1968 Camaro with Alum Heads - Check this out

[Donutblue]

Think this is correct #5L89AA alum heads ?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayIS...247053&rd=1 (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=6161&item=45392470 53&rd=1)

[firstgenaddict]

If the guy has the original window sticker that documnents the car... boy that thing is going to get outrageous in the bidding.

[Lynn]

I can't say it is not authentic. However, here are some things to think about.
1. He should post a copy of the window sticker.
2. Most ex drag cars are in much better condition. I would expect a car that was trailered from the dealership to get better care.
3. His father in law bought it new. Has it changed hands multiple times since?
4. Does father in law still have P.O.P?
5. Special paint would be the correct code for a late 68 if it was ordered black.
6. I didn't see a date code on the heads.
7. Should a 68 have the positraction decal on the deck lid, like a 69?

I am sure some of the other guys here will think of many other questions to ask.

Lynn

[JChlupsa]

If anyone here picks it up, Ill take the extra set of RS Tail-light assemblies he has pictured with the standard ones. Also do I see the rear shocks right NOT staggered and 67 style instead??

[Hotrodpaul]

This looks like a cut up drag car with a Dana 60, some parts, and possibly no documentation. I would be very careful since a 68 is next to impossible to verify without a P-O-P or Window Sticker and / or Owner History. You can check the dates on the block, heads, trans, etc to get some idea if the parts are original. I don't believe I have seen a documented L89 for sale as these are most likely privately traded among serious collectors. There are however, quite a few clones on the market.

Paul

[CROSSRAMJL8]

I ASKED THE SELLER WHAT HAPPEN TO THE ORIG MOTOR AND REAR END HERE IS WHAT HE SAID
My wife believes the original engine was stolen. I think my father -in- law may have sold the rear-end many years ago. Definitely before 1984. - Tim.
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[Mr. T]

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I ASKED THE SELLER WHAT HAPPEN TO THE ORIG MOTOR AND REAR END HERE IS WHAT HE SAID
My wife believes the original engine was stolen. I think my father -in- law may have sold the rear-end many years ago. Definitely before 1984. - Tim.
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[Allen]

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1. He should post a copy of the window sticker.
4. Does father in law still have P.O.P?


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I agree... if he has the sticker, he should post a scan.

Regarding the father-in-law and having the P.O.P., he says he's selling it for the estate..... might need an Ouija board to ask him about it (<---- no disrespect intended, just a weak attempt at humor).

[GTO_DON]

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gifWhy are you guys picking on this car. It may very well be real.He says he has the original window sticker! Maybe he just dont know how to sell the car. I will bet it is something special. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif

[Belair62]

For sure...if it was a drag car it wouldn't be a surprise to see the 12 bolt gone either....someone should look at the car if they are unterested....

[SuperNovaSS]

Special paint usually goes with special cars.

[JChlupsa]

1 = Chevrolet
2 = Camaro
4 = 8-cylinder engine
37 = coupe body
8 = 1968 model year
N = Norwood, OH assembly plant
468104 = vehicle serial number sequence

Decode for body number: 170387

07C = Built the Third week of July.
68-12437 = Coupe.
NOR = Built in Norwood Ohio.
712 = Standard Black Bucket Seats.
--- = Car Color is SPECIAL PAINT

Yes it does.

[Zman]

How in the world can an 1,121 "original mile" car fall into such a state of dis-repair http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif

[Lynn]

Don:

I am not trying to pick on the car. I simply noted the questions that I thought should be answered before laying down some serious cash. I also pointed out that a late car painted black would have - - for the paint code.

Don't think it is out of line to ask about documents. I realize it is easy to sit here and pick a car apart. I have said it before, I don't know that I would want my car to be under the collective microscope!!!!

I also stated that the car may be legit, one would just need to investigate further. If the car is the real deal, the seller won't mind further investigation.

Lynn

[JChlupsa]

thats not to bad, I know of a car with less miles and it all but reusted to the ground and it also was a race car.

[firstgenaddict]

Drag cars are not usually know for a being in all that good of shape. I mean the car may look rough but their doesn't appear to be major rust issues... for a car in the rust belt!

[SuperNovaSS]

1121 X 4= 4484 quarter miles!


Jason

[firstgenaddict]

That's a lot, but back to the pits and to the staging lanes... probably still about 2000-3000 passes down the strip.

[DarrenX33]

I think this goes here.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v370/darren_costello/sticker.jpg

[Mr. T]

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I think this goes here.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v370/darren_costello/sticker.jpg

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Thanks for posting the window sticker for me Darren! After I received the email from the Seller, the attachment wouldn't open up for me. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif

[DarrenX33]

It was in PDF format. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

[firstgenaddict]

That sure would be one helluva ride
Black with black guts and redlines on dogdishes.
SWEEEEEEEET http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif

[budnate]

I hope the seller hits a home run with it..he will have earned it with all the tire kickers e mailing him through out the auction... poor guy has probably been typing day and night since he put it up on e bay...agree pretty cool car!!!

[Mr. T]

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I hope the seller hits a home run with it..he will have earned it with all the tire kickers e mailing him through out the auction...

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So what are you trying to tell me Bud? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/haha.gif

[Mr70]

Seller says he is getting an unusual amount of emails from some guy in the State of Washington... http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif

[budnate]

just me but there a few ways to look at a deal like this...

you can bet there are at least a dozen big dogs from this site plus others across the nation that are on the car and probably have had people there to view the car all ready and are trying to close a deal if its believed to be real..if the seller is a honorable guy and does not feel comfortable closing the auction early even for the right price it will go big dollars in the end.... so why bug the poor guy trying to help out his mother in law...honestly can you imagine the emails he's getting..his head is spinning and there probably sitting around the kitchen table talking about what to do with the car and all the people attempting to throw money at them...leave them alone unless you have a serious interest in stepping up on the car and pulling the trigger..if its real you sure as heck are not going to get it for 20K or who know whats..but it wont be pocket change thats for sure, all the people making offers will make sure of that... peanut gallery out.



Bud.

[firstgenaddict]

Stupid Money time! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif

[TimG]

That's not an original window sticker.

[firstgenaddict]

I would want to see a photo of the original window sticker.
not a PDF document that can be altered easier than a photo.

[Mr. T]

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That's not an original window sticker.

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My thoughts exactly Tim.

[TimG]

No order number in the upper right hand of the document, no axle ratio.

[TimG]

Sorry, looks like it has a zone and dealer number. Anyone have a book of ECL codes?

[Jeff H]

It doesn't look like an original window sticker. But that could be the pdf formatting that moved things around. Where's the axle ratio? Where's the Z27 for the SS option? Where's the zip code for the dealer address? Where is the dealer # and zone? Would there be a credit for the radio delete since no radio is mentioned? It's hard to look at something like this and think it's real documentation. I try not to be negative but that picture alone doesn't cut it.

[Pantera]

since when did they use bar codes back then? I have not seen one on a car that old.

Pantera

[budnate]

Its just a trick by Darren and Mr.T to throw us off the trail...taint gonna work boys.... http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/scholar.gif

[olredalert]

-------Bought my 69 435 Vette from Ed Stinn, new in October 69. Funny thinking that this Camaro in its present condition is probably worth as much as the 435 Vette in restored condition...........Bill S

[Bill Pritchard]

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Would there be a credit for the radio delete since no radio is mentioned?

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Unlike cars of today, radios were not standard equipment in 1968, so there was no such thing as "radio delete". If the car had been ordered with a radio, it would be listed on the window sticker as an option.

[DarrenX33]

Guys I apologize this JPG got screwed up either when I copied it or scanned it. The bottom should show the total price and the Chevrolet Disclaimer. The barcode looking crap is supposed to be those items. I will fix it in the morning. Unless someone wants the PDF now and can display it. Sorry bout that. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif

[Jeff H]

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Guys I apologize this JPG got screwed up either when I copied it or scanned it. The bottom should show the total price and the Chevrolet Disclaimer. The barcode looking crap is supposed to be those items. I will fix it in the morning. Unless someone wants the PDF now and can display it. Sorry bout that. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif

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That's what I was hoping, the pdf was messed up and some information is missing. Is the dealer and zone # on the original? It still has some odd option descriptions like the posi rear with no gear ratio. And shouldn't there be a Z27 option for the SS?

[DarrenX33]

Once again sorry for the mistake. Let's try this.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v370/darren_costello/winsticker_0001.jpg

[68l30]

Stinn sold a lot of Hi-Po cars in this area...would be pretty cool if,indeed,this was another.This dealer is now long gone.I have access to some paperwork from the early 70's to compare if some actual paperwork comes up.The dealer invoice has a pretty cool header.....Fast Eddy is still out there somewhere........ http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

Steve

[COPO]

Certainly looks like a repro window sticker to me.

[bertfam]

Well, the heads ARE aluminum, but they DIDN'T come with that car. These heads (3904392), are 67 Vette only. I emailed him for the dates of the heads and the trans. I'll post the numbers if he gets back to me.

Ed

[Lynn]

I have to say, I kind of feel for this guy. He obviously is not a first gen expert and does not hold himself out as such. He did qualify the heads and the trans by stating he BELIEVED they were original to the car.

Ed is correct about the heads, the correct ones would be 3919842 for a 68. Might be able to pass off the wrong heads if this were a very early 68, but it is in fact a very late 68 made the last week or so of production.

Trans is P2T06B, so it was made Dec 6, 1971 for a 1972 model, and is an M21. He promptly emailed me that info, but did not know what the codes meant. I don't think the guy is hiding anything, only going by what he has.

If in fact the window sticker turns out to be a reproductioin, it is quite possible the father-in-law had it made in the 70's. I can remember an article in 1977 or 78 in Popular Hot Rodding about an outfit that made window stickers, so the repros have been around a long time.

Sure it is fair to ask all the right questions. After all, if properly documented this could be a very high dollar car. I just hope we all show some compassion to this guy. He is in a stressful situation already.

Just my 2 cents.

Lynn

[Kurt S]

It is a repro window sticker......

[supercomp 8.90]

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It is a repro window sticker......

[/ QUOTE ]ditto!!! heres a picture of my 67 396-325 rs-ss one. that i just recently sold. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbsdown.gif

[supercomp 8.90]

heres a close-up of the dealer invoice i figured you guys might like to see.

[Mr. T]

Here is one of the original window stickers I have for my 69's. This particular one is for my 69 Camaro Convertible. I also included the original salesman's business card. He is related to the original owner of my car. Cool thing is, my convertible was originally sold right here in Spokane, and the dealership is still in business today.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v647/mistermister1/Picture1016.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v647/mistermister1/Picture1017.jpg

[TimG]

1967 Heads would have no temp sending unit in them, later heads (aluminum and steel) would have temp senders in them. Chances are slim it came with 1967 heads with no temp sender since there was no provision for this in the intake.
There would be no way to gauge the temp of the engine. Heads from 1967 to 1968 are one of the things that can't carry over as the part was different.

[bertfam]

Here's what he sent me with regards to the head and trans numbers:

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Both date codes on the heads are in January of 1967. I don't have the date code on the Trans, but I have learned, from an Ebayer, that the trans is from a '72 model. The trans stamp is: P2T06B. Thanks - Tim.

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Looks like he's being up front with everyone. He's even revised the auction with this info. Although he does say the Window Sticker is original. I don't have enough experience on these to say, but if it IS original, then the only thing that I can say is, what's a Window Sticker worth to you... Cause that's basically what you're buying!

Ed

[Mr70]

I don't like the letter/number Font on his window sticker at all.
It doesn't come close to a match of a 1968 w/s I have here.
I agree,as others have already stated,it does not look authentic.

[TimG]

There is no question about the window sticker, it is a reproduction, probably from AAA. I have lots of factory paperwork in my files that has been collected over the years, I have the original 1969 window sticker from my '69 Indy Pace car and 1967 big block Corvette. The fonts are completely different as the ID number of the car (468104). All GM "O" are squared off. The fonts are that of the AAA reproduction window stickers. Trouble is that everyone is getting used to seeing these and they think they are ligitimate. This is not an original window sticker and serves no documentation value. I will not speak about the car as I have not seen it. The value of the window sticker is $20 as that is what AAA charges.

[camarojoe]

Mr T, are you sure thats an original sticker for your 69? Unless CA window stickers are alot different than Norwood ones, it looks like it's hand-typed. Any originals I have seen have the end portion of the VIN ink-stamped.

[Mr. T]

Joe, I got the window sticker from the original owner in 1986. He told me that he saved it when he bought the car. He swore to me that it was original.

[TimG]

GM uses all capitol letters on their paperwork.

[Jonesy]

Repo houses have been selling blank window stickers since at least 1980 or so. It look like your was typed up by the original owner. I tried doing the same for my car back in 1980, but i screwed it all up. That is not an original sticker.

[Lynn]

Looks like we have an honest seller on this car. Check out his revisions.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayIS...A%3AIT&rd=1 (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=4539247053&rd=1&sspage name=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&rd=1)

Lynn

[Kurt S]

Very pleasant guy to deal with.
I pointed out that the WS wasn't real and he immediately said he'd update the auction. Miles ahead of alot of ebay sellers in honesty!
I think he has a pretty rare car, but nothing to document with. Bummer.....