Granny Goose II/Golden Goose-EBAY

[Mr70]

Any of you Midwest guys remember this DM/P Camaro For Sale?
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=4532996685

I hear it truly is a piece of History.
http://www.yenko.net/attachments/127146-goose%2520cover.jpg

[bkhpah]

I like that...BKH http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/worship.gif

[Rat_Pack]

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gifI was just asking a friend about that car the other day and wondered if Bill & Dauber were still painting. Bill "Short Round" Roell has layed out a number of flames for Bobby Alloway on his and customers street rods. I had the opportunity one night to watch "Short Round" and Wade Hughes lay out and spray a set of their "Ohio Flames" on a street rod for Bobby. At 3:00 a.m. I had a new found respect for their talents. It wasn't long before I had the '63 Belair "Surfwagon" in Ohio for a set of those hot licks. I met Dauber there at Wade's place and his scrapbook is full of old drag cars and "street freak" cars from the 70's with custom pinstriping and lettering. Those guys are awesome! Check out the cover of The Rodder's Journal attached....

This Camaro is absolutely stunning! I just wish I could afford to purchase it but a recent remodel of the house negates that for now......I agree with bkh.... http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/worship.gif......Ratpack...............

[John Brown]

.... for anyone that has read the tiny little lettering on the back of the Granny Goose car, the question remains ....

... "are you man enough"?

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[Mr70]

Good stuff guys http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif
I think the Spyders on the rear are a nice touch too.

[kwhizz]

I met Dave Lewis in the early 70's.....Cool Guy......I asked him how he came up with the name for the car and as I remember he said it was named after a brand of Potato Chips that were popular in the area that he was living in........
Ken

[whitetop]

I saw the GG at the cinci WOW show last year and went back to it 2-3 times. The restoration is very nice and he did not "cheat or get lazy" and use late model speed equipment anywhere.

He also has a very famous S/S Maverick (it was at WOW also)that was in a bunch of mags in it's day. 6 cylinder car.

[fpcopo]

There was a Granny Goose Camaro out of Nebraska raced by Charlie Puls. Is this the car? Frank

[Mr70]

I don't think this is Frank,although that could've been it's predecessor.

You are bidding on a true legend. This is the original “Granny Goose II” DM/P Camaro campaigned in the Midwest by Dave Lewis out of Cincinnati Ohio, then later by Jerry Coley in the south out of Alabama as the “Golden Goose. This car has been restored to pristine condition with the utmost regard to authenticity.



The car was purchased in Cincinnati, Ohio at Glenway Chevrolet in 1969. It is a 1969 Camaro SS 396-375hp 4-speed car that was Fathom green in color. It was driven on the street for a total of 11,672 miles (the speedometer still agrees) before it was sold to Dave Lewis and then partner Bruce Scott to be turned into a racecar. The two overlooked no details in the conversion made the “Goose” an instant success and terror on the track.



The Legend of the “Goose” begins in Cincinnati, Ohio where after being fitted in D Modified Production trim it was handed to the capable hands of Jim Farr (aka Dauber) and his partner Bill Roell (aka Short Round) for paint, stripes and lettering. The team of Dauber and Short Round were no strangers to laying out paint schemes that made heads turn and had car owners flocking to the shop to have their cars turned in to mobile art. The car quickly made its way to the drag strip, and car show arenas where it was a fan favorite. In it’s first appearance at the World of Wheels car show it was chosen as the most popular car of the show. The car was gorgeous and deadly on the track but Dave and Bruce, being the perfectionist that they were demanded more. So in addition to continual performance upgrades and staying on top of the cutting edge of design they once again summoned the team of Dauber and Short Round to come up with a new paint scheme in 1971. The car is, was, and always will be a truly timeless example of perfection. This is the paint that remained on the car through the rest of Dave’s time driving and continued with the new owner with only the modification of the name from the “Granny Goose” to the “Golden Goose”



The cars 3rd owner and 2nd driver was the popular track promoter from the south Jerry Coley. After tracking down Dave Lewis and with his smooth southern ways Coley convinced Lewis to sell him the car and the transfer was complete with Dave delivering the car to Coley in Kentucky where Coley quickly learned the awesome potential of the car with a sub national record pass on his very first attempted behind the wheel (which he cleverly never backed up) Coley won the Division 2 championship in the car his first year and never looked back, this goose continued to lay golden eggs.



Here is a list on notable performance at large and national events:

1971 NHRA national record holder

1971 NHRA Division 3 WCS winner Columbus, Ohio

1972 NHRA Bluegrass National winner Lexington, KY.

1972 NHRA D/MP Class Winner US Nationals Indianapolis, In.

1973 NHRA Division 3 WCS winner Indianapolis, In.

1973 NHRA D/MP Class Winner Summer Nationals Englishtown NJ

1974 NHRA Division 2 WCS winner Suffolk, VA.

1974 NHRA Division 2 WCS winner Gainesville, FL.

1974 NHRA Division 2 Modified Championship winner

1974 NHRA Nation Record holder

1974 NHRA D/MP Class Winner Winter Nationals Pomona, Ca.

1974 NHRA D/MP Class Winner Gator National Gainesville, Fl.

1975 MHRA Southeast National Open winner Warner Robbins Ga.

Along with countless other local wins and National runner-up’s, Semi’s and Quarter’s





Coley continued to run the car in modified until a rules change allowed Corvettes into D Modified production a class in which they had a decided advantage. After that the car was parked and unfortunately at times outside, where the harsh southern sun faded the paint. Coley painted the car again this time white and he raced on occasion until it was retired permanently.

The goose changed hands again this time the 4th owner was bringing her home again to begin the long painstaking restoration project. The restoration project began with a sense of passion driven by the love of this unique vehicle and the fact most of the original components were still with the car was unbelievable. The car was almost completely intact still possessing most of the innovations originally designed by Lewis and a few required updates by Coley. The process begin by scouring the country for documentation on the car in addition to the articles we possessed in the form of magazine articles and some picture much more would be required to ensure the correct historical fact we needed to ensure that this car was as authentic as possible. This led us to searching swap meets, flea markets, attics and basements until we uncovered countless items of documentation, photos, and the few missing components that the car needed to be identical to the time frame. Through selfless acts of Bob Martin and Cleon Short donating old pictures and a network of friends keeping an eye out for a laundry list of parts the necessary pieces were in place. Driven by our desire to make this car original we insisted that every piece of sheet metal be original the interior, the engine bay, every aspect of these car needed to the original pieces after all those were the pieces that broke the records won the races, and filled the pages of magazines articles replacing them was not an option.



That is were John Bastian and Bastian Automotive Restoration comes into the picture. John shared our love for this car and the desire to see it come to fruition that desire coupled with his amazing abilities to prepare cars for show at the highest level was required to make the final preparations for paint.



Two men who in the past were intertwined with that of the Goose were now back in the picture. Dauber and Short Round would team up to recreate the paint job that they had put on the car so many years ago. This time in tow was Doug Gumbert a young painter who was about to have his go at helping Short round with painting the car. Short Round and Dauber laid out the car for paint and Doug handled most of the spraying. With his incredible talent along with the legend of the Goose guided his hand and once again perfection was achieved. After countless hours in the spray booth the finished product was magnificant then the paint was allowed to dry and properly cure before it was handed to Dauber for the finishing touches.



When the car was finished it was like the past had come alive. We were successfully in accomplishing the task we had started so many years ago and the Goose was returned to here former glory.



Here is a list of major articles on the car



Feature articles:

Hot Rod 1971

Car Craft 1973

Hot cars 1973

Super Chevy 1975

Hot Rod 2003



Cover shots:

Car Craft 1973

Hot Cars 1973

Chevy Power 1975

Chevy Bible 1974-1975



Along with countless other local newspaper and drag racing publication mentions. All told we have in our possession over 200 pages of documentation on this car in the form of pictures articles, and stories. All of this documentation not only goes with the car it offers a nearly week-by-week journal of the cars performance and whereabouts while it was racing.



Please feel free to look at all the pictures and do not hesitate to contact us with any further questions our contact information is as follows:



Karl Thiele (Owner)

1-513-353-3039 (days M-F until 1:00 pm anytime on weekends)

Steve Glasgow (historian)

[Mr70]

I thought this would attract much more $ then what the final bid was.
$25,850.00 (Reserve not met)

[Salvatore]

Me too! Couldn't come close to building it for that. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif

[whitetop]

Sam
Whats really sad is if the owner would of put on 20" wheels, air bag suspension and a fat man front end it would of went for $150k

[Salvatore]

You are right. It is scary what drives the hobby at times! Sam http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif

[waynemiller]

The Goose is in the National Dragster this week under Where are they now? It is a great article on the builder. A great picture from the 70's.

[Belair62]

That may be a bit of a stretch Whitetop.... http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif

[Chevy454]

Friggin' shame...cool car...is it just a show pony now, or can it still find the big end of the track?

[Salvatore]

Car could probably still run in the 10's I think!

[Jim Ferron]

[ QUOTE ]
Car could probably still run in the 10's I think!

[/ QUOTE ]

Nope it won't ..read the answered questions in the auction and you will fine it has a 'show motor 355'...If it had the 'real' motor in it I'd a put a bid in on it..$26k is a ton of money for a car with a nothing motor in it...IMHO.

[Salvatore]

Jim, I would bet he has more than that in the resto. I wouldn't say that 26,000 is a TON of money. Not pocket change for me but not a TON either. This is just M.O! We are taliking about some history here. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[whitetop]

Jim
who cares is if it's a show motor or not? That car has history.

[Chevy454]

Wow, didn't realize I asked such a loaded question! DOH!!

[Salvatore]

Yea, come on Jim hurt our feelins! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif

[Jim Ferron]

Don't want to hurt nobody's feelin's with my just second post. Just telling you it doesn't run anymore.

If it still ran ten's, my snipe bid could have been enough to buy it, so it's not like I don't appreciate the car.

Don't kill the messenger.

[Salvatore]

OK! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[JoeG]

Gee Sam I'd thought you'd hold out until Jim at least offered a Philly's Cheese steak sandwich------ http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[Salvatore]

Well Joe, He is new. Don't want to be too hard on him......YET! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/haha.gif

[stevegla]

Hey thanks to all of you for your comments. I worked on the restoration of the Goose since it's humble beginnings in 1988 and I was the one who listed it on Ebay for the current owner. It sure is good to stumble across a site like this and hear people talking about the Goose again. Anyone have any stories or pictures of the car, or do you have any questions?

[raw muscle cars]

Is the car still for sale???

[Belair62]

Pretty cool car...

[stevegla]

Yes the car is still for sale. I know you guys have pretty strict rules about posting cars for sale but we are really unsure what the car is worth. That is why we put it on ebay we thought we would let the fine folks in America tell us what it is worth however we are a little dissapointed in the results we kind of expected the car to do a least 35-40k and from the post I have read hear it seems some of you expected more. Also attached a shot from 1972 for those who are interested

[stevegla]

Also in response to earlier post we had a 331 in the car and were making passes in the mid 10's prior to painting the car. After we hurt the 331 and the paint was laid on we put the 355 in it so it would be drivable for shows and parades. We have a 306 inch motor for the car that has never made it's way into the engine compartment. We had a hard time running the car hard after it was done because it is so darn nice.

[Mr70]

Welcome Steve.
That's a great picture from 1972.
Where was it taken?
http://www.yenko.net/attachments/130141-grannygoose1972.jpg

[stevegla]

It was taken at Edgewater just west of Cincinnati Ohio in Cleves Ohio.

[Chevy454]

YAHTZEE!!!! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/worship.gif

[resto4u]

Was this car a big block from factory?

[Salvatore]

I believe it was a 375 horse car. I think it is worth more than $26,000 even if it didn't have a motor in it. You could put a small cube motor in it a still run NHRA SS/EM or SS/FM . There you go Rob! Car has your name on it!!! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/burnout.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/3gears.gif

[stevegla]

You are correct it was a 396/375 car. We have a 306 short block with the car that would probably put the car somewhere in the SS/D or EM class. However it does not have modern speed equipment and would have a tough time keeping up with the 18 and 23 degree super engines with jessle drives and sheet metal intakes of today's modern modified ride. But you sure would look cool doing it.

[stevegla]

engine shot

[stevegla]

Link to more pics
http://www.umtrdragrace.com/cavalcadetemp.htm

[Salvatore]

I can see Rob Clary in that drivers seat now. He can feel how a small block feels and revs! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/haha.gif

[JoeG]

You tested the waters--maybe second time around you'll get your reserve----Pretty,Pretty Car......

[stevegla]

Thanks but we are considering the B/J auction as maybe a better outlet for selling the car since the ebay auction was unable to get us where we thought the car should be. Who knows though.

[JoeG]

I've seen some race/drag cars get almost stolen with "no reserve" down BJ---I'd keep a reserve--and then lift it if the bidding satisfies you---

[stevegla]

I hear what you are saying however I live in West Palm and I am a regular at the Dragstrip and the B/J Auction and I see most drag car across and do ridiculous money provided they are clean and desirable. Add historical signifigance and you hit a home run. I saw a restored 409 stock elim, drag (non #'s matching)car go for over 80k. Alot of drag racers down here use B/J as their outlet to sell thier drag cars at a profit. If I live to be 100 years old I will never quite understand the kind of money that gets spent on cars at B/J. But the truth be told we are not looking to get rich we want to move on to another project and we need to move this car before the next car we want to buy gets sold to some fool that put's a TPI big block with a automatic transmission in it. and ruins another piece if history. If we can't get a decent price for the car or if we do not get it quick enough to move on our next project then why bother selling it. It is one of the coolest cars on the planet.

[Salvatore]

I can still see Rob Clary behind the wheel of the Goose! Got his name written all over it. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/burnout.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/3gears.gif

[stevegla]

Well we decided to give ebay another shot happy bidding to anyone interested