Joe. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif

Mac

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Nope, and its nothing personal either... I just don't think ebay rantings belong in the main forums. Thanks moderators for moving the thread where it should be. As for the Chevy vs. Pontiac stuff, thats not to worry about either... as i spend more time behind the wheel of my Pontiac Grand Prix than any of my Chevys, and am actually in the process of buying another! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[GOAT72]

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Nope, and its nothing personal either... I just don't think ebay rantings belong in the main forums. Thanks moderators for moving the thread where it should be.

[/ QUOTE ]

So if I see an auction mentioned in the Chevy forum and I recognize it as a cleverly-disguised heist, I am supposed to start my warning with:

I know Joe's gonna be PO'd about this, but.... http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif
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Mac

[camarojoe]

Works for me...

[Belair62]

Relax...I moved it because it belongs in the Lounge...it went from a Crossram post but went right to e-bay scams....Joe i yu don't want to read the E-Bay stuff...you know what to do. I'll make that Scam post a sticky like I was going to but forgot. Keep the auction stuff there .

[JoeG]

Mezzanine Please----- http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

[Mr70]

I'm snary,but I detect some snarkasm.. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

[budnate]

last two cents from me..
I agree it gets old at times but as we trade more online for our parts we need to be informed on how the system works..we don't have to like it one way or another but it is here to stay so we should pay attention and learn from each other on how to safely navigate it.



now pass me a beer, Bud.

[camarojoe]

Snark you. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

[GOAT72]

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Works for me...

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Check out the new post about eBay in the new Stickie that Belair62 created!
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It seems eBay has responded to email from us guys who jack the scammers!
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[djunod]

In the real world if a store wants to accept credit cards, then they have to pay a surcharge to the credit card company. They are not allowed to pass that charge through to the customer. What is happening with PayPal is no different. It's the price of doing business.

The reality is, if you don't accept credit cards IE PayPal then you are missing out on a lot of business.

If I would have noticed that the seller was trying to tack on an additional percent for using PayPal, I would never have bid on the item. I will look for that from now on, since it appears that e-bay doesn't automatically protect the buyer from that.