68 BB Camaro with 140 Speedo, Yenko Hood on Ebay

[firstgenaddict]

Anyone know the car???
Ebay Yenko (Clone?) (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=6161&item=45132568 76&rd=1)

[Racefan]

That is what I am building! Is that a grotto blue car? That's what mine is.

[mnyenko]

I asked the seller for the vin number. He will only provide that information to the winning bidder. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif

[Charley Lillard]

How did the seller know to say it had a 410 hp engine in it ? Vin only goes to the winning bidder ? That is BS. If there was a chance in hell of someone documenting it by the vin he would have it out there for all to see in order to sell for big $'s. He knows too much to be too dumb. Ask for a pic of the trim tag.

[firstgenaddict]

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That is what I am building! Is that a grotto blue car? That's what mine is.

[/ QUOTE ]
Grotto Blue is Code D right? That is the same color as my GTO although the Pontiac Color is Alpine Blue Metallic.

[Kim_Howie]

Did any 68's Yenko's come with Hounds tooth??

[hugger_69]

Charlie makes a good point on the VIN. Yes the color is Code D Grotto Blue. Same as this car that I just bought. For the record, this is an RS car cloned into a Z/28.
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[resto4u]

I would say the guy selling the ebay car a crook. He uses a different name and email address than listed with ebay. [ QUOTE ]
From: "Omar Herrera" <[email protected]> (Add to address book)
Date: 2004/12/22 Wed PM 01:57:03 CST
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Subject: RE: Question for item #4513256876 - Chevrolet : Camaro
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The vin and cowl tag info will go to the purchaser of the vehicle,I have information that the car was originally purchased from Dana Chevrolet. Please read the add as this is not a documented our verified Yenko nor is there a claim that it is but, it has a lot of equipment that shows the car maybe something special and, it is a very nice car. There would definitely not be any benefit in providing vin and cowl tag information to an individual or individuals that haven’t even bid on the car. I understand that individuals will want the vin and cowl tag info to verify it with the information on the yenko sight which regarding the 68 yenkos is neither complete or 100% accurate. For example Bill & Madelyn Emmerich’s 68 yenko with factory a/c!(why would Don yenko add a fiberglass hood to drop weight off the front of the vehicles and then put it on a a/c vehicle which totally defeats the purpose? Probably because there were more options offered than previously thought) which before it came on the scene a lot of the so called experts were stating that none of cars were a/c cars. Please don’t be offended by e mail as it is nothing personal, just business as my purpose for putting the car on the auction is to sell the car not to have it scrutinized by individuals that may not have any intentions of purchasing the car in the first place. I’m not stating that you are such an individual but they are out there. The car is what it is..a realy nice camaro, possibly something rare. Thanks



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[/ QUOTE ] total BS http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif charley,go check it out and bring your guard dogs http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gifhttp://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/CharleySucks.gif

[Denis]

You could always call Dave Lucas directly. He's active in a BMX forum as a seller, and lists his phone # there:

David Lucas ([email protected])
213-392-4324

[Charley Lillard]

Omar, the seller of the Camaro is apparently upset. He has sent the following email to several of us and I think wants it posted. I'm not sure why he doesn't just post on the site...
"First of all Mr. Hefty member# (628) let’s get one thing straight before you and Yenko.net end up with a really huge lawsuit for slandering my name across the Yenko sight and for the Yenko sight condoning it, in which legal action has already begun being discussed and it would be very easy to win as I have seen the remarks that you have made regarding me on the sight. I am not a crook as you have stated. In my opinion, you are a complete uneducated Jerk! You called me a crook on a nationally publicized web sight because I used a friend of mines e bay account for selling my vehicle? Very intelligent… You have made a very stupid and a very big mistake. Know one is hiding there name or info from you as who are you that anyone should have to hide anything from? My friend is the one who listed the car for me as he had an e bay account already set up and the car was NOT misrepresented in any way as seen in the e mail that you posted on the sight and the e bay add itself, the add clearly states that the car is non documented, and was very clear about the car and very honest about the car’s components. I even seen the correspondence on the sight between you and Mr. Lillard who told you that it was bs that I didn’t want to give you my vin numbers. I don’t have an obligation to anyone on the sight or anyone else for that matter to give them vin #or trim tag info of my car unless I CHOOSE TO. If you had a problem with not being able to attain the information you wanted then why couldn’t you be a man and call me as a number was left on the e bay add which if you had any sense you would have used it. I have proof that my car came with a 410 427 which came with the car when the car was purchased, know one had to tell me.. I.e. casting numbers ECT (for Mr. Lillard). So as for your” totally bs remarks , I think the only bs is your chicken sh-t life and the way you slander individuals name even though you don’t know them, know anyone they know or have ever done one single business transaction with them .It will be interesting to see if you have enough courage to post this e mail on the sight like you did the last one for all the members to see your true colors. It will also be interesting to see how the legal ramifications turn out regarding this matter also."
Omar or whoever you are..Your ebay auction seemed to imply that your car might be a yenko but you were not going to do the homework to find out. The easiest way to find out would have been to supply the vin or picture of the trim tag yet you will only give that info out to the winning bidder. It is obvious that a Yenko will bring a bunch more money than a fixed up Camaro so why wouldn't you give out the info to maximize the sale price. I see the auction ended at 20,000.00 but did not sell. A real Yenko might bring 100K more than what the auction ended at so why would you not provide pertinent info ? You have proof that it had a 410 hp 427 ? What is this proof ? You seem to be trying to attract the Supercar buyer but you won't give them any help ? All the Yenko implications seem to be taking away from the fact that it looks like a nice car. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif

Feel free to chime in.

[427TJ]

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I don’t have an obligation to anyone on the sight or anyone else for that matter to give them vin #or trim tag info of my car unless I CHOOSE TO.

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So I guess he chooses to sell his car for $100,000 below its potential worth.

[Belair62]

Omar...what emblem is on the wheel center caps ? I can't read it...

[Mr70]

Oh my.. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif

[Kim_Howie]

Did any Yenko's come with Houndstooth ??? I still want to know!!!! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/flag.gif

[AutoInsane]

cough... cough.... crook.. cough .. cough

[RichSchmidt]

The sad fact is that the car looks to be a really nice car.Even the hot rodded engine looks pretty good for a knock off.In todays market,if that car is as clean as it looks in the photos,he might get 50 grand for it just based on it being a great looking clone.He had to know that the only way to even begin to attract a buyer for the car as a bonafide supercar,that he would have to release the VIN and all trim tag info,and for 6 figures,I would plan on having any interested bidders coming to see the car before bidding.

But in reality,I have seen guys sell stuff for next to nothing even when they know what it is and how much it's worth,but most of it could be documented.A friend of mine had an LS6/th400 chevelle,factory red with black stripes car with the working cowl flap hood.The car had every original driveline part except the engine was a 1971 CE code 427 with the intake and carb and all the rest off the LS6.The car was a hot rod with 4.88's in place of the stock gears and headers and glasspacks hanging off the bottom,and the body had some plastic,but it was all there,and a clean lookng car.He lost his job and found another one that he had to commute to.He couldnt uproot his family and he needed a reliable car{he had a junker that he drove 3 miles to work when the weather was bad}.He traded his pride and joy Chevelle for a 1986 Monte SS with some chrome wheels on it.The guy selling the Monte only wanted 3 grand for it to begin with{this was in the late 90's}.The Chevelle at the time was worth about 10 grand even at a fire sale price,the car was really nice,but as I said,it did have some plastic under the paint,and it was never frame off restored.He needed money now,and nobody had cash,and he couldnt be bothered with the internet or want ads,he needed money now and was flat busted broke,and this is what he had to do to put food on the table.

I can say I worked the same situation to my advantage,but they guy I just bought my old GTA back from wanted 10 grand for it last summer,and turned down 2 offers,one for 8 grand and one for 7500.He just bought a new Mustang Cobra,and lost interest in the GTA[somewhat rare one of about 250 made in it's color combo and only about 50 with the 5.7 engine in this combo},but he though he was sitting on a gold mine.He got the insuance bill for his new Mustang last month and put the GTA out on the street with a $3500 asking price.It turns out that he racked up a few tickets with his new hot rod and the insurance company wanted 3 grand up front for the next year just to insure it.He had a few hundered bucks alloted for his first insurance payment of the new year and couldnt find an insurance company that would touch him for less then 3 grand up front and 4500 a year.If he wanted to keep his new toy,the GTA had to go.I was waiting cash in hand to buy it back,so sometimes people do sell stuff for a fraction of what it is worth.

A few years back,I made a few bucks helpong a guy out.He was about 2/3 the way through paying off his 1995 mustang combra,when he fell on hard luck and couldnt afford the payments and insurance anymore.He owed $4800 on the car and it was in the book for about $15,000.He couldnt find anybody with cash to buy the car,and the repo man was looking for it.I gave him an 85 Camaro that I wanted $1500 for in trade,and I payed off his car.I sold the car without ever putting it in my name and got $12,500 for it.
So if the supercar you want is out of your price range,dont fret,sooner or later one will turn up in the hand of a desperate indvidual who justs wants out.When that time comes,have your cash ready.

[55chevy]

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif

[Jeff H]

It doesn't look like he ever actually said it was a Yenko unless that was removed from his auction. But regardless, I don't know how you can try and sell something by implying what you think it is and not be willing to give out information like the VIN and cowl tag. It's the same as someone coming to your house and looking at it. So do the potential buyers a favor and list the information you have. Why claim to have documented proof of something and then not show anyone the documentation.

[firstgenaddict]

I got the same email as everyone else did the Omar one.
I agree he knows an awful lot about these cars. It seems as though he either has a real car or has been studying real cars but as for the Dana story ... why does the car have Yenko Centercaps and a Yenko emblem on the tail pan and grille if it is a Dana car?
IMO a Dana car is probably more valuable but not as well known to the Masses.
Ding Ding Ding.
Ah ha I think we may have found the answer.
But then not as well known will attract the informed buyer ...not a good thing if the car is in fact a clone.

[mnyenko]

This car reminds me of a white 68 camaro. It was listed on ebay for sale in FL. Was from WI. Seller thought it was from Dana. Or maybe a Yenko. Same car? Earl

[camarojoe]

I was thinking the same thing....

[YENKO DEUCE REGISTRY]

Car number YS-8042?

[budnate]

YS-U812 ???

[YENKO DEUCE REGISTRY]

No, I didn't eat one too!!

I have some old notes that list a certain Omar Herrara as the owner of a '68 Yenko # YS-8042, and was curious if this car was one and the same. I believe I've spoken to him in the past, but it was many years ago. I'm not sure I understand the secrecy of the VIN# or Trim Tag info, nor the lawsuit threats, it's inappropriate. If you wish to sell an authentic Yenko car, then you have to prove it as such, simple as that!

I'm not sure if his VIN is on our published list or not, nor am I sure if the reference of #YS-8042 is correct, it's just some notes I jotted down many years ago. Maybe he can explain this further?

[camarojoe]

The plot thickens....

[Jeff H]

Interesting. If this car was proven to be a Yenko, would it be the only Yenko with a houndstooth interior? Oops, I just realized I was thinking about the red 69 Yenko with the AC dash when I commented about documentation in my earlier post.

[55chevy]

Why would this email be forwarded to ME by this Omar guy??

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From: "Omar Herrera" <[email protected]> Add to Address Book
To: [email protected]
Subject: FW: Car worshipers
Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2004 23:08:26 -0800
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From: Omar Herrera [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Sunday, December 26, 2004 3:32 PM
To: '[email protected]'
Subject: FW: Car worshipers
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From: Omar Herrera [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Sunday, December 26, 2004 12:43 AM
To: '[email protected]'; 'clill8567@_removemefirst_aol.com'; 'chevy454@_removemefirst_yenko.net'; 'bkhpah@_removemefirst_msn.com'
Cc: '[email protected]'; '[email protected]'; 'copo68@_removemefirst_sirisonline.com'; '[email protected]'; 'lssix@_removemefirst_aol.com'; '[email protected]'; '[email protected]'
Subject: Car worshipers


First of all Mr. Hefty member# (628) let’s get one thing straight before you and Yenko.net end up with a really huge lawsuit for slandering my name across the Yenko sight and for the Yenko sight condoning it, in which legal action has already begun being discussed and it would be very easy to win as I have seen the remarks that you have made regarding me on the sight. I am not a crook as you have stated. In my opinion, you are a complete uneducated Jerk! You called me a crook on a nationally publicized web sight because I used a friend of mines e bay account for selling my vehicle? Very intelligent… You have made a very stupid and a very big mistake. Know one is hiding there name or info from you as who are you that anyone should have to hide anything from? My friend is the one who listed the car for me as he had an e bay account already set up and the car was NOT misrepresented in any way as seen in the e mail that you posted on the sight and the e bay add itself, the add clearly states that the car is non documented, and was very clear about the car and very honest about the car’s components. I even seen the correspondence on the sight between you and Mr. Lillard who told you that it was bs that I didn’t want to give you my vin numbers. I don’t have an obligation to anyone on the sight or anyone else for that matter to give them vin #or trim tag info of my car unless I CHOOSE TO. If you had a problem with not being able to attain the information you wanted then why couldn’t you be a man and call me as a number was left on the e bay add which if you had any sense you would have used it. I have proof that my car came with a 410 427 which came with the car when the car was purchased, know one had to tell me.. I.e. casting numbers ECT (for Mr. Lillard). So as for your” totally bs remarks , I think the only bs is your chicken sh-t life and the way you slander individuals name even though you don’t know them, know anyone they know or have ever done one single business transaction with them .It will be interesting to see if you have enough courage to post this e mail on the sight like you did the last one for all the members to see your true colors. It will also be interesting to see how the legal ramifications turn out regarding this matter also.

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The only thing I posted on this subject was... -> http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif

[Charley Lillard]

Welcome to the club...

[Belair62]

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif I know at least 6 of them had to be returned undeliverable....but...I'm seeing some interesting names included...I suspect a little background prodding going on...business as usual.

[YENKO DEUCE REGISTRY]

He's got me on the distribution too, I guess I'm guilty by association http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif

[Charley Lillard]

Has he mailed everyone on the planet ? Wouldn't it just be easier to post here ?

[Belair62]

He got the addresses from here so he must have registered...

[Mr70]

Ha!
I make a two word generic reply,& he emails me the same form letter.I feel honored.
I see from the addys in the title he sent it to everyone in this topic too.
Omar...you have mail. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[Unreal]

Obviously not an English teacher.

[Rick H]

Might regret this and get a nasty email BUT he doesn't know the law either.
Slander is the words falsely "spoken" that damage the reputation of another.

I didn't hear a thing. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif

Rick H.

[55chevy]

[ QUOTE ]
Welcome to the club...

[/ QUOTE ]


I guess I should be.... honored???? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif

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[55chevy]

Oh by the way.. mine came across with colored text.. the body of the email was Green text and the words "Mr Lillard" was Red.. I guess it was intended to be in the "Christmas Spirit" ?? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif

[bkhpah]

I was on his list too, And I never said a word. I talked to Omar years ago. He contacted me about his car then. I would say it was 8 years ago from memory. I have his phone number from that day. I felt at that time he may have a real car from the info we talked about then. Why I recieved a love letter I do not know. We had nothing but positive conversations. There is something wrong here...BKH http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif

[Belair62]

Look at the address list Brian !!! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif

[camarojoe]

I think theres someone in the tool shed bkh.... http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[Belair62]

Dumb and Dumber ? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif

[firstgenaddict]

If the car were YS 8042 and it fell in line with the other YS numbered cars of YS 8043 which is Vin# 482858 then YS 8042 "could" have been too late a production to be Grotto blue. That color was dropped in Early (calender year) 68 in favor of Lemans Blue. Lemans blue and Corvette Bronze were introduced at the same time and YS# 8037 was Corvette Bronze. (Just something to think about)

[Charley Lillard]

We can speculate all we want or Omar could just chime in and give out the vin or fill us in instead of staying mad in the background.

[firstgenaddict]

True Charlie... Oh so true.

[bkhpah]

I would think in 1968 cars were converted just like 1981. Cars were pulled from stock and converted without real regard to build date. If a customer wanted a certain color it would be pulled and converted from the pool af available cars. There are 67 Camaros converted in early 68. Cars would not be converted as they arrived...BKH

[Belair62]

All the BS with this car aside....a 540 in a Camaro http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/3gears.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/3gears.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/3gears.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/3gears.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/3gears.gif

[Racefan]

Is there really that much logic behind the YS #s? For example, look a this list:
YS8023 412891
YS8024 377575
YS8025 240776
That is quite a span of VINS for three cars with consecutive YS #s. Are there any explanations for how the cars were numbered. Was it like suggested in an earlier post, the cars were converted based on customer demand for color, etc.? If this was the case, it must have been a 67/68 only practice? In 69 the cars were no longer "converted", right? They came as COPOs at that point. And I guess that is why were there cars "left over" that sold after the 69 model year?

I know, I am a little slow but catching on? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif

[Kim_Howie]

I have been hearing that the trim tag on these cars are different. So what is so diff on them?? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/scholar.gif

[YENKO DEUCE REGISTRY]

Racefan, As was noted earlier, these cars were ordered in batches but not converted until sold. The '67 & '68 Yenko cars had a much larger variety of dealer installed items available, so it made sense to wait until the car was spoken for before converting it. The '69's are COPO's, and obviously have the 427 factory installed, however, those that are sold out of Yenko are usually different in some way. When we find a unique Yenko car, odds are that it was sold new at Yenko - they didn't seem to worry about the warranty issue as much.

So, there shouldn't be any consistent logic to the YS# compared to the VIN, Body or Build #'s.

[Chevy454]

[ QUOTE ]
In 69 the cars were no longer "converted", right? They came as COPOs at that point. And I guess that is why were there cars "left over" that sold after the 69 model year?

[/ QUOTE ]
This wasn't exclusive to '69...the majority of the '68 Yenko Camaros started as COPO cars (suspension, speedo, carb), but not all of those cars got converted to 427 power. Brian Henderson (BKH) was probably the first to put that puzzle together... http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/scholar.gif

[Jeff H]

Did the 68 COPO cars come with 15" wheels like the 69's? Does anyone know when during the 68 model year the COPO options started being used by Yenko?

[Racefan]

Good clarification on the COPO status of these cars. I didn't clarify my thoughts well enough, I was only referring to engine. Pretty cool stuff! So, is there really any legitimate hope of finding YS 8042? That car could be any VIN and any build date, couldn't it? A generic question... does anyone have hard suspicions about this car or is a truly a total mystery? For example, does anyone have knkowledge about this car but it is not verified, thus not written down? In other words, is there a possibility that the car we are talking about COULD YS 8042? Any thoughts on where YS 8042 might be or colors/options? I realize that there isn't anything documented about 8042, but is there speculation/folklore about it? Even if the informatioin exists but no one wants to give it out openly...how about just an acknowlegement that SOME info does exist?

[resto4u]

There was a 68 copo, non converted yenko camaro at vettefest this last november. I heard they would not judge the car because they are mis-informed about these cars existence. Roger

[Belair62]

You heard wrong...it was judged in the Spinner Concourse...

[Belair62]

...and I may as well add the rest of the story too....the car scored a Silver Spinner on it's own merit...but apparently the guy who restored it,the owner and the rest of the 3 or 4 groupies decided that there had to be a conspiracy by the SYC to sway the judge and score the car low... http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif...I'm sure a judge values his integrity more than that.. this garbage went on for weeks since they didn't have much else to talk about.Shame of it is the car was very nice...probably not exactly what the judges were looking for...I heard some of the issues from people who attended but no sense in bringing any of it up here...seems like personal attacks are the flavor of the week with these clowns..but we can handle it...I know I can for sure. It's always easier to blame others and come up with mysterious excuses when you don't do well...that why it's much better around here without the few guys that only wanted to start [censored] here...this site is where the real car guys are...not parts whores,not people who just want to make money off you or flip a car or make up some far fetched stories about the history of their cars to try and increase their value...but real people who love their cars no matter what they own.I'm glad I'm here.

[hvychev]

Well said Belair. The $hit talk DOES need to stop. Here is my principle regarding the internet. Have the balls to say what you type about someone to there face. You WILL eventually end up running into them face to face someday...........

[Belair62]

Difference is Frank...I'm still not ignorant enough to use names....this crap should stay private but sometimes you gotta take a stand in public....period. End of story...personal attacks just don't cut it and deserve a response.

[Charley Lillard]

Belair and Frank need a hug ?

[55chevy]

I love you man... http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/headbang.gif

[SS427]

Some day it would be really great for everyone to "bury the hatchet". I recently did just that with a good friend and I feel a whole lot better about it and myself. This hobby is too great and too big for there to be so much controversy over these cars. We are all hobbyists and enthusiasts and are all here for the same reason. Both sides (as well as others) throw punches but somewhere along the line people need to take credit for their mistakes, don't look for blame, shake hands and go on and continue the hobby. These cars are all here for our benefit and for the benefit of our kids to learn about the history and heritage of these cars. If we expect our kids to take a side, we have failed. I have accepted and taken the blame for my mistakes and still wake up feeling great every morning. Its time the others do the same and enjoy the hobby. Both of these sites have a ton to offer and the cumulative information between the two is staggering. Someone has to make the first move......... http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif
Rick

[Racefan]

I agree with Frank Rick, and Belair. Now, back to the topic. Is there any folklore/speculation on YS 8042? I would guess that some sort of story (either confirmed or unconfirmed) has crossed paths with people on this site? Is there a car ou there that the owner claims it is 8042 but cannot be verified, rumors of a fiery crash, anything? I am intrigued now!

[Belair62]

Rick...I too have done that many times in life...but there is no incentive anymore. I have talked to a couple guys who I have respect for...and had some huge laughs off line ...hell we shoot jabs and laugh offline a lot !!! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/haha.gif But next time you turn around it's the same old crap. I think the Pied-Piper over there would be pissed if we became openly friendly again !! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/haha.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/haha.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/haha.gif

[Jeff H]

Does anyone know when the COPO option first became available in 68? Because that would be the only way to get the 140 speedo I assume. Now if this particular car is a color that was discontinued before the end of production and the COPO option didn't show up until the later stages of 68 then is there really an overlap where you could get a Grott Blue car with the COPO option? It just seems odd that Don would have ordered an RS/SS houndstooth COPO car without someone specifically requesting it.

[Racefan]

That seems logical on how to get the 140 speedo. Except you forgot one important way......out of someone elses'car. In looking through catatlogues it seems as though the repop industry isn't making these, true or false?

Problem is, I don't think anyone knows for sure that a car like that was not specifically ordered? I am not saying that this car IS a missing Yenko....I am just trying to figure out how anyone knows it absolutely cannot be. But, honestly I guess the burden is not in disproving a car it is in proving it. So, maybe I just answered all of my own questions?

[Charley Lillard]

I had a Grotto Blue 68 Yenko, YS8013 so that answers your Grotto 140 speedo question.

[firstgenaddict]

Howie the 68 Yenko's had the Magic Mirror trim tag. not the standard one.

[Jeff H]

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I had a Grotto Blue 68 Yenko, YS8013 so that answers your Grotto 140 speedo question.

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Charley, I assume your car had the COPO package. Thanks, that helps eliminate that angle.

[Kim_Howie]

Thanks James, I thought I was being left out. Two questions and NO answers. I need a HUG. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/haha.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/haha.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/haha.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[Belair62]

I was waiting to hear that answer too !!! Also..didn't Firebirds come with the 140 speedo ? Are they the same ?

[JChlupsa]

birds had a 160 speedo, though I cant understand why http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

[camarojoe]

One thing I will say is the 140 speedo in the car LOOKS legit... I have seen repros before that were made from 120 speedometers and the lines between the numbers were incorrect... this one looks the way a real 140 looks, but thats not to say there hasn't been more than one style of repro either... its a weird deal, If the car is indeed real I just can't figure out why you'd hide info that would prove it if you wanted to sell it for top buck. Looks like a cool car, and I wish the big mystery would be solved.

[Jeff H]

It appears that the trim tag would prove if it was a COPO car with the 140 speedo so it shouldn't really be a mystery now. Has anyone seen the trim tag on this car? If it is a realy Yenko, it's just a matter of which one.

[hugger_69]

On December 15th of 67, GM issued a zone letter indicating four colors were being dropped from production and four new colors were being added effective January 2nd 1968. The blue that was discontinued was "Fathom Blue" as they had just introduced "Lemans Blue" into the mix. They did not discontinue Grotto Blue and it was still in production until the end of the production year if I stand correct?. Here is a copy of the letter Jeff C. posted showing the color changes in early 68.


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v99/HawaiianCamaro/GM%20and%20Chevy%20info/GMLetterdatedDec151967detailing4newexteriorcolorse ffectiveJan21968.jpg

This should clear up the Blue issue in the Grotto.

[ANDY M]

The auction ended last week without the reserve being met.
Why not wait until comes up for sale again to keep this thread going?
Also, wasn't the Corvette 160 mph speedo interchangable with the '68 F-Body?

[YENKO DEUCE REGISTRY]

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.... We are all hobbyists and enthusiasts and are all here for the same reason. Rick

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It's nice to think that, but, it's not true. Those that are true hobbyists and enthusiasts are here, the others - well, they have found a home. Notice how long it's been since this site had a meltdown?

[Jeff H]

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.... We are all hobbyists and enthusiasts and are all here for the same reason. Rick

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It's nice to think that, but, it's not true. Those that are true hobbyists and enthusiasts are here, the others - well, they have found a home. Notice how long it's been since this site had a meltdown?

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Not trying to stir the pot, but Marlin that is not an accurate statement. How many people here have flipped a car for a profit? A lot. People on all the musclecar sites have flipped cars for profit. I'm not saying everyone is doing it, but there's a lot of people buying low and selling high and acting like they're in it for the hobby.

[YENKO DEUCE REGISTRY]

Point taken, moving on.

To my knowledge, nobody has a pic of Omar's trim tag.

[Jeff H]

Regarding this 68 Camaro, would this be the only known Yenko with houndstooth interior if it is a real Yenko? If this is a real Yenko, that's a pretty sweet combo with that interior and RS/SS. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif