1969 Chevrolet : Camaro TRUE X77 Z28

[69zman]

Any body know anything about this car on ebay? http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayIS...091339&rd=1 (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=6161&item=45420913 39&rd=1)

[Dave Rifkin]

Wow! What a beautiful Z. I think that's got to be the nicest color combination I have seen on a first gen. Z car in a long time. I think this same guy has the Grabber Blue '69 Shelby on Ebay right now too.

[jfkheat]

WOW, that is a beautiful car. Are you thinking about buying it? If you are looking for a very nice custom built Camaro, then this one could be it. If you are looking for an original Z-28, then I would keep looking. I didn't see anything about any documentation so you don't know what the original paint color was. The interior has been changed. It doesn't have the original engine. It doesn't say anything about the rest of the drivetrain being original to the car. For the money this car will bring, you can get a nice matching numbers 69 Z-28. Just my opinion.
James

[TXSS]

That is one beautiful Z-28. However, I agree totally. That is way to much to spend on a 69 Z without at least having the original DZ 302.

Rick

[Steve Shauger]

Not trying to be too critical, but nothing is correct on the car. Keep looking is my advise.

[69zman]

No, not trying to buy it, to much $ for me. Just thought people would like to see it. Is the car correct? whats wrong with it? The guy states #'s matching.

[jfkheat]

Actually very few of the major components are original and/or correct for the car. The interior was originally a standard black interior but is now black and white houndstooth. Since the cowl tag has -- for special paint, without some type of documentation, you don't know the original color. The engine is probably a correct dated engine but not original to the car. Exhaust system is wrong. Tires are wrong. And tons of smaller items that are wrong.
James

[Belair62]

Great looking car....it's expensive but a lot of folks don't care if it's totally correct.

[12bolt]

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Great looking car....it's expensive but a lot of folks don't care if it's totally correct.

[/ QUOTE ]The Majority of Todays Buyers DO NOT CARE!!! Wake up all You PURISTS CLINGING TO YOUR ORIGINAL WHEEL WEIGHTS AND WING NUTS!!!! the Market for these cars consists of the 35-60 Age Bracket with Disposable income that want the Car they could not afford way back whenever. so now for whatever reason they have an extra chunk of Dough Laying around and they want to fill that empty void they have yearned to do for so long. Take a Look at "Colin's Classic Car Prices". He sells very Fine Cars at Very High Prices. Been in Business since 1989 and no sign of Bankruptcy yet. Most of todays buyers are pleased with a well done clone of their dream car that to Buy the Real thing would be pushing $200K! Nice Clones of Yenko and COPO Cars are starting around $35K and up to $100K!!. The Purist is a very small Buyer of these High End Cars. they usually procure a Perfect Car long before Colin or any other Dealer gets their Mitts on them. and I am in no way Knocking Colin. He is a Great Guy and a Man to be admired for what he is doing and has done! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/worship.gif I am certain this X77 whatever it is was or will be will make some Mid Lifer a very Happy guy who may not even need Viagra for Months after the purchase!! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[69zman]

Has any one talked to this guy or seen the car? Does it have the original drive train? Any doc's? Seems high for a clone, but very nicely done.

[olredalert]

------If you read the add I believe he states that it doesnt have the original drivetrain. At least thats how I took his ramblings. Saying its numbers matching means nothing!..........Bill S

[Steve Shauger]

Thanks for waking us purist up. To some , which I include my self in that group... we enjoy learning and dismissing the myths surrounding these muscle cars. Delving into wheel weight and wing nuts isn't for everyone, but for the purist it is enlightening and rewarding.

The car that started this thread is a betweener. The seller provides the trim tag info, but nothing matches ie color , interior, exterior trim. It will take quite a lot to make it technically correct. It seems the owner was trying to strike a balance. For me why not go all the way and make a resto-mod install a powerful new technology engine, modern suspension and build the car the way you want. I am partial to black Z http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/haha.gif

[csx289]

Guys-
Just to clarify after reading Dave's (12bolt) post:

Yes, I have been in business for a long time.

Yes, I do sell cars for a lot of money. BUT, to get the kind of cars that I have, my "Mitts" have to shell out a lot of money, too! People always ask "how do you get those cars?" Simple - P A Y - U P ! And then wait for somebody who appreciates the car like I do that pays more so I can keep the lights on and some food on the table. I will never lie and say that I don't make money on cars. Just like any other business , mine has to turn a profit too. I don't think there is a member of this site who works for free. If you are reading this, and you work for free, give me a call. We need to talk ! LOL

Also, I like to pride myself on the fact that I do sell cars to the purists. In fact, if a guy doesn't know what he is buying, he is not buying it from me. Period. Just can't do it. Ask Gags, Charley, or Mike G how many "Barrett-Jackson VIP" type buyers I have shown the door when they pissed me off by being ignorant. "Well gee whiz, I love this 66 Vette 425HP car, but why can't I have an automatic trans, power steering and power brakes?" BAM - here's the door.

Finally, my cars are real - not clones, not fakes, not UFO's with no paperwork. Not saying I haven't sold a neat clone or two over the years, but less than .0005% of what I have sold in the last decade-plus.

Just wanted to clarify...and thanks for the compliment, Dave.

Sincerely,
Colin

[JoeG]

The workmanship on the car seems to represent the "Hobby" very well.....

[Belair62]

Hey Colin..I still have a remote mirror laying around for you....I will send it up there with Uku...I think he may come up there next week.

[12bolt]

[ QUOTE ]
Thanks for waking us purist up. To some , which I include my self in that group... we enjoy learning and dismissing the myths surrounding these muscle cars. Delving into wheel weight and wing nuts isn't for everyone, but for the purist it is enlightening and rewarding.[ QUOTE ]
Steve, I appreciate you and your extensive knowledge as well as all the others here and in the Hobby. I was not trying to insult, only point out that todays Market has a new face. That face belongs to people with More Desire and Money than they have Car sense. I would want a Correct Z-28 for wht the eBay car is going for. some other guy is looking at a well Built updated Car that reminds him of the one he always wanted so he will buy that Car. Good for Him, Good For the Seller and Great for the Market. and speaking of the Market, if You have not looked at Colins site as yet, Do so as He is doing things that others only dream of. and in such a way that he is a proven success. 1st rule of Business. Start with a great Product line! He follows that rule to the letter! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/worship.gif Steve I hope you reach out next time you are coming to Visit your Mom. I want you to go over my Car, espescially those Tail lights!! I might be at Raceway Park but not confirmed yet. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif

[jfkheat]

I am by no means a purist when it comes to these cars. John (69zman) asked what was not original on the car and I responded with some of the obvious things. I think it is a beautiful car. My car will never be restored to that quality because I would be scared to drive it. I don't want a car that I can't drive. I put well over 300 miles on mine this weekend.
James

[TXSS]

I agree, there is a growing segment of buyers out there that just don't care about numbers. However, I have a tendency to disagree with the statement "The Majority of Todays Buyers DO NOT CARE" I have found just the opposite to be the case. I've been buying, restoring and selling higher dollar muscle cars for the past number of years and the high dollar cars always seam to bring out the better informed and more savvy buyers. These buyers have money for a reason. They know how to make it and they know how to and how not to spend it. I just sold a matching set 1972 Chevelle SS 454 and a 1972 El Camino SS 454 for 85K and that buyer knew exactly what he was looking at and it took a month to complete the deal. JMO

Kind of makes you wonder who's bidding on that Z28 and who would be willing to spend 10-15K more for a clone than the real deal. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif

Rick