1968 SHELBY?

[MACHOTA102]

DOES ANYONE KNOW IF BALDWIN-MOTION MADE A 1968 GT500 SHELBY MUSTANG? I KNOW SOMEONE SELLING ONE , I NEVER HEARD OF ONE DOES ANYONE KNOW?

[whitetop]

I have a Hot Cars article where they did a '69'-70 Mustang. Can't remember if it was a Shelby or not.

[12bolt]

while I am not the know all of Shelby's, I am well versed in them. Also an active Owner and Member Of S.A.A.C. and I cannot rule out that Motion may have toyed with one, but I am willing to bet that it was an independent project if it happened at all. Shelby was on his way out in 1968, He had closed the Doors on Shelby American and FORD was producing the 1968 Shelby themselves using A.O. Smith industries in Livonia Michigan to complete the transformation. But hey, it was the 60's! I personally have never read any publication or even heard rumor of such an animal.

[Canucklehead]

Correct me if im wrong, but is there only 1 REAL shelby mustang super snake in exsistance?. If so, who built it?, could that be built by motion?. I believe it was a 67

[JoeG]

1967--Shelby American built the Super Snake--- http://www.yenko.net/attachments/129770-Scan0025.jpg
Anyone could have gone to M/P to have work done to whatever level they wanted----

[Steve Shauger]

Charley owns the one an only. He raced it at SCR8, an awesome piece of muscle car history. Built at Shelby America and modified by the shelby team. Charley are you there??

[Belair62]

Correction...he kind of soft shoed it down the track...

[Mr. T]

Thought he raced the Hertz rental.

[JoeG]

Wow!!!--I knew Charley had a Shelby--Didn't realize it was The Super Stang....One fortunate Cowboy.. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif http://www.yenko.net/attachments/129794-Scan0026.jpg

[12bolt]

You are correct That there is only ONE SUPER SNAKE! SHELBY Built it and Motion had nothing to do with it. (Except gain inspiration possibly) http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/burnout.gifand The Current "Keeper" of the Super Snake is a Forum member/moderator! maybe he could chime in some??

[Charley Lillard]

Yes I have the Super Snake and they only built one. It was built by Shelby and Motion had nothing to do with it. Yes I had it at last years reunion. I was not going to drag race it but the Deuce Dorks were having so much fun I asked the Clarys to take their trailer back to the hotel and bring back the Shelby. I did make a few passes but I was not soft shoeing it...I am just a crappy drag racer. I ended up driving it back to the hotel....Now I gotta rebuild the carb and take it to SAAC 30. http://www.yenko.net/attachments/129808-10-12-04002.jpg

[Mr70]

It showed very well at SCR7.
Now wheredya get that SIGN! http://www.sg-online.net/vb/images/smilies/radioactive.gif

[sYc]

Dang that is a good looking car. Thanks for sharing it with us at SCR7. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[JoeG]

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I did make a few passes but I was not soft shoeing it...I am just a crappy drag racer. http://www.yenko.net/attachments/129808-10-12-04002.jpg

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In that car you can be anything you want..... http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif

[Charley Lillard]

Dave Stienberg built it for me. His web site is Daves Nostalgic signs (http://www.davesnostalgia.com/) Buy something from him and maybe I can get my next sign cheaper.... http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif

[hvychev]

What most people do not know is that Tom Clary is a closet Shelby Mustang freak! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[12bolt]

[ QUOTE ]
What most people do not know is that Tom Clary is a closet Shelby Mustang freak! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[/ QUOTE ]I have run across more Shelby fans/owners on this site than I would have ever expected! Charley not only has the Super Snake, but he has One of the original (535 produced) 1965 GT350 restored to http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/worship.gif "Just left the assembly line" Perfection! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/worship.gif "Dajudge" has what looks like a nice GT350, but I think he is afraid to show it to people...... http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif

[Canucklehead]

I knew charlie had a shelby but i did'nt know it was THE shelby. Very nice!!, your a lucky man!

Did you have anything to do with the current repops with Ultimate Performance?

How did you aquire it?

[Charley Lillard]

I fellow I know thru the internet sent me pics of it a couple years ago saying he was going to buy it if he ever got his Porsche sold. I asked him if I could buy it if he didn't and he told me to go ahead. Turns out it had been on Ebay twice but had not met reserve. it took awhile but I managed to get it bought. I have nothing to do with the new ones.

[tom406]

Hey Charley, that's a helluva car. But it just doesn't quite have the LOOK I associate with it. Are you going to change the tires before SAAC 30? Most of the pics of that car are from its 170 mph tire testing session, and on that day it proudly wore WHITEWALLS on its 10-spoke rims. If Marlin can shoe his Deuce properly, why not the Super Snake?

Respectfully (with tongue only partially in cheek)
Tom

[Mr70]

It's not easy Shoeing a Shelby wearing these...
http://shoebuy.com/pi/keyst/keyst1474_lg.jpg

[DOWOP5]

Charley, your collection is amazing. Love that 'Stang. You are a lucky man. Will you adopt me??

[Belair62]

12 Bolt...DaJudge ain't scurred ! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/103806/an/0/page/0#103806

[12bolt]

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12 Bolt...DaJudge ain't scurred ! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/103806/an/0/page/0#103806

[/ QUOTE ] His car looks great in pictures. I do not doubt for a minute that it looks great in person. He just will not show the Car as he said he would. Or return messages. He's either Scared or hiding something that the Ford guy would pick up on in person! who knows. I'll address the issue in person when I see him at all of these exciting Chevy events I'll be at this season. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/haha.gif

[Belair62]

He may be embarrased to own a Ford http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif

[JoeG]

DaJudge-I have no Shame--I'll take that Gorgeous Pony off your hands-- http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[427TJ]

[ QUOTE ]
the Deuce Dorks

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http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/haha.gif

[Chevy454]

[ QUOTE ]
What most people do not know is that Tom Clary is a closet Shelby Mustang freak!

[/ QUOTE ]
Yeah, but I finally got dad over that fettish, and we purged our garage of our '66 Shelby a year or two ago...http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[DaJudge]

12bolt My Shelby is not for sale. That is why I did not have you up to look at it, I did not want to waste your time. As far as afraid to show it all can see it at the Ford Nationals at Carlisle in Building Y. It will also be in a magazine as a picture shoot is scheduled in the near future. It has been at two shows last season and at Vargo, where a few members from this site saw it. I have fine tuned it further by adding correct Goodyears and other detail items. There is nothing to hide on that car as it is all numbers matching and it has loads of original paperwork, plus about 250 pictures of the totally rust free body during restoration. It's really hard for me to sell a car that has so much documentation and original.

[Xplantdad]

Mike,

I think that your car is beautiful...and very http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif

[12bolt]

Dajudge,I knew My Baiting would lure you out!! when people say one thing and do another without letting the other guy know whats up, it makes me wonder just what you are all about. I actually have no Doubts about your car or your Documents on it. It looks great! I just thought that when I met you in person and took time out of my Busy schedule for you, the least you could do is respond to an e-mail or PM. Since you chose not to, I took this avenue to let you know that I do not appreciate your Failure to respond after saying you would. That being Said, the first round of "Cold Water" is on you at the first event we encounter one another at! That will erase any Hard feelings or misunderstandings!! (Real or imagined!!)

[hvychev]

huh? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif Am I getting this right? You are mad because the guy won't sell his car? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif

[12bolt]

No not at all! I was curious as to why he was not responding to me after we had agreed to do so. He is a real good guy, who like the rest of us Caught in Mid life is juggling Kids, Job, wife and then our Passions for Cars. I knew I would draw a response and I did. he contacted me and it is all good. His Car is a top notch example of how a restoration should look upon completion. Chevy,Ford or Mopar, anyone would be happy to have their Beloved auto looking that good and Correct.

[gemleeus]

oh I see, for a while there reading this thread i didn't think you knew him personally, but you evidently do. well in that case no harm done

[12bolt]

I am not a Cyber stalker/keyboard commando type. I do not start "Hoopla" or agress others for pleasure. I am a Man who is true to his word, and expect the same of others when I extend myself. if all goes as planned, I will be at Raceway Park and look forward to seeing some sYc members in person. It is always great to talk in "Real Time", instead of hours or even Days apart!! on these Forum settings, people of all walks of life can chat. Some wish they had Cars, while others have too many Cars. and the rest fall in between. one thing is certain. The amount of Cars or lack thereof, never changes who you really are. it just dictates how you will be spending your weekend. Happy Easter one and all! Unless of course you are a Muslim and find that statement Politicaly/religiously incorrect.

[JoeG]

This was a '67 GT350 that Motion set-up for street/strip and in the article it mentions setting up GT500'S----So there could be Some Shelbys that were set-up for street/strip action but you would need some sort of documentation of the extent of the mods done by M/P-- http://www.yenko.net/attachments/130995-shelbyjoel.jpg

[JoeG]

GT350 at track--Billy Mitchell-- http://www.yenko.net/attachments/130996-shelbytrack.jpg

[AutoInsane]

Charley, Kevin Suydam also owns a 427 side oiler and on his web site he says his car is one of 3. Now your car is "the" Super Snake but can you really call it a one off or is it truely one of the 3? Not trying to bust balls just curious on the matter. (when are you going to have your own web site w the collection on it???)

Billy

[tom406]

If I may, Charley has THE Mel Burns Ford car which was the first of what were to be a number of 427 Medium Riser equipped GT500's offered primarily through that dealer. But (much like Gibb's ZL-1 order two years later) the ultimate final sticker price of $7500 put it into 427 Cobra land, and out of the reach of most potential buyers.

SAAC has Shelby American invoices showing that two other '67's received 427MR's at Shelby (not selling dealerships or sometime later). Kevin S. would appear to have one of those two cars.

Now about those whitewalls, Charley.......

[Charley Lillard]

They only built one Super Snake. They supposedly built 3 427 side oiler cars but neither of the others were built as Super Snakes. Mine is a 26K mile car that has been detailed and spot painted over the years but is in pretty good shape. The Super Snake was supposed to be the baddest street car and they were gonna do 50. The three stripes were part of that package. I have not seen any real pics of the other two but neither were done with the three stripes. As for whitewall tires like were on the Super Snake for the Goodyear tire test, does anybody have a nice set of Goodyear Thunderbolts ?

[AutoInsane]

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayIS...908394&rd=1 (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=6465&item=45399083 94&rd=1)

What do you guys make of this one?

[djunod]

One bad looking car... but isn't there way too much modern stuff in it?

Very much off topic... I can't wait to see what people are going to start doing to the new Mustang.

[Pantera]

78 bids and it is only up to $210,000????? Boy someone didn't do their homework. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/haha.gif

Pantera

[Motion Camaro]

<font color="blue">Here is one they sold at Barrett-Jackson in Florida.
I missed that auction, so I don't know what it went for. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif </font>

[raw muscle cars]

They are all unique performance shelbys the white convert at barrett this black one. charlies is real, my shelby is real if fake ones are bringing 250-5oo whats that make mine and charlies worth? is a z28 camaro with a date coded yenko engine init worth the same money as a real yenko?

[raw muscle cars]

the white 68 convert at barrett $$$$$550,800 what were they thinking!!!!!!!the motion vatte only paid 90,000. go figure..

[12bolt]

[ QUOTE ]
the white 68 convert at barrett $$$$$550,800 what were they thinking!!!!!!!the motion vatte only paid 90,000. go figure..

[/ QUOTE ]It only makes your Car a Bargain at $200K !!!

[12bolt]

[ QUOTE ]
They are all unique performance shelbys the white convert at barrett this black one. charlies is real, my shelby is real if fake ones are bringing 250-5oo whats that make mine and charlies worth? is a z28 camaro with a date coded yenko engine init worth the same money as a real yenko?

[/ QUOTE ]You are comparing Apples to Oranges. Charleys Car is at the top of the Pecking order. Hands down. A true 1 of 1 Car Driven By Shelby at a High Rate of Speed for many Hours testing Good year tires. The other "Invoices" SAAC has about 2 other cars....I have never seen them or heard of anyone who has. Your Made in 1967 "GT500" is a very Desirable Car. It has The wrong Color and the wrong Engine. Does that hurt it?? 10 years ago, Hell Yeah! at this point, the Car game is Playing by a new set of Rules. It would only eliminate a Minority group of Buyers. Now these Eleanor Specials are SHELBY Products. NOT FAKES. Lets not confuse the issue. Shelby VINS and in the Registry. They are a SHELBY Product none the less. Yours is from the 60's. These are from the Movies...I mean the new Millenium! They will probably be among the last SHELBY Products ever made. so let me go back a Minute here. 10 Years ago, your Car lost Points due to Color and Non Correct Engine. Today it does not Matter. Fast forward to the year 2015. Shelby will most likely have passed on by then. Thus Making ANY OF HIS PRODUCTS that much more desirable since they cannot be made anymore. Right? a small minority will always be kicking and spitting at the ground saying "They ain't The Real Thing". Meanwhile some Rich Guy who was 14 years old in 2005 and read about how the Eleanor Cars Kick Butt on the Originals and makes it his life Goal to get one, Falls into Mad Cash somehow and will be right there buying that Used, But ORIGINAL Eleanor for even Crazier Money! Why?? Because like every other Car nut, we all want what we wanted when we were too young or just could not Afford it until the time came that you could, So you did! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/headbang.gif Now imagine this. Don Yenko still alive, taking those Brand new 69 Camaro Bodies and remaking YENKO Camaro's. would there be an uproar?? I imagine. But there would be a Bigger uproar about who is Butting in line to buy the next available Car!! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/3gears.gif

[Motion Camaro]

[ QUOTE ]
Now imagine this. Don Yenko still alive, taking those Brand new 69 Camaro Bodies and remaking YENKO Camaro's. would there be an uproar?? I imagine. But there would be a Bigger uproar about who is Butting in line to buy the next available Car!! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/3gears.gif

[/ QUOTE ]
<font color="blue">Speaking of 2005 Camaros.
Here is the 'new body' 1969 one @ Barrett-Jackson. </font>

[Motion Camaro]

<font color="blue">With this motor!! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/headbang.gif </font>

[Seattle Sam]

Is it me or are these Z/28 stripes a little wide?

http://www.yenko.net/attachments/133231-DSCN0107%28Small%29.JPG

[jfkheat]

I saw that car today in Charlotte at the Autofair. It was built by Hot Rod magazine using one of the repoped bodies. It has an aluminum 427 in it. VIN number is HR0001. It was at the Camaro Specialities booth.
James

[Mr70]

If you Zoom in on that Laptop on the Table,you'll realize that Charley has sent them an Email asking,"May I Buy it?" http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[Motion Camaro]

[ QUOTE ]
If you Zoom in on that Laptop on the Table,you'll realize that Charley has sent them an Email asking,"May I Buy it?" http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[/ QUOTE ]
<font color="blue"> If they sell it to him, it will be over $115,00.00!!!
They said thet was the cost of building it. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif </font>

[Canucklehead]

There just seems to be something odd about that car??

[Motion Camaro]

[ QUOTE ]
There just seems to be something odd about that car??

[/ QUOTE ]
<font color="blue">You can just tell it's not real.
It doesnt matter, but,
that one in particular IS weird. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif </font>

[Charley Lillard]

I saw that car at SEMA. Both doors were scraping on the pinchwelds to where they were not shut.