10.97 @127+

[supergonzo]

Wayne Nelson went 10.97 @127+ in his F.A.S.T class L88 Corvette this past weekend at Lebanon Valley Dragway.

This was a great show, although I was one of the only Factory Stockers there running in a class with F.A.S.T cars....geez...boy did I look foolish!!!

[Chevy454]

Hey, the runner-up was a Factory Stock car! After seeing what JJ did to the FAST guys this weekend, I don't feel so bad now about getting blasted by the Silver Bullet down in Commerce!

On Polyglass tires, that is flat haulin' the mail, folks! Congrats, Wayne!! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[retengw31]

Gonzo:

Great numbers by Wayne, and good showing by JJ. He said he thinks he finally had that thing sorted out and was even loaded up and ready to go a week early (had his dates mixed up.

I was supposed to run out there with him, but car was talking to me again, health problems, weather forecast, etc.etc.

Did they run a quick 8 and 2/3 shootouts for the rest or just one bracket/ladder? Did they mix both Factory Stock and F.A.S.T. cars together again?

Great that they got the $1000 from other sources to Wayne anyway even though wasn't it an official Y1 race. Martin should be very interesting on June 17.

Gonna see the yellow Yenko there?

[Chevy454]

From what I'm reading, they did throw the FAST/FS numbers together, then did the quick-8 & 2of3...which explains why JJ was runner up! Yeah, I was under the assumption that this event was eligible for the $1k, but I guess I was mixed up...good to see they made good on it via other acenues.

And unfortunately, "no", the yellow submarine is probably parked until PS @ Stanton...June is my busiest month of the year here at the house (t-ball, summer school, vacation, dad's vacation, birthday's, etc., etc.)...just super hectic here on the homefront. But, I wish y'all luck!

[COPO PETE]

Yes sir.... JJ went a 11.6 at 120mph. Not bad for a certifed stock motor. Impressive that he can run with the unlimited modified boyz!
Quick 8 and the rest were best 2 outta 3.
Peter

[Tim Penton]

Rob, What kind of car does JJ have that went 11.6 @ 120 mph certified stock?

[Chevy454]

'69 L88 Corvette...he's in the left lane below, and that's Wayne's F.A.S.T. Corvette (that went 10.97) in the right lane...

http://www.yenko.net/attachments/141823-23559638-L.JPG

[Chevy454]

Here's another cool shot of the car that I just had to throw in...
http://www.yenko.net/attachments/141827-23560198-L.JPG

[Dave Rifkin]

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Here's another cool shot of the car that I just had to throw in...
http://www.yenko.net/attachments/141827-23560198-L.JPG

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I don't care what anybody says.........'69 'Vettes are the baddest looking 'Vettes out there.

[71-LS6]

In addition to ripping off a few 11.60's, JJ also cut a .000 light in a qualifiying round and another .059 in an elimination round.

[Chevy454]

Pro or sportsman tree, Steve? Either way, that's darn impressive with a 4-speed car on the skinnys...

Rusty said you hauled like 1800 miles one way! You're the man!!

[71-LS6]

Pro tree with .5 light. Yes, I hauled a little over 1500 mi. each way, in addition to me, Wayne Smothers came up from the Tulsa area and I think he pulled 1500 mi. each way also. If you ever thought Okies were a little strange, this should confirm it; Apparently on the way through New York City, Wayne decided to take an auto tour of the Big Apple, this would not be a big deal, except for the fact that he was towing that brand new 69' Super Bee on an open trailer around Times Square on Friday afternoon before the race.

Okies, go figure.

[Xplantdad]

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[retengw31]

I wouldn't try anything like that in Detroit. In fact, I'm not sure you could even make it across Detroit in one piece in a Hummer. Sherman tank, maybe.

Rob:

That pic of the two vettes just has to be on the cover of some magazine. That's awesome.

Pete:

So what's JJ going to build next? I know he was really anxious for this meet. He called me a full week early when he got his dates mixed up and was all loaded up and waiting for me.

[Donny Brass]

Man, I can't wait to see these cars in person on Friday http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

[Chevy454]

Hey, good luck Donny...hope the new gears are worth the trouble... http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif

[Big Squeeze]

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......Yes, I hauled a little over 1500 mi. each way, in addition to me, Wayne Smothers came up from the Tulsa area and I think he pulled 1500 mi. each way also. If you ever thought Okies were a little strange, this should confirm it; Apparently on the way through New York City, Wayne decided to take an auto tour of the Big Apple, this would not be a big deal, except for the fact that he was towing that brand new 69' Super Bee on an open trailer around Times Square on Friday afternoon before the race.

Okies, go figure.

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Hey! I'm not a real Okie, my family moved there when I was 8 years old! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/haha.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif
Wayne

[Donny Brass]

Well, Wayne backed up hit 10.97 with a 10.99 ad collected the Year One money......

Terry Pennington won the FAST over Wayne in the finals, and it was Jimmy Johnson over COPO Pete in the F/S finals...

[Chevy454]

Nice...congrats to Wayne for taking home the cash, congrats to Big Dog for taking the win, and congrats to the Canuck gang for the 1-2 finish in Factory Stock!

Oh, and congrats to the rest of you hosers, too... http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif

[JLerum]

I see that SuperBees are going 12.08 at 113 now days. What gives? I wonder when the powers that be will step in and say enough is enough? Pure Stockers at 12.08 and the FAST guys can't even get them to go that fast! This may be the beginning of the end to anything close to the real deal! I'm waiting for even some of the MOPAR guys to scream foul but I may be holding my breath for a long time. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/no.gif

JIM

[71-LS6]

I heard about the 12.08 timeslip and wondered a little myself. What were the 60' , 330' , & 1/8th mile times? The best time I've beat out of my Hemi Challenger has been 11.95 / 121 mph. That was with a 3850lb, 4spd car, making 667 hp at the crank. My heater, wipers, and all four 11" drum brakes, were on the car, and in working order.
I am not as surprised with the L88 vettes though, the pure stock rules were not written for them, but they may as well have been. Wayne Nelson and I, discussed at length, the advantages of L88/L89 and even LS6 Vettes in FAST racing. The advantages are obvious and too numerous to list. Unless someone offers a $50K purse for the winner of a FAST event, I'll just keep on doing the Don Quioxte routine with my fat elephant.

[JLerum]

I didn't make it to eather race so I'm not sure what he accomplished in the 60/330/660. That car does stick like glue and it is pulling down the numbers. I guess running cam lobes that measure properlly at .050 are allowed. For some reason I thought the cams were to be stock. As good as the old LS-6 cams are I think their is something a little better that has come around in the last 40 years. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif

Jim

[Casey Marks]

'71 LS-6 Vette ........ a lad can only dream ........

[Hemi_Joel]

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I see that SuperBees are going 12.08 at 113 now days. What gives? I wonder when the powers that be will step in and say enough is enough? ....JIM

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Jim, the operators of the PSMCDR have developed a "Certification" program to make sure that the cars meet their standards for "pure stock". They tear apart and inspect parts of the motor, and go over the car with a fine tooth comb. Jim Spetzmans 12.08 Super Bee, (and Jimmy Johnstone's Vette) are both Certified Stock. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/worship.gif

[JLerum]

I know what you mean Joel. The rules say they are only certified for the race of the certification. I'm sure Jim will certify this year but when the closed valve spring pressure requires HUGE valve pressures to keep the valve tran under control I'm miffed. I can see that I brought a knife to a gun fight. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/hmmm.gif

Jim

My oversight on where this was going! (camshaft rules)

[Chevy454]

Just went and re-read the rules posted over at the PSMCDR site...not sure if this is a new addition, but here's what it says under camshaft... http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

"In order to pass Certification, we will also be requiring that camshafts have correct intake and exhaust duration. We will be checking your camshaft's duration at .050" lift. This is to prevent the engines from being over-cammed, but more importantly, from being under-cammed! If you have a question about you cam's duration, please call ASAP!"

[JLerum]

The way I read it and how I think Dan looks at it is you can run anything beyond .050. So on a LS-6 cam if the the cam runs 242 degrees at .050 you can make it lift as fast as possible after that. Let the lobe slam the valve down as quickly as possible at the back side of .050 measuremant but to end up with 242. Again what ever is under the curve is above the .050 mark is legal.

Use your imagination if you want. You could run a launcher lobe just like the circle track guys that have lift rules. After the cam runs a certain RPM the lifter jumps the lobe to be caught on the back side of the ramp. You could run a cam .035 bigger than what is leagel and also run a duration that could never be measured by standard rules. All you would need to run is spring pressure and piston clearance that would allow clearance http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif.

JIM

[Big Squeeze]

[ QUOTE ]
I see that SuperBees are going 12.08 at 113 now days. What gives? I wonder when the powers that be will step in and say enough is enough? Pure Stockers at 12.08 and the FAST guys can't even get them to go that fast! This may be the beginning of the end to anything close to the real deal! I'm waiting for even some of the MOPAR guys to scream foul but I may be holding my breath for a long time. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/no.gif

JIM

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I'm sure that you're talking about the R4 Six Pack Bee that I raced in F.A.S.T. up at Musclepalooza. Let me say, that, the car that I raced is actually a lot closer to Pure Stock than F.A.S.T. I built that car before F.A.S.T. and the Pure Stock Events were around, so I built it my way. It's a .030 over, measured 11.9 to 1, 440 with a flat top piston .010 out of the hole, it's got a small solid cam from Straightline, roller rockers, the heads are stock with just gasket matching, and the intake is gasket matched. It has absolutely nothing trick. Up in New York, with non treated tires http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif , it ran 13.0's @ 108. I brought it back and ran it here with the dumps opened up and on a set of worn out BFG Drag Radials on a cold track, it ran high 12.20's @ 112.9, so I know that it's time for some better mufflers than the Turbo's that are on it. My times are fairly comparable to the 12.0 Bee, although mine won't pass Certification, so I'm sure that if I had built my engine specifically for Pure Stock and I did some creative interpritation of the rules, it would run similar numbers. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

Check out the attached pic!

Wayne

[Seattle Sam]

Yow! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif

http://www.yenko.net/attachments/146739-main6pk.jpg

In yer driveway??

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[Belair62]

Jeez thats some srious air ! What the hell you got in that trunk !!!

[Donny Brass]

Not what, who !!! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/no.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/no.gif

[55chevy]

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Hey! I'm not a real Okie, my family moved there when I was 8 years old! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/haha.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif
Wayne

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Cool...http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif I'm not the only Owasso transplant who's not a real Okie.
though I'm starting to see a pattern of us out of state Owasso guys doing stuff to our driveways http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif

http://www.yenko.net/attachments/146868-driveway.JPG

[Chevy454]

Hey Squeeze...ever had that thing across a set of certified scales?

[Big Squeeze]

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Jeez thats some srious air ! What the hell you got in that trunk !!!

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A good friend of mine is a commercial artist.......he did the touch up work.......notice the wrinkles in the tires, the black marks, the tire haze in the back ground! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif

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Hey Squeeze...ever had that thing across a set of certified scales?

[/ QUOTE ]

At Tulsa International Raceway it weighs 3,920LBS with me in it, and I'm about 190LBS. Manual steering, manual brakes, bench seat 4 speed....nothing trick or lightweight.

Hey, Ed Gilpin, Do I know you? Your name sounds familiar to me. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif My Dad is Eddie at Eddie's Transmissions...Have you ever seen me driving any of my cars around? I take it that you have '55 Chevy? What color?

Wayne Smothers

[Chevy454]

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At Tulsa International Raceway it weighs 3,920LBS with me in it, and I'm about 190LBS. Manual steering, manual brakes, bench seat 4 speed....nothing trick or lightweight.

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Hmmm...

[Big Squeeze]

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Hmmm...

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Is that good, or bad? If I remember right, that was with an almost full tank of gas. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

Wayne

[55chevy]

[quote
Hey, Ed Gilpin, Do I know you? Your name sounds familiar to me. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif My Dad is Eddie at Eddie's Transmissions...Have you ever seen me driving any of my cars around? I take it that you have '55 Chevy? What color?

Wayne Smothers

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Hey Wayne. No, I don't believe we've met. Supprised I haven't seen your Bee around either. This is such a small town (right now). Wish I did, but a 55 Chevy gasser is just my future dream car http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif This is all I have right now http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif
http://www.yenko.net/attachments/146932-DSC04230.JPG
I sold my '04 GTO last fall. But not before breaking it in real well http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gifhttp://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif

I'll keep an eye out for ya and give you a hard time if I see that crazy Mopar out here http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[bogusracer]

[ QUOTE ]
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I see that SuperBees are going 12.08 at 113 now days. What gives? I wonder when the powers that be will step in and say enough is enough? ....JIM

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Jim, the operators of the PSMCDR have developed a "Certification" program to make sure that the cars meet their standards for "pure stock". They tear apart and inspect parts of the motor, and go over the car with a fine tooth comb. Jim Spetzmans 12.08 Super Bee, (and Jimmy Johnstone's Vette) are both Certified Stock. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/worship.gif

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Joel -

Those are both "Great Times" for those 2 cars !!!! Both JJ & Jim have a lot to be Proud of.

However, I think the Key words for those 2 cars (and any others out there) should be "Certified 2004 PSMCDR"

Unfortunately JJ wasn't able to run last year due to an engine problem that required him to go back through the motor to correct, which would negate the "Certification" for his car (per the PSMCDR Rules). I'm pretty sure JJ will want to "Certify" his car again just to quiet the "Nay-Sayer's" who always scream about how a car can't go that fast and be "Certified Stock"

As for Spetzman's car it was "Certified" last year and will probably be "Certified " again this year to validate it too is Legal under the PSMCDR "Certified" guidelines.

Having been fortunate enough to have my '63 Max Wedge car qualify as the low qualifier last year in 2004 at the PSMCDR, I was very happy, especially since it had "Certified" the previous year at the 2003 PSMCDR.(I hadn't made any changes to the car from the previous year other than re-lashing the valves and changing oil.) The engine was still sealed up with the Paint marks from the previous years certification (2003).

It was however, pointed out to me at the 2004 PSMCDR that my car wasn't Certified for that event (the 2004 PSMCDR) and couldn't be considered a "Certified Stock" car since the Certification was only good for the race it was Certified for. (per the rules of the PSMCDR). So I'll be Certifying my '63 Max Wedge car this year (2005) to quiet the "Nay-Sayer's" and remove any doubts about the Legality of my car. That seems to me to be a small price to pay to eliminate any "questions" about my car. I think that's what really motivates all the guys who do take the time & effort to "Certify" a car.

Knowing both JJ & Jim Spetzman personally, I have NO DOUBTS that both of their cars are legitimate "Certified Stock" cars per the rules of the PSMCDR. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

I look forward once again to the Fun and camraderie that exists at the PSMCDR from all competitors, regardless of what brand car they race. It's just a Great Event to go to and Test your Driving and Tuning Skills in a format that is Fun and creates a "Laid Back" type competition. So I encourage everyone to go and join in the fun. Once you do it you'll be hooked!!!

Looking forward to seeing everyone there!!!


Jeff Peterson - aka: Bogusracer

[YENKO DEUCE REGISTRY]

What's this scoop on a change to the cam certification?

[sYc]

Not for sure if the term "Pure Stock", or "factory stock" really fits any more, since even certified cars are allowed to use the NHRA (not factory) engine specs, plus h-pipes, lite batteries, special radio/heater delete plates and now even non-factory profile cams. Really, about the only difference between PS and Fast is a cubic inch limit in PS. What once was a fun event where the majority of the cars were very close to the way they were driven off of the show room floor, this is no longer true. As the rules continue to deviate from factory specs, will be interesting to see what kind of effect it has on the number of cars participating.

[JChlupsa]

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special radio/heater delete plates

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Hope cars useing those are Pre-69 since Fed Regulations call for Heater/Defrosters in cars after the 68 Model Year.

[John Brown]

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Hope cars useing those are Pre-69 since Fed Regulations call for Heater/Defrosters in cars after the 68 Model Year.

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Even in the Islands? I've seen a few auctions from Hawaii with all three pieces for 69 Camaros.

[JChlupsa]

Know of both with/without that were sold new here.

[Donny Brass]

[ QUOTE ]
Not for sure if the term "Pure Stock", or "factory stock" really fits any more, since even certified cars are allowed to use the NHRA (not factory) engine specs, plus h-pipes, lite batteries, special radio/heater delete plates and now even non-factory profile cams. Really, about the only difference between PS and Fast is a cubic inch limit in PS. What once was a fun event where the majority of the cars were very close to the way they were driven off of the show room floor, this is no longer true. As the rules continue to deviate from factory specs, will be interesting to see what kind of effect it has on the number of cars participating.

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Tom, there was a lively discussion about this at the v8buick site not long ago:

http://www.v8buick.com/showthread.php?t=68090