Unrestored 1970 LS6 What's it Worth

[TXSS]

I'm looking at an 1970 Chevelle LS6 a friend of a friend has and may be thinking about selling. I'm having a little trouble making my mind up as to what it's worth. I'm going back to take some pictures tomorrow. When I first say the car it was hard to believe it was an unrestored / survivor car. However everything I've seen indicates it is.

Here's the low down on the car.

17,000 original documented miles
Unrestored (strong #2-1/2 car)
Original Forest Green Paint Black Stripes (paint is very very nice)
Zero Rust
Undercarriage is very nice, clean with some original markings. Has had some spray paint taken to the floor pans.
Original Black Bench interior (like new)
Auto
Everything under the hood and drive train checks out to be numbers matching, casting number and date code correct
POP
Build sheet

I'll attach some pics as soon as I have them.

Any ideas???

Rick

[Stuart Adams]

If all is true and legit it sounds like a great car. Mucho dinero. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif

[ohhawk]

1970 Forest Green Chevelle SS's would not have had black stripes from the factory......only white.

[TXSS]

Sorry, you're correct. I was thinking white and typed black. It does have white stripes.

[Mr70]

Are you able to unravel past owner history?
How is the Trunk compartment & still holding Factory spare?
Exterior still wearing factory lacquer?
Still holding Spiral shox or T-3 Headlights?
Cowl induction flapper hood & Tach & gauges?
Rearend ratio & what Tires(Age & Brand)are on it now?
Has the engine block or engine compartment been resprayed anywhere since it left the line?
No headers I hope, & is it still carrying A.I.R.,or is it that off to the side?
These cars by their very nature were hot rodded out at some time in their life.
Hard to determine actual value w/o seeing more or in person or VERY clear pix.

[TXSS]

This is what I know so far

One previous owner
Trunk looks untouched
No A.I.R.
Factory spare
Original lacquer
T-3's no Spiral shocks
Cowl induction w/ flapper hood
3:31 Posi
TA Radials
Tach & Gauges
Have to take a closer look at the engine compartment
Factory exhaust manifolds

Just trying to get in the ball park

Thanks
Rick

[12bolt]

Can't get hurt at $20K. anything over that you need to really back up everything the others have mentioned above.

[Charley Lillard]

If it is as you described..I would say anywhere from 45K to 75k. Miles and orig paint a plus...bench seat column auto a minus. Cool car.

[Astock]

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Can't get hurt at $20K. anything over that you need to really back up everything the others have mentioned above.

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Shoot me a price on your Copo using the same formula that you used on this LS6,17k survivor. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif

[TXSS]

I was able to spend about 2 hours looking at the Chevelle today. Unfortunately I left the memory card for my camera in my reader at home. The car is much nice than I was led to belive. I would say it is in near show condition. It looks like a car 16,445 miles on it. The current owner has put about 500 miles on the car in the past 6 years. The balance of the time it was stored in a wearhouse, on a lift with a cover on it. The paint is nearly perfect with very little spider webbing. The fender extensions have been repainted but that is about it. It appears it may have it's factory exhaust system with resonators but I'm not exactly sure how to tell. The car looks almost untouched with the exception of some spray paint on the floor pans and drive shaft. The car does have it's complete and working A.I.R. system, original sprial shocks, original plug wires and original battery. It also appears to have the original tags on the front coil springs and all the original decals under the hood. It comes with 3 build sheets, POP and the original window sticker.

Thanks for the feedback

Rick

[SS427]

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It appears it may have it's factory exhaust system with resonators but I'm not exactly sure how to tell.

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Rick,
Factory exhaust will have part numbers and dates on the muffler and part numbers on the resonators. The head pipe will be one piece into the front of the muffler with no clamps. The tail pipe coming out of the rear of the muffler will have a locating tab cut into it and the rear flange pipe on the muffler will have the same tab welded onto it. I will have an original LS-6 exhaust system here within the week and will take photos of it and send them to you if necessary.

I agree with Charley, a car like this could be worth a LOT of money. Do your homework, write down all the part numbers and dates off the important items such as carb, dist, heads, manifolds, waterpump, starter, fan, radiator, transmission, rearend, etc. If you have questions or need help, let me know and I will offer what I can.
Rick

[Astock]

Rick,
If you decide to pass on the car because it's missing the correct spare tire ,headlites,shocks,dist,starter,resprayed engine,ect...please forward the owners info to Astock.

[TXSS]

Rick , Thanks for the info on the exhaust system, very informative. Please send a picture at your convenience. I have checked the numbers and date codes on every item you mentioned plus more. All the part/casting numbers are correct and the date codes precede the 3C build date by a few weeks to a month. Even the pump to carb fuel line bracket has the GM part number on it. At some point there seems to be a substantial leap forward in value for the ultra-original cars, as seen with the 27 mile LS6 for 400K. Those cars are beyond numbers matching. Not to suggest that this car is worth anything close to what that LS6 appears to be worth. However, this car appears to be almost a duplicate of the car in Forest Green. Every bite as nice. I only use that car as a comparison because from what I've read on this site that appears to be a benchmark car. The trunks look identical. At this point I'm just trying to determine how original the car really is. At this level of verification I run short on specific information rather quickly. Your offer of help is appreciated and needed. I'll post some pictures as soon as I have them.

I agree with Charlie that a bench seat column shift is a minus but may be somewhat over come by originality. It didn't seem to hurt the 27 mile LS6

Also, The car has Ivory interior not Black. With the white stripes, even on a green car it looks damn good.

Thanks
Rick

[Stuart Adams]

Surely your friend knows what he has, unless he has been in a glass bubble. Cool car.

[hvychev]

Why have you not bought it yet! Grab it before someone else does? I am sure that you guys have had to talk price by now.....how much? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[sean70ss]

Rick, I am here in houston, if you need any help let me know I would be more then happy to help you. I just purchased a survivor car LS6 and it is very rare so I could give you indicator of its value. Thanks Sean http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

1970 LS6 survivor 1 of 1
1969 copo super stock camaro (Vitar Car) Special Thanks to Clint Richmond
1967 427/435 hp 4 speed vette
1968 ss 396 chevelle
1970 440 six pack triple black 4 speed challenger
1964 plymouth savoy aluminum lightweight "HEMI" super Stocker
1967 outlaw 10.5 camaro 710 bbc 4 stages of NOS http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif
1966 chevy nova 410 sbc turbo motor outlaw 10.5

[Stefano]

How did you get Clint to cut that Vitar COPO Loose? It is one of my favorite COPO Race Cars.

[Charley Lillard]

What is this one of one LS6 car ?

[mmcporter]

Come on man...post the pics...

[TXSS]

Thanks for the offer Sean I may take you up on it.

The only reason this LS6 is not sitting in my shop right now is because when I went to inspect the car the factory documents were not available to be inspected. The current owner keeps all the documentation in a fire proof safe at his office. I can't pull the trigger on buying a car with docs with out seeing the docs first. I'm more worried about the owner deciding, for some reason not to sell than I am someone else getting the car. The car is not actively for sale. However, we have a deal at a given price contingent on the docs checking out. The owner feels like he knows what the car is worth but told me flat out he could get more for the car than the price we agreed on if he wanted to, as he said "put it on the Ebay thing...but I don't want to screw with that." He's totally lost interest in the car, he's moving and just wants it out of the way. I'm more than happy to oblige. Still no pictures however. I could not get in touch with him today and he can't figure out how to email the pictures he has. So I'm stuck with no pictures until I actually do the deal tomorrow around 1:00pm. So one more sleepless night before I can relax. I will post pictures on this site ASAP so I can learn just how original this LS6 is....or is not.

Thanks for all the help

Rick

[Xplantdad]

Hey Rick...Good luck tomorrow! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[TXSS]

Thanks X

I hope I've done my homework and don't have to rely on luck. But a little bit never hurts.

I think I may go http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif before tomorrow afternoon

Rick

[sean70ss]

Stepahno, I traded Clint another significant super stock copo camaro as a partial trade for the VITAR car he had some tears when it left but he was really happy it was coming to a good home! Sean

[Belair62]

I love that Vitar car...very cool...as long as he got something to fill the hole and play with he'll get over it. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif

[sean70ss]

I will be bringing her to scr 8 to kick some butt LOL!!!

Sean http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[Belair62]

Sneak it in with Deuce stripes !!

[TXSS]

I finally got the LS6 home and snapped a few quick shots before it started to rain. Not as high res as I would have like. Sorry if I posted too many pictures. Any comments are greatly appreciated

Thanks
Rick

http://katyclassiccars.com/LS6/Ex1.jpg
http://katyclassiccars.com/LS6/Ex2.jpg
http://katyclassiccars.com/LS6/Ex3.jpg
http://katyclassiccars.com/LS6/Ex4.jpg
http://katyclassiccars.com/LS6/inter.jpg
http://katyclassiccars.com/LS6/back.jpg
http://katyclassiccars.com/LS6/cluster.jpg
http://katyclassiccars.com/LS6/trunk.jpg
http://katyclassiccars.com/LS6/engin1.jpg
http://katyclassiccars.com/LS6/engin2.jpg
http://katyclassiccars.com/LS6/engin3.jpg

[Mr70]

Congrats she's Gorgeous! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif
Dealer added P/S mirror,missing Manifold pull hook.
Looks like someone resprayed the block recently,but still a Beauty.And she's a Rocker Moulding Car too,or did someone add those?
NICE!

[camarojoe]

Awesome condition... don't touch a thing! Neat to see what they really looked like when new. Congratulations, it looks like a super find.

[GM-26]

Beautiful car! Those H-70's are tall!
http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[Xplantdad]

Very Nice car, Rick...congratulations!

Now you can have a good nights sleep!

[Charley Lillard]

Wow..Congrats.. I like that better than the red one.

[hvychev]

Wow......

More pics! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif

[BBIGG BLOCK 396]

Very Nice car,congratulations.Im all for more pics to.

Bobby Dodson

[TXSS]

Thanks for the positive comments. I think the cars is pretty darn original. One of the top painters in Houston came over this evening and showed me exactly what had been re-touched and what was original paint. The car has about 90% of it's original lacquer paint. I'm just blown away at the condition of the paint.

The block looks better in the pictures, but it may have been painted at some point. Nether of the previous owners, would admit to having painted the block and both told me the engine had never been out of the car. However, they kept every item ever taken off the car. I mean I got a box full of original parts. All bagged and labeled. Rotor, coil, Packard plug wires, spark plugs, every gasket ever taken off the car, wheel well molding screws, dist points cover, dist cap, hood insulation the list goes on and on. The car has a oil service sticker on the drivers door jam dated 5.27.70. May be from it's 1st oil change considering it's a 3C build date. I'll try to post some pictures of the undercarriage tomorrow.

Thanks
Rick http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[TXSS]

This is last three pictures I have until I take some high res.

Thanks
Rick
http://katyclassiccars.com/LS6/engin4.jpg
http://katyclassiccars.com/LS6/front.jpg
http://katyclassiccars.com/LS6/back1.jpg

[427TJ]

Those big'ol H70s really look good on there.

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif (Two thumbs up.)

[SS427]

Rick,
Outstanding car. Contrats on your purchase. Some very interesting items on the car and great for comparing to. As was said before, now get some sleep! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif
Rick

A gorgeous car..you have to love Forest Green with contrasting interior..:) It looks like a really neat find. Glad to see such an original car that has been preserved well. Now go drive it some..:)

[olredalert]

Rick,

------Im interested in weather the sport wheel was on the car originally. I would have added it as well as I love them but just wonder if the original owner was savvy enough to order it new.
------You have a beautiful LS6 with the purchase of this car. It isnt often you see original untouched plastic inner-fenders. I love that, as well as the yellowed interior pieces, really. Sort of gives the car that original patina. please dont change those out as they are part of the history of this exceptionally well kept car......Bill S

[firstgenaddict]

Very Very Nice!
Love the original cars as well.

[MYSTERYCHEVELLE]

Very nice http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif

[69RSZ]

nice car,good to see that there are still some nice cars out there to find.enjoy it and drive it.Ron http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[mmcporter]

Rick--it looks great. Enjoy your new find. Forrest Green LS6 Survivors Rule!!!!!!!! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/burnout.gif

Morris

[Bill Pritchard]

Hmmmmm...looks like we may be finding out "What's it Worth"....

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayIS...930182&rd=1 (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=6164&item=45549301 82&rd=1)

[Stuart Adams]

WOW, already. Wonder what the previous owner thinks, not that it matters - just curious...

[Hotrodpaul]

I saw this car several weeks ago at the Sams Club parking lot get-together and it was very nice. That solid lifter cam sounded sweet and the paint looked flawless. The owner was looking for 150-160K for the car I believe.

Paul
69 SS Camaro L78

[Bill Pritchard]

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I saw this car several weeks ago at the Sams Club parking lot .... The owner was looking for 150-160K

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Was that the discounted Sams Club price?? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/haha.gif

It is a really nice car, but if he gets 160k for it I think it will cause a lot of people (certainly myself) to rethink LS6's...

[Hotrodpaul]

A car is worth what someone is willing to pay. This is an original unrestored rare low mile musclecar, I wish I had the money to buy it. There are a lot of big time invertors out there looking for a place to put their money, unfortunately, musclecars seem to be a popular place these days.

Paul

[mike s]

i like the car aswell and its a special peice but not worth 150-175 to me, but neither was that black 19k mile 4spd car and i think it got around 150k nor is that red car also on ebay with a bid at 225k just my 2cents

[Late BrakeU2]

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"A car is worth what someone is willing to pay. This is an original unrestored rare low mile musclecar, I wish I had the money to buy it. There are a lot of big time invertors out there looking for a place to put their money, unfortunately, musclecars seem to be a popular place these days."

Affirmative,no different that stocks and just as manipulated.I love the internet for the info gleaned,hate it for what it's contributed to the valuation of these cars..double edged sword no doubt.Wish I was financially solvent twenty years ago when these were traded amongst true collectors,now they're just trinkets for microsoft trust fund babies.

I can respect those who's income is dependent on flipping these,but admire people like Greg who's selective about the future of his historic car-and chooses not to diminish it's pedigree and add to it's owner total on the ebay shell game.

JMHO

[sean70ss]

I dont feel the LS6 cars are up there yet they are cool and I have had a few but the mopar stuff is way ahead and the LS6 cars are not a copo or a yenko but in the previous post he is right that someone will pay for what they want I know I have. Kind of strange he finds a great deal and asks all kinds of questions and now its worth 160K??? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif sean

[ohhawk]

Appears to be a very rare offering and as previously noted some interesting items including those rocker moldings. No disrespect intended but some of the pictures make some of the stripes look like decals especially on the deck.

What's it worth is being redefined daily in this market at least for the time being. Speaking of Chevelles, check out ebay item #4553464263 (auction ending soon). Reserve not yet met and car has no documentation.

[GM-26]

Here it is...
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=4553464263

[sean70ss]

I dont think you can really consider ebay a market indicator there is alot of up bidding on those auctions. Most of the "real" cars are sold in private. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gifSean

[Belair62]

Agree Sean...

[TXSS]

No offense taken but just to set the record straight on couple of items.

Know one has heard me say this car is worth 150 or 160 or 170K. Because I don't know what the car is worth. There was a lot of discussion that night at Sam's and on this site as to what the car may be worth. I've been asking more questions about it's value than answering questions about it's value. I appreciate all the input I've received from members of this site and feel I have a better understanding now than I did three weeks ago. But, the reserve set on this car is nowhere near 160K. I put a lot of thought into what would be a fair price for this car and I think I'm close. But, the only way to know is to put it out there and find out.

Late BrakeU2 I can assure you my motives for selling the car have nothing to do with income dependency or Microsoft trust fund babies. The fact is I'm just not the right collector for this car. I knew that soon after I bought it. It's just to original, to nice and to low a mileage for me to enjoy driving and I like to drive my cars. But, I wasn't going to let it sit in a barn for another 6 years. I paid the previous owner his asking price with no negotiation. If there's money to be made I make no apologies. I don't know any member of this site that feels they should sell a car for less than fair market value to be considered a legitimate collector. That's all I expect for this car. Also, suggesting that putting a car on ebay somehow diminish it's pedigree I think gives ebay more importance then it deserves. Ebays just a tool to get 10,000 people in 7 days to look at a car you have for sale. I doubt this car will sell on ebay. But I bet it sells to someone that saw it on ebay or this site.

No big deal just wanted to clarify a couple of things and put in my .02 http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

[sean70ss]

Actually it does deminish its pedigree on ebay. Especially when no reserve has been meant for a car that has been put up reaptedly over and over. It makes alot of the bidders wonder why it will not sell. I know I have been through it. There have been several that have been for sale on ebay and "I" think it is just to pump the cars up like I said most of the real cars are sold in private. The best thing to do is come up with a number and post it makes things alot more simple. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/burnout.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/burnout.gifSean

[PPPJJJFFF]

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Actually it does deminish its pedigree on ebay. Especially when no reserve has been meant for a car that has been put up reaptedly over and over. It makes alot of the bidders wonder why it will not sell. I know I have been through it. There have been several that have been for sale on ebay and "I" think it is just to pump the cars up like I said most of the real cars are sold in private. The best thing to do is come up with a number and post it makes things alot more simple. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/burnout.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/burnout.gifSean

[/ QUOTE ] Ebay is one place where I will not buy a car. I just don't trust the bidding system. If theirs bidding for a car, I want to see the hands being raised. This is a very nice car. However, I just don't understand why some (not the seller in the case), refer to these cars as "Rare Muscle Cars". Theirs really nothing rare about LS6 Chevelles, as nice as they are. However this one does qualify as "Rare". Just my 2 pennies. Patrick

[Belair62]

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Ebays just a tool to get 10,000 people in 7 days to look at a car you have for sale.

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This is how I view cars on E Bay...good advertising is all.

[SamLBInj]

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Ebays just a tool to get 10,000 people in 7 days to look at a car you have for sale.

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This is how I view cars on E Bay...good advertising is all.

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Manipulation is a better word. Its almost like the old stock market pump and dump. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif Very easy for dealers to create an inflated market with artificial bidding. If you watch you will see the same cars over and over again. Id like to know how many really get sold. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/hmmm.gif

[camaromb]

Is it unusual to have an LS6 motor not match the protect-o-plate on original cars? It appears that the motor on this car is --12CRR but the protect-o-plate is T0210CRR. I've heard this is not unusual on some cars. Mis-typed protect-o-plates?
Mark

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Sean

Just curious, how does putting a car on ebay that has never been offered for sale on the internet diminish it's value? I don't see it any different than Hemmings, Autotrader or any venue for selling a car. I agree If a car lives on any venue for months and month and months it brings a lot of questions to mind. But being listed one time, I don't see it having any more neg. effect than having it on any other site or in any other publication. Plus, I don't know of anything that happens on ebay that forces a potential buyer to pay more for a car than they are willing to pay. People just need to take ebay with a grain of salt and for what it is a medium for displaying cars for sale nothing more. JMO

Rick

[budnate]

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Sean

Just curious, how does putting a car on ebay that has never been offered for sale on the internet diminish it's value? I don't see it any different than Hemmings, Autotrader or any venue for selling a car. I agree If a car lives on any venue for months and month and months it brings a lot of questions to mind. But being listed one time, I don't see it having any more neg. effect than having it on any other site or in any other publication. Plus, I don't know of anything that happens on ebay that forces a potential buyer to pay more for a car than they are willing to pay. People just need to take ebay with a grain of salt and for what it is a medium for displaying cars for sale nothing more. JMO

Rick

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"People just need to take ebay with a grain of salt and for what it is a medium for displaying cars for sale nothing more."

nicely said Rick, there are many buyers that do not know there way around the net but they know how to type in "e bay", car may not sell at auction but it will put serious buyers in touch with a seller then they can go from there if they like.

Bud

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Mark

Actually the protect-o-plate has the data for a CRE 350/300hp TH-350 El Camino, the next car in line. It's weird. But this is the POP that came with this car. As you can see it's stamped into the LS6's build sheet.

Rick

[ktownkid]

Rick..........that 70 BB Nova was just beautiful.......your Chevelle is fantastic......I can't wait to see what's next...!!!!
WOW.........
ktownkid

[PPPJJJFFF]

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Ebays just a tool to get 10,000 people in 7 days to look at a car you have for sale.

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This is how I view cars on E Bay...good advertising is all.

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Manipulation is a better word. Its almost like the old stock market pump and dump. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif Very easy for dealers to create an inflated market with artificial bidding. If you watch you will see the same cars over and over again. Id like to know how many really get sold. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/hmmm.gif

[/ QUOTE ] My thoughts exactly Sam. Lets get the friends and relatives to bid just below the set reserve. That being said. It doesn't change the fact that this is one of the most interesting LS6 Chevelles on the market today. I just feel with other venues their is a price listed. Transperancy works for me. Patrick

[sean70ss]

Rick, To answer your question my post was not directed at you or your car. It was at ebay I "feel" it can hurt a car when it has been advertised over and over which "your" car has not been. I hope you get a million bucks for it!!! Is what I am saying I have known of cars that have been bid on and they never come near there market value so it diminshes the value in alot peoples mind because it did not hit reserve. I tell you what send me your cash price and I might buy it!! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/3gears.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/3gears.gifSean

[Lynn]

Everyone is entitled to his or her opinion. Including me, so here's mine:

1. Rick bought the car. He can sell it any time and in way he wishes. Can't imagine why anyone would give a rat's a$$ that he decided to sell it, regardless of the reason, which may be personal. Although, no one came out and said it, the underlying current of some of the posts seems to be that he is some kind of whore for deciding to sell the car, and even more so for using ebay.

2. Ebay is a great place to get the car "out there". It may also sell on ebay, in which case, Rick saved a lot of marketing expenses.

3. 1970 LS6 cars are awesome. Highest advertised HP ever offered by GM, which makes it a benchmark car. No, it is not a COPO. However, the LS6 is what I would consider the continuation of the L72 in 1969. My guess is, that without the 69 L72 COPO cars, the LS6 would have never made it to market. Who cares if you could get it as a RPO? Would an 1969 L72 Camaro or Chevelle be any less of a car if it had become available RPO before the end of the year? While it may have affected the "collectiblity" aspect, the car would be the same.

4. Great score Rick. Good luck with the sale.

JMO. Don't mean to offend anyone.

Lynn Bilodeau

[ORIGLS6]

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I've heard this is not unusual on some cars. Mis-typed protect-o-plates?

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True. They misspelled my last name! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/scholar.gif

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Patrick

Thanks for your comments about the Chevelle.

It doesn't matter to me if a seller bids up his car or not. I already know what I'm willing to pay and if the seller bids it up above that price the jokes on them. I consider ebay bids as a "floating asking price" always subject to change.

In this case my goal is to sell the car. So, any serious buyer who has/is willing to simply pick up the phone and call me, engage in minimal conversation about the car and is willing to exchange names and Tel numbers can find out my reserve by just asking. There's no reason to play some guessing game about the reserve price of the car. However, I do ask them to agree not to post it on the internet as that would negate any benefits a true auction has. IMO there are some benefits. It's those guys that send you an email that says "how much" I don't even respond to. They're just doing research. I've had 5 emails asking if I'd take in the 30's, 11 from people asking if the car has A/C and one from a guy asking if I'd repaint it red. Some ebayers just don't need to know what my asking price is.

Thanks again
Rick

[rubbinisracing]

I don't know why I'm doing this, I usually like to sit on the side and watch a good ol "wrastlin match" but you Boys have drawn me offsides.

I've purchased 17 cars in the last 8 months.

5 of the cars were on E-bay. 4 of those were bought before the auction ended. The other was bought with a high bid of $ 222,100 sniped in at the last second after the car had reached the reserve. I'm dang happy about E-bay and the exposure it brings to cars. I've seen the same car on there many times, some I've even had deals on only to have the seller crawfish on me.

I've bought 6 cars at auction. All of those cars were "Hammer Sold. Some of those cars and others I didn't buy, I've had the owner or a friend of his bid against me.

I've bought 6 six cars from individuals with some of those represented by dealers. 2 of those individuals raised the selling price after comparison shopping even with deals already agreed to, one already had the funds deposited in his account.

The long and short of it is: You are all right! You can be manipulated many ways and by many means! Your choice is to sit on the sidelines because the rules aren't fair or to get in the game and show others how to play fair.

Lynn, You got it right! Especially about the underlying tone of some of the post.

The open exchange of opinions is great! Lets try and think about the other guy and the real reason we make the post!

Sorry about my rant. Sermon Over!

[Belair62]

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These are the type of jackasses you have to walk away from...worst kind. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbsdown.gif

[SamLBInj]

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These are the type of jackasses you have to walk away from...worst kind. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbsdown.gif

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Got that right, A deal is a deal.

[LS6 RAT]

Lynn:
The L-72 didn't have anything to do with the LS-6's introduction. It was part of GM's pecking order. The LS-7 was scheduled to be the 1970 replacement for the L-88 of the previous year. This would have put the Corvettes engine line-up as follows LS-7 465hp, LS-6 450hp, LS-5 390hp. At the last minute because of the deproliferation program to weed out costly low volume options, the LS-7 option was cancelled. This left the engineers with little time to emission certify the LS-6 combinations for the y-body (Corvette) and so for the 1ST time in Corvette history, this model was not the "king of the hill". This is why the '70 Chevelle SS LS-6 came with the special low rise intake manifold. This manifold was necessary for hood clearance in the 1970 Corvette, as 'marketing and styling' did not like the unsightly previous cowl inducted hood styling that was necessary for the high rise manifold used on the L-88's and ZL-1's of the previous year. They felt it ruined the lines of the car. That is why the LS-6 has that particular intake manifold. With the L-72 style intake on this engine, it would certainly be thee strongest street engine EVER!

[Lynn]

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Howard, would you like to adopt me?

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Lynn

[PPPJJJFFF]

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Lynn:
The L-72 didn't have anything to do with the LS-6's introduction. It was part of GM's pecking order. The LS-7 was scheduled to be the 1970 replacement for the L-88 of the previous year. This would have put the Corvettes engine line-up as follows LS-7 465hp, LS-6 450hp, LS-5 390hp. At the last minute because of the deproliferation program to weed out costly low volume options, the LS-7 option was cancelled. This left the engineers with little time to emission certify the LS-6 combinations for the y-body (Corvette) and so for the 1ST time in Corvette history, this model was not the "king of the hill". This is why the '70 Chevelle SS LS-6 came with the special low rise intake manifold. This manifold was necessary for hood clearance in the 1970 Corvette, as 'marketing and styling' did not like the unsightly previous cowl inducted hood styling that was necessary for the high rise manifold used on the L-88's and ZL-1's of the previous year. They felt it ruined the lines of the car. That is why the LS-6 has that particular intake manifold. With the L-72 style intake on this engine, it would certainly be thee strongest street engine EVER!

[/ QUOTE ] What do you mean when you say "Strongest Street Engine Ever"? Horsepower, Torque or what. Just curious. Patrick