62 Belair bubble top 409

[Turblou]

Need to know ASAP the value of a Cherry 62 bubble top Belair. Dual quad, 4 speed, 4.11 posi 409 I'm thinking of buying it & don't know what its worth. I'm assuming that its a clone. But done so well that it's hard to tell. Production numbers would also be helpful this car is a 10. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif

[Motion Camaro]

<font color="blue">I know 2 people with 409 clones like that.
One paid $28,000 the other paid $30,000.
Both beautiful cars &amp; well worth it.
GOOD LUCK http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif</font>

[Belair62]

Is it turqoise ?? You will not find a truly perfectly restored car for 30k IMO...I have seen a very high quality car in the upper 40's as recenly as a few weeks ago...either way...you get what you pay for...lets see some pics

[olredalert]

------Out that way, Im wondering if its Jim Mattisons old 09er. It was a red bubble. It went to Cal., and the last I heard he was trying to get it back. Seems to me price would have been somewhat higher than those mentioned, tho, as it was a spectacular example (not that those mentioned arent)............Bill S

[Turblou]

This is a Roman Red/Red frame off car.To be honest I'm trying to save this piece of history from the present owner who wants to cut the floor tunnel to install a five speed. trans, power steering,&amp; some other incorrect things to this beautiful 09.I', thinking that the car is worth about $40-50,000 range.I wonder how many of these were built in 62? &amp; yes I'm located in Calif.

[olredalert]

-----That red/red part sounds like Jims 09er alright. That contemplated work would kill him if its his!.........Bill S

[JChlupsa]

I posted pics of a red/red 62 BT 409 dual quad car some time back. It sold and went to CA i think. Does it have radio/heater/door lock delete by chance. If so it might be the same car that was here and that Boyd did the resto on a few years back.

[Turblou]

Yes it sure sounds like the same car! I'm really having a time of this makeing up my mind.I only wish I could determain the correct value.I own an auto repair business &amp; right now its parked in my shop &amp; tempting the hell out of me. I feel like the character in that movie Christene.Who gets possesed by a car. But in this cae its a red Chevy not a Plymouth LOL.Anyway I need to find out all I can about it before I decide marry this thing.Regards Lou http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif

[JChlupsa]

Heres the ad from the paper here before it was sold if its the same one. Might call and see if it did sale or still for sale just the same. I know he came down in price for the car compared to what he listed.

I also have some pics of the car someplace I try to find and send to you.

RARE
'62 Chevy Bel Air BubbleTop, 409, body off restoration by Boyd. eng built to Z11 specs, red on red. Pebble Beach Showwinner. Lloyd's of London appraisal $65,000 SELL $46,000.
808-623-9889

[olredalert]

------The red/red car Im thinking of would be priced at wholesale at that $46,000 price, in my opinion. If it can be bought for that and everything points the right direction I say "buy it"!
------Whats getting done at your shop? At least it allows you great access to car this way..........Bill S

[Verne_Frantz]

Turblou,
Some comments. First, power steering would not be incorrect on a '62 409, regardless of body style.
How many were originally made? A hell of a lot less than exist today.
Just because you've found a red/red one, don't think it must be a match to another known one. Most of them today are red/red.
And if it has a Z-11 top half on it, you should immediately add $25K to it's value, even though Chevrolet factory produced ZERO of them in '62.
If you care whether it's real or not before you empty your pockets, ask for paper work or photos BEFORE restoration. Unfortunately, where '62 409s are concerned, if it doesn't have it's original block with original VIN and broach marks, there is absolutely NOTHING on a fully restored one to verify it's legit. You'd need a build sheet, original paperwork, or pre-restoration photos. So, if it's already something it never was, saving it from a 5-speed isn't necessarily such a noble cause.
Just trying to calm you down a little and give you a few things to think about before you make a move you might regret later. Make sure you know what you really want, and what you're willing to pay for what you think you're really getting. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

Verne.

[BUIZILLA]

Lou, look up the Kruse auction results last Jan timeframe, Ft. Lauderdale... there was a drop dead gorgeous red/red car that went for, *I think*, right at 40k, plus or minus some pennies. I was chasing something else, or I would have snagged it. VERY healthy motor. Car was done right, VERY straight body. Should give you a shopping idea..

Jim Haas, (you'll probably remember me from Buick stuff..)

[Belair62]

There was a nice Turqoise Belauir at Select auto in Louisiana ...same price range...

[JChlupsa]

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Turqoise Belauir

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Bob what kind of car??? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif

[Belair62]

Ah you know what I meant... http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[Seattle Sam]

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Ah you know what I meant... http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

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Bob is that why they keep calling you "BubbleTop"?? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif
-Sam http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[Belair62]

I've been called worse...maybe it's time to dye my hair blonde http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif

[Turblou]

Hi Jim! great to hear from you !Thanks all for your response. I decided to buy it. Can't decide if I should return it to orginal since the parts were encluded in the deal. It has headers, Disc brake convertion &amp; early style American mags.I wonder which way it to be most desireable. I checked all the numbers &amp; they all seem to have the right date code.I'm presently trying to track down what ever info I can. The car was totally restored frame off. Somewhere in calif, I have some digital pics but don't know how to post them. Something I'll have to work on. Since I'm not a car collector &amp; can't afford to have my money tied up. I will be putting it up for sale soon. I estimate its value to be about $42,000 or maybe more.

[olredalert]

-------Sounds like a plan! Also sounds like you bought it right counting a bit of "sweatequity"....Your description takes it away from being Jim Ms as none of those modifications were done to it last time I talked to him. Sounds like a nice ride, however............Bill S

[CamarosRus]

VERNE, I would have sent you the below private Email, but I see you dont list any. I have a friend Jim B. in Conyers,GA that is quite knowledgeable on the 62 B.T. subject. After reading this thread he sent the following.....FYI Lamar Walden built his engine.
"Chuck;
Since I'm not a member I can't respond. This guy Verne came as close as anyone....however he was wrong about the Z-11 top half being offered in 62...I have a 63 split manifold but original 62 experimental heads that start with an "O" seial #. Z-11 package was offered in 62 called a "Sevice Package " and was totally correct to run a 63 block !Also if it has headers then knock off about 800-1000k for the manifolds "IF" and a big if you can find them ! If it has disc brakes then it doesn;t have the correct master cylinder. Mine has a Corvette M/C marked "7/8 ths for a smaller line as opposed to the standard "1" inch. Corvettes are great but a correct big car would be better !
Still looking ! Also I have the "metallic brake option" nos shoes...very rare ! I was offered cash 25K for those heads alone !Then the price depends on actual condition of the car itself ! Paint,interior Date coded posi etc. If he buys it for what he says he did he should be fine. Muscle cars have gone through the roof ! Also I have an original not I repeat not dry rotted spare ! Very rare... I would take 130 K for mine and not a penny less !"

[Belair62]

Did Jim ever get that car finished ??? Have him send me some pics...we talked years ago....

[Verne_Frantz]

Chuck,
Thanks for forwarding his reply. Take a look and you will see that I said Chevrolet "factory produced" zero of them, meaning you couldn't order the Z-11 top half on a '62, nor did the factory assemble any and ship them out as done cars. (and that includes the factory aluminum B/FX Impalas, which came with the standard 2x4 engine). When the early Z-11 heads and intake set-up were first done (mid '62), the individual pieces could be gotten over the counter. The term "service package" implies the parts service system offered a "package", which would have it's own part number, as a kit which would include everything. They did that in April when the '63 cam, etc was put together as a package, and it had a package part number.
If a '62 Z-11 "package" would have been offered, it would have included the pistons as well. The Z-11 head has it's intake valve raised up .190"; just enough to nick the eyebrow. A lot of early heads were lost due to guys putting on the heads and intake without doing the work and using the right pistons.

And I agree: a set of "0-" pre-production casted heads would be worth quite a bit more than the "production" Z-11 heads. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif

Verne

[CamarosRus]

BelAir, Jim B had his 62 BT with a guy in S.C. "forever" waiting to get ALL the misc bodywork and paint complete. After paying the "bodyman" G-D only knows TOO much money, Jim had his fill of excuses and broken promises. The car is now with some 62 409 GURU in the midwest, who reportedly finally has the car in paint. Jim had Lamar Walden build the engine. He has collected parts and pieces from here ti tomorrow. It appears to me he's $$$$ buried in the car, but I hope and pray it will be "NICE". Jim is an old ARMY buddy FYI and we go back aways.
Regards as always, Chuck Sharin

[Turblou]

Great replys!&amp; I apprciate them. As far as the original parts go.They are all available &amp; go with the deal.How I acquired the car.The owner had me do the disc brake conversion after he had the headers installed.Then he wanted power steering &amp; a five speed tremac trans.Well the trans wouldn't fit so he said do what it takes.Which would involve cutting up the floor tunnel. Up to that point I was going along with his wish's.Since the car could be converted back at a later time.But when faced with the floor issue I refused &amp; offerd to buy the car to save it. So now I have the choice of putting it back to orginal.After doing all that work &amp; him wasteing his money.By the way the car is identical to the turquise one F/S in Hemmings by select auto in Louisiana.Also does anyone know of a place that sells original style bolts.?

[indyjps]

give me some details on the disc brakes and headers if you pull them off, a guy on pro-touring.com is building a 62 and i can forward the info to him. pm me if you pull the parts off.

[Turblou]

Thanks but I will probably keep the stuff no matter what course I take. This way I can offer options when I put it up for sale. Meanwhile I need a alumn. bell houseing Pt. Num. 3779553 can anyone out there help!

[sixtiesmuscle]

Try Show Cars Automotive in MN. 507-233-1958

[Vettefinderjim]

Call Curt Harvey. Look at his web page at www.mr409.com (http://www.mr409.com)

Curt is a 409 expert right here in Southern California. Dave Lindsley is also, and he lives in Lake Forest. I have owned two in my lifetime also, so give me a shout if i can help.
Jim

[Belair62]

Curt has a pretty cool stroker kit for them '09's too.

[Turblou]

Hi Jim! Dave Lindsly is a friend of mine &amp; has already seen the car. You probably know Allen Morris also since your into Vette's.I have some digital pictures that I like to post. Can you help me with that? I would appreciate it as my computer skills are a little basic.

[Turblou]

Curt Harvey is supposedly the fellow who built the engine! A fellow by the name of Mark Williams in CA. orginally built the car. As the story goes both of them are close friends &amp; worked togather on the project.I would sure like to talk to them about it. Evidently this car has had more than a few owners.

[Belair62]

hmmm...it just may be 478 cubic inches !!!

[Turblou]

Hmmm....I Kinda doubt it. But would'nt that be nice. I'm still doing my research.I e-mailed you some pictures hope they go through OK http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/3gears.gif

[Motion Camaro]

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Is it turqoise ??

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<font color="blue"> No, both cars are white w/ red interior </font>