Clarification on Dick Harrell 69 Camaro's

[nuch_ss396]

Hi everyone!

On the SCR5 reunion link here, I've seen a Harrell 69
Camaro that is dark green with a white ZL/2 hood ( raised
section )and a strange rear spoiler. Can any members shed
light on exactly what this car is? Is it a COPO, ZL-1, or
a dealer modified iron block 427 conversion? Also, were
there more than one of this type of conversion? Seems I
saw some banter back-and-forth last year about this special
rear spoiler regarding either an ebay auction or direct
sale to possibly a member here. I'd like to know more
about the Dick Harrell conversions. I know of the Funny
cars & ZL-1's, but I didn't know they did 427 conversions.

Any info on this specific car would be appreciated. I
believe Bill Ogle owns ( or did own ) it. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif
Thanks,
Steve

[Chevy454]

That car was restored by the Super Car Workshop, who has restored more Harrell cars than anyone else in the world...bkhpah, what's the scoop on Ogle's car?

Also, Steve, there's another gentleman around here that owns a '69 Harrell Camaro, that is similarly equipped as Ogle's...maybe he can jump in and help as well!

[nuch_ss396]

Thanks Rob.

[bkhpah]

The car was a Fathom Green/light green interior COPO 06A build date. The car was a Bill Allen sold car. It is one of a group of three others that we know of. It was a Turbo 400 on the column. It had many interesting items installed by the crew at Harrells shop. This car had the American racing rear wing, one of he more interesting items I have ever seen. Also had a Sun tach on the dash top and special rear spring clips and Harrell badging. It still retained its original drivetrain. One of my favorite cars of all time we have done, and one of the most difficult to restore...BKH

[nuch_ss396]

Thanks for jumping in Brian. Can you tell me more about
the other two DH Camaro's? Did they have the same rear
wing, or the std. rear wing? Also, are these three cars
you referenced COPO 427 ( iron block ) conversions? Do any
other DH 427 69 Camaro conversions still exist or are any
unaccounted for?

Lastly, why was this car so difficult to restore?

Thanks again,
Steve

[hvychev]

bkh, was there paper or vintage pics of this car to support the wing? Also what wheels was it delivered with? Cragers like most Harrell cars? BTW I remember when you guys unveiled that car at Vette Fest a few years ago and how cool I thought it was! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif

[SuperNovaSS]

I sold one a while back. It was an iron head L-88 conversion. No spoiler, X66 car.


Jason

[bkhpah]

The car had a ton of documents and pictures of the car from new. The wing was installed on two of the three COPO Harrell Camaros we know of at this time. The Green interior was hard to get right. Somebody had changed it all to black. Small items like seat belts, shift lever, kick panels, steering wheel, even coat hooks were hard to find. Correct vintage speed parts are hard as well. Cragars are only one wheel of many that Harrell offered. Joes old DH Chevelle had A/P mags and that is what we used on the DH Camaro, a vintage set, not repos. I have never yet seen a DH Camaro with factory spoilers in 1969. The other two O6A COPO's are alive and well. One Rally Green the other Glacier Blue. Both are autos. Harrell seemed to sell more autos than 4 speeds...BKH

[Bill Pritchard]

In the fall of 1972 I had the opportunity to buy a Cortez silver DH 69 Camaro. I had no idea what a DH Camaro was. It had that same wing on it, and I disliked it. It, too, was an original TH400 car, and I was looking for a 4 speed car. I took a pass on it http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif

[SS427]

Brian,
Is the Glacier Blue/blue interior car that you know of the same one that is here in the upper Midwest that is currently painted black?
Rick

[nuch_ss396]

Bill, thanks for responding.

Any idea where that car is today? Is it possibly one of
the three that Brian mentioned earlier? Did it have the
column shifter? Lastly, was it a 427 (L/72), 427 (L-88),
etc.? I actually didn't know they did L-88 conversions.
Steve

[bkhpah]

Yes, it is currently black, Kevin S has the other car in that group. There may be other COPO's, but I have not seen any more. The Silver car sounds like a COPO car also. The earlier 69's were SS convereted cars..BKH

[nuch_ss396]

Brian,

How early is "earlier"? Specifically, the approximate
build date(s).

Steve

[GRT69]

Good morning,

I currently own the Glacier Blue (currently black) DH COPO with the blue interior. The car had a wing at one time. This is evidenced by the four welded over holes on either side of the trunk lid and a photo that was sent to me from Howard Martin who purchased the car in 1971. This is one of the three COPOS that Dick Harrell purchased through Bill Allen Chev. Bill Ogle has one and Kevin Suydam has the third one. After owning the car for four years, I still do not know everything about the car but am willing to share what I do know.

[nuch_ss396]

Thanks John !

I certainly want to know all that I can about these DH cars.

Have-at-it! Steve

[nuch_ss396]

John, one other question for you. How badly do you want to
find one of those original wings?

Steve

[GRT69]

Hi Steve,

I am not a restoration expert but I spoke to one that is. Brian and I talked recently and I asked him to put my car in his restoration pipeline. It seems to me that an original wing would be a postive addition but I would defer that answer to Brian. You apparently know the location of one. There were probably only a handful made, I would be extremely interested in how you located one.

John

[sYc]

John, cool car.. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif and no better shop to do the restoration then the SCW. I would wager they have restored more DH cars then all other shops combined, making them the leading authority on steel bodied DH cars. Hopefully as it awaits its turn in the pipeline we will see it a few shows.

[bkhpah]

An original wing with the mounting brackets are hard to come by. There were two sizes available. The smaller one was used on the Camaros. I don't have the sizes handy, but I can get them. The early date cars I have seen are January 1st week. There may be earlier ones than that though....BKH

[Pantera]

How about a pic of this wing for those of us that have no idea what one looks like? Sounds interesting...!

Thanks
Pantera

[camarojoe]

Not the best shot of the wing, but you can get the idea til someone posts a better one. http://www.yenko.net/reunion/Bo02.jpg

[firstgenaddict]

Looks like one of those Aluminum wings on the ricers!

[55chevy]

Swiped this one from the photo gallery.. Which one is this? Is it still around? http://www.yenko.net/attachments/139446-134625-allenharrell.jpg

[firstgenaddict]

I really like the 1/4 stripes that Harrel put on the cars.
Like SS's Dark Green 70 Camaro and on Howie's 70 Camaro.

[nuch_ss396]

Brian,

Can you get the wing sizes and some better, more detailed
pictures of one of these wings? Possibly from one of the
restorations you did? I'd love to know more.

By the way John, before you beat my door down, I don't have
the wing you are looking for. I was merely commenting that
if your car originally had one, you must be hot-to-trot for
one, these days. I'd love to get one myself though.

As I mentioned in my initial thread, I seem to remember a
discussion either here, the CRG, or elsewhere regarding the
recent purchase of one of these original wings.
Does anyone else remember this? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif

Steve

[GRT69]

Ed,

That is my DH COPO in 1971. (the car is now black and wingless)

John

[55chevy]

[ QUOTE ]
Ed,

That is my DH COPO in 1971. (the car is now black and wingless)

John

[/ QUOTE ]

very cool.. I'd definitly put it back to the way it came from Harrell. It looked mean http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif

[DarrenX33]

John I thought that vintage picture of you car was so cool when I first saw it. Unfortunately no one wanted to talk about it where it was originally posted. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif

Anyway, were you aware of this photo or was this also the first time you saw it posted from Howard? Do you have any others of the car from back then?

Again, very cool car and very happy to see you here. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[55chevy]

Yeah John. Lets see more pics of your car. Then and now http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif

[GRT69]

I do have additional photos of the car as it is now and I will find them and scan them in. When I spoke to Howard, he said that is the only photo he could find of the car back when. My intentions are to restore the car just as Howards photo looks

[nuch_ss396]

John,

I just want to give you my humble opinion here.

I have to say that if that is the way your car came from
DH, you need to put it back the exact same color scheme.
That car looks so awesome that way. I can't say I ever
saw that paint scheme before. Was it stock?

Steve

[JChlupsa]

will it be done by SCR8 http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

[DarrenX33]

[ QUOTE ]
I can't say I ever
saw that paint scheme before. Was it stock?

[/ QUOTE ]

Exactly one of the questions I had asked and never got an answer to. You will notice that the hood and side stripe is nearly the exact same scheme as on Steve Sandlin's original paint 70 DH Camaro. It was previously stated from a reliable source that because of the spoiler this car was probably a late August 69 car. Maybe this was the only 69 to get this paint scheme? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif
http://www.yenko.net/reunion/SCR7999996.JPG

[GRT69]

The paint color (Glacier Blue) is the stock color as verified by the trim tag. My intentions (with Brian's help) is to restore the car exactly as the photo shows. The car will not be ready for SCR8, in fact the restoration will even be started. Regardless, I believe I will bring the car to SCR8. The car does not show very well but my car (as well as all of your cars) is an important part of our hobby and the public should be allowed to experience that. I am also looking forward to meeting all of you.

[DarrenX33]

[ QUOTE ]
car does not show very well

[/ QUOTE ]

Shame on you John. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

Watch how big of a crowd you draw if you bring it. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[JChlupsa]

[ QUOTE ]
the car does not show very well

[/ QUOTE ]

Only type of car that does not show well is the one thats not brought. By all means bring it and enjoy the weekend with the best of the best in cars and friends.

[nuch_ss396]

OK,

Silly question time!

Where and when will the next Super Car Reunion be held?
Who can attend? Room availability? I want to see this
DH Camaro in person.

Steve

[Charley Lillard]

http://www.yenko.net/reunion/2005reunion.htm

[Jeff Murphy]

Here's a better one http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

http://www.yenko.net/attachments/139495-Harrell-Camaro-%2303.jpg

[Jeff Murphy]

Another angle

http://www.yenko.net/attachments/139496-Harrell-Camaro-%2302.jpg

[Jeff Murphy]

Last one. A little blurry of the wing itself, but perhaps still useful.

http://www.yenko.net/attachments/139498-Harrell-Camaro-%2304.jpg

[Mr70]

http://www.adage.com/century/graphics/campaign_nike.gif

[nuch_ss396]

Jeff,

Great images! I thought the wing was partially cast.
Have to rethink that thought process - huh? How heavy????
Looks like a sheet metal wonder from your shots. Which
DH car were these taken from? Where was that show?

John's original Glacier Blue w/black wing scheme looks
great! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif However, this chrome plate wing really gets
your attention, doesn't it? Lastly, the chrome plating on
the DH emblems throws me for a loop. I thought they were
brushed aluminum, not chrome plated. What a great topic
this has turned out to be.

Are any of these DH cars going to be at the reunion?

Steve

[sYc]

From what I am hearing there will be several DH cars at SCR8. 8-10, maybe more. Very well could be the largest gathering of DH cars ever. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/flag.gif

And rumor has it, several will be racing on Friday. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/3gears.gif

[nuch_ss396]

Count me in !!!!!!!

Steve

[nuch_ss396]

Who restored the Green DH Camaro in Jeff's postings? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif
I'd like to know more about those DH chrome plated emblems.

Steve

[DarrenX33]

Look no further! Supercar Workshop (http://www.yenko.net/super_car__workshop.htm)

[nuch_ss396]

Hey Brian,

Can you elaborate on the use of the chrome plated DH
emblems on the Fathom Green Camaro with the chromed wing?
The other DH emblems I've seen as well as the one I own
are brushed aluminum. What's the story here? Were these
originally chromed? I'm confused. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif

Steve

[bkhpah]

The emblems are exact to the ones on the car when new, Bill had tons of pictures. The wing is aluminum and is rivited together. We took the wing apart and polished it. I don't think a day went by after the car was done we didn't polish the wing. It looked cool as can be in person. I on the other hand have never seen a brushed looking DH emblem. As far as I can tell only the late 69 cars had them. The early cars used a trophy style plate rivited to the body...BKH

[Chevy454]

[ QUOTE ]
Which DH car were these taken from? Where was that show?

[/ QUOTE ]
Those AWESOME pictures Jeff posted are from Bill Ogle's DH Camaro, which was talked about earlier in the thread...and they were taken while the car was at SCR5 (http://www.yenko.net/reunion/2002reunion.htm)...

[hvychev]

Man Jeff those pictures look GREAT!! You do a really good job! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/worship.gif

I just printed a few off the cd the other day and they look so perfect they almost look fake! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif

[camarojoe]

I have a couple original DH emblems, they are chrome plated. I have never seen a brushed aluminum one... are you sure its not just worn?... or is a brushed aluminum one something else I need to start digging for? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

[Chevy454]

Here's a terrible picture of one of our original DH emblems...
http://www.yenko.net/attachments/135824-dh-3.JPG

And then a picture of an original emblem Howie has...
http://www.yenko.net/attachments/136292-DHEMBKH.jpg

Looks like chrome plated to me! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[55chevy]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
I can't say I ever
saw that paint scheme before. Was it stock?

[/ QUOTE ]

Exactly one of the questions I had asked and never got an answer to. You will notice that the hood and side stripe is nearly the exact same scheme as on Steve Sandlin's original paint 70 DH Camaro. It was previously stated from a reliable source that because of the spoiler this car was probably a late August 69 car. Maybe this was the only 69 to get this paint scheme? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif
http://www.yenko.net/reunion/SCR7999996.JPG

[/ QUOTE ]

My guess is that is Dick Harrells signature paint scheme.. The same stripe was on the DH Vega too as well as many of his race cars.

[YENKO DEUCE REGISTRY]

DH Vega pic

http://www.charlesgilchrist.com/GPC/DR/Street/DHVega7201.jpg

[camarojoe]

Marlin, you sure thats a DH Vega and not just a stripe styled after a DH one? I think I have a pic of the same car and could find no Dick Harrell markings on the car anywhere, just the familiar DH stripe layout.

[YENKO DEUCE REGISTRY]

I'm not sure, just think it's a cool pic!

[Mr70]

I agree http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif
And it shouldn't be kept behind the curtain.
http://www.charlesgilchrist.com/GPC/DR/Street/DHVega7201.jpg

[camarojoe]

[ QUOTE ]
I'm not sure, just think it's a cool pic!

[/ QUOTE ]

No doubt. It very well COULD be a DH car, I just don't know...it would be cool to have more background info on it...wonder if it's still out there? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/flag.gif

[68l30]

I have another pic of this car with the KH Strippers on the front.....I believe the DH Vega is/was yellow.I always felt this car was a DH Vega.... http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif


Steve

[camarojoe]

With Kelsey Strippers on it, it would be more convincing as a DH car, and i would have to say I agree Steve, it probably is a DH car. Not too many people ran those at the drags besides Harrell. Now slot mags, thats a different story!

[hvychev]

Cool ad out of the 1971 AHRA Drag Racing Rules and Tech Manual hand book.

[hvychev]

Just a cool ad on the back cover of the manual.

[nuch_ss396]

Joe,

In response to your question about the DH emblem, I got one
two weeks ago through ebay that appears to be new. I was
told buy the seller that these are exactly the way they
were done back in the day. I think it came from DH itself.

I can assure my emblem is brushed aluminum and not polished
at all. So, I'm confused now. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif
Steve

[Chevy454]

Nuch: not sure if you saw the post, but I posted pictures of 2 different *original* DH emblems on page 3, and they are most definitely chrome...http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[LVCamaro]

The emblems on the 69 are supposed to be chrome with a textured blue background. They are made out of a cast pot aluminum and the posts on the back are very fragile. There is a difference from the ones that I've seen re-popped.

SS

[Kim_Howie]

The repops sold have a period on the end of Dick's name also the red and white is WRONG Kim Howie http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/worship.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/flag.gif

[Kim_Howie]

The repops are all red on the bottom and the REAL ones were, red,white,red,white,red,white PERIOD!!!!!!!!!!!

[LVCamaro]

some were even burgandy, purple, burgandy, purple, burgandy, purple http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[Kim_Howie]

So I am color BLIND!!! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/worship.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/bs.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/haha.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/haha.gif

[Kim_Howie]

In fact I think STEVIE WONDER could make better repop!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[nuch_ss396]

Hi Rob,

I did see your images - THANKS! That leads me to my state
of confusion. The emblem I bought is definitely brushed
aluminum ( not chrome ) and it also does not follow the
color scheme of those on your images. I don't know how to
post an image, so here is the ebay item #: 7974399171

I bought the same emblem off ebay two weeks ago. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif

Steve

[Chevy454]

Go back up to my last post, and read the posts that follow (pay particular attention tothe posts by LVCamaro and Kim Howie)...they will clear up any confusion...http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[nuch_ss396]

Rob,

I understood your point. Let me clarify a little.

The emblem I got evidently came from DH via. ebay. They
informed me that the emblem is exactly as they were "back
in the day". Two men say they're Jesus, one of them must
be wrong! I'll go with your posted images. I think I got
an incorrect repop. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/no.gif

Steve

[Belair62]

You did... http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbsdown.gif

[JChlupsa]

THE GOOD!!
http://www.yenko.net/attachments/136292-DHEMBKH.jpg

THE BAD!!! Letter font is different as well.
http://www.yenko.net/attachments/139902-31_12_b.jpg

and the Ugly but still GOOD !!!! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

http://www.yenko.net/attachments/135824-dh-3.JPG

[Kim_Howie]

The blue has wrinkle finish on, it as you can see on the used one. Kim

[Belair62]

Doesn't look like wrinkle...looks like the metal is textured...

[nuch_ss396]

Jeff,

Your pictoral presentation says it all! My emblem is way
off!!! Guess I go back to the beginning looking for an
original emblem - huh? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif

Could I convince one of you guys to lend me an original
emblem so I can perform a 3D laser scan on it to capture
the actual geometry? Please??? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/worship.gif

Steve

[LVCamaro]

Is that a "period" at the end of HARRELL, or some feeble attempt at the "trademark" logo? Nobody trying to clone the Dick Harrell crest would be silly enough to put a "period" at the end...would they??? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif

nuch...I doubt anyone here would be interested in supplying you, or anyone else, a REAL DH crest/badge for your 3D laser copy effort. The DH crest/badge is a propriatary product, to my understanding, and trademark infringement is serious business. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/scholar.gif

SS

[68l30]

A little late BUT.......Here is the suspect Vega in the summer of 71 with the K-H Strippers. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif


Steve

[Chevy454]

12.70 dial...cool...http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/burnout.gif

[resto4u]

Look at the R's, dead giveaway!

[camarojoe]

Cool pic Steve.. thanks for sharing! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[55chevy]

some forget so soon........ Here is a thread on the Harrell Vega in question from awhile back.. I posted all the photos I had of it there. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/119258/an/0/page/0#119258 Definitely a DH Vega.

[55chevy]

[ QUOTE ]
Is that a "period" at the end of HARRELL, or some feeble attempt at the "trademark" logo? Nobody trying to clone the Dick Harrell crest would be silly enough to put a "period" at the end...would they??? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif
nuch...I doubt anyone here would be interested in supplying you, or anyone else, a REAL DH crest/badge for your 3D laser copy effort. The DH crest/badge is a propriatary product, to my understanding, and trademark infringement is serious business. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/scholar.gif

SS

[/ QUOTE ]

The Ebay auction for this incorrect repop emblem seems to actually be the Harrell family selling them??? http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7974399171

Look close at the fonts on the original to repop.. the "A" and "R" are clearly way off. I guess the repop is good enough for a clone though..

[Charley Lillard]

You guys must be wrong. Don't trust your eyes. You weren't even there.."back in the day"...

[nuch_ss396]

Steve,

The "period" is actually a "registered" mark ( R in circle )
but it is tough to see.

Steve

[nuch_ss396]

Steve,

To your response about the "proprietary" nature of the
original emblems, I don't disagree. However, I want to
make it clear that I have no intention of marketing any
such item even if I did recreat it. I merely want an
exact emblem for my collection. When I got the emblem
off ebay, and learned that it came from the Harrell family
itself, I expected it to be correct. I was, and am somewhat
disappointed in the "incorrectness" of the emblem. My many
thanks to you guys for helping me realize this. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/worship.gif

Steve

[LVCamaro]

No worries, Steve, I wasn't trying to be the DH emblem cop...I just know that, according to public filings, DH and Gibb copyrights/trademarks are an issue of some sensitive debate presently. One thing I am sure of though...there is only one Jesus. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

SS

[Kim_Howie]

Speaking of Trademarks!! Type in 'us patent office' then go to " us Patents & trademarks" then on the left side under Trademarks ,click Trademark Search, Under "select the search form" click New user form search{basic} Then Type in fred gibb and hit "submit query" open both items & read them. WOW

[427TJ]

I suppose Mrs. Gibb agreed to that.

"It's not personal Sonny, it's strictly business."

-Micheal Corleone (Al Pacino) to his older brother Sonny (James Caan) in The Godfather.

[Kim_Howie]

Helen, Knew nothing about it!!!!!!!!! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif

[nuch_ss396]

I looked at the Trademark information on file - thanks.

I assume Helen is Mrs. Gibb. If so, how could Valerie get
ownership of this without her knowledge? Doesn't make any
sense. All things being equal. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif

Steve

[Kim_Howie]

Steve, I assume I could Trademark your name. Yenko's name was trademark by somebody in Texas years ago. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif

[nuch_ss396]

Why would the Yenko organization allow that and not sue
the offending party into the stone age? Or, did they?

Steve

[Kim_Howie]

That I don't know about. Kim

[Kim_Howie]

I have tried to post both items,could sombody do that. I can't figure it out. Kim

[LT1_CRAZY]

<font color="red"> Word Mark FRED GIBB </font>
Goods and Services IC 016. US 002 005 022 023 029 037 038 050. G &amp; S: <font color="red"> POSTERS, DECALS, STICKERS AND PHOTOGRAPHS </font> . FIRST USE: 20040106. FIRST USE IN COMMERCE: 20040106
IC 025. US 022 039. G &amp; S: CLOTHING, NAMELY T-SHIRTS, CAPS, SHIRTS, JACKETS, AND SWEATSHIRTS. FIRST USE: 20040106. FIRST USE IN COMMERCE: 20040106

Mark Drawing Code (3) DESIGN PLUS WORDS, LETTERS, AND/OR NUMBERS
Design Search Code 240102 241301 260721 261302 270301
Serial Number 78578775
<font color="red"> Filing Date March 2, 2005 </font>
Current Filing Basis 1A
Original Filing Basis 1A
<font color="red"> Owner (APPLICANT) HARRELL, VALERIE J. </font> INDIVIDUAL UNITED STATES 13820 POLK STREET SYLMAR CALIFORNIA 913421714
Description of Mark The mark consists of THE WORDS "FRED GIBB" IN OLD ENGLISH SCRIPT ON AN OBLONG TEXT BOX SUPERIMPOSED OVER A CHEVRON HAVING THREE CROSSES ABOVE THE LETTERING AND VERTICAL STRIPES BENEATH.
Type of Mark TRADEMARK
Register PRINCIPAL
Live/Dead Indicator LIVE

[LT1_CRAZY]

<font color="red"> Word Mark FRED GIBB </font>
Goods and Services IC 028. US 022 023 038 050. G &amp; S: MEMORABILIA, NAMELY TOY MODEL AUTOMOBILES AND REPLICAS OF RACING VEHICLES
IC 041. US 100 101 107. G &amp; S: ENTERTAINMENT SERVICES, <font color="red"> NAMELY, ORGANIZING AND CONDUCTING AUTOMOBILE EXHIBITIONS AND DISPLAYS </font>

Mark Drawing Code (3) DESIGN PLUS WORDS, LETTERS, AND/OR NUMBERS
Design Search Code 240102 261302
Serial Number 78577804
<font color="red"> Filing Date March 1, 2005 </font>
Current Filing Basis 1B
Original Filing Basis 1B
<font color="red"> Owner (APPLICANT) HARRELL, VALERIE J. </font> INDIVIDUAL UNITED STATES 13820 POLK STREET SYLMAR CALIFORNIA 913421714
Description of Mark The mark consists of THE WORDS "FRED GIBB" IN OLD ENGLISH SCRIPT ON AN OBLONG TEXT BOX SUPERIMPOSED OVER A CHEVRON HAVING THREE CROSSES ABOVE THE LETTERING AND VERTICAL STRIPES BENEATH.
Type of Mark TRADEMARK. SERVICE MARK
Register PRINCIPAL
Live/Dead Indicator LIVE

[DarrenX33]

Is is possible that Dick created the "Fred Gibb" crest for use on the cars?

[Kim_Howie]

Darren, I think Yenko did them first and ask Harrell not to use it. That was on here months ago. Kim

[DarrenX33]

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif Ok I was snoozin'.

[Kim_Howie]

Wake up http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/headbang.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/haha.gif

[sYc]

[ QUOTE ]
Why would the Yenko organization allow that and not sue
the offending party into the stone age? Or, did they?

Steve

[/ QUOTE ]

They did not pursue it, and really had no grounds to do so. After selling the dealership in 1982, and then Don's untimely death in '87, no one kept the mark up. They could have done this one of two ways, either by using it in commerce on a regular basis, or renew the original registration.

[budnate]

[ QUOTE ]
<font color="red"> Word Mark FRED GIBB </font>
Goods and Services IC 016. US 002 005 022 023 029 037 038 050. G &amp; S: <font color="red"> POSTERS, DECALS, STICKERS AND PHOTOGRAPHS </font> . FIRST USE: 20040106. FIRST USE IN COMMERCE: 20040106
IC 025. US 022 039. G &amp; S: CLOTHING, NAMELY T-SHIRTS, CAPS, SHIRTS, JACKETS, AND SWEATSHIRTS. FIRST USE: 20040106. FIRST USE IN COMMERCE: 20040106

Mark Drawing Code (3) DESIGN PLUS WORDS, LETTERS, AND/OR NUMBERS
Design Search Code 240102 241301 260721 261302 270301
Serial Number 78578775
<font color="red"> Filing Date March 2, 2005 </font>
Current Filing Basis 1A
Original Filing Basis 1A
<font color="red"> Owner (APPLICANT) HARRELL, VALERIE J. </font> INDIVIDUAL UNITED STATES 13820 POLK STREET SYLMAR CALIFORNIA 913421714
Description of Mark The mark consists of THE WORDS "FRED GIBB" IN OLD ENGLISH SCRIPT ON AN OBLONG TEXT BOX SUPERIMPOSED OVER A CHEVRON HAVING THREE CROSSES ABOVE THE LETTERING AND VERTICAL STRIPES BENEATH.
Type of Mark TRADEMARK
Register PRINCIPAL
Live/Dead Indicator LIVE

[/ QUOTE ]

I know about zippo on the subject, but I recall reading awhile back maybe on the DH page and Valerie was having a problem with Helen taking sole credit for Fred about how things went down long ago...if I read the dates right this was just done???

Just guessing here but this may be fallout from that conversation the girls had.

Bud.

[Kim_Howie]

I think that talk was several years ago.

[budnate]

[ QUOTE ]
I think that talk was several years ago.

[/ QUOTE ]

Kim, I had to go check and make sure my memory was working right this is the post I read last summer..and you are correct she says it was a conversation they had awhile ago. The bottom paragraph is what I recalled reading.


General / Discussion / THE EVOLUTION OF THE ZL-1 CARS Jul 7th, 2004, 9:29pm
Started by TimLopataForgeShow | Post by valerieharrell
Dearest Jimmy,
Thank you for stepping up to the plate and straightening out this ZL1 issue! Also, you are more than welcome to be as long winded as you want! You may even have to post two or more posts to get all the facts written. For those who may or may not know what this is all about, there are some extremely slanted stories that are being quoted by certain individuals that are being written by a few well known car magazines. I will scan and post those articles.

In the meantime, the DHPC guys who have the grease under their fingernails from turning the wrenches on the ZL1 cars ARE still alive, mean and lean, with minds as sharp as ever. And I am certain that they will be commenting on this subject.

Mostly, I am very thankful the most of DH guys who are registered on this site, who have computers and that Jimmy Elgan, and the rest (Dave Libby, Glenn Powell, Larry Leatherman, etc) have stepped up to correct the slanted stories that are being published by Primedia and Buckaroo Communications &amp; other mags. The next best thing would be to contact the person who is rewriting history, i.e., the publisher, &amp; editors of the magazines for a retraction, just like I am attempting to do myself.

Then per a conversation I had with Helen Gibb over a year and a half ago.....I called her after 33 years after Dad's death (I thought I was doing a good thing by finding her phone number &amp; wish her a Merry Christmas), "Valerie, just so you know, your father only put a few parts on those cars, Freddie did all the rest." Well, to say the least I was so hurt and speechless. Dad DID teach me to NOT disrespect my elders....and certainly the elderly. I politely ended the conversation and went on my Merry Christmas way. However, I have to say that I was deeply hurt &amp; sadden ..... and certain that Dad would be upside down right now if he knew that he only put on a few parts. It's a real shame because Fred Gibb was a TRUE gentleman and Fred &amp; my father had great business partnership. If not for the Dick Harrell crew, DHPC and Dick Harrell, no one would have ever heard or known of that little Chevrolet dealership in LaHarpe.

[nuch_ss396]

Guys!

How did we digress from the original subject matter? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif

I guess I started it with my questions/comments about the
DH emblem I recently purchased. Seems I even got an email
from DHPC inviting me to return the emblem for a refund.
I was trying to learn more from this gathering of friendly
and knowledgeable people about the "reality" of the whole
DH thing, not bash anybody. If anyone got their feelings
hurt, I am sorry for that. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif

I hope this topic can continue on the opening questions I
had about the DH 69 Camaros. This has been quite an
informative topic thus far. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

Steve

[55chevy]

Yeah, lets see more pics of '69 DH Camaros and leave the drama out of it.

[nuch_ss396]

Jason,

I meant to ask you this earlier in the week. Can you tell
me more about the L-88 conversion of your DH Camaro? How
many other DH Camaro's were L-88 conversions? How did it
run as compared to the L-72 conversions? Love to hear more.

Steve http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif

[Kim_Howie]

Budnate, What has happen in the past with Helen Gibb &amp; Valerie I don't know. The reason I bashed the emblem is real simple, my car on the Harrell site has been bashed from the day I put pictures of it up on both sites. I didn't say a word about until they got personal. That's going too far. That's another story. When I saw Valerie had trademarked FRED GIBB's name I started to wondering why? I knew her and Helen didn't see eye to eye. The first trademark is for toys, race cars, shirts etc. Valerie owns her dads 69 funny car and in order to put FRED GIBB on the side of she would need to register the name. The real concern is the second class she has registered. Fred Gibb ,organizing &amp; conducting automobile exhibitions &amp; displays. Why would you want this?? My question is this, is she wanting to take over the Fred Gibb Reunion Car show?? This is my big concern. Kim

[budnate]

Kim I dont know...guess we will have to see what happens down the road...I can see now this is a sore subject with many, I have not followed it closely and now wish I would have just sat on the side and read the posts.

Bud.

[LVCamaro]

That "train" got derailed a few days ago, so now it would appear things could be resolved amicably in a couple weeks, or the hard way in a couple months. This hobby just isn't the right place for head strong egos, lawyers and greed...it's a shame really.

SS