Barn filling up...shoulda built a bigger one..Doh.

[Charley Lillard]

. http://www.yenko.net/attachments/107172-11-18-04009.jpg

[Belair62]

Should have saved your money and bought a few NICE cars.

[CopoCrunkus]

Looks Great! How big is the building/barn ?

[Charley Lillard]

50' x 100'

[camarojoe]

Whats that rally Green 69 SS? Don;t recall seeing that one... is it a new addition?

[Charley Lillard]

:-)

[Born30YrsLate]

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Whats that rally Green 69 SS? Don;t recall seeing that one... is it a new addition?

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Charley - is this the same car?... Green L89 (http://adcache.collectorcartraderonline.com/10/2/8/76316428.htm)

[Steve Shauger]

Nice Grandprix you have there Charley.

[mssl72]

Would this be an appropriate time to hold up a "Charley Sucks" sign?

[budnate]

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Charley - is this the same car?... Green L89

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[J_D]

Charley.............if you don't have enough room, I would be glad to store some of them here in Iowa. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif

[resto4u]

Very nice charley! Well done.... http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/worship.gif It's always nice to have a clean room and workshop separate. Let me know if you need a personal caretaker for a inhouse restoration shop. Roger

[427TJ]

It'd be fun to back that RG '69 L89 up against the far wall and fry the tires the length of the building. The floor's probably slick enough (and the '69 powerful enough and the belted tires hard and skinny enough) to get deep into third gear (at about 5 mph) by halfway. Just spin the tires right out the door. Yep, that'd be fun.

[All American Racer]

Poor guy can't afford shovels, weed whackers, kid's toys, bicycles, lawn mowers, lawn furniture, and all the other luxuries I have in my garage. Don't worry bud, your ship will come in. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

[hugger_69]

Seems to be a common thing lately. I went to a friends place last night to look over his cars and he is also out of room. He has 11 in there and is about to build another shop to further his space. Very nice problem to have Charlie!

[Charley Lillard]

Very funny All American... My 6 car garage holds 2 cars and the other shop is filling up also. No matter how big you build you will be out of room in such a short time.

[Pantera]

I am in the planning stages of a new shop on the back of the house. I am trying to get it up to 4,000sf but may have trouble with the neighbors. One thing I am planning is to make it 2 stories tall. I can put a lot of parts upstairs and plan on having a car lift that will reach the upper level with a body or two.

I learned long ago that you can just never build one big enought. I built a 3,000 sf bodyshop bulding back in 1980 and it was not big enough quickly. Cars take up more room that you might think. That is if you want to be able to walk around them and not worry about opening the doors onto anothe car next to it. I did build it 2 stories tall and it was only cost me $4,000 more. I know it was a lot cooler in the summer with that tall roof.

I would love to hear what others have done that they would not do again? I know that I would not put skylights in the roof again! They sweat and drop water on the cars below. Buddy of mine suggested that I put them at the top of the wall just below the roof on each side.

Pantera

[budnate]

you allready know the obvious tricks but one that I saw last year was really cool and a affordable option..the guy had grabbed a lift gate off the back of a delivery truck. Grandpa bolted the track system to the outside wall...he could load up the gate run it up slide the stuff off upstairs into a hole and back down for another load when done it would fold up against the wall and stick out maybe 8" or so I was impressed as on this last garage I spent the extra money for custom rafters to have a storage area above the garage but only have one of those silly folding ladders for access.. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif

[Canucklehead]

I'm also in the process of designing a garage. I wanted to build a second floor but was wondering how to get access to it. I was watching the biker build-off shows on the discovery channel and they had Arlen Ness's new shop on it, and he has a 4 story building. He has access to every floor via a ramp on the side of the building, but that takes up more space. I thought of a car elevator inside the building, but the ramp idea seems to be more practical.

[Pantera]

Ramps are a security problem. You have to have a way to lock each level that way.

[Charley Lillard]

I had my car hoist built 1' taller with the thought of putting a second floor mezzanine in. I could then just lift the car on the hoist and drive off onto the second floor mezzanine. Then I got a deal on some bolt together mezzanine but it is about 1' taller than the hoist so I will need to build ramps but it will work.. Then I got even smarter and just built another building.......and filled my mezzanine full of car crap........

[Tim Greer]

This might be out of line for asking, so don't feel you have to answer if you don't want, but exactly what do you people do for a living, to be able to afford so many of these fine cars?

I'm 32, own a nice home, have a few cars and a '67 RS conv., earn good money, but don't own (and can't see myself being able to own) so many nice cars. Am I in the wrong line of work, not playing the stock market (or lottery) enough, or am I just a youngin' that allows my wife too much say about what I can buy? lol

[njsteve]

You still have a wife??? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif

[Denis]

Charley is a crack dealer.

[Mr70]

Not the crack we think.
http://www.jiujitsugear.com/forum/avatars/butt%20crack.jpg

[Seattle Sam]

I thought Charley had a career in animal husbandry?
http://www.bostonterriergang.com/gang_in_kitchen.jpg

(DISCLAIMER: These are not Charley's dogs...as far as I know)

[Charley Lillard]

WOW... And I thought I was in trouble having 4 of those little punks. She has 7 and a Pug... I feel better now.

[Chevy454]

Clill: is 50' wide enough room to get a car out & drive down the middle like you have them arranged?

[hugger_69]

I wish I still had this old picture I had of a car for sale that was in Newfoundland Canada. The picture had a caption that said, car to give away, very low mileage, only used in first gear and reverse. The picture was of an old 70's chev that was pictured on top of this little tiny 250' island with one house on it. I guess the guy wanted to drive from the house to the boat dock and had it ferried to this remote little island. It sure would have been a funny to post that image right now and say, hey Charlie, want another car for your collection, he's giving it away cause he needs room to build his barn behind his house. Car is taking up too much room.

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[Charley Lillard]

60' would have been better. It is tight.

[bilede]

now ya tell me, I just finished 50'

[Pantera]

I built a 50 x 60 and wish it had been wider for sure. If you come down I-44 through Tulsa give me a call and I will show you the problem with that narrow of a building in person.

You will need to angle park them in some, or else it takes too long to get them out. Otherwise you can't have any storage on the walls in front of the cars.

What ever you do, don't let anyone talk you into spray-on insulation on a steel building.

[Charley Lillard]

HeY !!!!! I was gonna see about spray on in my old barn....What is wrong with it ?

[resto4u]

I would think the spray foam ins. would get old and start leaving dust all over your cars.

[Charley Lillard]

I was thinking of spray foam and then tin the inside . The reason for the foam is it would seal up the building pretty good.

[bilede]

I was thinking foam also but here with the heat someone said there is a thermal barrier paint that would work well. anyone ever used it? the foam on roofs does start dusting off if not painted/sealed periodically.. not sure if its inside..

[resto4u]

I don't see a problem if it is covered and sealed. They use it in new houses and use a hand saw to level it with the framing and then put on there drywall. Roger

[Pantera]

On a house where you use wood framing and a plywood deck for the roof it is great.

BUT: On a metal building I have seen it happen too many times that the tempature difference between the inside and outside is too great. the inside will sweat and condense on the underside of the metal. It will cause the insulation to delaminate from the metal as it gets older and fall off in big chunks.

Seriously guys, I have seen it happen with my own eyes. It is not a thing you want to happen. Kind of like my skylights in the roof of my building. Dam things will drip when the temp difference is too great.

One of my good friends built a flat top raised seam roof on his 6,000 sf building with Tilt up concrete walls. After it was finished the supended celling was ruined by water leaks that they could never seem to find.
Two years later they finally went back to the manfacturer and raised hell with them thinking the roof was leaking through the seams somehow. The rep took one look and told them the problem was that they didn't put insulation in when the roof was installed and they would not do anything about it. The installer was forced to put all new metal on the building with insulation. It was his very first job of that kind that he had ever done. Needless to say, he was upset that the manfacturer failed to tell them that it had to be insulated when you put the steel down before the seams were sealed with the machine. They just sold him the metal and he installed it. No more leaks since the new roof was installed.

Be sure to ask some one that has a building what they would not do if they ever built one again? what they would do and not do and I bet you will get the same answer.


Just think about this! One little leak and you will have foam on the cars under them. When you use fiberglass with plastic underliner if you get a leak it will dry out and not bunch up. I have had a minor leak near a heater vent outlet and it didn't hurt a thing on the underside of the celling.

I will also point out that the white plastic liner on the underside of the roll type ceiling insulation reflects light much better than the yellowish color of the foam. Your building will also stay cleaner too. I feel it will actually look better inside too. IMO.

Do your homework and I hope you come to the same conclusion.

Pantera

[Charley Lillard]

My ceiling on my other barn is already insulated with the white vinyl lined insulation. To put the vinyl under the side wall means taking the sidewall tin off and that is expensive and a pain in the ass. I want to spray the interior wall with foam insulation and then cover with new tin. You wouldn't even see the foam and it would really seal up the walls.

[TimG]

Glad you got the Shelby back. You have any good shots of it???? Did Cowles do a good job on it???

[Charley Lillard]

It turned out pretty nice. I will take some pics for you.

[Pantera]

That might work fine on the sides. Especally if you put new metal up inside over it. The main place this stuff is not good to use in the roof and perhaps the top 2 feet of the walls. That is where it seems to come off when it gets too damp from condinsation.

It may be cheaper and better to use the pink fiberglass that comes in rolls with a paperback normally used for a house and then put the metal sheets on in front of it?. You can use a spray glue to hold it in place.

That way you don't have to empty the entire building out while you do it. You can just do one wall area at a time.

[firstgenaddict]

Skylights are terrible. We have nothing but problems in our 60,000 sqft warehouse. It would have been cheaper to pay for the powerbill to light up the warehouse.
They were great for a few years but after awhile nothing but trouble.

[JChlupsa]

What kind of trouble are you having with them besides leaking? Were having somewhere around 130 of the installed in the warehouses here and any known problems I would like to bring up to the company thats installing them and get them noted so if they same problems happen they can pay for the fix. Nice thing about being part of the contract team being that Im also the building manager for the warehouses as well.

[Pantera]

They sweat and drop mosture down on your cars, tools or what is under them. Unless it is office space I would have them put in the top of the wall just under the eaves. Then use mercury vapor or other High lumim lights to light up the place.

If they are double pane glass insulated that might work.

Pantera

[scuncio]

I just bought a house with a 4-yr old detached garage that has four double-pane skylights on the roof. So far I haven't had any trouble with them sweating or leaking, and no evidence of water damage. Single pane obviously may be a different story, but I am happy with these. It makes a huge difference in ambient light when you've got a structure with no side windows.

[Pantera]

I agree that the light is wonderful. I have 6 in my 50x60 and they are not too bad but I would put them in the wall the next building that I build.

Your double pane should not sweat like the ones that they use in most metal buildings. They use a sheet of white fiberglass or plastic (not sure which it is?) that is the same shape as the metal.

I think the problems only show up in a all metal building for some reason. Must have something to do with the surounding metal temp? Also if you have any insulation and heat in the building will also make a difference.

But no matter what if it goes through the roof there is always a chance that it can develop a leak. Just do a lot of homework before you buy some if you are building one. The manfacturers have come a long way with sealing and water control since I built my building back in the early 80's.

Pantera

[firstgenaddict]

Hawaiian,
Just have a problem with them leaking... nothing else.