POP and dealer POP questions

[Jeff H]

First question, who actually stamps out the POP for the car, GM or the individual dealer? I assume it comes stamped from Chevrolet with the car. Then the dealer rubber stamps their information and puts the owner's name on with the GM punch tape. But when someone comes in and buys a car new or used and gets an extended warranty, does the dealer now stamp out a new POP showing the extended warranty? I looked at a JL8 car several years ago and it had a POP with the VIN and some extended warranty information like 5/50 on it. I talked with the owner and he verified it was a JL8 car and he had gotten the extended warranty(and needed it because the heads kept eating valves). The reason I'm asking is because if a dealer did an engine, trans or rear swap, would they stamp out a new POP showing the components that went into the car? For example, if Yenko dropped a 427 into a 68 Camaro, would have stamped out a new POP with the engine code from the 427 even if it was just a CE short block? I'm also wondering about this JL8 car at BJ that has the Nov build date and the Jan rear. If the dealer swapped out the drum rear for the disc rear, would they have stamped a new POP showing the new rear? If it was covered by warranty, I would think they would show some proof to the new buyer. Things that make you go hmmmmm????

Jeff,

I don't think the dealer would necessarily stamp out the new info..For instance on a LS6 I owned (a gold 4spd car) the guy bought the car with less than 2k miles on the odomenter, but technically as a used car ( a trade in when the car was only a few months old..too many tickets by the original owner..:). When he received the POP it only had the VIN and his name and info on the metal warranty card. The VIN was emboseed while his name and address were the "GM logo" tape. The original warranty card (the metal plate) would have had all of the "codes" on it, but also the original retail owners info on "GM logo" tape..So a new plate was created, less codes. I think any "CE" engines or warranty engine, trans, rear work wouldn't have necessiatated a new embossed warranty card (the metal plate). In my experience it depended more on the dealer and whether they followed GM's warranty program as I've seen both ways.

[Jeff H]

But the dealer had the equipment to emboss the VIN so could they also duplicate most of the original information if they wanted to?

[JChlupsa]

Jeff, They did do the replacement or later owners POP's if the warranty was still enforce but I dont think their equipment was set up to do multiple lines. In other words they only could emboss on the top line of the POP.

They probably could, but most service managers weren't going to. Keep in mind that the engine replacement would have been covered under the new vehicle warranty. The fact that a part was replaced under a factory warranty meant that the part was good for the remander of that warranty, or 12 months, 12,000 miles if it was replaced with less than the actual warranty on the part. There wasn't a huge need to document on the POP the actual numbers, since that replaced part carried the remainder of that warranty. Today if a part is covered under warranty then it will carry the remainder of the 3/36k. However if the part is replaced at 35999 it would have a 1 year or 12,000 warranty, which can go outside of the 3/36k factory warranty. Sort of complicated hmm..??

[Kurt S]

Jeff,
Dealers only made the replacement POP's. They have very little info on them.

[elcamino]

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Dealers didn't have the Addressograph equipment to make P-O-P's; when a replacement was needed, the dealers submitted the info to their Zone Office, and the replacement plate (with very little info on it) was made there or at Chevrolet Central Office.

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JohnZ
CRG
'69 Z28 Fathom Green

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Original was done at the assembly plant and generated from the broadcast sheet, look in any assembly manual, it shows it.
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