1970 RS-Z/28 for sale

[70-SS/RS-L78]

Hear is a nice looking Mulsane Blue with Blue Deluxe interior that is nicely documented.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayIS...p;category=6161 (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=4554812432&catego ry=6161)

[DarrenX33]

Those are my kinda colors. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif

[Lynn]

Love the split bumper
Love the small spoiler
Love the black stripes
Love the no console look
But... where is the CAUTION - FAN sticker?

[COPO]

That is the first time that I have seen a POP with the "B" for the M-21 listed. Has anyone seen that before?

[70 copo]

The Vin Certification Label is survivor grade. The rest of the car is driver all the way.

Nice colors however. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif

Phil

[Mr70]

I've seen some of these with the "B" M-21 trans.
Nice looking Car!

[COPO427]

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But... where is the CAUTION - FAN sticker?

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Never came on a 70 Z28.

[COPO427]

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I've seen some of these with the "B" M-21 trans.
Nice looking Car!

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P0A03B equates to Muncie, 1970, Jan 03, M21

[COPO427]

The rear deck has been repainted because the stripe width is incorrect. Also the hood stripes should go to the end of the rear hood. More repaints to me. Missing spark plug shields and the obvious AIR pump.

[SamLBInj]

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But... where is the CAUTION - FAN sticker?

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Never came on a 70 Z28.

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I believe this was in reference to all the restored cars getting the FORD caution sticker on them..

[mockingbird812]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v697/mockingbird812/a5_4.jpg

Am a bit out of my territory, but doesn't the '70 Z have a holley 780 cfm carburetor? Therefore, wouldn't the last letter on line 1 of the POP (if read frontwards) be an "H" not a "B"?

Standing by to be educated..... http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

Sam

[ohhawk]

Kind of a "tweener"......keep it as is or probably spend some serious bucks to get it up to a very nice driver status. Shouldn't the front grill be all black in color? Was there such a thing as a "Hurst package" as noted in the ad? How would that appear on a buildsheet? Is that the correct shifter & knob?

Anyone know what the white (black vinyl top) 70Z went for at the recent Mecum auction in IL?

[COPO427]

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http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v697/mockingbird812/a5_4.jpg

Am a bit out of my territory, but doesn't the '70 Z have a holley 780 cfm carburetor? Therefore, wouldn't the last letter on line 1 of the POP (if read frontwards) be an "H" not a "B"?


Standing by to be educated..... http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

Sam

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Sam, Your correct. It should be a H. The 70 Z came with a 780 CFM Holley.

But:
Carburetor type: (H=Holley, R=Rochester,C=Carter, B=Bay City). Don't know what Bay City is.

There was no Hurst option. The shifter was a Hurst. I have a 1970 Order Guide and it shows these options only.
http://ca.geocities.com/[email protected]/options.htm

For a non console car the shifter ball is a 2 piece knob. Top is black with a white shift pattern and chrome bottom. For a console car the knob was chrome with no shift pattern. The shift pattern was on the console.

http://ca.geocities.com/[email protected]/images/2_piece_shifter_knob_top.jpg

http://ca.geocities.com/[email protected]/images/2_piece_shifter_knob_bottom.jpg

The shifter plate on the carpet should be black, not chrome.

[SamLBInj]

Shouldnt the trim tag say Z28? or was that just Norwood cars?

[COPO427]

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Shouldnt the trim tag say Z28? or was that just Norwood cars?

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Just Norwood Z's

and the grille question. The plastic that's square will only be black. The trim is chrome. The same goes for a non RS grille. The original grilles were black plastic all the way through. If you broke a piece off, you would see black and not silver. All grilles ordered from GM parts came silver and would need to be painted black for the Z28. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/scholar.gif

[ohhawk]

I'm learning here as well.....back to the carburetor, in looking at the add'l pix with this ad it shows a closeup of the carb and the numbers seem to be correct for a 780 cfm for that year/model/engine/trans. Are we sure about the protecto plate interpretation.....maybe the dealer simply put the wrong cfm wording in the ad?

COPO427 - should the vertical piece in the center of the grill be the same color as the car?

[COPO427]

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I'm learning here as well.....back to the carburetor, in looking at the add'l pix with this ad it shows a closeup of the carb and the numbers seem to be correct for a 780 cfm for that year/model/engine/trans. Are we sure about the protecto plate interpretation.....maybe the dealer simply put the wrong cfm wording in the ad?

COPO427 - should the vertical piece in the center of the grill be the same color as the car?

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70 Z's were all 780 cfm secondary vacuum carbs. No double pumpers were used on the 70 Z28's. The list and part #'s are correct for a 4-spd 70 Z28. The ad is incorrect on the 850 DP.

The centre of the grille should be body coloured.
See this pic I took at a Camaro show. It's an original owner, original paint low mi 70 Z28. And before it's asked, the front spoiler wasn't available until 1971. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/no.gif

http://ca.geocities.com/[email protected]/gold_01.jpg

[Don_Lightfoot]

Just a note on the POP carb code. The 69 RS/SS I did up years ago was all numbers matching, etc. and the POP was correct except for the carb code. I actually sent a letter to Jerry McNeish with a copy of the POP and he essentially said he has record of an occasional error on those carb codes so it is not out of the question to have a mistake in that area.

[COPO]

Don, did the POP have the "A" "B" or "C" at the end of the trans code designating an M-20, 21, or 22? That is what I think is unusual about this particular POP.

[70 copo]

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And before it's asked, the front spoiler wasn't available until 1971. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/no.gif



Mark,

You are correct - unless the 1970 is COPO 9796 and mid June through August build.

Phil http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/burnout.gif

[Don_Lightfoot]

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Don, did the POP have the "A" "B" or "C" at the end of the trans code designating an M-20, 21, or 22? That is what I think is unusual about this particular POP.

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The POP tranny code was correct for the M-20 in the car. The car was a SS-350 and had "C" for carb code, rather than "R", that was what I was questioning.

[ohhawk]

Sorry to drag another question into all this but I have a growing interest in 70Z's I guess......am wondering if the black stripes on this car would be the correct color for this particular car. I looked at the buildsheet but couldn't see anything although not all of the buildsheet is exposed in the pictures. I'm assuming you could get black or white stripes for this blue on blue color combo. Thanks.

[Lynn]

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But... where is the CAUTION - FAN sticker?

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Never came on a 70 Z28.

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It was a joke. Didn't say it was a funny joke. They can't all be gems.

Lynn

[Lynn]

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Sorry to drag another question into all this but I have a growing interest in 70Z's I guess......am wondering if the black stripes on this car would be the correct color for this particular car. I looked at the buildsheet but couldn't see anything although not all of the buildsheet is exposed in the pictures. I'm assuming you could get black or white stripes for this blue on blue color combo. Thanks.

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Ad says "special ordered with the black stripe instead of the white stripe".

Lynn

[ohhawk]

Ad says "special ordered with the black stripe instead of the white stripe".

Lynn

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Understand, but the ad infers the black stripes came with the special Hurst package which COPO427 indicates in an earlier post that no such package exists....plus I don't believe everything just because it is in an ad. Just trying to find out how one verifies this as some data indicates that Norwood built Z's for this year would show stripe colors by their paint code #'s on the trim tag but that Van Nuys built cars did not. Has to be some means that would prove the stripe color I would think. 1970 Chevelle buildsheet would show the stripe color on the buildsheet in one of the boxes (forget which # box). I'm sure the black stripes are probably correct for this car but was just curious how to determine.

[Dave Rifkin]

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I'm learning here as well.....back to the carburetor, in looking at the add'l pix with this ad it shows a closeup of the carb and the numbers seem to be correct for a 780 cfm for that year/model/engine/trans. Are we sure about the protecto plate interpretation.....maybe the dealer simply put the wrong cfm wording in the ad?

COPO427 - should the vertical piece in the center of the grill be the same color as the car?

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70 Z's were all 780 cfm secondary vacuum carbs. No double pumpers were used on the 70 Z28's. The list and part #'s are correct for a 4-spd 70 Z28. The ad is incorrect on the 850 DP.

The centre of the grille should be body coloured.
See this pic I took at a Camaro show. It's an original owner, original paint low mi 70 Z28. And before it's asked, the front spoiler wasn't available until 1971. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/no.gif

http://ca.geocities.com/[email protected]/gold_01.jpg

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I'm no expert here but I don't think the center bar on the RS grille should be body colored. I know you say the Camaro in the picture is original owner, etc. but I have never seen a '70 RS Z with a body colored center bar. To further my point that the pictured Camaro isn't 100% correct; check out the headlight trim pieces. They are blacked out which was not original either so I wouldn't use this car as a refernce point for originality.

[COPO427]

Stripes for code 26 could be ordered white or black, see http://ca.geocities.com/[email protected]/images/doc_colour_and_trim_b.jpg

My POP for my non RS 70 Z28 has a H at the end of my VIN on the first line.
My POP does not specify a A,B or C for M20, M21 or M22. Mine only shows P0E08 which = Muncie, 70, May, 08. And my car is a Norwood car.

[COPO]

1996Z15 is correct that the center bar in between the two grilles on an RS car should not be painted body color. The posted car is not a good reference car for originality in that respect.

My first car was a Hugger Orange w/white stripes '70 RS Z-28, M-22 w/4.10's which I bought in 1980 and still have today. That car was FAST for a highschool kid. Still can't believe my dad let me buy it. I don't think he had any idea what it was as he was driving a VW Beetle at the time.

The early 2nd gen. Z's are now finally getting the respect they deserve in the collector market.

[COPO427]

COPO, your correct on the centre grille. I verified it with my buds on www.nastyz28.com. (http://www.nastyz28.com.)

Black natural rubber. Also the center reinforcing bar component of the grille was a poor grade semi-gloss black.

[92646]

Does anybody remember the "Hurst" package on the 1970 Z/28 camaros? What were the additions made to the car to make it different? I remeber seeing pictures of a yellow car that was on some poster and I think it was used in some of the ads for Classic Industries years ago.
Mark Sheppard

[dinograz]

Here's a webpage on the "Hurst Sunshine Special". http://www.icehouse.net/camaros/hurst.htm

[resto4u]

That car is now in canada. Roger

[COPO427]

The Hurst Camaro was not a GM option. The fasten seat belts light on the dash is not a 1970 item.

[MosportGreen66]

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That car is now in canada. Roger

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Yes! Camaro Heaven in Canada is doing the restoration.