BJ: Beyond the valley of the lunatics

[njsteve]

"Ferrari Dude" just bought that Oldsmobile show car for $3,000,000. From $2,000,000 to the final bid he was bidding against himself. No other bidders, no other phone bidders. There should be a law against that kind of bait and switch. Watch, the car will be back next year and sell for $150,000. It looks like they found a new "Yellow Jacket Man". Oh, wait, he just spent $500,000 for $150,000 worth of Corvettes. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif

[Belair62]

I just saw Lillard and Shauger...man are they ugly http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/haha.gif

[Jeff H]

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I just saw Lillard and Shauger...man are they ugly http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/haha.gif

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I saw them too. I think Steve was holding Charley's arm down so he wouldn't bid on the Olds! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Everything since that Olds concept car has gone for more than it should so sellers tonight will be happy.

[Mr70]

Unbelievable... http://www.yenko.net/attachments/119785-nutz.gif
Charley got a Haircut.

[GRB]

njsteve - why would he bid up his own price? What is a yellow jacket man? And why would that car be back next year for $150k? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif

[427TJ]

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It looks like they found a new "Yellow Jacket Man". Oh, wait, he just spent $500,000 for $150,000 worth of Corvettes.

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That's the same yellow jacket guy who bought the DY '69 Z last year for 120-ish. The commentators said he sold several Camaros at B-J yesterday.

[Jeff H]

$505K for the Boyd car? Man, these people have really lost their minds. The Olds is supposedly going into that museum in Col so I doubt it will ever be sold again. The insanity continues...

[Chris396]

Looks like the gold Vette is coming!

[Belair62]

Although the dude bid against himself you really can't put a value on that Olds...but 3 mm !! Thats a ton. Did the Motion Vette go ??? Did I miss it ?

[Chevy454]

No, and no...about 15 cars away...

[Jeff H]

How can you bid against yourself? If you're the high bidder at $2 million, there is no need to bid any more and even if you do they should only take the amount it took to make you the high bidder. If there was a reserve, then bidding against yourself to meet the reserve makes sense.

[budnate]

the big guy standing behind the car was going against ferrari dude....did you not see him go get in his face about the car at 2 mill.....

[Belair62]

I am pretty sure he upped his bid ahuge amount just to be a big shot before the other guy outbid him once or twice

[DarrenX33]

Somebody just bought a yellow rod. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/CharleySucks.gif

[Belair62]

With a Hemi !!!

[Jeff H]

How does a 440 6 pack Superbird sell for $100K and a hemi Superbird sell for $280K? I'd rather have the 440 6 pack to drive and I'd be saving $180K! Crazy stuff.

[Chris396]

Maybe, but I'd rather have a Hemi Superbird over a Cuda myself. And the Cuda went over 300 so I guess it's how you look at it.

[DarrenX33]

When you have the bread it doesn't have to make sense. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/scholar.gif

[budnate]

ya'know Darren thats it exactly.....my wife could care less about cars but this has really opened her eyes watching the big dogs play....

[DarrenX33]

Reality TV for car guys.

[Motion Camaro]

Theres a gold motion vette ...

[Mr70]

Someone has alot of spunk in him tonight.

[Chris396]

Brock doesn't like the Motion Vette.

[Chris396]

Seems like a good deal to me.

[DarrenX33]

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/haha.gif

That was funny about 2 days ago. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif

Or was it yesterday. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif

[Motion Camaro]

<font color="blue">$210,000.00 !!!!
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[Chevy454]

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Brock doesn't like the Motion Vette.

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That's an understatement...not only did he call B-M the "Pimp My Ride" of Chevrolet cars, but said if the guy listed it in Hemmings tomorrow he'd only get half that! OUCH!! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif

[Dave Rifkin]

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Brock doesn't like the Motion Vette.

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Because he doesn't even know what it is.....he's supposed to be a car guy. Can you tell he's a Car and Driver guy or what? He doesn't seem to know anything about the musclecars and he doesn't seem to appreciate them at all. Some of his comments are just idiotic. I especially like the one where he commented on the '63 split window coupe when he said, "now if this was a '63 with a big block it would really bring big money". The other commentators had to tell him that they never made such a car. Unbelievable.

[budnate]

spose Joel told ol Brock to go pound sand years ago when he wanted to flog one of his cars for a write up.....

[Motion Camaro]

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spose Joel told ol Brock to go pound sand years ago when he wanted to flog one of his cars for a write up.....

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<font color="blue"> http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/haha.gifIf he didn't then, he should now! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif </font>

[firstgenaddict]

Did Alan say that it looked "Home built"?
He really likes the Euro cars and the road racers but he has no idea about the drag racers or the street racers.

[whitetop]

Th other cutdown was when brock told alan the front end looked like a ferarri and alan said that "he was being charitable"

[Mr70]

I've labeled my MUTE button "ALAN".

[DarrenX33]

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[JoeG]

I thought they cut the bidding a little short--The fella Jim on the phones really wanted this car--and gave extreme signs to the auctioner that he wanted this car--Think it would have gone for a bit more--IMO----
I wished they would have opened the hood at least----
Yeah ,I GATHERED from Brock's uniformed comments, that he didn't care for the car--The "Pimp My Ride" and Hemmings crack was a little over the top Brockie Boy-- http://www.yenko.net/attachments/119850-hifinger.gif

[whitetop]

Them forgein weenies would crap their pants if they drove a real car. I like how they spasm when describing the power of some 90hp sportscar going around a turn. My neighbors farm tractor has more than that.

I think there is also some jealousy at play here. Notice how the american muscle and hot rods have killed the forgein stuff price ways..like their beloved porches and fairies. I think they have "shrinkage" even thinking about it.

[Chevy454]

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<font color="blue">$210,000.00 !!!!
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It would pain me to have to come up with the selling fee on that thing! $16,8k just to sell it?! Gee thanks, Barrett-Jackson!!

[Belair62]

I'd love to go there just to see all the cars...has to be the greatest car show on earth.

[whitetop]

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Gee thanks, Barrett-Jackson!!

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Gee thanks, Barrett-Jackson GIVE ME ANOTHER SIR (in my best fraternity paddling hazing victims voice)

[GRB]

If I had been there and that red Super Bee hemi was well documented I'd be on my way home with it right now! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/burnout.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[DarrenX33]

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I'd love to go there just to see all the cars...has to be the greatest car show on earth.


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I have heard it's quite a party as well. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[musclcar]

i couldn't believe brock yates said that about that motion corvette that was just unbelievable.i hope he gets a few hate emails for that comment !!!! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbsdown.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbsdown.gif

[supercomp 8.90]

old brock yates should take a coffee break when the muscle cars are hitting the block, he has no knowledge of them at all!!! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

[Jeff H]

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I'd love to go there just to see all the cars...has to be the greatest car show on earth.

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Can't argue with that! The pictures Bruce took show an awesome collection of cars. And I'm sitting here in NJ swapping out the steering stabilizer on my 88 4Runner today in 38 degree weather! Man I'm dumb! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/JeffSucksToo.gif

[JoeG]

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I think there is also some jealousy at play here. Notice how the american muscle and hot rods have killed the forgein stuff price ways..like their beloved porches and fairies. I think they have "shrinkage" even thinking about it.

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Pretty funny line Whitetop--- http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif--- http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/3gears.gif

[MosportGreen66]

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Brock doesn't like the Motion Vette.

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Because he doesn't even know what it is.....he's supposed to be a car guy. Can you tell he's a Car and Driver guy or what? He doesn't seem to know anything about the musclecars and he doesn't seem to appreciate them at all. Some of his comments are just idiotic. I especially like the one where he commented on the '63 split window coupe when he said, "now if this was a '63 with a big block it would really bring big money". The other commentators had to tell him that they never made such a car. Unbelievable.

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Thats a good one! 'OL Brock also had to look inside the 1968 Z-28 (NOM car) to see if it had the manual or auto trans package.

$210K for the BM Vette... Isn't that a fair price?

[Belair62]

He asked if the Z was a Powerglide !!! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/haha.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/haha.gif

[Kim_Howie]

Are those NEW ford Gt's worth 280,000 http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif

[JoeG]

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$210K for the BM Vette... Isn't that a fair price?

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Dan, I thought it was a fair price,--I just thought the hammer came down a little quick--All I saw was That fella Jim ,with a phone bid,frantically signaling to the auctioneer to sell to him and boom it was over--I thought he would search a little harder for other buyers since it seemed like it was on a steady climb--"IMO"--The bottom line is, as long as the seller is satisfied---

[hvychev]

Was kind of quick in comparison to the Marlboro Maroon 67 427 435hp Vette that went through tonight that the Auctioneer would not give up on. It seemed like he took the time it would take to send three cars through. Finally he brought a stale high bid of $100K up to $112K. Vettes like that sold for $150K the night before. I bet the seller was ready to blow his brains out with a Desert Eagle .50 cal after seeing the outcome of that Debacle! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[427TJ]

Brock Yates also pissed-off Alan DeCadanet when that silver B-J Lotus Elise was on the block. Yates was hacking on the Elise and said, "There's an old saying: Give a British guy a piece of metal and he'll do something stupid with it." Alan sounded offended and replied, "Brock, I've never heard that saying and I think you just made that up." That was about the most exciting dialogue of the whole day.

[Belair62]

They were pointing out some touch up issues on that maroon Vette...maybe we couldn't see it's real condition..and those Elises are probably a ball to drive...I think they weigh 5 or 6 pounds.

[GTO_DON]

Bob, do you think George bought the vette back himself?? I was under the impression that he wanted 400k for that car. I must be missing something. I think with all the crazy prices that 210 was a deal for the vette. Im surprised he let it go for that.

[427TJ]

And if an owner buys his car back does he still owe B-J the 8% fee?

[Belair62]

No Don...I was talking about the marron Vette where they were pointing out touch ups..what I said was I would have made a u-turn and drove that puppy back home and had fun with it....his daughter had a smile from ear to ear!!! She was on TV with that big grin...bet she is gonna miss Daddy's car ! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif

[gemleeus]

oh really, what if that red super bee WAS well documented and you had a couple other people wanting it also. how high would you go?

[gemleeus]

jeff, if i had what you have being restored i wouldn't let that stabalizer bother me.

[Dave Rifkin]

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And if an owner buys his car back does he still owe B-J the 8% fee?

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Yes, the three idiots said that the seller would still have to pay the listing fee and the 8% if they bought their own car back.

[njsteve]

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the big guy standing behind the car was going against ferrari dude....did you not see him go get in his face about the car at 2 mill.....

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Yeah, I saw the "in the face" at $2 mil, but then Ferrari dude sat in the car and the auctioneer just kept yelling higher numbers, and Ferrari Dude would nod his head. After $2 mil I didnt see anyone else bidding against him. And then that idiot TV wanker starts trying to interview him in mid auction, with intelligent banter like "So I'm a Scorpio, you come here often?"

[Mr70]

The Motion Vette did indeed sell,&amp; is real money bid by another.This from a Friend of mine down there.He said it's going to stay west now.
I believe I heard 8% of the final bid price is paid by the buyer &amp; seller each.As stated on Thursday.
So 16% extra is paid on the final bid,that B/J collects.
Isn't Tony,the one who owns/owned the Motion Corvette,&amp; George is his good close friend? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif

[BUIZILLA]

Either some of those high rollers are really smart, or the rest of us now paupers are real dumb.

Mr Arrogant Ferrari Man was so wound up in his 'tude, he didn't realize the ONLY guy bidding against him never opened his mouth after it reached 2 mil, and then he got in his face. He threw away a cool 1.16 mil of someone's money. Then he's on his knee's and crying? probably doing the same thing today esplaining to the money man how he stupidly threw away 1 mil cause he wasn't paying attention. He could have bought 7 more Corvette's with that savings...

Who was the big guy with the Tennessee hat anyways?

JH

[budnate]

question...The way I understand the bidding is if you are high bidder thats it...the auctioneer will say sir you have the bid or something like that...and look around for the other bidder or a new one...right???...I don't see how he can bid against himself...I understand when its his turn to counter bid he can jump to what ever number turns him on but not bid against himself...I would think if thats the case there would be recourse with BJ as they bid him up with no other bidder.....I agree he was wound up and not using his head but I guess I don't understand the process if thats how it really goes down and sticks...

Bud.

[Motion Camaro]

<font color="blue">That would suk, if the auction house would actually 'let' you bid against yourself,
especially with all the 'helpers' B-J has around.
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[55chevy]

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Somebody just bought a yellow rod. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/CharleySucks.gif

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Must be nice to have BJ money....

oh that didn't come out right.. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif
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[55chevy]

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Brock doesn't like the Motion Vette.

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That's an understatement...not only did he call B-M the "Pimp My Ride" of Chevrolet cars, but said if the guy listed it in Hemmings tomorrow he'd only get half that! OUCH!! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif

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this Brock guy sounds like a real half-wit.. I wish I was able to watch the auction in action.. but I just can't seem to pick it up on the bunny ears antannea... http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/no.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif

[Norm reynolds]

The Ferrari man also bought the 61 Chrysler 300 for 190.00 and Hemi cuda for about 300.00 he also if I remember right bought four Ferraris last year I heard his brother owns Gateway computers and they started a car museum in Colorado

[55chevy]

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i couldn't believe brock yates said that about that motion corvette that was just unbelievable.i hope he gets a few hate emails for that comment !!!! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbsdown.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbsdown.gif

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Hopefully Pantara walked up and bitch-slapped him off camera http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/haha.gif

[njsteve]

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question...The way I understand the bidding is if you are high bidder thats it...the auctioneer will say sir you have the bid or something like that...and look around for the other bidder or a new one...right???...I don't see how he can bid against himself...I understand when its his turn to counter bid he can jump to what ever number turns him on but not bid against himself...I would think if thats the case there would be recourse with BJ as they bid him up with no other bidder.....I agree he was wound up and not using his head but I guess I don't understand the process if thats how it really goes down and sticks...

Bud.

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Someone should forward him a copy of the video of his bidding so he can throw it in BJ's face and say: "Here's my last un-countered bid at 1.7 million. Here's my check for 1.7 mill. If you got a problem lets let the attorneys (and the press) handle it and see how the public feels about your shill bidding procedures."

[55chevy]

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The Motion Vette did indeed sell,&amp; is real money bid by another.This from a Friend of mine down there.He said it's going to stay west now.

Isn't Tony,the one who owns/owned the Motion Corvette,&amp; George is his good close friend? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif

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I think George restored the car and was taking care of all these arrangements around it being at BJ, but he isn't the cars owner. I'm pretty sure he's a close friend of the owner. Another thing to point out is this is the first time a Motion Phase III GT has been for sale publicly this way. And being so few were made and the owners having a tight grip on them, until now there hasn't been anything to base a real "value" on these machines. What do you compare it to?? I think $210k for a nice Motion GT is a strong starting point. The thing about this Gold/Black GT that me and Larry have thrown questions at each other about, is it a BALDWIN sold car with paperwork from Baldwin Chev.?? These days it seems every single Motion prepared car gets labled as a "Baldwin/Motion"..whatever it is.. But doesn't a Motion car sold though Baldwin (a true Baldwin/Motion car) hold a higher value than just a Motion car?? I would think so. So having Baldwin Chevy AND Motion Performance docs on a car would make it worth more than a comparable car that is just a Motion Performance car right? My only question about this GT that just went through Barret-Jackson... is it a "Baldwin/Motion" Phase III GT?? Or is it a "Motion" Phase III GT?? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif I haven't been told whether it has documentation or not.. Magazine articles and fact of it being used in Motion advertising doesn't make it a Baldwin Chevy car.

Another question would be how much more of a value would a Baldwin/Motion car have over a very similar Motion only car..?? I think guys like Mark Hassett, Dan McMichael and Kevin Suydam would have some quality imput on this question.

not making a big deal about it, just wondering a bit. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/headbang.gif

[427TJ]

I think there was a phone bidder on the 3-million '54 Olds concept car and that's why we didn't actually see another bidder going against "Ferrari guy." I'm almost positive it was Ferrari guy against the phone bidder.

Bud's right, you can't bid against yourself. When it's your turn to bid you can throw down a big number to try to knock the other guy(s) out of the running but if the bidding stalls you can't keep yelling out bids without at least one other bidder pushing the price higher. What would be the point of bidding against yourself? Yeah, there's some questionable prices being paid (IMO) for some of those cars but no one out there is paying one cent more unless another bidder makes them.

[gemleeus]

i may be mistaken but i thought i kept hearing the guy say to anna "am i out, am i out"

[Mr70]

Has anybody actually seen a B/J Seller bid to own his own Vehicle back?
We know they allow it,but I'm curious to know how obvious they really are about it?
Is the seller on stage doing it in front of the camera,or do they have a buddy do it for him in the seats,or online,or is the actual seller on the other end of a cell phone bidding just outside the Tent? or... http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif

[Chris396]

It's not a very good strategy for the guy to announce that he will pay any price to have the car while the bidding is going on. I don’t want to sound like a conspiracy nut, but if you got a sucker then a “phone bidder” is a perfect way to get him to keep upping the price.

[GRB]

gemleeus - Maybe it was well documented. I don't know. I know I liked it a lot! I know I have to have a hemi. That 68 Plymouth factory hot rod would be absolutely perfect. But one of the lightweight racers would be even better. It will happen one day. Or I will insist that my wife bury me in one!!! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/burnout.gif

I was 15 or 16 when I looked under the hood of one. I was mesmerized. Still am. Maybe that's what's wrong with me. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif

[COPO]

I would have thought the Motion Vette might have gone for a bit more, but IMHO the people that the BM cars appeal to are not typically "Vette Guys" and the "Vette Guys" like their cars stock.

I was thinking this car was sold from a PA dealer and not Baldwin. That would certainly impact the value of a car, but I think because it is a vette, there is a smaller group of buyers for this type of car versus a BM Camaro for instance. The market has spoken in this case.

[Belair62]

I think you are right on the money COPO....Vette guys won't see enough overspray and glue drips....it was a beauty though....his little girl was sure diggin it on national TV !!! I still can't get over the tail lights on those GT's.

[Xplantdad]

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i couldn't believe brock yates said that about that motion corvette that was just unbelievable.i hope he gets a few hate emails for that comment !!!!


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Hopefully Pantara walked up and bitch-slapped him off camera

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Actually...I walked up to him anonymously and told him to tell his buddies on the show that they don't have a clue....that maybe they should just shut up if they don't know, or maybe do some research on rare and unique cars before they open their mouth...

[mhassett]

Ed, First of all I to think the Hammer came down alittle too quickly. Hood should have been opened and maybe revved it up alittle to get the crowd into it. Most Corvette buyers are purest, also I don't the people on the west coast really know what a Motion car is. The $210,000 was too cheap and I feel he should have maybe bought it back for the 16%. When the Motion was next to my YENKO at GM Carlisle he said the owner wanted $400,000 for it. The car appeared to be mostly a body conversion, the engine seemed basically stock.
Mark

[livettes]

Does anyone that has seen this car in person have anything to add as far as the quality or the extent of the restoration? I also am very disapointed with the lack of respect it received.

[Canucklehead]

i did see it advertised last year for $400k. I have seen pictures of it but seeing it on tv it looked much better. I would imagine givin that, that the car looks better in person. I thought the car went to cheap. I wonder how this will effect the convertable motion vette at $170 that was for sale (still may be) late in the year

[Charley Lillard]

Wouldn't 210K be a record paid for a Motion Vette ?

[Canucklehead]

Thinking that with the amount of yenko camaros out there and a nice one is sitting close to the $200k mark and being that the amount of GT vettes out there i don't think that $210 is out of line.

[COPO]

I think Dan's Yellow/Black Motion Vette was more.

[njsteve]

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<font color="blue">That would suk, if the auction house would actually 'let' you bid against yourself,
especially with all the 'helpers' B-J has around.
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I just replayed the video on the 68 Hemi Dart sale. The high bidder is at $192,500. You hear him being told by one "helper" that he is top bidder, when another "helper" walks right in front of the camera and says: "Will you go to 200?" There were no other bidders at that point as the bidding had stalled at $192,500 and he was waiting for the third and final call before the hammer fell. Now that was the most blatant episode of "BJ-ing" of a bidder I have ever seen.

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/scholar.gif(New technical term: "BJ-ing" = the unethical scamming of a high bidder into raising his own top bid)

[Canucklehead]

Speaking of that Hemi Dart, they admitted that they could'nt verify that it was an original hemi dart and it went for $200K??????

Obviously the bidders moving it up in money figured it was right. Curious though, is that what unrestored hemi darts are going for?

[Chevy454]

Don't know about the Darts, but I know the '68 Hemi Cudas aren't even close to that price...

[Kim_Howie]

Are the Vin#s consecutive on the Hemi cars?? The Gibb nova's are between 40&amp;50 apart. If the Darts are that way you have 1 in 49 chance it isn't one. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif

[PPPJJJFFF]

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Thinking that with the amount of yenko camaros out there and a nice one is sitting close to the $200k mark and being that the amount of GT vettes out there i don't think that $210 is out of line.

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I think your probably right! Patrick

[MosportGreen66]

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Are the Vin#s consecutive on the Hemi cars?? The Gibb nova's are between 40&amp;50 apart. If the Darts are that way you have 1 in 49 chance it isn't one. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif

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Kim... the vins on the Hemi Darts were consecutive. I remember Brock stating this car had a VIN that was within the possible range.

[DaveC68]

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Curious though, is that what unrestored hemi darts are going for?

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I do believe that car is restored...and is the way they were delivered from the factory, gray and black http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/scholar.gif

[Stefano]

Weren't all the Darts and Cudas built by Hurst and doesn't that documentation exist?

There were also some bids tendered from the Bank One hospitality suite, which could not be witnessed from the stage.

[njsteve]

That car was restored to "as delivered" condition, which means no paint and raw fiberglas gelcoated fenders and hood. These cars were factory pick-up only by the race teams. All of the VINS are known. I had one back in the 80s that was a tubbed out race car. I knew it was one of the batch but after I sold it I learned it was the 2nd car built. It was kind of neet as the odometer read .2 (1/4 of a mile).

All the VINS start with B029M8 (barracuda) or LO23M8 (Dart) In 1968 "M" was the engine code for the 426 Hemi Super Stock crossram 12.5 to 1 compression ratio engine

[GRB]

My foggy memory seems to recall these cars being delivered with a sticker or plate that noted 'this car not for street us' and 'no factory warranty'. Windows were thin glass or plexiglass and pulled up with a strap. Now that's what a call a stripper! Viagra on wheels! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/burnout.gif

[Denis]

I saw Galen Glovier near the car in the staging area, and asked him if the car was a real Hemi Dart. He answered enigmatically, "Mostly... but if you want to know what I know, it'll cost you $400."

That did it. He's off my Christmas list.

[njsteve]

Most of these cars were heavily tubbed and are still competitive to this day in their class. From the factory they had thin (easily broken) glass and the doors were half-thickness sheet metal, front end was fiberglass, front bumper was lightweight metal, inner fenders were pounded and rewelded to clear headers, no window mechanisms, just a seatbelt to hold them up, lightweight Doage A100 van seats on swiss cheese mounts and more stuff I'm probably forgetting. The Hemi Dart I had was fully tubbed and the trans tunnel was even enlarged. Too much for me to restore but the guy who bought it from me kept the original outside body shell intact and welded in an entire new floor and frame rails, from front footwells to trunk. An amazing amount of work, but it kept the original car intact.

As for Galen, he makes money rendering an opinion on Mopars. That is how he feeds his kids. Though his best response would be to say: "I cant comment unless I'm on retainer" and then it's up to the person to hire him or not.

[GRB]

Anybody else got wood? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif

[Chevy454]

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I saw Galen glovier near the car in the staging area, and asked him if the car was a real Hemi Dart. He answered enigmatically, "Mostly... but if you want to know what I know, it'll cost you $400."

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Sounds about right...his site lists his fees, one of which is answering 10 questions for $50...

[427TJ]

[/ QUOTE ] Sounds about right...his site lists his fees, one of which is answering 10 questions for $50...

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So Galen Govier is forcing Mopar guys to pay his fee if they want their car's build history confirmed?
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How is this different from Craig Jackson "forcing" sellers to play by his rules?
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Is it that Mr. Govier is okay because he's merely trying to "feed his kids" but Craig Jackson is "greedy" because he's gotten rich auctioning cars?
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[gemleeus]

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[/ QUOTE ] Sounds about right...his site lists his fees, one of which is answering 10 questions for $50...

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So Galen Govier is forcing Mopar guys to pay his fee if they want their car's build history confirmed?
http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif
How is this different from Craig Jackson "forcing" sellers to play by his rules?
http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif
Is it that Mr. Govier is okay because he's merely trying to "feed his kids" but Craig Jackson is "greedy" because he's gotten rich auctioning cars?
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man, y'all are starting to go off the deep end now

[427TJ]

No, just me. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif

[TimG]

When the Hemi Dart came on stage, one announcer said "now here's a real fixer upper". He was corrected by another that informed him it was a factory race car. He probably figured it was some kids car that would sell for a few bucks.

[Xplantdad]

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man, y'all are starting to go off the deep end now

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No, just me.

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C'mon Bill get it out of your system! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

You'll feel better in the long run...A little bitching never hurt anyone!

[427TJ]

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C'mon Bill get it out of your system! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

You'll feel better in the long run...A little bitching never hurt anyone!

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Yeah, just blowing off a little steam... Wife's pregnant, duaghter's pregnant, girlfriend's pregnant. No, the cat's not pregnant---I couldn't catch the damn thing!



Juuuuuust kidding! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[njsteve]

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[/ QUOTE ] Sounds about right...his site lists his fees, one of which is answering 10 questions for $50...

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So Galen Govier is forcing Mopar guys to pay his fee if they want their car's build history confirmed?
http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif
How is this different from Craig Jackson "forcing" sellers to play by his rules?
http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif
Is it that Mr. Govier is okay because he's merely trying to "feed his kids" but Craig Jackson is "greedy" because he's gotten rich auctioning cars?
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Not really. Galen has been researching Mopars for the past 30 years. I knew him back in the old days when I was a tech editor for Musclecar review and Mopar Muscle and he used to write articles for us. He is the person to go to if you want someone to authenticate your car. The same way Ed Cuneen (spelling) certifies the COPO cars. While Mopars are easier to document and authenticate due to their VIN sequence and the fact they all have broadcast sheets, what you are paying for is his experience in being able to tell if the car has all of its original parts, was rebodied or sectioned or just plain faked. He also updates his research over the years. Back in 1987 when I sent him my broadcast sheet and all the original paperwork for my 70 426 Hemi 4-speed R/T-SE Charger he typed out a letter decoding all of the boxes on the sheet. I recently sent him a copy of the broadcast sheet again for an update ($60) and he sent back a much more informative package (also his new info documented that the car is one of one). I think it was worth the cost. So in the end you are paying for someone's experience in telling what is real and what is not. If that's worth $400, 30 seconds before a car goes on the block, so be it. That $400 might have saved you from making a $192,500 mistake. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif

[ANDY M]

This is from Muscle Car Review, September 2001
Andy http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif

[ANDY M]

Under the hood. Magnesium X-Ram intake. Double roller timing chain, etc. etc. ect.
Bad A$$ Mopar. Do not attempt to start this motor at under 55 degrees Farhenheit.
Andy

[Motion Camaro]

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Yeah, just blowing off a little steam...
Wife's pregnant, duaghter's pregnant, girlfriend's pregnant.
No, the cat's not pregnant---I couldn't catch the damn thing!


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<font color="blue"> http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/haha.gif --- That is just good F'n comedy!!! Thankx. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/haha.gif </font>

[Kim_Howie]

So What are these cars worth that have history ,,,,say Drag-on-lady's car??? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif

[CamarosRus]

Article below from CNN/Money on Muscle Car Buying

http://money.cnn.com/2005/01/26/pf/autos/wednesday_muscle_car_prices/index.htm

[Donutblue]

I'm pretty sure that "Ferrari Guy" is Ted Waite's" brother, owner of Gateway computers. All you Gateway owners out there are paying for those $$$$ cars going into his personal display case (museum).

[DaveC68]

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I'm pretty sure that "Ferrari Guy" is Ted Waite's" brother, owner of Gateway computers. All you Gateway owners out there are paying for those $$$$ cars going into his personal display case (museum).

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Speed interviewed him on Sunday, they did not say what his relation was to the Museum owner, who I gathered is the owner of the Discovery Channel, and building the museum in Gateway Colorado. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/scholar.gif

[Chris396]

You know you are rich when you have someone bid for you by proxy who then has the auction helpers bid for HIM by proxy. The guy’s bidding strategy wasn’t very good either. If I owned that Olds I would have bid it up a few times if I had a guy like that bidding.

[Mr70]

I agree.
I think his strategy sucked.He provoked at least one bidder there,&amp; I would imagine someone probably bid the last Million &amp; 1/2 stretch just out of spite.
I'd like to play Texas hold em with Mr.Dramatic.. aka.."Ferrari dude".