PDA

View Full Version : Aaaaargh! Magazine missing page: need info


GOAT72
12-15-2004, 08:48 PM
Anyone got the 1/4-mile ET and MPH for the '63 "Swiss Cheese" 421SD Catalina?
I got a photocopy of the article from Hot Rod magazine 1963 and the page with the trap numbers is missing!

Thanks!
Mac

Mr70
12-16-2004, 12:50 AM
1963 Pontiac Catalina
Comments: Pontiac fullsize performance reached its peak in 1963. All fullsize models got new sheetmetal for 1963, including stacked headlights. Performance enthusiasts once again turned to the Catalina, the lightest of the Pontiac fullsize coupes. The standard engine was a 389 cid V8 with 283 bhp. Next up were two 421s with 10.75:1 compression ratios: a four barrel with 353 bhp and the Trophy 421 HO (High Output) which sported triple Rochester two-barrel carburetors operated by a progressive throttle linkage and was rated at 370 bhp. For serious drag strip use, buyers could specify the Super Duty 421 which came in three states of tune which all benefited from an increase in the compression ratio from 11.0:1 to 12.0:1 and an increase in the maximum shift point from 5900 rpm to a screaming 6400 rpm. The mildest Super Duty 421, designed for high speed use, used a single four barrel carb and was rated at 390 bhp. Next up was the drag strip version which used a dual four barrel and was again underrated at 405 bhp. This engine came with aluminum exhaust manifolds standard and steel manifolds optional. At the top was a second drag strip version with a dual four barrel carb version and a 13.0:1 compression ratio which Pontiac timidly rated at 410 bhp. Only 88 of these engines were built for all models, and those Catalinas so powered could turn sub 14 second quarter miles. But eager for more performance, Pontiac offered a limited number of Super Stock lightweight Catalinas with the famous "Swiss Cheese" frames (which had grapefruit sized holes drilled into the chassis rails), aluminum axle centers, aluminum front panels and front and rear bumpers, plus numerous other modifications. The net result was a 300 lb weight loss over regular Catalinas, allowing quarter mile times in the low 12s at more than 116 mph. Unfortunately, all of this performance was too much for General Motors and GM instituted a complete ban on competition activity, forcing Pontiac to stop installing all Super Duty components.

Production:
Engines: 389 V8 289 bhp. 421 HO V8 370 bhp. SD 421 390 bhp. SD 421 405 bhp. SD 421 410 bhp.
Performance: SD 421/410: 0-60 in 5.2 seconds, 1/4 mile in 13.7 seconds @ 107 mph. Super Stock lightweight SD 421/410: 1/4 mile in low 12s at more than 116 mph.

http://www.stationwagon.com/gallery/pictures/1963_Pontiac_Catalina_6.jpg

DarrenX33
12-16-2004, 01:17 AM
Based on the content, I am betting that Belair stoled your page. He just "loves early Pontiacs". http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

GOAT72
12-16-2004, 02:37 AM
Thanks, Rick!
http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/burnout.gif

You went above and beyond the call of duty and I appreciate it!
http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/worship.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

Norm reynolds
12-16-2004, 06:02 AM
About a year ago was at a corvette show at Elkins Chevy in south Jersey a guy unloaded this 63 Pontiac and man did it sound mean it had pixy glass side windows had a sign on it saying Swiss cheese At the time I did not know what it was but I took some pictures of it nobody seem interested in it except me when I got home and did some research and found it was a rare car. Funning that no one was interested in it but me
So there is a Swiss cheese Pontiac rooming around in south Jersey
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v511/stingray66/0b64460f.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v511/stingray66/9e904dbe.jpg

tjs44
12-16-2004, 06:48 AM
if that is the pic,doub it was a swiss cheese car,SD yes,all of them were a special silver paint and im sure the 13 cars came with the battery in the trunk.Tom

GOAT72
12-16-2004, 04:00 PM
[ QUOTE ]
if that is the pic,doub it was a swiss cheese car,SD yes,all of them were a special silver paint and im sure the 13 cars came with the battery in the trunk.Tom

[/ QUOTE ]

Well, the Swiss Cheese car DID come w/plexi windows, and the dual quad intake (as Rick described above).

Why couldn't it be a Swiss Cheese car, Tom?
My car USED to be orange, then it was blue, now it's red.
http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif
But you are correct about battery placement. My '63 Hot Rod article shows a photo of the battery mounted in the rr side of the trunk.

Does that car have aluminum factory headers? I couldn't tell by the photo.
http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif

Mac

tjs44
12-16-2004, 06:20 PM
All the drag race SD cars came with alu exhaust.The circle cars came with a stamped steel header.I saw the Demetrie car which was not a swiss cheese car with plexi windows.I dont think someone with a swiss cheese car would have moved the battery from the trunk to the front,that is the big give away.The engines in the swiss cheese cars were the same as the rest of the SD cars.ALL the 13 S.C. cars were alu.Not all SD cars were alu.

Belair62
12-16-2004, 06:27 PM
Tom...I owned the Demetri car and yes it had plexi front and rear..full alum front end,rear bumper,,,Frost Silver was the Swiss color was it not ?

tjs44
12-16-2004, 06:39 PM
Yes,I know,you bought it out from under me!Yes,the S.C. cars were all that color.Tom

Belair62
12-16-2004, 07:25 PM
I did not you sausage http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/haha.gif !!! I bought it from a good friend local...

tjs44
12-16-2004, 07:43 PM
OK!SO HE bought it out from under me!LOL

Steve_Hoog
12-16-2004, 08:29 PM
[ QUOTE ]
I did not you sausage

[/ QUOTE ]

I'm not real up on northern slang, but it sure seems funny!

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/haha.gif

Steve_Hoog
12-16-2004, 08:32 PM
Mr 70 what's up with the crunch and munch car, that you in the pic?

Mr70
12-16-2004, 09:33 PM
I saved that picture while surfing the net awhile ago.
I like what it conveys & expresses.Very grass roots. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif

It's a 1963 421SD Pontiac Catalina Station Wagon Project.
I really like this story & hope you all enjoy it.The Paragraph about the Dad hollering "We're gonna run em!" with the kids in the backseat,is an exact snipet from my childhood also. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
I don't know who those two "sausages" are.
Here is the story as told by John Teas:

"It was just a few days before Christmas. I was watching the snow blow by the office window. The weather had me stuck in the office for the night, when about 10:30 that evening, the phone rang. It was my wife.

Earlier that spring I had bought a 63’ Pontiac Catalina 2 door hard top. It was supposed to have a 421 HO tri-power and a 4 speed in it. Instead, there was a 350 Pontiac motor and a 2 speed automatic. It was my quest for driveline parts that prompted my wife to call that night. "Smoke Signals", the Pontiac/Oakland Club International magazine had arrived that day. She knew the routine. I’d get the magazine and before I made it from the mail box to the house, I would have already hit the parts for sale pages. I had been second fiddle on three different occasions, trying to score a 421 engine.

Joy, my wife, said that I better call this ad:
...."Too many projects, something has to go! 1963 Catalina wagon, 421 tri-power, 4-speed. Lots of parts"....

The only problem was the phone number in the add was disconnected! The add was from a gentleman in Oregon. With the help of our club roster and a little detective work, a current phone number was obtained. Since it was two hours earlier there, I did not wait till morning to call. The visit was quite nice, and in the space of about 15 minutes I bought the car site un-seen. A bank draft was sent the next day, and he agreed to store the car inside for me till spring. He did send me the original title and all the paper work he had with the car.

The car was owned by a friend of his, now deceased. He was always going to get around to fixing it up, but time was slipping away. Now it is my project. The engine was a Service Replacement block, and the original rear end was gone. I later heard the story about the rear end from the son of the original purchaser. I have had the good fortune to have a couple good chats with him about the car.

His dad wanted a Super Duty Wagon, but he was told that they would not make it. So he ordered it up option by option and just about got one anyway! It was ordered with the HD frame, 421 HO, Tri-power, 4-speed, Transistor ignition ($168 option), Safety-Track rear w/3.42 gears, 8-bolt aluminum wheels, in a 9 passenger configuration. He had shopped several dealerships and kept all his notes on the Fords, Olds, Dodge, and Chevy. The Pontiac won out. In the paper work packet was all the order forms and bill of sale, detailing the options and costs.

The wagon only has 78,000 miles on the clock, and no rust. There had been one mishap that made a mess of the front end. A friend of the son was driving it, and it just plain got away from him. So for a time it sported Grand Prix front sheet metal garnered at the local salvage yard. That in itself got some double takes. The front sheet metal was later swapped for the correct parts. The wagon was well known on the northwest cost as a hard runner. It rarely lost a race, and that was only when it broke something. For over a year, it was the car to beat. It took a T-bolt Ford to finally knock it off its lofty perch. Two of the three kids learned to drive on it. No body in town would race daddy’s car. They recalled one trip to the corner burger spot:

"We pulled up to a stop light, when a hopped up purple 58’ Corvette pulled up along side. He revved his engine a couple of times. Dad, being a little pudgy, in his 40’s and quite bald at the time, did not look the part of a hot rodder. ‘We’re gona run’em’ he hollered. That was our signal for all the kids to the back of the bus (weight transfer you know). The light turned green and the old Pumpjack lurched forward from a cloud of tire smoke. All the guys in the Vette saw was three smart aleck kids with their tongues sticking out at them. The next light had the greasers from the Corvette out and looking under the hood. As kids we were used to the routine. Mom liked it too!"

Home movies exist of the car somewhere I am told, along with the blown up rear end. The car has been named "That Car". Because a lot of people were after it, and told me "Oh you bought THAT car!" I have heard many good stories about the wagon. But if you know of it, from it’s hey day, please E-mail me with your encounter. The car resided in the Portland Oregon area all its life, till I brought it to the mid west.

I am doing a frame off restoration. The block is done, as well as the frame. I have located the proper date code T-10 and rear axle. Most of the small parts needed have been acquired also. I am still in need of a "Spaghetti" shifter for a 4-speed with a bench seat."

budnate
12-16-2004, 10:07 PM
[ QUOTE ]
‘We’re gona run’em’ he hollered

[/ QUOTE ]

ahhh the good old days...we had '67 GT-390 4spd fastback as the family car...I recall a few "batten down the hatches boys" that meant buckle up and quick!!!

Belair62
12-16-2004, 10:09 PM
Love to see thast one done...

Steve_Hoog
12-16-2004, 10:41 PM
All time classic!!!

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

Mr70
12-17-2004, 12:43 AM
Just a follow up.
I realize we have a few Oregonians & Left coasters frequent on here,so in case anyone can help John with more past history of his 1963 Catalina 421 SD Wagon,please email him at:
[email protected]

Steve_Hoog
12-17-2004, 05:33 AM
Tom

What's the "00 crankshaft"?

tjs44
12-17-2004, 06:03 AM
never heard of it,the forged 4in stroke 421 crank is the "990" crank.

Steve_Hoog
12-17-2004, 07:22 AM
62 SD cars 56322 and 58152 show it as an option.

tjs44
12-17-2004, 07:39 AM
Steve,they did have 389 SD motors in 62?Forged 389 crank?

Steve_Hoog
12-17-2004, 08:03 AM
Shows engine 13 on both, one is an aluminum car and the other has less dum dum and no heater?

GTO_DON
12-17-2004, 08:14 AM
The black car that was seen in jersey is real!! It was bought from Dick Bridges a few years ago. Two brothers from pa are the owners. They have alot of rare pontiacs. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

sixtiesmuscle
12-17-2004, 04:49 PM
"Real" what? SD or Swisscheese?

Steve_Hoog
12-17-2004, 07:00 PM
http://www.empgmc.com/race/62sd.jpg

Steve_Hoog
12-19-2004, 08:07 AM
Looks like daylight to me:

http://www.azalea.net/~steved/ppiii.jpg

olredalert
12-19-2004, 08:52 PM
------Love that front plate..........Bill S