Speed & Supercar - October 1968

[djunod]

The whole article & cover are now in the gallery. Before, I had uploaded an article from a different magazine, but still about the same car.


Cover (http://www.yenko.net/photos/showphoto.php/photo/1149/cat/508/page/1)
Page 39 (http://www.yenko.net/photos/showphoto.php/photo/1168/cat/508/page/1) ... 43 are up there.


Does anybody know what size tires, front & back, are on that car? The article says "super wide L-series Inglewood Indy-style street tires."

[JoeG]

Should be Inglewood Pos-A-Traction --L70-15--In the rear ---J70-14--front------------

[djunod]

Are you sure about the rear? 70 isn't a very wide tire...

[JoeG]

9" rear tire on a 8" rim------That was a gigonda street tire for back then------------

[dreemz]

So Joe, I suspect finding a NOS set of those Inglewood Indy tires would be more difficult than those Mallory 7mm wires? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/haha.gif What in fact would be the most "correct" replacement tire for those?

[JoeG]

I had the Ingelwoods down on my order form, but they were too wide for the '69 Chevelle without drastically pumping up the air bags so the tires would clear,which would destroy traction or do body work, which was done later by Gary---I went for the Prowler Eliminator tire(tall tire) with a red stripe--What's on the car now is ,M/T use to make a tire with a red stripe , that's as close as I could get to a Prowler Eliminator-----

[Pantera]

My 70 came with MT rears and they would/could not hold it straight when I got on it. Some guy in a GTO came up b-side me leaving a drive-in one night and wanted to try me on.

I almost took his Right side off when I hit the next gear as I went by him like he was tied to a tree.


I think one of them is still in the back of the shop. I will give it a look and see what size it was. I am thinking it was a M-50x15. You young guys just have no idea what bias ply tires were like back then. They would not hook up on a car like a radial will now. Remember Joe?


Pantera

[djunod]

I found another article on this car... you won't believe this, it is in a magazine that my Dad bought for me in 1982. It says...

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The car rolls on Inglewood Pos A Traction Red Line tires which aren't even made anymore. Fronts are G70-14, while the rears are L70-15s.

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[55chevy]

well post it man, post it http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif

[djunod]

It has to be the same car, almost every detail is exact, down to the license plate still being there in '82... but one detail that I see that is different is that there is absolutely no mention of the mid-year Corvette side pipes.

http://www.yenko.net/photos/showgallery.php?cat=500&ppuser=582

[427TJ]

The right-rear photo of the car in the 1982 book matches the right-rear photo in the 1968 Speed and Supercar "Mindbender" article. The 1982 issue also had a story written by Joe Oldham, a member of the Cars Magazine staff in the late '60s/early '70s, telling of his '69 B-M Camaro. My take on it is that the guys writing the 1982 special edition, including Oldham, culled the circa '68-'69 Motion Camaro photos from the Cars archives to use as filler for the '82 Camaro special issue. The '68 car with the NY "ML 8907" plates was, as far as I can tell, Joel Rosen's personal car and his demonstrator, as evidenced by several 1968-69 articles on the car. Benny Benzino may well have had a '68 B-M Camaro but I don't think it's the "ML 8907" car seen in the photos in the '82 magazine special. I think the 1982 article's writer (not named in the article) or perhaps the editors took a little artistic license in putting those photos with the story of Benny's Camaro. But that's just my opinion, based on researching magazine articles from the '60s, and I could be wrong. Great stories though!

Compare photo from 1982 magazine:
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a234/BE427TJ/68B-MCamarophoto82.jpg

To the photo from the "Mindbender" article from October '68:
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a234/BE427TJ/MindbenderRearClose.jpg

Note ML 8907 plate.

[Verne_Frantz]

"You young guys just have no idea what bias ply tires were like back then. "

RIGHT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Back then, you actaully had to learn how to DRIVE the car. It wasn't engineered to account for your mindless enjoyment.

[djunod]

There are 3 photos of the ML8907 license plate in the '82 article. So, perhaps the *entire* article is made up, based solely around an ad seen in the Hemmings? It does seem possible, as the text is pretty crazy, about his job, how many gigs he'd have to do to even buy gas at the ridiculous gas prices of '82... very entertaining story.

[55chevy]

David, whats the story on page 39 of that mag?? "Motion Madness" http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif Post that one up too http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif Sounds like a good one from the index page http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/headbang.gif

[djunod]

Sure, just be sure to post some sort of acknowledgement when it's up there... sometimes I feel like I'm talking to myself here http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/hmmm.gif

[55chevy]

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif

[JoeG]

I remember Larry----That's why I had the rear wells flared, to stuff those L60-15s in there ---Could have used Z60-15s--

[Pantera]

I sure remember having to learn to drive it out of the hole like it was on icecubes and then you could finally honk down on it about 50 ft out and it would still run a little sideways all the way down the track. These kids nowadays have no idea what fun they missed back then.

So do you remember ever using ATLAS Bucrons street tires? They had two be one of the best street tires for street drag racing of their time. I ran 950x15's on the back of my 57 chev because I couldn't afford anything else. I had a buddy that worked at a STD OIL station and they sold them to old people with Caddys and when they were getting thin, that is when they worked best for racing.

Pantera http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif

[Supercar_Kid]

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These kids nowadays have no idea what fun they missed back then.

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Apparently we're not entirely too late. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif
http://www.yenko.net/reunion/SCR7999991.JPG

[JoeG]

Glad you guys made it------Almost as much fun the second time around------ http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/burnout.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[hvychev]

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif I can hardley wait for round 2!!! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif

[Motion Camaro]

<font color="blue">My bill of sale shows:
2 Prowler tires (white) http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif </font>

http://www.yenko.net/attachments/151316-baldwinb.ofs.%28Small%29.jpg

[resto4u]

Does anyone have a pic under the hood of the 67 motion rs/ss butternut yellow with black vinyl roof? What brand of line-loc did motion use? Thanks,Roger

[55chevy]

here you go Roger.. did you find it? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

http://www.yenko.net/attachments/151763-File0013.JPG

[55chevy]

http://www.yenko.net/attachments/151764-File0014.JPG

[55chevy]

http://www.yenko.net/attachments/151765-motion3-67.JPG

[resto4u]

here is the line-loc.

[resto4u]

Pic of horn relays mounted on fenderwell for ???

[resto4u]

Pic of tach mounts?

[55chevy]

YOU'RE KIDDING! Post all the pics you can of that car. Whats the story? I'll see what other pics I have of it and try to make them a little clearer. It is yours?
http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif

[resto4u]

Ed, yes i just bought the car. motion car, who knows? But it is still a factory big block car. I have no history on the car yet. I do know the car was raced somewhere. Anyone have a better pic of the under the hood on the driver side fenderwell of the motion rs/ss? I would like to know if this line-loc is period correct for 1967? Roger

[427TJ]

Way to go Roger! You MUST post current photos of the car. So, you gonna' put those big-car SS 3-bar spinners back on??? I dare ya'!

MORE PICTURES. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif

[55chevy]

Roger, you have mail http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif

[427TJ]

He's probably going to get LOTS of mail.