"Mindbender" '68 Phase III story

[427TJ]

This is from the January '69 Rodder and Super/Stock magazine report on driving the B-M '68 Phase III Camaro. Joe Oldham, who also wrote for Cars Magazine, wrote the report.

[427TJ]

Here's the first paragraph from the article. Great story.

[427TJ]

Engine photo.

[427TJ]

Front view.

[427TJ]

Another shot. According to the article, "ML 8907" (plate) was Joel Rosen's personal car and used for demonstration purposes.

[427TJ]

Trunk SS 427 "status emblem," as Motion called them.

[427TJ]

J70x14 tires in front L60x15 in back!

[427TJ]

Joe Oldham looks under the hood.

[427TJ]

"Beefed" rear with additional welds and traction bars.

[djunod]

Thanks for sharing!

That's what I'm going to make my '68 Camaro look like... only it will be Butternut Yellow with a Black stripe... getting closer all the time.

[427TJ]

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Butternut Yellow with a Black stripe...

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I can name that tune in two notes. See pic. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif

[djunod]

I'm unsure if I'll mix in the bumble-bee stripe or not... I'll have to mess around with PaintShop first to see how it looks.

I'm picking up my stinger hood on Saturday from Rick's First Gen... they have the one from that guy in NC that everybody recommended. They said that they just got new ones in and they are even higher quality then before.

[JoeG]

That Motion car was a very cool looking car----How far along are you with your Motion project?

[Jeff H]

Looks like that 68 is an original big block car from the pictures. You can see the big block heater box. Gotta love those huge tires sticking out.

[JoeG]

Yeah the Mallory coil is right above the box--And this car is using the Mallory CD ignition box---

[Pantera]

Boy I hope I am not seeing what I think I see? Looks like the old '66 Nova rearend with bolts holding the lower plates to clamp the leaf springs without a U-Bolt over the axle!

I remember a guy here that will never walk without pain because he hit 3rd gear in his 2 month old 350hp '66 Nova and the rear end twisted completely out of the wields at almost 100mph. Totaled him and the car. Chev even went back and redid all the cars they sold with a recall and retro fitted them with a Ubolt over the axle. Very dangerious without them.

Pantera

[JoeG]

I had the same problem with the first ladder bars that were first installed on my car,they were welded to the axle,--snapped the ears connected to the axle--they came out with bolt over ladder bars later, but it was decided to go with ET bars with steel bushings---

[JoeG]

Here's a photo of the early NMW bars used-- http://www.yenko.net/attachments/122128-Scan0008.jpg

[MosportGreen66]

How wide is an L-60 tire http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif ?

[djunod]

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That Motion car was a very cool looking car----How far along are you with your Motion project?

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Click here to see the progress: '68 Camaro (http://www.makoshark2.com/cars/68camaro/).

Right now it has a small block. In September I will upgrade to a period correct 454 and a period incorrect Gear Vendor overdrive (most people won't be able to see that anyway).

[Pantera]

Those Look they are for a Chevelle and chevelles have contol arms that will keep the housing from rotating around the pinion gear and causing a wreck. Usually you will loose the driveshaft rear ujoint up against the bottom of the car. But on the Chev II's they had nothing that went over the rear axle where it fit on the spring and the dam things were killers. when the wield would break and it did when you put enought torke to it, then the entire rearend had nothing but the driveshaft holding it under the car. If you were going fast enought it would cause a hell of a wreck.

I bet it cost GM a bunch of money back then. They had the same set up out for 3 to 4 years until the horsepower of the 327 HI Per motors suddenly started to twist the entire housing out of the cars. simple solution was to just replace the bolts with a U bolt and problem solved.

I would bet someone here has the service order or what ever they called it.


Pantera

[427TJ]

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Looks like that 68 is an original big block car from the pictures. You can see the big block heater box.

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I read somewhere that Joel Rosen preferred that buyers order a L78 car and then do the Phase conversion from that starting point. They'd pull the L78 and sell it at the Baldwin parts counter. The picture shows the Baldwin Chev. parts counter circa-1968 and you can clearly see a L78 engine---probably yanked during a Motion conversion. (The original photo shows the "396" air cleaner sticker clearly.)

[JoeG]

---Very organized list--Should look super--Will it be burning rubber by summer http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/burnout.gif
Is the same fella who did your Macos, doing the panel work??

---------------------------Your right Larry about the welded spring perches--like you said as power increased so did suppport.I showed that picture of the ladder bar , to show almost everything was welded back then as the cure-all solution,but it did need support to handle the stress---I wouldn't have wanted to be in the car when the spring perch let loose on a power-shift--------

[djunod]

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Will it be burning rubber by summer http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/burnout.gif
Is the same fella who did your Macos, doing the panel work??


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He's supposed to be done with rear half by the end of next week (which includes priming the rear half). I'll then get a quote from him for the time & money to paint it. I hope to have it back by April or May. Drive it all summer with the small block.

No, Fiberglass Specialties (http://makoshark2.com/fs/) only does Corvettes. The guy doing my Camaro has an excellent reputation for doing classic cars... just that he has limited time... also does collision work (and a contract for all FedEx vehicles in the area).

[JoeG]

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How wide is an L-60 tire http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif ?

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[427TJ]

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How wide is an L-60 tire http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif ?

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I made a typo---the photo caption says L70x15 not 60. On that 8-inch rim the tread looks about 8 inches across. Now that's a big'ol tall 70 if you ask me!

[djunod]

Anyone know where this car is now?

[MosportGreen66]

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How wide is an L-60 tire http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif ?

[/ QUOTE ]--------------------Down Dan-- http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

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YOU GUYS ARE THE BEST! HAHA!
I wonder what barn this car is resting in??

[JChlupsa]

anyone have a VIN of the car

[55chevy]

Bill, post all the Motion stuff ya got! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

btw, does anyone know what color that '68 Phase III Camaro was??? Every pic I've ever seen of it is in B/W.. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif

[427TJ]

Ed, I gotta' trickle this stuff out or I'll run out of it too fast!

As for the color, it looks like it was black. See attached photo from the October '68 Speed and Supercar magazine.

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif

[djunod]

Very nice... I liked it so much I just had to "clean" it up a little...

http://www.yenko.net/attachments/122232-1968-09-Cover-100.jpg

I'm torn now between the choice of butternut yellow & black stripe and black & silver stripe.

[427TJ]

How do you post photos that way, right in the body of the post? Is that the "photobucket" thing?

[djunod]

Nope... you post the image as an attachment, then view the attachment, copy the Address shown to the clipboard, then edit the message, and add the Address as an image.

Simple really http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/scholar.gif

[427TJ]

Yeah, let me write that down. . .

Thanks, I'll give it a try. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[55chevy]

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Ed, I gotta' trickle this stuff out or I'll run out of it too fast!



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Bill, trickle a little faster!! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[cobraracer]

I realize I'm drifting way off topic but djunods S&S cover post got me thinking how cool it would be if there was a 'gallery' where you could post or check out old photos. I have a huge collection of old car mags (CarLife,Speed& Supercar, HotRod,CC,SS&DI,Cars Ill,C&D,R&T..etc..)from 1956 to about 1980. I keep thinking what a waste to have them sitting in storage boxes when I know there's alot of awesome photos & articles in them that could be appreciated. A neighbor began saving them at 15yrs of age then a few years ago decided he was going to throw them all away because he "didn't think anyone cared about articles on old cars anymore". When I told him I was he gave them to me so I won't sell them but I wish I could share the info they have. Friends are always asking to look thru the 'Library', even the ads are cool.

[RPO Z 28]

Cool stuff! I wish I would have been born a few years sooner! <font color="brown"> </font>

[Xplantdad]

Much easier using the photobucket thing!!!

[Xplantdad]

Bill,

To use photobucket...go to Photobucket (http://www.photobucket.com) and sign up for a free account. Once you've done that, then upload your pictures to photobucket. You can do them one at at time, or as many as 19 at a time!
Once they're uploaded you'll get a screen that looks like this:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v645/xplantdad/tn_Photobucket.jpg

All you need to do then is copy the circled IMG file and paste it into your post that you're typing and hit submit...it's that easy!

[Belair62]

You did well grasshopper !

[Xplantdad]

Oh thank you great master...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v645/xplantdad/kungfu.jpg

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif

[Canucklehead]

Whats the point of this photo bucket?. I have a wack of photo's already saved on my comp. Is it just a way to save space on your comp or is there some other reason to use it? I have even more that i saved to a disk.

Are you sure the car isn't British Racing Green? It can appear black..

[djunod]

I took the picture to my body guy today... he thought it was a dark blue. But now that you say it, I can see the green as well.

I told him I'm going with Black &amp; Silver though... go with the Maco.

[Jeff H]

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Whats the point of this photo bucket?. I have a wack of photo's already saved on my comp. Is it just a way to save space on your comp or is there some other reason to use it? I have even more that i saved to a disk.

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No, most web sites won't allow you to post pictures unless they are linked to a website. You can't link pictures on your hard drive. So you would need to upload the pictures from your hard drive to a site like Photobucket, then you can link the pictures for everyone to see.

[JoeG]

The car was black--looks like the car was parked on grass when they took the photo (color reflection)--

[djunod]

Do you have any color pictures of it Joe?

[JoeG]

No--I had seen the car at Motion ---I was at the car show back when and it was black--

[55chevy]

Joe... why didn't you just camp out at Motion with your camera back then??? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif

[JoeG]

Me and a hundred other guys-- http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

[Mr70]

Joe was to busy buying parts back then. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif
http://www.yenko.net/attachments/122148-BaldwinPartsCounter.JPG

[djunod]

This is from the inside front cover of the October 1968 Speed &amp; Supercar magazine.

http://www.yenko.net/attachments/123534-SS-1968-10-cover-inside.jpg

[djunod]

The full cover

http://www.yenko.net/attachments/123537-SS-1968-10-cover.jpg

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COVER: If you're looking for the ultimate mind-bender, this is it! Phase III SS-427 Camaro is the only supercar offered in the world which is guaranteed to run 120 mph in 11.50 seconds or better on a sanctioned NHRA-AHRA quarter-mile track. A full-scale test appears Page 39 of this issue. The engine is the aluminum-head L-88 which is an extra-cost option on the Camaro.

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[Xplantdad]

That is way cool...get one...before one gets you!

Classic http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif

Thanks for posting the pic!

[djunod]

Contents:

Exclusive Coverage
Converting a Vette into a B/Gasser
Ramming Holley's Three-Barrel Carb

Supercar Road Tests
Dodge's 383 Sensible Super Bee
Chevy's Phase III SS-427 Camaro

Bonus Color Spectacular
Mr.Bardahl's Chevy Stockers

Performance How-To's
Blueprinting the 428 Cobra-Jet
Build a S/S Hemi Plymouth
Side Pipes for the Camaro &amp; Vette
Weber Varoom for the VW

Street/Strip Specials
The Number One Team
Stardust Charger Fueler
Super Swift Southern Super
Show-Biz Supercar
Dodge Stocker Roundup

Departments
Supercar Scene


pretty cool... shows how to install the Corvette sidepipes on the 1st-gen Camaro.

[djunod]

Inside cover of December 1968 Speed &amp; Supercar.

http://www.yenko.net/attachments/123552-SS-1968-12-cover-inside.jpg

[427TJ]

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Are you sure the car isn't British Racing Green? It can appear black..

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That color photo on the magazine cover was shot under a blue sky. I think the car was black and it was reflecting the sky, grass, etc.

[djunod]

I know that nobody really cares about this car now... but here's another picture of it anyway.

http://www.yenko.net/attachments/124417-MCR-1968-p1.jpg

Anybody happen to know what issue of Muscle Car Review this article is from?

[JoeG]

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gifperiod photo---------It also answers the question of the White camaro---Joel had said it was a gold color , but wasn't sure if it was a 350 or 396--this article confirms both questions --- http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif--I think Supercar kid was leaning towards a 350----Erik you win a cookie http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[COPO]

Awesome Photo. Like to know the issue as well, I am sure I have it, but finding it is another story.

[djunod]

I've got more crappy b&amp;w photos of the Supercar Club Camaro... it always appears white.

That article can't be all that old, because Muscle Car Review isn't that old of a magazine. I just got the 2 page article off of e-bay recently, the guy didn't know what issue it came from. All the photos came from Joel's personal collection.

Would be cool if Mad Mike could scan all of Joel's photos for him http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif I'd even drive down &amp; help http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

There's also mention of film (probably super-8?) footage as well... that is disappearing.

[JoeG]

This seems to be the car when it was a gold color---'67 photo------- http://www.yenko.net/attachments/124427-Scan0019.jpg

[djunod]

Here's a black '68 version...

http://www.yenko.net/attachments/124470-black-supercar.jpg

From Dec 1968 Speed and Supercar.

[djunod]

1967 Supercar Club Camaro

From Dec 1968 Speed and Supercar magazine, from a Motion Supercar Club ad.

http://www.yenko.net/attachments/124477-1967-supercar-camaro.jpg

[djunod]

The full ad...

http://www.yenko.net/attachments/124478-Supercar-Club.jpg

[Mr70]

Is Xeroxed that ad &amp; sent in $5.00 with a nice letter requesting membership last Fall..
Tilden Automotive sent me a nice "Thank You" letter stating I should stay away from the brown acid &amp; a Coupon booklet good for any repairs needed by Dec.29th. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

[JoeG]

I think if you sent Tilden a C note, they would have made you an Honorary Member-- http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

[Chevy454]

Love that picture of the black car leavin' on the Hemi! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/worship.gif

[djunod]

The place where I work out in Mountain View CA has a number of vintage (1960's television-related) ad's blown up to about 24" x 36" and framed, hanging on the wall. This is one ad that would look good like that.

[whitetop]

The "white" car is actually butternut yellow and is Reb Browns '67 RS/SS car featured in Street Power magazine in mid to late '70's. Last wherabouts of car was in Conn.
I've seen that pic in one of the mags in color and it was definetly 100% butternut. Also Reb Brown claimed his car was the old Motion race car.

[JoeG]

Here ya go whitetop--I had remembered it white , so I dug out an old mag and it does look like pale-yellow,----photos don't forget-- http://www.yenko.net/attachments/124634-Scan0020.jpg -- http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

Joe Mason /Conn,--had taken over the car after Motion, ---Maybe your friend Reb Brown picked it up from him????

[djunod]

Cool! What magazine (name, year, month) http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[JoeG]

DEC.'67------------- http://www.yenko.net/attachments/124639-Scan0021.jpg

[JChlupsa]

That B/Yellow isnt a RS so could there be 2 out there somplace. Also can I get a scan of the 68 L88 Chevelle article http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

[JoeG]

This is the one I remember,--if there is an RS out there http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif

I'll e-mail the article Jeff-------- http://www.yenko.net/attachments/124644-Scan0022.jpg

[55chevy]

Joe, is that '67 Olds on the cover a Motion prep car??? I see Markowitz on the side and know about the '68 Olds they prepped. I'd love to see the rest of the Motion stuff in that issue too. I don't have that one. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[JoeG]

Pre-Motion----ED

[COPO]

I think Reb Browns car is not the same as this one. Reb's car is an RS/SS model. The motion Joe G posted is a non RS car and was purchased from the Motion Supercar Club in '68 by Joe Mason who was the younger brother of Charlie Mason. Charlie was the original owner of my 67 BM Chevelle.

Here's Reb's car. http://www.yenko.net/attachments/63739-File0080.jpg

[JoeG]

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif article and car COPO--------------I had to double check with someone who has a better memory than me-----That Camaro(B/M-Joe Mason)--was white---Just info--

[djunod]

I uploaded decent quality scans of the cover, as well as another article about this car, to the gallery.