1971 Huger Orange Camaro RS Z28 Immaculate EBay

[SuperNovaSS]

I just posted a 71 RS Z28 on Ebay. This is a very clean car. It is not matching numbers but is a fresh resto. Check it out:

1971 Camaro RS Z28 (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=4504225372) http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif


Jason

[Seattle Sam]

SuperNovaSS, you have 427 feedbacks on ebay! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif
That's a beautiful Camaro - It is more 1970 than 1971! Looks like a few other nice cars in your driveway too!
-Sam

[SuperNovaSS]

Yeah, I noticed that. Maybe I should block future feedback.

Jason

[MosportGreen66]

Jason... Just a quick question... Should there be a Posi-Rear sticker on the bottom of the trunk lid next to the jacking instructions sticker? I have seen some Z28s with and without that sticker. Thanks.

If only I had some left over money http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif

[SuperNovaSS]

It depends whether the car came with posi or not, it was optional. The car is sold by the way. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif


Jason

[SuperNovaSS]

My 1971 RS/Z28 Camaro you were bidding on has been placed back on Ebay. A bidder made a large offer on the car. In ends up he could not get financing to back up his offer. The car is back up on EBay and will not be ended early again. The high bidder will own the car.
Here is a link if you are still interested:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=4504817804


Good luck,


Jason

[Belair62]

[ QUOTE ]
ends up he could not get financing to back up his offer

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Another deadbeat !!! I don't know how you guys can stomach E-Bay anymore. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif

[Rick H]

In the 1971 Z/28, 3:73 posi was part of the RPO Z28 Special Performance Package. Only a separate option in other Camaro models.

[COPO427]

I dought very much that those 70 seats made it into a 71 from the factory. I'd say prove it http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/no.gif.

[Rick H]

You know I am glad someone else noticed that. Vega high back buckets are the correct seats. The whole interior is wrong right down to the 1970 steering wheel. The sill plates by the way are on the wrong side.
This statement bothers me as well.. "The car is painted Hugger Orange, a top performing color in 1971". Hugger Orange was NOT available in 1971!
The emblems are wrong for 1971. The spoiler Z28 emblem was a decal. Space saver was a 1973 option.
The whole car was built to simulate a 1970 Z/28. There is so many things wrong with the car, without supporting documents showing that this is a true 1971 Z/28 this is one car I would walk away from. There is some big money on this car right now and I hope the bidders understand what they are getting and have asked the right questions.

Rick H.

[SuperNovaSS]

The car was built to look like a 71 Z28. The original seats are still availible but the owner wanted these ones. The car is definitely best suited as a driver and a very nice one at that.


Jason

[Rick H]

I am going to disagree. From the looks, all of the 1970 items added and description the car was built to look like a 1970 Z/28.
Your auction clearly states "original early production 1970 strato-bucket seats are original". Now you just said the original seats are available.
Plus Hugger Orange is not a 1971 color.
Since you said it was built to look like a 1971 Z/28 are you saying then that it is not a real Z/28??

Rick H.

[TDW]

My 70 Z28 has a floor mounted gas pedal. Did the 71 also come from the factory with a floor mount?

[Rick H]

Plus I want to point out one other item that most people over look when looking at these cars.
The gas pedal on the 1970-71 Z/28's was mounted to the floor on a special bracket with 2 ball pivot points. The pedal was a hard rubber type simular to the full size Chevy cars.
The interior shot of the car in question clearly shows the wrong gas pedal setup. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbsdown.gif

Rick H.

Sorry Tony, I was writing while you were posting and yes 1971 had the floor mounted pedal as well. 1972 they changed to the other style in the Z.

[COPO]

The car seems to be missing both the floor mounted gas pedal and the rear bumper guards. Both of these were standard on Z-28's. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif

[Charley Lillard]

"The car was built to look like a 71 Z28." Jason. That statement and all the other indications on the car make me think you should be selling the car as a clone instead of a real Z28. It looks like a very nice car but if it sells with that description you might be looking at bad ebay feedback and just more headaches. Does it say Z28 on the trim tag ? I agree that the gas pedal should be bolted to the floor if it was a real Z28.

[Rick H]

To be honest there is a lot missing from the car to be a legit Z/28.
To bad because it's a nice looking car, just not what it is being advertised as. Shame.

Rick H.

[Rick H]

Charley,
The car is an LA car so it doesn't say Z28 on the trim tag.
I guess what we all have been saying is that the car needs to have a few disclaimers assigned to the auction.

Rick H.

[SuperNovaSS]

I posted a car for a good buddy of mine and didn't realize all of these issues. I will tell him about them and make some additions to the auction.


Jason

[Rick H]

Jason,
You're not the owner of the car? I was under the impression by your posts that the car was yours. If it's someone elses you are taking a big risk and possible negative feedback as Charley stated.

All issues aside it is a nice looking car.

Rick H.

[allcamaro]

Smack, Smack, Smack,,,, Hugggg!!

[Rick H]

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[SuperNovaSS]

No, its not my car. I understand the risk. He is a good buddy of mine. I am not as familiar with these cars as the first gens, as most aren't. It appears the car has some issues that need to be attended to. He mentioned to me he threw out the rear guards long ago since they needed replating and he didn't like them. This was in the mid 80's when correctness was not as much of an issue to my understanding. I had no idea about the floor mounted pedal. Sounds like I have some questions to ask.


Jason

[Rick H]

You might want to consider updating the auction and/or stopping it. It could save you a bunch of aggrevation later on.

Rick H.

[Astock]

A real Z would have a factory rear sway bar welded to the sub-frame.

[Rick H]

I see the auction has been updated to include the original seats, gas pedal, bracket (which I have no idea why it would be removed if the floors have never been touched) and steering wheel.
Seeing that the car was originally Classic Copper with Sandlewood interior, do you or the owner have the other original interior pieces?
Let me ask another important question. From other info I received the motor is not the original LT-1. What is the casting number off the back of the block?

Thanks.

Rick H.

[Belair62]

Important info but just curious Rick...are you/were you interested in buying it ? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif

[Rick H]

I was/am very interested in the car. Why do you ask?
I am also vey concerned that whoever buys that car, whether it be myself or someone else, gets what is advertised.

Rick H.

[Belair62]

Just curious...hope it works out....

[SuperNovaSS]

The owner of the car built the car for himself. He hated the floor mounted pedal(I can understand why) and took it out when building the car. The interior was pretty roached where he got the car and most is gone at this point. Original seats come with the car but they are black. I can understand why the car is being criticized since it looks to be a put together car. I can tell you this is a very high quality car that came to the owner as an original paint Z28. I will get the casting number off of the block and post it ASAP. I can tell you it is a 73 4 bolt main block.


Jason

[Rick H]

Jason,
Please ask the owner why the rear sway bar brackets are not welded to the frame and if he still has the original brackets.
Original rearend would be nice if he still has that.

Thanks.
Rick

[BARN FIND]

Rick,
I believe the rear sway bar was bolted on with two bolts on each side. 2nd Gen cars with rear bars had a threaded holes in the rear frame rails. The repo rails are available both ways. I might be wrong about the 71's but I have a 72 & 74 and that is how the factory bar is mounted on them.

[Rick H]

Ray,
The '70 and '71 rear sway bar upper attachement brackets are welded to the frame rails. I have a '70 Z28 project car with the brackets still attached and they are welded to the frame rails. We have a customers '71 Z in the shop and the brackets are welded on that car as well. That is the way I have seen them on the 70 and 71 Z/28 models.

Rick

[SuperNovaSS]

I talked to the owner today. The brackets are welded to the rear frame. The engine casting number is 3970010 which is a common block and is factory 4 bolt main.


Jason

[70-SS/RS-L78]

What is the redline on the tach. It appears to have the correct single big fuel line.
This stuff was probably replaced; something’s fishy about this car, Friend or not
if I were you I would wash my hands of this car and have him sell it and deal with
lawyers that will soon follow.
Mark L

[Rick H]

I have to agree with Mark and I believe that myself and a few others have pointed out some serious flaws in this supposedly Z/28. I was very interested in this car but do not believe what I have seen or told so will keep looking.

You can believe your friend or not but those sway bar brackets are absolutely NOT correct. He said he removed the floor mounted gas pedal because he didn't like it?? One of the true selling and correct features of a 1970 or 71 Z/28 and he removed it?? I just have a hard time believing that.

This is the last thing I am going to point out then bow out from this because it is obviously falling on deaf ears. The wheels shown in the pictures are also NOT correct. The wheels shown are the later versions, 1977-81. But why would that be any different?

Good luck with the sale.

Rick H.

[allcamaro]

All that for this!!!! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif Kinda like some of my old customers I dont have anymore, and glad of it.

[Rick H]

Well, I thought I was done but I wanted to post a picture of what a real upper sway bar attachement bracket looked like. This is located on a 1971 Z/28. Never been touched.

http://home.rochester.rr.com/drhoff/images1/swaybracket01.jpg


Rick

[ACES 070]

My Son flew all the way to california to look at this car,,,,, email me for details if you wish

[70 copo]

Here is a picture of a 70 mount.

Phil http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/burnout.gif

[Belair62]

Nice detail on that car Phil....

[70 copo]

Thanks Belair, It has 55,010 original miles. I finished it in 1997. I even have the dealer install paperwork for the air shocks.

Phil http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[Rick H]

Phil,
I agree, very nice detail. The rest of the car must look great as well. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif

Rick H.

[70 copo]

Rick,

Here you go... (Geoff Stunkard takes some great photos) http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/flag.gif

[Rick H]

Phil,
In a word....Beautiful. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif

Rick

[shor]

phil, was that your car at york 2 years ago in the special display section?
the tire was off and it was on a jack stand to display the suspension detail...?
real sweet...
ive got a bunch of pictures stored somewhere

[70 copo]

Chris,

No it was not me. As I recall That car is a decent full bumper non COPO car that popped up restored around 2000 (at least that is when I first noticed it)

I was doing brake detail displays with my car as early as 1997. Attached is the link to the picture of my COPO from 1999 SCR 2.

http://www.yenko.net/reunion/pbz28.jpg

Phil


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[SuperNovaSS]

So, it looks like the concensus is this car I had on Ebay is a clone from WAY back?


Jason

[70 copo]

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So, it looks like the concensus is this car I had on Ebay is a clone from WAY back?


Jason

[/ QUOTE ]

Jason,

No the car Shor was asking about was a 70 with white stripes, and has been on display in the Pa area for some time now.

Phil http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/flag.gif

[SuperNovaSS]

I understand. I was asking about the car I had on Ebay. It seems like if it has the wronf sway bar brackets its like a 69 Z or SS not having a welded exhaust plate.

Jason

[Rick H]

Jason,
There was more to it then just the sway bar. I also understand that the car was a no sale as well.

Good Luck

Rick H.

[SuperNovaSS]

Yes, it was. I'm planning on reauctioning for my friend but want to know how to list it correctly.


Jason

[TDW]

Jason...Have you seen the car in person? If not, I suggest you email Aces070 for his thoughts on the car.

[SuperNovaSS]

Yes I have.


Jason

[COPO427]

If the car is not what it's selling to be then I wouldn't be selling it for anyone. How's a lawsuit sound? I'd get my $ss outta there.

[70-SS/RS-L78]

If you think the pictures of Phils car are nice you should see it In Person.
The car is Stunning. Once Again Phil….. Nice Car!!!.
Mark L

BTW, SuperNovaSS you seem like a nice guy so if I were you I would be very
carefull about selling that car as a Real Z/28

[SuperNovaSS]

I've decided that was a mistake and after learning more with the help of you guys it will be sold as a replica.


Jason

[70-SS/RS-L78]

Good Move Jason…. That is a Great Looking car, you should have no problem selling
it. Unfortunately fraud is becoming a real big problem in this hobby and there is lot
of litigation going on due to people not doing their homework and finding out down
the road that they just spent a lot of money on the Muscle car they have been saving
for and dreaming about since collage and it turns out to be a Fake.

Good Luck
Mark L

[ACES 070]

Jason was very up front and honest,, the owner of the car was the real problem,, I do not think Jason misreped the car on purpose,, he was going on what the owner shared with him,, but,,, that doesnt make it right, we spent better than $600 between flights and rental cars to buy the car,, hopefully someone got a $600 lesson besides my Son.. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/scholar.gif

[SuperNovaSS]

I agree. I'e had to eat quite a bit on this deal as well. So much for doing a favor.


Jason

[BARN FIND]

[ QUOTE ]
Ray,
The '70 and '71 rear sway bar upper attachement brackets are welded to the frame rails. I have a '70 Z28 project car with the brackets still attached and they are welded to the frame rails. We have a customers '71 Z in the shop and the brackets are welded on that car as well. That is the way I have seen them on the 70 and 71 Z/28 models.

Rick

[/ QUOTE ]

I have learned alot from this site... I <u>THOUGHT</u> I knew alot about 2ND GEN Camaro's, but, I guess I have more to learn yet. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif I am very glad I have become part of this site.

P.S. Thanks Rick for setting me straight without making me feel like a DUMMY !

[CamarosRus]

With regards to ANY originality issue on 2nd gen Camaros, I want to remind people to come over to www.nasty.z28.com (http://www.nasty.z28.com) and find the ORIGINAL forum........
Chuck Sharin

[Belair62]

Chuck...he got everything answered right here !!! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif

[BARN FIND]

Thanks Chuck,

I registered on NASTY.

[70-SS/RS-L78]

Ray you will be glad you joined, what a great bunch of people and Camaro Enthusiasts......
Mark L