What's the latest on garage floors??

[GRB]

It's time to paint the new floor. Lift is in. My neighbor wants to go in together and get that black & white snap together tile deal. Seems to me it boils down to Rustoleum Epoxy (Lowes has alot of different colors, prep. etc.), Groits or U-Coat-It. Looks like U-Coat-It is the best but may be overpriced. Anybody try the Rustoleum or something else that works well? BTW - the floor is six months old now.

[indyjps]

garagejunkies.net, these guys discuss coatings for pages.

[DarrenX33]

My brother-in-law just finished his garage. He used medium gray POR-15 on the floor. Came out great! You know that stuffs never coming off. I think I will do the same.

[SamLBInj]

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My brother-in-law just finished his garage. He used medium gray POR-15 on the floor. Came out great! You know that stuffs never coming off. I think I will do the same.

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How was it prepped, According to the instructions you 1st have to wash it down with degreaser, then a coat of etching primer, then a coat of sealer primer, then the paint...can you skip a step or two here?

[DarrenX33]

I am thinking that they just washed the floor and dried it well before coating. They decided it would make a great floor coating when my nephew spilled some while using it on his car. They tried everything to get it off. Then the light bulb went on. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/hmmm.gif

I'll double check that prep info for ya.

[SamLBInj]

Thanks, Im also in the process of the garage floor thing..I got 2400 feet to cover..Missing one step will save the back much anguish.. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[MosportGreen66]

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I got 2400 feet to cover

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Wow sam http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/worship.gif Nice Garage!

Darren, where did he purchase the material?

[SamLBInj]

it also has a second floor...and its still to SMALL! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/burnout.gif

[DarrenX33]

We have a local distributor here. The guy also attends VetteFest.

I'll get the skinny on the job. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif

[kwhizz]

Charley.........Care to join in ?????

Ken http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/flag.gif

[92646]

I have been involved in putting car dealerships together for years. We used to epoxy floors and every time there was a problem with the floor covering lifting off the concrete. The manufacturer would say it was because the installer did not prep the floor properly. Moisture would get between the two surfaces and cause bubbles. You may want to consider using tile on the floor. It costs more but we expect to get 25 years out of the floor versus the 5 years we experienced with epoxy. If you do go with epoxy please do not skip any preparation steps because you will have problems later on.

[SamLBInj]

Ceramic tile on a showroom would be fine, but for a garage where you work on cars it would be a nightmare, you would recite every bad word you knew while trying to use a creeper,its slippery when wet, and oil will get in the grout(even if you seal it it still stains), and God Forbid if you ever dropped something somewhat heavy on it.
A working garage floor needs to be stain proof, bullet proof, blood proof, ect. and made easy to wash down and clean up. I have water lines and air lines set up all over for symplicity. The only thing that im regretting not doing was installing hot water baseboard heat in the slab... http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/scholar.gif

[92646]

The picture I attached is a 40 stall Toyota dealership shop with in ground lifts, not a car showroom. We have granite floors in there. We have learned over the years to go with dark grout and let the oil seal it instead of epoxy grout. The tile has a texture to it that makes it less slippery than epoxy floors. The only down side that we have experienced so far is broken tiles because of a tool being dropped or someone using a lift with steel wheels but we replace those tile as they break.

[SamLBInj]

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The picture I attached is a 40 stall Toyota dealership shop with in ground lifts, not a car showroom. We have granite floors in there. We have learned over the years to go with dark grout and let the oil seal it instead of epoxy grout. The tile has a texture to it that makes it less slippery than epoxy floors. The only down side that we have experienced so far is broken tiles because of a tool being dropped or someone using a lift with steel wheels but we replace those tile as they break.

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They call that job security http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif

[GRB]

Now I'm thinking slate may be the way to go. If not, the Lowe's rustoleum has a step where you can seal the floor against moisture. Not sure how that would work or how the epoxy would stick to it.

On a good note, my builder has done the rest of the terrace level in dark slate and he gets a great deal on the stuff. I wonder if there is a non-slippery when wet slate??

[Ngtflyr]

When I build my garage in a couple years one thing I am going to look into is lights built into the floor so I can see what the #@$% I'm doing without dragging lights around. I know they exist, haven't done the research yet though on whats the best out there.

[DarrenX33]

Ok, here is some POR-15 info. You can either scuff/sand the floor or acid etch (muratic acid) it. Make sure your rinse it real well and it is completely dry. POR-15 even makes a marine prep cleaner (apparently recommended for concrete surfaces) that should produce the same or better results. Now for doing an average 3 car garage my brother-in-law used 2 one gallon cans with some to spare. Good for 2 coats. He used 2 throw away paint rollers. Obviously the better quality roller the better it will turn out. Then paint brush the corners. POR-15 is UV sensitive on its own. I was told after a day or two with the garage open the finish sitting in the sun lightened up. If this bothers you they make a clear that the UV won't bother.

[GRB]

This is good info but confusing. I know POR-15 is some of the toughest stuff in the world. Maybe clear would be the way to go. Wonder if it yellow? Could you use it as a top coat sealer? Or would it provide a great waterproof base?

[SamLBInj]

Make sure you dress properly, cant get POR-15 off your skin very easy, Im looking at stains with a clear coat. I coated my floors with a sealer when I built the garage 10 years ago so Im going to acid wash them 1st. If you use stain you have a huge color choice, Hugger Orange with white stripes?..I have my sales reps checking into all of this.

[SamLBInj]

There is some interesting stuff here also..
http://www.amesresearch.com/

[GRB]

That Ames Super Primer should have a lot of uses. I'm building a safe on that level too and if that stuff does what it says it would work perfectly to keep the room dry. With or without a color coat.

[Charley Lillard]

Here is my floor coating coming off today.

[Xplantdad]

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gifWhere are you storing your cars, Charley?

[GRB]

What's going back down Charley?

[Charley Lillard]

I put the cars over in the big shop but the problem is they won't stay clean with all the dirt blowing in off the fields. The new coating will look more like granite.

[Chevy454]

Not trying to sound *smart*, but what was wrong with the old coating?

[Charley Lillard]

The old coating was mixed wrong so the chemicals did not set up right. Stained and tire marked easily. Also the wrong color. Has been one giant headache that seems to never end.

[Chevy454]

That sucks...but hurry and figure it out, so you can tell us how to do ours!

[Charley Lillard]

Don't hire Dumb and Dumber.....

[Chevy454]

Probably easier *said* than *done* here in Hillbillyville! LOL!!

[MikeA]

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Don't hire Dumb and Dumber.....

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Apparently, Dumb and Dumber also does concrete work based on what went on during building my garage!!

[Chevy454]

Glad you mentioned that...anyone offer any advice on concrete pads?

[budnate]

spose its relative to your climate,

for the best job out here we lay out heavy duty plastic on top of the dirt to prevent moisture sweat in the winter, then roto hammer the outside walls and install re-bar through out and tie it all together, then they have some kind of concrete blend that has fibers in it for garages, they turn out good and they never crack or get wet.

next one I do will be painted..they sure look cool painted!!!

[tjs44]

might look at what I used,love it.Not cheap but seems to hold up real well.Tom

[427TJ]

Okay Tom, now you gotta' show us a better picture of that '69 Firebird. Real T/A?

[tjs44]

it is a real 69 T/A with a complete 303 stroker RA V engine.It is in this month Street Thunder mag.Tom

[GRB]

Tjs - what is that?

[tjs44]

its called RACEDECK,they are tiles that snapinto place.Avail in diff colors so you can do your own patern.Do a yahoo search.Tom

[Canucklehead]

It looks like astro turff!, had to look twice to see it's racedeck.

[Mr. T]

How about U coat it? Has anybody used this stuff on garge or shop floors? Postives - Negatives?

[Charley Lillard]

New flake system going down.

[GRB]

Right now U Coat It is #1 on my list. Subject to change.

[dreemz]

Does anyone have any experience with concrete polishing? I hear you get a great shine to the concrete and can even do some custom coloring...

[Xplantdad]

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Does anyone have any experience with concrete polishing? I hear you get a great shine to the concrete and can even do some custom coloring...

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I'm thinking that if you polish concrete...it'll be really slippery with even the slightest bit of moisture... http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif

[Charley Lillard]

first coat done

[Mr. T]

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Right now U Coat It is #1 on my list.

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Does it have a smooth and shiney finish after it dries, or is it kind of rough and dull?

[GRB]

Charley - did you ever say what that stuff is you're putting down? Looks good.

[Mr70]

Now That's a Floor! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif

I thought your earlier Blue color was to loud and detracted attention and focus away from the Cars & Walls.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v665/focusyn82/donut.gif

[Xplantdad]

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Right now U Coat It is #1 on my list.

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Does it have a smooth and shiney finish after it dries, or is it kind of rough and dull?

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Taken from the UCoat It website (http://www.ucoatit.com/)
Lokks like it's pretty shiny...

http://www.ucoatit.com/siteart/colorsel/blackpacificleft.jpg

[Xplantdad]

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first coat done

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Are the same people doing your floor this time Charley...or is it someone different?

[Mr. T]

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Right now U Coat It is #1 on my list.

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Does it have a smooth and shiney finish after it dries, or is it kind of rough and dull?

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Taken from the UCoat It website (http://www.ucoatit.com/)
Lokks like it's pretty shiny...

http://www.ucoatit.com/siteart/colorsel/blackpacificleft.jpg

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Thanks Bruce, and yes, it sure is shiny. Looks good!

[Charley Lillard]

Same people are doing it at their expense. It is called Advanced Coatings.Owned by general polymers, owned by Sherwin Williams or something like that

[Xplantdad]

Is your floor before/after still going in their brochure?

Both floor colors look good from the pictures that you took... http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif

[MikeA]

Charlie,
That's a good looking building. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

[Supercar_Kid]

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Owned by general polymers, owned by Sherwin Williams or something like that

[/ QUOTE ] Kind of like "It's got Sony guts!" http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[SamLBInj]

Hey Charley, they just cover the expansion joints or do they prep them somehow? Looks really good, I may go that way.. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif

[GRB]

Going to Vegas for a week today. Maybe the right floor answer will come to me after a couple Bellagio cocktails!! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[MikeA]

I painted my garage floor last night with Rust-Oleum Epoxy Shield and it looks good. It has a nice gloss finish and so far I am happy with the results. I will let you know how it stands up to the wear and tear. I will start moving my "junk" in this week, finally!

[GRB]

Mike, tell us how you preped it please. I'll read it next week.

BTW - If I hit anything for over $25mil. I'm buying everyone in this thread a muscle car. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[resto4u]

Good luck ray... http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif I will take a 69 yenko chevelle from hults chev. Roger

[JRSully]

For the guy looking to use the U-coat it stuff, read everything on the subject at www.garagejunkies.net (http://www.garagejunkies.net), a lot of negatives about U-Coat It, especially warranty help (supposedly deny everything) If you want to use Rustoleum,use the solvent based' Industrial coating only comes in gray, but A LOT more durable than the water based Home Depot Rustoleum kits. You will have to buy it online. The results are all in the prep, vac floor, wash with detergent, let dry, acid etch (muriatic), scrub and rinse 3 times, let dry and do the finger test ( wipe your finger on prepped concrete) if nothing shows up, start painting!

[Mr70]

Best Of Luck Ray.
http://home.dmv.com/~les/ROLNDICE.GIF

[55chevy]

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BTW - If I hit anything for over $25mil. I'm buying everyone in this thread a muscle car. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

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look look.. I'm in the thread... I'm in the thread!! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

I'll have a '55 Chevy 2 door post please http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif

[Charley Lillard]

Sam..They just vacumn out the joints and then slobber epoxy in them. Here is the finished floor. http://www.yenko.net/attachments/152287-P1010038.JPG

[Charley Lillard]

closeup http://www.yenko.net/attachments/152288-P1010043.JPG

[Charley Lillard]

Cool poster I had mounted on canvas and coated to preserve it and make it look more like a painting. It was two halves that are attached in the middle to measure 4'x 10'. Dated 1966. The canvas is stretched and nailed to a wood frame. http://www.yenko.net/attachments/152292-P1010039.JPG

[YENKO DEUCE REGISTRY]

Where did you get the YENKO neon?

[Charley Lillard]

Dave Steinberg made it for me.

[Pantera]

I had my bodyshop building floor polished when I built it back in 1980. That was before I knew about the epoxy floors that they have today. I must say that it is not a bad choice. Oil will just wipe up and it is easy to wash and sweepup anything.

I think the adition of some color would be a good choice. Just be sure that they are using a higher grade (4500lb) of concrete or it will have too coarse of a finish.

At least you won't have to worry about it peeling off.

For those of you that don't understand what we are talking about if you have ever paid any attention to the floor in hospitals or other public buildings that is high polished concrete.

Pantera

[YENKO DEUCE REGISTRY]

AKA 'terrazzo'?

[camarojoe]

Any Lowes or Homet Depot has a polished concret floor in it also... Looks pretty nice actually, not as nice as a coating, but like you said, no chance of it ever peeling, which IMO, any coating has the potential to do eventually.

[kwhizz]

Wow!!! The floor looks good Charley..........

Ken http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/flag.gif

[Mr70]

Absolutely cool Charley. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif

Now position the 1970 Sports Dept. Signs flo Light bulbs Vertically.

[Belair62]

Terrazzo is not concrete or cement. It is a slurry mix of portland and usually marble chips and after curing it is ground with a floor machine with stones to a high polished finish. Very expensive and a dying trade. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/scholar.gif

[JoeG]

Was a Terrazzo Floor an option on the '70 Deuce--------

[YENKO DEUCE REGISTRY]

I like Terrazzo http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif We installed it once in a hyperbaric chamber at the Travis AFB in CA - the knuckleheads pressurized the chamber before the floor was completely finished and ruined it http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif Nice stuff.

[SamLBInj]

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AKA 'terrazzo'?

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Who's he? Joey (The Fish) Terrazzo, the new Capo for the Corlione family in da Bronx? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif http://www.yenko.net/attachments/152418-214670%7EMarlon-Brando.jpg

[Pantera]

Yeah that was what I was trying to remember the name of. That is what the floor at my home is. It was a converted two car garage into a pool room. I bought the house back in '89 (4800 sf)so cheap. (It has almost one acre on top of a hill, 3 blocks from where the PGA is held here in Tulsa for $190,000) One of the first things I did was convert it back into a garage.


The old bodyshop floor is just polished regular concrete and not near as expensive as the floor at home would cost. It is still a great value and tough as hell.

Pantera

[Pantera]

I think the fact that it is very cost effective and tough as hell makes it a good choice.

Pantera

[Charley Lillard]

much better. http://www.yenko.net/attachments/152908-P1010045.JPG

[Xplantdad]

Looks great Charley...the cars really "pop" with that color!
http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif

[Born30YrsLate]

Nicely done Charley!...you inspire me - super coolhttp://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif

[SamLBInj]

Very Nice Charley, Im going to do mine in the fall, What do you think of this suff for outside around a Pool?

[resto4u]

Looks awesome charley!!! Pic also makes a great background screen for my computer, second best thing to owning those fine rides. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/CharleySucks.gif Roger......... ps. That yenko sign is so bright, is that supercharged. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/haha.gif

[Mr. T]

Roger, you already have a couple fine rides! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif

[Pantera]

You would not want this around a swimming pool. It would be way too slick to walk on with wet feet. The best and ONLY thing you want around a pool is "Kool Deck".

I am in the swimming pool business. So, anyone that is planing on building a pool, please let me know and I will give you a few pointers before you start construction. That way you can be sure that are done at the correct time frame that they need to be done in to have a quality job.


Pantera

[SamLBInj]

You sell this stuff? Whats it cost? and what about prep?

[Pantera]

I can sell you the Kool Deck materials, but the shipping cost is too high for you to save any money. I can arrange for you to pick it up if you want to do a deck around a pool. It is too soft for a garage floor.

Pantera

[GRB]

Looks like I've still got garage floor homework to do.

Pantera - We are building a pool so any suggestions would be appreciated.

Vegas - hit one $5,500 Royal Flush and threw one out due to a brain fart and nearby cleavage. Idiot!! Could have bought a C5R short block with the losses. I'll get 'em next time!

[Mr70]

Did she at least Comp ya? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif http://forum-images.hardware.fr/images/perso/hot%20link.gif

[GRB]

Six nights comped. Expensive free nights though. Dinner at Prime (steaks) too but not much more. Bellagio doesn't comp like they used to. Wynn flopping is not helping the matter. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif

[Charley Lillard]

Wynn is flopping ?

[GRB]

No character. Over-priced everything....even for Wynn. $500 green's fees. Few video poker machines. Not in the middle of the strip.
Oh he's making money, but the property is is not what many people expected. Virtually nobody left Bellagio to work for him. His right-hand man who could make Wynn's ideas a reality stayed with Bellagio. Many people who worked on different stages of the project quit and many more now refuse to work for him again as he designs his new tower.

[Chevy454]

Ok, y'all have had almost a year to digest your floor coating options, and see how they're gonna wear...so let's revisit this, because we have a 6000 sq/ft slab going down any day now! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif

I've seen concrete polishing, concrete staining, all the epoxy coatings...so what do people have, and what's not gonna cost us an arm & leg?

[GRB]

My Lowes epoxy is still down but I'm holding my breath.

[camarojoe]

How 'bout some vinyl compostion tile?

[SS427]

Joe,
Though commonly used, VCT tile is not recommended for garage floor useage. It stains very easily from petroleum based products and subfloor (concrete) staining due to moisture. If insisted upon, a calcium cloride (moisture pressure) test should be performed on the concrete and an epoxy adhesive used. After install, cars should be parked on a (non petroleum based) pad as the tires will leave a stain. VCT uses vinyl in their make up and that is where the problem lies at it is very easily stained. Fritztile makes a tile that is made up of stone, slate, marble, etc chips held together with a resin and is less susceptible to staining (or at least being able to see the stain). http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif
Rick

[budnate]

I like these cool floors but why have they not figured out a product a guy can sweep out the goobers of dirt and bolts and slop some paint all around and have it bite into the concrete and stay...http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif

seems like to much work and dollars and a hail mary for it to stay if you do it in a shop that was really used as such before painting

they have it for rusty steel, slap some Hammerite on and it stays for years with no hassle or sighns of failure...

[Chevy454]

I'm kind of looking at concrete staining now...it actually penetrates the concrete, so if you take a small chip out of the concrete, the remaining hole should be the same color as the rest of the floor...or so they say...http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif

[budnate]

post up what you find,Quick!...I have been thinking heavy on doing the floor at the old shop before I move back in.

[Chevy454]

I'm working on it! I had an outfit over in Springfield quote me $2/sq.ft for them to do it, so I'm pretty certain the DIY'ers like you/I can do it a lot cheaper...supposedly Sherwin-Williams sells the concrete stain/sealer kits, but I'm still trying to confirm that...

[budnate]

light grey??? what color are you leaning towards???

[copo69]

go here, Rob, these guys debate the crap out of floors with its own forum

Garage Junkies Forums (http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/)

[Chevy454]

So, any knew opinions on floors? Our shop is almost done...!