trying to decode my 69 rs z28

[70 ls6 convert]

I bought a 69 a year ago, and getting ready to restore it,has been sitting sence 1986,no motor or trans,yesterday i pulled the seats,and found some of those old beer tabs,and old change,it was kinda cool,im searching for a build sheet,its funny i never occured to me that rats could destroy them untell i pulled the rear seat,and found 100s of ,i think acorns?well anyway im having fun taking the car appart,and trying to document it,i took some pictures of it,but not sure how to attach them,any help would be awsome,thanks vin 124379n519306..i founf a date on the inside of the door pannel,8-13-68..i got a picture of the trim tag,il post when i figure it out. it says ,,,st6912437nor126297...next line tr711 57 57 pnt,,,next line 10 b...i fond numbers on the rear end#bu 100801 and the letter e is directly under the 100 numbers ,any help would be great thanks..

[drdave69]

First thing to note is that you will most likely NOT find a build sheet in a Norwood built Camaro.
As for some of the decoding - According to the cowl tag info, your interior (TR 711) is black standard, the exterior paint color (57 57) is Fathom Green top and bottom. Your body date is the 2nd week of October 1968 (thus no X code on the tag).
The rear axle numbers are for a 3:73 (BU) posi assembled on October 8.

[Unreal]

Without paperwork, or original driveline, it's nearly impossible to prove it's a real Z/28. You will have to rely on detective work to "deduce" its origin. Do a search here, and Team Camaro (Camaros.net) to get a list of clues. BU rear is a start, as that was the standard rear on the Z. Of course, it was available on other models, too.

[Salvatore]

Pull the back of the back seat out and look on the X brace on passenger side and read the grease pencil code. Does it have the original radiator? (CB) code on the passenger side tank. How about your carb linkage is it correct? Should be 2 piece and have a bend in it. Single fuel line (3/8"). 7000rpm tach with a redline starting at 6000. Motor mounts on the frame should be #'s 507 and 508. Brake booster if original should be 9204. Metal bracket welded to drivers side rear frame rail (in the wheel well) for the dual exhaust hanger. Hope this gets you started. Sam

[JChlupsa]

1 = Chevrolet
2 = Camaro
4 = 8-cylinder engine
37 = coupe body
9 = 1969 model year
N = Norwood, OH assembly plant
519306 = vehicle serial number sequence

Decode for body number: 126297

10B = Built the Second week of October.
69-12437 = Coupe.
NOR = Built in Norwood Ohio.
711 = Standard Black Bucket Seats.
57-57 = Car Color is Fathom Green

bu 100801 E

BU= 3.73:1 Posi
the E Under the date is for Eaton PositractionDifferential

Seems to be to many numbers in the date though. Check it again maybe 1008 G

Complete code should like like this BU1008G
E

If the 1008 is correct it would show a Oct 8th dating which would put it into the correct timeframe for your car

[DarrenX33]

Nice tip on pulling the back seat Sam. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif Depending on if you have style trim or not. I would expect to see one of the following there. DG3, DG7, X3, X7. It's an early car. I'll bet it is there unless someone was monkeying around with paint back there.

Kris you can send the pictures to me I will get them posted for you. [email protected]

Have fun. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[Salvatore]

Well Darren, You know how the early cars look behind the seat. We clarified each other on that! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/scholar.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[DarrenX33]

Sam, yours was DG3 correct? Actually you should post the pic of your car so Kris knows what it will look like when it's done. You guys are a near exact match.

[Belair62]

Don't go there Darren...I've been trying to get him to send me some pics for a month now !!! He just ain't geeky enough....YET !

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v140/Belair62/wheels/VARGODRAGWAY007.jpg

[DarrenX33]

How the heck did you get that out of him? Sam, come on and geek it up. That looks absoultely awesome!!

[Belair62]

They came by way of GTODON..these are all I could get my hands on !!!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v140/Belair62/wheels/VARGODRAGWAY010.jpg
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[70 ls6 convert]

hey thanks for all the help,this is great. i tride sending darren the pictures,but they come back returned ,must be my slow dial up,i will keep trying ,hey thanks again and merry xmas...to all...

[DarrenX33]

Here they come.

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[DarrenX33]

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[DarrenX33]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v370/darren_costello/DSC00903.jpg

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[DarrenX33]

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[DarrenX33]

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[DarrenX33]

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[Salvatore]

Darren, You did a great job on those pictures. Don't see any R/S equipment on the fender well though. That car needs some work my boy! Sam

[Salvatore]

Thanks Bob for the pictures! I owe M a burn out video of the car also. I will wait till it is good and icey so I can spin the tires. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/haha.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/haha.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/3gears.gif

[DarrenX33]

Kris actually has more that he sent me. Interesting to see what is behind door number 2. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v370/darren_costello/DSC00921.jpg

[Salvatore]

Take it off...Take it all off!!!

[DarrenX33]

*Burlesque music playing* http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif

[Schonyenko2]

I got a nice batch of pic from Sam a while ago. It has to be one of my favorite Zs. Ralley sport, semi day 2d. She looks like she's right off the street in 69, or 70. I'd share, but have been unable to do pics since my last computer crash.
Someone remind me how, and when power steering became available on Zs. I can't remember how that shook out. Schonye

[Belair62]

E-mail them to me Schonye......I have been wanting to feature his car....if thats O.K. with Sam...

[Salvatore]

Schonye is the man. He can send you anything he wants. Thanks, Sam http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[Schonyenko2]

It, may take a while, but I'll get them there. ie; snail mail.

[Salvatore]

Any snow yet Schonye? It is freezing here. Must be 10 degrees. Dropped 30 degrees I think this evening. I guess my wife will snuggle with the dogs tonite! I will just turn on my electric blanket. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/haha.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/haha.gif

[70 ls6 convert]

hey thanks for helping out with the pictures darren,im gonna go take some more pictures first thing in the morning,and i will send them to ya,this site is awsome,thanks guys...

[Schonyenko2]

No snow yet. Was 4 degrees this morning. I was thinkin about turnin on the wife, and givin the dogs the blanket.

[DarrenX33]

Anytime Kris. Welcome aboard. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif

[ QUOTE ]
Someone remind me how, and when power steering became available on Zs. I can't remember how that shook out.

[/ QUOTE ]

That is a good question. I am thinking it was available throughout the 69 model run. And not sure about 67's and 68's. Anyone else care to chime in? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif

[hvychev]

Sam your car looks AWESOME!!! Love the wheel and tire combo!!

[Salvatore]

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif Thanks!

[Salvatore]

Power steering was available in 67 and 68 for the Z/28's. Very few had it.

[Belair62]

...... and then you woke up !!!

[Salvatore]

Leave Schonye Man alone. He is almost froze to death out there on those plains! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/haha.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/haha.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/no.gif

[Belair62]

We ain't exactly fryin eggs on the sidewalk over here Sam !!

[YENKO DEUCE REGISTRY]

Sam, you better not need 'ice' to spin the tires, as much razzin as you give me for the Day 1 look, your burnout better 2x as much as mine http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

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[DarrenX33]

[ QUOTE ]
We ain't exactly fryin eggs on the sidewalk over here Sam !!

[/ QUOTE ]

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/haha.gif

We ran out of room in the freezer for the Xmas ham. It is sitting in the cooler in the backyard. I'd say it's pretty frozen. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[Mr70]

That's very generous of you Darren,Thank You.
We'll be there Saturday around twoish... http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif

[DarrenX33]

Bring a warm coat. I'll set up the patio furniture.

[Salvatore]

[ QUOTE ]
Sam, you better not need 'ice' to spin the tires, as much razzin as you give me for the Day 1 look, your burnout better 2x as much as mine http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
Can I come up and borrow your tires than??? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif
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[YENKO DEUCE REGISTRY]

Of course you can borrow my whitewalls, smoke 'em up!!

[Salvatore]

Put 50 lbs of air in them also. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[70 ls6 convert]

i just sent darren more pictures ,of the car,i found x3 on that back pannel,and there is a plate welded on the left rear frame rail,the numbers on the motor mounts are differnt then the ones they gave me #s3945508 right...394550 left...i couldnt find numbers on the radiator or the brak booster,not sure where to look,sence its a norwood car,does that mean it doesnt have a build sheet,i founf nothing behind the seat back,i found some change under the seat the latest date is 1980,so its been awhile sence anybodys been under the front seat..thanks for all the help..

[DarrenX33]

The money shot. Cool finding these markings.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v370/darren_costello/DSC00934.jpg

[DarrenX33]

Kris with the hood open go to the drivers side of the car by your outside mirror. Look at the back of the booster at the top there is a tab that should have the number stamped on it.

I don't know the motor mount numbers off the top of my head but everything else seems to be matching up.

Don't bother looking for a build sheet Norwood cars don't have them. Keep the money though. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

[70 ls6 convert]

im sure glad i didnt just tear the car down and start sand blasting the body,could of erased those marks forever,i will check for the booster numbers tomarro,thanks alot.by the way the guy i bought this car from in mississippi a year ago,told me it had been sitting for 18 years,he had no idea what happend to the motor and trans,i found the old owners name in the glove box,im gonna try and get a hold of him..kris

[Jeff H]

Sure looks like a legit RS/Z28 and the X3 helps. Are you going to put it back to stock condition with original color?

[Racefan]

Darren-
Forgive my ignorance, but what do the other codes (besides the X3) represent? Is there a place where all these hints are written down? I have a Norwood 68 that was just a 327 car, but don't know what other options it had. Is there a way to tell? I know it had a console, the holes are there. What else can I find out by marks on the body and such?

[DarrenX33]

Cars that didn't have trim tag X codes like early Norwood cars and VN cars usually always have this marking. The theory is that someone marked it there to let the line workers know what the car is when it goes down the line. I have seen a combination of X and then the single number 1-7 (X11,X22,X33 and etc) to identify the car. I have also seen where the X is omitted and the color was abbreviated. For instance Sam's Z has DG3. His car is a style trim Z that is Fathom Green (DG = Dark Green). I also have a picture of markings in the same spot on a base car that is Garnet Red. Care to guess what the marking is? Yep. R1.

Kris' car is Fathom Green that is why I suspected that there could be a DG in there somewhere. But in his case the worker put X3.

Markings have shown up on the firewall. We just had a thread where after mediablasting all the codes were revealed. Here! (http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=0&Board=UBB10&Number=103783&page= 2&fpart=1)

These hints on the X codes are obviously unique to 69 Camaros. I am not sure what might be there for 68s.

[Racefan]

Very cool. Is there anything to help us with the impossible to document 68s? A lot of people have suggested the best way to document a 68 is to never purchase one without tons of paperwork. I guess that is why the majority of the market never really moves on the 68s like the 67s or 69s.

[70 ls6 convert]

Im going to build it back to original stock condition,i never really liked green,but the picture of that green z,in the earlier post looks great,and i would like to buld it all stock.when i bought it,over a year ago it was sitting in mississippi,my buddies and my wife thought i really lost it,being from alaska they asked how you gonna get it home,no motor,i told them i would tow it,well i few days later,my buddie that thought i was nuts for buying the mississippi z,told me he had just bought a 2002 ford passenger van on ebay for his lodge,and it was sitting in dallas texas,he then says i have a propisistion, fly to dallas pickup my new van, pay for my fuel and go get the car deliver the van to seattle,i tlod him we had a deal,so instead of me just going alone,my original plan was to fly to mississippi buy a early 90s chevy truck,a new car trailer,and tow it back to seattle,then ship it to alaska.I brought the whole family,a vcr 12 volt tv for the kids,it turned out to be one of the funnest trips we have ever done,and got to see a bunch of the country,and met a bunch of great people,we would do it again in a heart beat,so with that said ,i must get ready for work,merry xmas to every buddie,and thank you for the help.....kris

[DarrenX33]

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[DarrenX33]

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[DarrenX33]

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[DarrenX33]

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[DarrenX33]

Kris- It looks like someone robbed all the RS internals? Were they there when you bought the car?

[70 ls6 convert]

i think most of the parts are there,the tank is in the trunk,and the doors are open,i looked for the numbers on the booster,no such luck,are the numbers facing the back or the front of the car?

[DarrenX33]

You have to look at the booster from behind. Usually easy when the hood is open you can look thru the crack between the hood and cowl panel. It should be stamped on a pad at the top of the booster.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v370/darren_costello/134-3495_IMG.jpg

[70 ls6 convert]

I would never of looked there? i'll check in the morning,thanks for the help...kris

[70 ls6 convert]

oh and for the record,i didnt put that babie blue primer on those rust spots,it was on the car when i bought it.

[DZ Fool]

I own a Z that was made after your car my vin mine is 549*** . My Question is my car is also a rs z, and what is strange is my front grill was also blacked out like yours. Typically this only done on BB SS cars.However my car is the same as yours with a painted black grill.


Thanks

[DarrenX33]

Welcome Dan. Please post some pictures if you can.

FYI- A rally sport grille should be black unless it was on a black car. Example (http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/90865/an/0/page/1#90865)

[DZ Fool]

The area on the grill I am talking about is on the outer edge around the head lights. you are correct about the center being black.

[DarrenX33]

The outer part of the grille was never black execpt in the case of a black car. If it was it is a sign of an unpainted replacement grille which is actually pretty common.

[Salvatore]

Darren is right about the grille. It was replaced and never painted. My car is (11D) 547 is right before yours, no X code. R/S-Z/28.

[70 ls6 convert]

Well christmas took presadence over working on my car,im back at it, i found what looks like the correct throttle linkage,its bent though,was hiding behind the battery box,i dont see no numbers on the brake booster,ill have to take it off to get a better look,heres a few pictures,

[70 ls6 convert]

Well i just got done working on my z,I pulled the booster off, I found the numbers # 1935 the number 3, could be a 6 its hard to read,?I couldnt post the pictures my internet is to slow,so i sent them to daren.thanks for the help,,kris

[DarrenX33]

Arrrgh!!!

Sorry Kris I have been daydreaming. I'll get them up there.

[70 ls6 convert]

Hey guys still working on the z ,i have a question ? I found some cran markings on the fire wall,just above the heater...looks like an 8 7 then theres another mark i cant make it out thanks kris