COPO Camaro

[Z28DZ]

From team Camaro:

http://www.camaros.net/cgi-bin/cyber/cla...photo_size=full (http://www.camaros.net/cgi-bin/cyber/classifieds.cgi?search_and_display_db_button=on&db _id=33060&exact_match=on&photo_size=full)

[mike s]

very nice car and even nicer gentlemen wants 90k http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/haha.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/worship.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/flag.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif

thanks mike

[DarrenX33]

Really?

[COPO]

If the car has good docs, it should go quickly at that price. Gorgeous car, albeit over restored.

[Belair62]

Anyone know this car ? It can't be real at 90k.

[Canucklehead]

Is this the clone thats listed for sale at BJ in january??, if it is the car is a clone. Auction # 702

[DarrenX33]

I think I understand the pricing. There is something wrong with this car. Look at the picture. Somehow they put the Camaro emblem on backwards. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

[Bill Pritchard]

Seller is so embarrassed about putting the emblem on backwards that he won't even list his last name http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

[JChlupsa]

Guess the whole display floor is backwards then. Check out the signs and the lettering on the tires as well.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v99/HawaiianCamaro/Cars/33060.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v99/HawaiianCamaro/Cars/33060a.jpg

Guess thats what happens with you invert pics :P

[NovaMob03]

The seller does not have any documentation for the car but he'll gladly give out the Vin # & tell you that the engine/trans date codes are correct to the car. It has a BV rear.

[DarrenX33]

Nice Jeff. Now I bet the price is going to go up. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Does look like a neat car. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif

[wen29]

Hi , I am the sellers daughter . I put up the pictures , I am not use to a scanner and did not realize I scanned them wrong . Sorry .

[Mr70]

Welcome. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif
It's no big Deal.
It's a beautiful Camaro.

[JChlupsa]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v99/HawaiianCamaro/Cars/lastscan.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v99/HawaiianCamaro/Cars/copo2.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v99/HawaiianCamaro/Cars/copo1.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v99/HawaiianCamaro/Cars/copoengine.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v99/HawaiianCamaro/Cars/infooncopo.jpg

[DarrenX33]

Wendy please don't take offense. Not a problem at all. Just taking any opportunity to be a goofball.

The car is very cool. Thanks for sending the photos!

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif

[Belair62]

You know I've been wondering because I have seen that happen in magazines...how the heck does that happen ? Does the negative get flipped or something.

[69LM1]

I Live in St. Rose, LA - about 45min away. If anyone is serious about it I can go and check it out for you.
Rich

[resto4u]

wendy, Who documented the car? I would get the car certified by the copo connection before selling. It could bring more $$$$. Just my 2cents. Roger

[COPO]

COPO Connection Link (http://www.copo.com)

[DarrenX33]

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You know I've been wondering because I have seen that happen in magazines...how the heck does that happen ? Does the negative get flipped or something.


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I am no editor but do they (or did they) use color slides for the photographs in magazines? Happens all the time when my family looks at slides from "the old neighborhood" on the old 1950's projector.

[Canucklehead]

On the BJ preshow that was on last night they interviewed the owner and he chose his words carefully and mentioned that it was a "Period correct" restoration. Looks like a nice job, even if it is a clone it is a ZL1 recreation and done quite well, so the $90k price is not outrageous.

[DarrenX33]

I am thinking your talking about 2 different cars here. This car is an L72. Also has spoilers.

[DaJudge]

That's not the same car that is going to BJ. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif

[chads454Ls6]

When i spoke to the owner it was not an all #s matching car and was not sure of it's authenticity of a real copo.

[camarojoe]

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When i spoke to the owner it was not an all #s matching car and was not sure of it's authenticity of a real copo.

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Which car? The ZL1 clone/Barrent Jackson car, or the COPO that is pictured and discussed at the beginning of this thread? I'm confused!

[JChlupsa]

The pics I posted were received by the daughter (Wendy) of the car the thread was started about. Notice the hand written paper says matching numbers and gives the VIN and the Partial VIN I would think was from the engine itself. Lets keep the other car (B-J Car) out of this thread if there different cars.

[chads454Ls6]

I am speaking of the camaro on this thread. the owner told me he purchased this car from a woman,i forget what state,in which her husband died and the car was apart and he sent it to a shop and had it restored.He had said it took 2 years,and there is no paperwork with the car. He had told me that it was the correct motor,not the original,thought the v.i.n was on tranny but not sure of the numbers,and did not know about the rear but would check. If this is a real car,that seems like a fair price.

[wen29]

I am not sure , don't know much about cars . I will find out .

[69LM1]

I will ge going over to the owners on Sunday to look at the car for someone here. I will post to you guys Sunday pm.

Rich

[SUPERSPORT]

69LM1.. did you get a chance to see the car? Interested in your findings. Happy Holidays

[69LM1]

Begin Disclaimer: This is an OPINION on this car, not an expert judgement. I am a computer nerd and in no way qualified to make any judgements about authenticty one way or the other on this car. I went to look at this car for my own benefit and for no other reason and was not compensated by anyone to do so. If you are interested in this car, call the owner and set up a meeting to determine weather or not it is the right car for you DO NOT USE MY OPINION IN ANY WAY SHAPE, FORM or ACT to make a decision on this car.
<<<<END Disclaimer>>>>


I did. It is a very well restored 69 camaro. Probably the best I have ever seen. The owner (Gary) is a very nice guy and seemed honest when asked difficult questions about the car. However, not being ed jr, I cannot, nor can I confirm weather or not this is or was an actual CoPo car.

The owner readily admits that the block was decked and the vin restamped back after it was sleeved. The trim tag was removed and replaced during the execellant restoration as well. The rear is either a BV or BW code rear. All date codes that I looked at (which was not too many) seem to be in close proximity to the production date on the trim tag.


Rich

[SUPERSPORT]

Thanks Rich!

[CamarosRus]

Below pic is TRIM TAG......which seller says was removed and replaced as a result of restoration....any "EXPERT" opinions on how much water this will hold......
Also if ALL 69 COPO's received BE Heavy Duty 4:10 axle's , how can this cars BV standard duty 4:10 diff be explained???

Chuck S

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v470/CamarosRus/Camaro%201970%20Resto%20Details/TrimTag2CajunCOPO.jpg

[Kurt S]

There is a difference between 'removed and reinstalled' and 'removed and replaced'. This one is the latter, IMO.

[John]

Did you by chance, check the DATE of the rearend?
...Does it fall in line with the Date the car was built?
... http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif

[GM-26]

There are companys that provide "replacement" trim tags. I'm sure most people on this board know that, but some may not.

http://www.trimtags.com/faq.html

[DarrenX33]

Maybe I am wrong but those numbers just look to crisp. Also the fold in the top and bottom of the tag are very straight. Originals appear more rounded. Look at an original. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif

[Tim Greer]

I somehow don't see a brand new, shiny trim tag being a good sign.

[firstgenaddict]

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I somehow don't see a brand new, shiny trim tag being a good sign.

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Nor do I. IMO like was stated earlier the top and bottom ridges appear to be too sharp.

[Belair62]

Has anyone seen the actual tool to install that type of rivet ? It must be a strange looking piece.

[SuperNovaSS]

The date on the tag looks a bit funky to me as well.


Jason

[camarojoe]

Maybe if it was correctly painted black it wouldn't be so blatantly fake looking...

[DaveC68]

I think it was Jet-Hot Coated....to preserve it http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[CamarosRus]

Did the L-72 COPO (Yenko, etc) engines have a 19Nxxxxxx stamped on left lower bellhousing flange in ALL cases, or were some VIN's stamped on Deck along with Tonawanda assy date????? .....and if so then should not this CAJUN COPO have the car vin stamped on bellhousing flange.....regardless of block being decked

[Kurt S]

It's on ebay (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=4516328075). And here is it's newest trim tag.
http://carad.ebayimg.com/i1/03/a/03/22/0e/d6_4.JPG
Looks better than the last one....

[70ls6elcamino]

The rest of the pics on ebay showing the engine compartment still have the new old shinny tag

[CamarosRus]

So.....am I correct in thinking that A DEALER bought the "Cajun Camaro" and is now hyping it on EBAY......I wanted to work with the original private seller, but he just would not/could not cooperate in providing FACTS.....
Chuck S

[Mark_C]

Theres probably a reason for that but I can't tell if this is a dealer, or an owners representative that has the car up for auction.

[William]

Read the boilerplate in the ad:

"This vehicle is being sold as is, where is with no warranty, expressed written or implied. The seller shall not be responsible for the correct description, authenticity, genuineness, or defects herein, and makes no warranty in connection therewith. No allowance or set aside will be made on account of any incorrectness, imperfection, defect or damage. Any descriptions or representations are for identification purposes only and are not to be construed as a warranty of any type. It is the responsibility of the buyer to have thoroughly inspected the vehicle, and to have satisfied himself or herself as to the condition and value and to bid based upon that judgement solely. The seller shall and will make every reasonable effort to disclose any known defects associated with this vehicle at the buyer's request prior to the close of sale. Seller assumes no responsibility for any repairs regardless of any oral statements about the vehicle."

[John]

the dealer is probably trying to "broker" the car for the owner...so now they "paint " the cowl tag to make it look originalhttp://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif
....and has a "BV" rear end http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif
...but it is a nice restoration http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[Mark_C]

Theres no way on earth those two tags are the same one, painted or not. One is definately a repro tag, the other looks real, but the info on both of them is the same, so if you assume the nice crisp clean one is a repro what do you gain other than a nice looking tag? Did the original get lost during the restoration and get a repro replacement, only to find the original one later, who knows, but if your bidding you should definately ask the owner (or the owners rep) what the story is.

All engine VIN's were stamped at the vehicle assembly plant. It is not normal practice during May at the Norwood plant to stamp the VIN on the engine pad of any 8 cylinder engine. It would be stamped on the rear of the engine in the rough casting area above the oil filter. If it's on the pad it's been restamped, although the owner already stated the block was decked and restamped.

[camarojoe]

Are you sure thats even a pic of the actual trim tag? It almost looks like a rubbing, or a negative image, or something? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif

[JChlupsa]

Whats up with the (-) between the 1 and the 2 in the body number

http://www.yenko.net/attachments/113842-d6_4a.JPG

[Mark_C]

Probably just a chip in the paint, like the one under the D in BDY.

[Belair62]

Most of the specs of this car were posted and discussed early in this thread ...

[willglens30]

What do all of you think this car is worth ? Clone or real ?

[JChlupsa]

Aloha Bill, Depends on what your trying to sell it as , clone or Real COPO.

Contact info:
Bill Schwartz
[email protected]

[Belair62]

Bill..I will venture a guess here...real COPO 150-200....clone in that type of resto...50 + .. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif

[69LM1]

I went out and looked at this car. Awesome resto! As far as that trim tag goes, man I hope that the "broker" is placing that there as the owner really seemed like a nice guy.
He also had a 70 or 71 Monte Carlo SS454, whew! Nice car.
Rich

[willglens30]

Im not saying it is or or not but it is getting so close to the reserve it is not even funny !!!!!!!!!!!

[willglens30]

I see no pic of the trim tag.

[Charley Lillard]

pic too big.....

[JQ]

Here is a picture of my Copo's trim tag

[olredalert]

-------Is it possible that this fella was obsessed with perfection and just wanted a perfect tag along with everything else on the car? I mean c-mon, look at the resto. I know guys in the Corvette world that are that anal. Not saying its right, just asking if its possible, as its one hell of a nice ride!...........Bill S

[Jeff H]

That's what I was thinking Bill. The original tag was beat up so he got a new one made by Trim Tags to match the old one. If that's the case, it's no big deal(IMO). But did you notice how big the spread is in body numbers between the car being discussed and this latest post? 05C and 05E with a difference of 40,000 + on the body number?

[69LM1]

Actually, I went out and saw that car. It is here in Houma, Louisiana. The problem is that the block was decked, then restamped. The rear is a not a BE, and then there is the trim tag. I personally do not know if it is a real CoPo or not, but for that kind of money I would want to know!

And now that picture of a trim tag that is not the one that is (or was a few weeks ago when I went out to look at the car) on the car? Why the change if it is legit? The owner really seemed nice, and if I asked a question, did not aviod the answer. I wonder if the person selling the car for him posted that trim tag pic?

Rich

[camarojoe]

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The owner really seemed nice, and if I asked a question, did not aviod the answer.
Rich

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Did you ask him if it was a clone? Did he do the resto or did he buy it as it sits? I would think whoever restored the car would know what it was when they started the resto. Are there any pics of this car before or during its restoration?

[Racefan]

I have been looking at the pictures side by side carefully. Is there any way that the pic on the auction (with the painted tag) could have been taken shile the tag was off during resto and they "cleaned it up" by stripping the paint off somehow before they put it back on? The offset of the ST and BDY/PNT lines look very similar, if not exact.

[69LM1]

"Did you ask him if it was a clone? Did he do the resto or did he buy it as it sits?"

yes, and his response was that he would not guarantee anything. He *thought* it was a copo. He is sure that he got the car with a numbers matching (the vin on the deck?) 427 in it. Then during the restoration and engine rebuild, the block was "restamped" exactly as it was.

Also, the intake is not an GM aluminum one, but painted gray. He does have a original GM/Winters intake date coded near the car, but it is not on the car (has some issue if I remember?)

He had it restored by a guy in Donaldsonville, Louisiana. From what I understand, for big dollars. I mentioned 50 grand and he smiled and said "Much More".

At that time, he said his cash price was 75k, if I remember correctly, so the reserve is getting close.

Again, great looking car. Not a drop of oil.

[Mr. T]

The owner of the COPO sent me 3 or 4 emails last year, offering the car to me for 90k.

[69LM1]

Auction ended early. Wonder if it sold, or to many questions being asked?

[Hylton]

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....The problem is that the block was decked, then restamped. The rear is a not a BE, and then there is the trim tag. I personally do not know if it is a real CoPo or not......

[/ QUOTE ]

Guys common! You can't see the forest through the trees? Anyone have change for my 3 dollar bill? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

[copojoe]

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Seller is so embarrassed about putting the emblem on backwards that he won't even list his last name http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

[/ QUOTE ]

Great catch on the emblem being backwards! What a Knuckle head! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif