Los Angeles 69 Camaro

[MotownMadman]

Is it true that the LA built 69 Camaro's did have a build sheet? If so, was it on top the fuel tank or in the rear seat?
Thanks,
motown http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[tealz28]

My 69 LA Z did not have a build sheet in either place. Build date was 12C.

[COPO]

Many LA built cars have their buildsheet on top of the gas tank.

[DarrenX33]

Hey Motown get any emails or PMs lately? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif

[Jeff H]

My broadcast sheet was on top of the tank.

[MotownMadman]

Darren,
Not ignoring you, just doing preliminary research on the car prior to a decision to sell or keep. Low mileage CA car been in storage 10 years. Rust Free. You asked first, so if sold you have first shot. Thanks guys for the build sheet info.
Motown http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[DarrenX33]

Pull the back seat and look at the rear seat cross brace. Probably an x-code there in grease pencil.

[Late BrakeU2]

My friends was found tucked up under the dash on the pass side.

I have a 10C LOS and there was nothing.I've heard they've been found in the headliner,but mines virgin and staying that way.

[Jonesy]

I found mine on top of the gas tank, drivers side front corner. Drop the tank a little and take a flashlight and see if you see it. I have never heard of a buildsheet for a Van Nuys 69 Camaro found anywhere but there.

[Kim_Howie]

My 67 rs-ss convert had two build sheets it was a 41 opt car wish I had never sold it. Kim http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/flag.gif

[LS6 RAT]

I had a '69 L78 SS Camaro convertible built at the Van Nuys plant, the build sheet was on the gas tank, it is called a Chassis Broadcast Copy, there is also a Body Broadcast Copy sheet as well in 1969, however I have never seen one on a Van Nuys plant built Camaro.

[MotownMadman]

More research. Car has single 3/8 fuel line, has brake junction block attached to frame under driver door. Has plate bolted to the frame over rear wheel on drivers side. The original owners manual is stamped Dana Chevrolet. Has SS emblem on grille but not rear panel. No engine size designation on front fenders. Can not be a COPO as the car has factory air unless added later which seems unlikely. Does have original cowl hood with all mechanics in hood still functional including insulation pad. That does not fit with an SS but could have been added later even though it is a GM hood. Power disc brakes. All rosewood trim interior including steering wheel which looks like walnut instead of rosewood.. No console gauges but has tach and center fuel gauge. Has extra heavy duty rear leaf springs with strange mushroom top looking original rear shocks. Has curved neck 4 core harrison radiator. Many COPO details except not possible with air. Possibly 396/350? Todays project will be pulling back seat looking for chaulk X code and/or build sheet, removing alternator to decipher numbers and codes stamped on current small block which does not appear original as it looks cobbled. Droping fuel tank looking for build sheet. I will also get some pics to post. Anything else I should look for in particular or take pics of that may help here?
Thanks,
Motown http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif

[Steve Shauger]

Cowl hood was optional on SS equipped cars.

[camarojoe]

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I will also get some pics to post. Anything else I should look for in particular or take pics of that may help here?
Thanks,
Motown http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif

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Personally, I'd like to see that Dana stamp on the owners manual.

[MotownMadman]

Joe,
If you think posting a photo of a stamp from a dealer who probebly sold thousands of Chevys in the late sixties will help with info on this car I have no problem with that.....maybe then you could provide some useful intellegent knowledeable input as to understanding the car instead of useless skeptisism and sarcasam? If you would like I can run downtown and take some pics of owners manuals with Berger stamps on them, I am sure they are just as rare and unusual.
Motown http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif

[camarojoe]

Sure, I'd like to see some pics of those too. Show me scepticism or sarcasm in my post... I collect memorabilia as you know, and would like to see what a Dana stamp looks like... excuse me for asking. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbsdown.gif

[MotownMadman]

Sorry Joe, I would have guessed that you had a bunch of Dana stuff. No offense intended, just a bit edgy lately with B-52's flying overhead on a daily basis. If you would like I can copy the back page of the manual and send it too you.
Motown http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[Z28DZ]

A curved neck radiator would be used on a BB Camaro w/AC.

[NEW]

Dont think it is a 396/350hp, to my knowledge they have return gas line also. One of my cars is a 69 396 / 350 hp, also with air, it has the curved neck radiator. I dont know if that was standard on only the BB, or if it also came on the SB's together with AC.

NEW

[DarrenX33]

Dual fuel lines on 325 and 350 horse 396s. L78 would be single.

[camarojoe]

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If you would like I can copy the back page of the manual and send it too you.
Motown http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

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Just post a pic of it right here. I'm guessing I'm not the only person who would like to see it.

[LVCamaro]

For what it's worth, the 2-3 Dana cars I've seen were hand written instead of stamped.

[camarojoe]

Even more reason I'd like to see an original stamp. I have never seen one before... post some pics.

[JChlupsa]

Very interested in anything DANA as well:) what other papework is with the car anything.

[firstgenaddict]

I didn't think that you could get a L78 with A/C or was that a first for 69?

[Z28DZ]

AC was not available for solid lifter Camaros in '69. SB Camaros with AC did not get a bent neck rad. The bent neck on BB Camaros was to give adequate clearance for the top rad hose from the AC compressor http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/flag.gif

[Astock]

Here's a stamping of a P-Plate from a car sold near Dana.Nothing in the owners manual and the same with the other's that I have from S.California.I've owned a couple of Camaro's that were sold new from Dana and I don't recall anything stamped or written in the owners manual.Maybe it was something new for '69.I know it only took me a whole two minutes to grab the camera and post a picture.

[firstgenaddict]

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AC was not available for solid lifter Camaros in '69. SB Camaros with AC did not get a bent neck rad. The bent neck on BB Camaros was to give adequate clearance for the top rad hose from the AC compressor http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/flag.gif

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That is what I thought. So either someone took the time to remove the dual fuel lines and install the single one OR someone put A/C in the car OR ???

[camarojoe]

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Joe,
If you think posting a photo of a stamp from a dealer who probebly sold thousands of Chevys in the late sixties will help with info on this car I have no problem with that...
Motown

[/ QUOTE ]

Any luck in getting a scan of that Dana Chevrolet owners manual? You can e-mail it to me if you wish, my e mail address is [email protected].

[DarrenX33]

What is the sound of moss growing?

[70 ls6 convert]

I think its more like a smell?

[DarrenX33]

I knew it was something. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[camarojoe]

Motown,
Any luck on getting a pic of that Dana owners manual? You can send it to me via e mail if you prefer. Thanks -JB

[MotownMadman]

Joe,
Just waiting on dropping the tank so I can hopefully also send you a copy of the build sheet if LA cars prove true to the fact that there should be one on the tank. Anyone have any prior experience with a 69 Camaro tank/build sheet I would apprieciate any ideas on the best way to go about it. Are they glued on? If so, take a photo and leave it in place? Any neat tricks on removing one without causing damage? Also, found the car does have the second fuel line, it has been cut and crimped off along the subrame behind the engine. The AC box looks somewhat cobbled on the firewall, different bolts/nuts, lacking mounting seals etc, etc. AC dash pad was once dark green then dyed black many moons ago.
Thanks,
Motown http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[DarrenX33]

325 or 350 HP 396. Still a cool car. How bout some pics of it?

[MotownMadman]

Darren,
I am going to try and make today (Sunday) photo day and grab pics of this car and the Chevelle I have posted in the For Sale section. I would much rather be at the beach taking pics of Bikini's with women attached to them, but Michigan right now would only have one advantage at the beach, no expense for ice in the beer coolers. Also makes more room in the coolers for beer, and less people on the beach trying to drink your beer............Heck, I almost got myself talked into it, I better quit thinking of all the reasons it would make sense.........
Motown http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[camarojoe]

While it would be a cool piece to find, I don't really care about the build sheet so much as seeing what the Dana stamp on the owners manual looks like... not to mention the fact you don't have to tear anything apart to get to that... please post a pic of it. Thanks

[MotownMadman]

Joe,
Will do, going to the garage where the car is this afternoon. I will get it posted Sunday evening or Email it depending on which the owner would prefer.
Motown http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[DarrenX33]

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I would much rather be at the beach taking pics of Bikini's with women attached to them

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God I can't believe I'm gonna say this... But I'll pass on the bikinis and opt for the pics of the car.

[Mark_C]

Ohh, that is sad.

[Charley Lillard]

You usually can see the tank sticker hanging off the drivers side of the tank by looking over the rear tire. If it is there just drop the tank and dust it off with one of those real soft dusting brushes. Then take a good digital pic. Then I would cover the sticker with clear plastic, seal it with tape and put the tank back up in the car.

[olredalert]

Motown,

-------If the tank sticker is there get another tank and put that one somewhere safe and protected. We have been doing that with Vettes for years now..........Bill S

[MotownMadman]

Darren,
You are in need of some serious help. I love the hobby as much as anyone, but come on, you got to be kidding, right? Maybe you need your memory refreshed, the links are to some theraputical photos. The first is my wife on the left and OUR girlfriend on the right. Ya, thats the way it is, after all, I am a collector, right? Any of you guys happy with just one car? This is one place in my life where all is extremely well. The second and third pics are of the girlfriend, it is Hell when you got a wife that you have to compete with!
Motown http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

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[70 ls6 convert]

I found my build sheet on the tank of my 69 z,by accident,for the life of me,i could not get the 302 to quitt fouling plugs,the year was 1988,I asked my shop helper to pull the tank and drain the old fuel,sence it was sitting for a few years,he yelled across the shop whats this piece a paper on the tank? sure enough it was a build sheet,We carfully just pulled it up and slid a putty knife under to help pull it off, it worked slick!! I still have the car and it still fouls plugs?

[DarrenX33]

So was today a "photo day"?

[camarojoe]

Apparently not. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif

[MotownMadman]

Joe,
The owner wasnt home yesterday, just chill, I will get it handled. I didnt think it prudent to break into his building, I get in enough trouble around here without adding to it. Somehow I dont think the local boys in blue would go for the "Im just here to take a photo" explaination. The car has been sitting for 15 years so I dont think it or the owners manual is going to get away. If technology was up to it I would Email you a couple Valium, I dont think Dell or Gateway has that mastered yet.
Motown http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[camarojoe]

OK, I'll wait and see... its been 14 days since I asked, and i've patiently waited, so I don't think there's any need for valium on my end. Let me know when you have a pic. -JB

[DarrenX33]

Hey Matt, Understand we are going on almost a month and all have been asking for pictures of various types. Kinda wondering what is going on. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif

Since the garage was closed and now that your back how bout filling us in on the Prototype ZL1 you found last year? What's going on with that. Ever get any more info or pictures of that??

[MotownMadman]

Darren,
I wasnt aware of any photos other then the one concerning this thread being asked for, As for anything in the way of a car I may be working on locating or aquiring for someone who can afford it, I learned it best not to discuss it here as there are some on this board who just like to keep stirring $@#*. The whole purpose of this thread to begin with was to gain some useful information, which I have from most who posted. I dont mind helping anyone with anything, but I am certainly not going to go out of my way for anyone who is just trying to start $#@*. So, if you an interest in something I may be able to help with, treat with respect and you will be treated with respect in return. This thread has been taken way off track from what I was initially asking, so if we cant get it back in the right direction we may as well have a moderator lock it down. Unlike the past I am trying my best to behave in a civil manner so as not to waste time for everyone who comes here to learn something, myself included.
Motown http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[DarrenX33]

Matt I have asked you for info on this car since day 1. I started privately several times and you failed to respond. Then you brought the content of my PM (note PRIVATE) out in the open. I continued inquiring openly and you have yet to produce anything. Sorry man, you just have a history of not following up on stuff. This is just more proof of it.

Respect? Where here did I disrespect you? I am pretty sure I made inquiries about info on the car, tips on how to decode it and comments on it being a nice find. Maybe I am missing something here?

[camarojoe]

no need to lock any threads, just post the pics of the Dana stuff when you get them!

[MotownMadman]

Darren,
You know nothing about me or my history. I have one bad situation that was out of my control and the gossip is off and running. If I dont follow through you may want to look back on this board at the people I have brokered high end cars for, and delivered on what I said. Prior to the situation that had caused me not to be around for a bit I had a Ebay rating of 99% positive withover 300 transactions. If you have a personal problem with me Darren, lets take it off this board and quit wasting everyones time here. My Email is on my profile page. Nuff said, Ok?
Motown

[DarrenX33]

Sure, I have sent you email before and PMs. That's why we are where we're at now. I'm done, lesson learned. Good luck with the car.

[MotownMadman]

Thanks Darren.
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[70 ls6 convert]

Any luck with the pics? Im still waiting!!


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[hvychev]

Were all waiting Motown.............

[Jeff H]

D@m, you guys are impatient. He already stated that the car and docs belong to someone else and it's a matter of coordinating with him to get the pics. Take a deep breath, relax, everything is gonna be ok.

[Hylton]

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....The first is my wife on the left and OUR girlfriend on the right. Ya, thats the way it is, after all, I am a collector, right? Any of you guys happy with just one car? This is one place in my life where all is extremely well. Motown http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

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You lucky B@stard! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif

[MotownMadman]

Thank you Jeff, nice to see there are still gentlemen out there. As you stated, I will get it done as time and co-ordination permits, It is not as if all I have to do in life is to please a group of spoiled brats.
Motown

[DarrenX33]

Shall I reply here or were you thinking of someone else?

[MotownMadman]

Someone else Darren, when I get a free moment I will answer your Email, I do believe although there was pressure here that was and is not necessary I do owe you an apology for saying some things by reacting with emotion rather then thought and common sense. It is as Jeff said however, it is not my car to just do as I please when I please, but I will get the request handled. The thing has been sitting fifteen years so I dont think it or this board are going anywhere, The Email I will be sending you will give you a bit more insight as to who I am and how things go in my world. That is really the only thing you had said that pushed my buttons as you really dont know anything about me so I will take the time to bring a little bit of understanding between us as I have heard you are a good guy, rather then two people with the same love of the hobby alienating each other it makes more sense to be able to work together.
Motown http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[camarojoe]

So who are you referring to Motown? Sorry I asked for a pic of something you originally said you would e mail me the following day. I still am asking, I wil ask in a month from now too if you still haven't sent me one or posted one. Hopefully you will meet up with the owner of this Dana Camaro and I can quit asking. How is the build sheet removal coming?

[MotownMadman]

Joe,
The point is this. As soon as I am able to catch up with the owner of the car who owns a carpet business and works a lot of of town I will get the photos of the car and get them posted or Emailed whichever the owner prefers. Also, no one has stated that this is a Dana Camaro for sure yet either, having an owners manual with the Dana name on it does not yet prove it is a Dana car. As for asking, you only have to ask once, as Jeff said, when I have the opportunity to make it happen it will. I am starting to get a bit worn about this same discussion, if the subject is left alone until I get the photos I will satisfy the requests. If I have to keep repeating myself about this when I get the info I will Email it to those who have not been bugging the hell out of me. If that is not good enough then oh well.........
Motown http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

[Supercar_Kid]

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It is not as if all I have to do in life is to please a group of spoiled brats.

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Are we to assume the "spoiled brats" are the same general group of sYc members who you came calling on in the first place to get the info you needed to find an LA Camaro build sheet? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/bs.gif

[camarojoe]

[ QUOTE ]
Joe,
The point is this. As soon as I am able to catch up with the owner of the car who owns a carpet business and works a lot of of town I will get the photos of the car and get them posted or Emailed whichever the owner prefers. Also, no one has stated that this is a Dana Camaro for sure yet either, having an owners manual with the Dana name on it does not yet prove it is a Dana car. As for asking, you only have to ask once, as Jeff said, when I have the opportunity to make it happen it will. I am starting to get a bit worn about this same discussion, if the subject is left alone until I get the photos I will satisfy the requests. If I have to keep repeating myself about this when I get the info I will Email it to those who have not been bugging the hell out of me. If that is not good enough then oh well.........
Motown http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

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Whatever then. Perhaps to avoid this sort of "bugging" in the future, wait until you have the pics in hand before broadcasting to the world that you'll gladly e-mail them to anyone who wants to see. I'll honor your request and just let this story fade away like the rest. I honestly just wanted to see a pic of what a Dana ink stamp looks like, because i had never seen one. ...Still haven't as far as that goes.

[MotownMadman]

Supercar Kid,
I was not referring to you or 99% of the board members here with my most. Nearly all who posted in this thread had some positive helpful input to offer as to the location of the build sheet. I apprieciate that help and I am certain then when I can get behind the locked doors of where the car is at that the info I recieved here will help a great deal with the build sheet location. Darren, you asked first and I do apologize for not answering your initial quetion about the car possibly being for sale, if it is you will have first shot at it. I made a mistake when I used the term Brats, it should have been Brat. I re-read the entire thread to find that 13 posts have been made by Joe all concering the same issue, asking for a photo of the owners manual which I still have no problem with, but in all thirteen posts it seems onesided as no positive input has been offered by you to address my initial question. The whole concept of this board is a two way street, you give and you get. If I have offended you in the past Joe I wasnt aware of it, but what ever the case just give it up, Ok? I do not respond well to the pressure that comes with 13 posts all regarding the same thing, what you want. After I have the opportunity to take the photos you can get them from any of the board members who were helpful in this thread as I will Email all of them the photos I take. It takes all kinds to make the world, everyone dont get along, so you go your way and I will go mine. If you wish to continue this crap then lets take it off the board as this is just a waste of everyones time. The amount of time I have spent responding to your repeated statements I could have got the photos taken. Dont go away mad, just go away.

[camarojoe]

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The amount of time I have spent responding to your repeated statements I could have got the photos taken.

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Amen to that.

[DarrenX33]

I appreciate you apology Matt. Looking forward to any info.